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Posted: 4/16/2022 7:23:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My infantry company was on average 7 inches tall and 15 pounds heavier than the most elite spartan soldiers. We had a better diet, more and better education, knew everything about them, and had guns. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Do you even SPARTA! bro? My infantry company was on average 7 inches tall and 15 pounds heavier than the most elite spartan soldiers. We had a better diet, more and better education, knew everything about them, and had guns. Your comparing apples and microchips. |
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Posted: 4/16/2022 7:23:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: and now the panel is changing Fort Lee’s name we’ll have even better logistics. Fort Harriet Tubman! https://www.ajc.com/news/fort-benning-fort-gordon-and-7-other-bases-to-be-renamed/RHCTOAVY4ZBEFKJIPU5KQDUDCM/?outputType=amphttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/022051C0-5D46-40A5-91CC-56FA724BFD15_jpe-2351510.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The better question is: has any nation produced the quality of logistics that the United States military has? and now the panel is changing Fort Lee’s name we’ll have even better logistics. Fort Harriet Tubman! https://www.ajc.com/news/fort-benning-fort-gordon-and-7-other-bases-to-be-renamed/RHCTOAVY4ZBEFKJIPU5KQDUDCM/?outputType=amphttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/022051C0-5D46-40A5-91CC-56FA724BFD15_jpe-2351510.JPG To be fair, Tubman kinda was a master of logistics smuggling human contraband through a series of interconnected yet independent black markets (no pun intended) while outgunned and with limited supplies… |
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Posted: 4/16/2022 7:24:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you even lose two world wars bro? The horse drawn Wehrmacht that had to use captured tanks and never standardized any vehicles? Yeah, we beat them. Make all the excuses you want for them - we beat them. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: No modern military has, or will, field a military as competent and capable as the German military in the 1930s. The US military derives most of its capability from technology. The horse drawn Wehrmacht that had to use captured tanks and never standardized any vehicles? Yeah, we beat them. Make all the excuses you want for them - we beat them. The Taliban beat two superpowers.  AQ, The various Shia militias…they beat us and now effectively run Iraq. The Communists won in VN… |
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Posted: 4/16/2022 7:24:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And they were defeated by the Thebans at Leuctra. When Sparta tried to rebel against Macedonian rule, they were crushed again. The Greek phalanxs reached their apex under Philip and Alexander only to be defeated by the Roman legions. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Do you even SPARTA! bro? And they were defeated by the Thebans at Leuctra. When Sparta tried to rebel against Macedonian rule, they were crushed again. The Greek phalanxs reached their apex under Philip and Alexander only to be defeated by the Roman legions. All civilizations and their warriors eventually are replaced. What was your point? |
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Posted: 4/16/2022 7:27:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: British infantry has always been pretty good. This. How did you think we learned it? |
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Posted: 4/16/2022 7:34:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The LRSU guy from the '80s? LRS or LRRP something or other? That's too bad. IIRC he had some strange views about airplanes and home schooling, but was entertaining. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Wasn’t there a member here who made a pretty good thread on the infantry? I think it was titled the art of the foot soldier, or something like that. Might not have said who had the best infantry, but more about the art of a foot soldier with history thrown in. Pretty cool thread. The borrowed Valor guy made it. Always had retarded insights into things he didn't understand because he never saw combat and did fuck all during the wars. He made cool BS threads like I do, but tried to debate his betters that actually knew what was up with modern infantry combat. That thread was dumb as fuck. It was 44 pages that boiled down to wear lowas or merrels. @Daemon or @RustedAce know the guy. Claimed to be some Swedish SF sniper dude or some shit. He made a thread about a hat he made that covered up his bald spot and I jerked off to it in the back ground of a porn I was watching and told him about it and he never got back to me because he was a little bitch I assume. The LRSU guy from the '80s? LRS or LRRP something or other? That's too bad. IIRC he had some strange views about airplanes and home schooling, but was entertaining. LRRPF52? |
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Posted: 4/16/2022 7:37:02 PM EDT
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In Asiatic countries, quantity of soldiers is more important than quality.
For example, Russia has lost 20,000 troops in Ukraine. They don't care if they lose 20,000 more. Pass the vodka, comrade! The difficulty in understanding the Russian is that we do not take cognizance of the fact that he is not a European but an Asiatic and therefore thinks deviously. We can no more understand a Russian than a Chinaman or a Japanese and, from what I've seen of them, I have no particular desire to understand them except to ascertain how much lead or iron it takes to kill them. In addition to his other amiable characteristics, the Russian has no regard for human life and is an all out son of a bitch, a barbarian, and a chronic drunk. - George Patton |
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Posted: 4/16/2022 7:39:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: To be fair, Tubman kinda was a master of logistics smuggling human contraband through a series of interconnected yet independent black markets (no pun intended) while outgunned and with limited supplies… That’s why I’m such an optimist, lest Fort Gordon or Fort Bragg be changed to Fort Harriet Tubman |
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Posted: 4/16/2022 7:49:08 PM EDT
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If we're comparing infantry to infantry throughout human history... and saying that
* " x amount of American soldiers vs x an equal amount enemy soldiers " *With only small arms & grenades *With no air support. If I were forced to pick who I thought would come out on top, itd be the Armys premier light infantry, the 75th Rangers. |
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Posted: 4/16/2022 7:53:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Isreal has some quality infantry. The ones that piss themselves all the time? |
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Posted: 4/16/2022 7:56:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In Asiatic countries, quantity of soldiers is more important than quality. For example, Russia has lost 20,000 troops in Ukraine. They don't care if they lose 20,000 more. Pass the vodka, comrade! The difficulty in understanding the Russian is that we do not take cognizance of the fact that he is not a European but an Asiatic and therefore thinks deviously. We can no more understand a Russian than a Chinaman or a Japanese and, from what I've seen of them, I have no particular desire to understand them except to ascertain how much lead or iron it takes to kill them. In addition to his other amiable characteristics, the Russian has no regard for human life and is an all out son of a bitch, a barbarian, and a chronic drunk. - George Patton See that’s why I’m such an optimist, silver lining, more women for me!  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/16/2022 7:56:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Isreal has some quality infantry. LOL. No. They are just better than their enemies. |
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Posted: 4/16/2022 7:57:45 PM EDT
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I love these kind of topics. And yet the Germans the Japanese and even the Vietnamese got curb stomped.
In the case of Vietnamese you can thank Uncle Walter Cronkite that piece of shit |
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Posted: 4/16/2022 7:58:19 PM EDT
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Wasn’t it Robert Leckie ( who fought against the Japanese)who said:”Pound for pound, the Jap doughboy was better than us.”?
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Posted: 4/16/2022 8:04:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I love these kind of topics. And yet the Germans the Japanese and even the Vietnamese got curb stomped. In the case of Vietnamese you can thank Uncle Walter Cronkite that piece of shit Saying the Germans got "stomped" is laughable at best, and more likely full on pants on head retarded. It is akin to Brock Lesnar getting jumped by a hundred amateur club MMA dudes at once, killing 86 of them, and when Lesnar finally succumbs to fatigue and collapses...you come out with claiming he is obviously an overrated fighter. |
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Posted: 4/16/2022 8:10:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Isreal has some quality infantry. |
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Posted: 4/16/2022 8:13:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: British infantry has always been pretty good. It's performance in most of WWII was abysmal. In military circles it was know as "The best saluting army in the world". Read "Winston's War" by Max Hastings. It was designed for colonial garrison duty. Never has a killer instinct. Still riddled with officers who had purchased their commissions. One of their top generals was heard to say that he liked being in the army but did not like fighting. One of the reasons that Montgomery was put up with was because he actually won a few battles. Today's British army is much better than anything they had in WWII. But in today's world it is a small country with a small military. |
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Posted: 4/16/2022 8:15:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Holy fuck, so you’ve seen it too. Not my equipment but good God they stole everything they came across. Traveled light, traveled fast and not afraid to throw down. Wished I had the opportunity to work with their SAS to compare with my experiences I had with the British SAS. @CarmelBytheSea, I have. They are legit. We got to play on the HMAS Ovens that was an old diesel boat dedicated to them. It's a museum now.  Got to play around on their Klepper canoes. Good times. |
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Posted: 4/16/2022 8:20:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryWhat has come to light recently was that during the battle for France in WWII the German Army was high on amphetamines. It accounts a lot for their seemingly super human endurance. The main reason that it paused at Dunkirk short of destroying the BEF was that the men were close to dropping dead in their tracks and had to be allowed to detox to rebuild their body energy reserves before continuing. It was called Pervitn and was handed out to German soldiers in the millions. |
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Posted: 4/16/2022 8:21:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fair, however we used to be British subjects and now we are not. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: British infantry has always been pretty good. Fair, however we used to be British subjects and now we are not. Did we out-soldier them? An empire deciding that asserting all of it's resources to a single colony isn't the same as defeating the empire itself. See America in Afghanistan, circa 2021 |
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Posted: 4/16/2022 8:24:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @CarmelBytheSea, I have. They are legit. We got to play on the HMAS Ovens that was an old diesel boat dedicated to them. It's a museum now. Got to play around on their Klepper canoes. Good times. Bad ass! 
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Posted: 4/16/2022 8:28:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's performance in most of WWII was abysmal. In military circles it was know as "The best saluting army in the world". Read "Winston's War" by Max Hastings. It was designed for colonial garrison duty. Never has a killer instinct. Still riddled with officers who had purchased their commissions. One of their top generals was heard to say that he liked being in the army but did not like fighting. One of the reasons that Montgomery was put up with was because he actually won a few battles. Today's British army is much better than anything they had in WWII. But in today's world it is a small country with a small military. I don't know about everything you wrote but I do know that the purchase of commissions was eliminated for infantry and cavalry by 1870 and never existed for engineers and artillery. Since 1940-1870 is 70 years, the youngest officer who purchased a commission would have been just shy of 90. |
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Posted: 4/16/2022 8:31:15 PM EDT
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Only a moron would join the infantry.
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Posted: 4/16/2022 8:31:54 PM EDT
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Dude, you're obviously talking WWII with all that schmooze, but I'm thinking Rome, England, France, Spain, Germany, Japan, etc....all had hard chargers themselves. History wasn't your forte.??
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Posted: 4/16/2022 8:34:11 PM EDT
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I vote for the German Army of 1914.
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Posted: 4/16/2022 8:59:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Except for a few elite formations, the Army did a poor job man for man compared to the USMC or their opponents. The Official History discusses this in Ch. 1. https://history.army.mil/html/books/002/2-2/CMH_Pub_2-2.pdf  By Allyn Vannoy. U.S. involvement in WWII grew to be about 16,000,000 military personnel by the war's end: approximately 11,200,000 in the Army, 4,200,000 in the Navy, and 660,000 in the Marine Corps.Jun 26, 2017 By mid-1944, Eighth Air Force had reached a total strength of more than 200,000 people (it is estimated that more than 350,000 Americans served in Eighth Air Force during the war in Europe). At peak strength, Eighth Air Force had forty heavy bomber groups, fifteen fighter groups, and four specialized support groups. |
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Posted: 4/16/2022 10:34:46 PM EDT
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No love for the Swiss pike men?
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Posted: 4/16/2022 11:07:57 PM EDT
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The British army during the colonial era.
Walk wide of the widdow at Winsor For half of creation she owns. We bought her the same with the sword and the flame And salted it down with our bones. |
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Posted: 4/16/2022 11:15:13 PM EDT
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I’d say the Azov battalion is doing alright. They have a 300 formation which I would pit against any company sized unit out there. Shoot those dudes did parkour training wearing vests and plates in Kiev. Recent video of a guy climbing a metal church roof to 100 yards of a Russian position and shooting them with a captured Russian smel rocket. 3000 holding off 15-25k ain’t bad. Under constant Russian bomb and artillery attack for 45 days.
Probably the best of all time where the knights of Saint John 1300-1560 or so. Worrier monks fighting the hordes of ottoman janissaries. |
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Posted: 4/16/2022 11:16:20 PM EDT
[#30]
Japan
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Posted: 4/16/2022 11:17:20 PM EDT
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Quoted: Like ever in history? We obviously have our faults, but the amount of success derived from the American infantrymens audacity to dare seems unrivaled. Obviously modern combined arms help but throughout our history as a nation we have many instances where we prevailed as a nation on the battlefield because nobody told us we couldn't do that or they did and we didn't believe them. Maybe I'm wrong and thinking of my time with too much nostalgia as I have a beer and lap some scope rings but I honestly believe the American military of the past 21 years has gone beyond all others and created some of the most highly motivated and well disciplined soldiers to ever exist on this earth. yes there have been others |
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Posted: 4/16/2022 11:17:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Taliban beat two superpowers. The Taliban never fought the Soviets. They came after. And our Dear President cut and ran. AQ, The various Shia militiasthey beat us and now effectively run Iraq. Our Historic President, Barack Hussein Obama pulled out. No Shia militia beat us. The Communists won in VN In 1975. Two years and a month after US troops left. Because Congress cut off the aid (fuel, ammo, parts) we agreed to the get the RVN to sign the "Paris Peace Accords". |
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Posted: 4/16/2022 11:19:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Rome |
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Posted: 4/16/2022 11:23:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If Americans were fighting in Ukraine right now they would have been annihilated. Don’t take my word for it,this was Trump’s national security advisor: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/56204/6C8F2ABA-085B-41F9-89CC-44239B948E42_jpe-2351485.JPG Not with that attitude |
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Posted: 4/16/2022 11:26:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you even lose two world wars bro? The horse drawn Wehrmacht that had to use captured tanks and never standardized any vehicles? Yeah, we beat them. Make all the excuses you want for them - we beat them. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: No modern military has, or will, field a military as competent and capable as the German military in the 1930s. The US military derives most of its capability from technology. The horse drawn Wehrmacht that had to use captured tanks and never standardized any vehicles? Yeah, we beat them. Make all the excuses you want for them - we beat them. There is a book that goes into this called “When the Odds Were Even” - about the Vosges campaign near the end of the war. Weather grounded aircraft. US and German forces were quantitatively matched. https://www.publishersweekly.com/978-0-89141-512-1 Bonn's study of combat operations in the Vosges Mountains of France in late 1944 and early 1945 provides a rare opportunity to compare German and American armies in WW II. In this particular campaign, the two sides were more or less evenly matched in numbers of troops, weapons, supplies and support echelons. Bonn's scholarly work goes a long way toward demolishing the myth that German formations were, division for division, superior to their American counterparts. He ascribes the victory of Gen. Alexander Patch's Seventh Army over the Wehrmacht's Army Group G to superior training, organization and the flexibility of American combined-arms while executing sound tactical doctrine. He pays tribute to the battlefield performance of nonwhite units in the Vosges campaign. This account will reward serious students of operational warfare. Bonn is a serving infantry officer and former assistant professor of history at West Point. Illustrations. (Aug.) |
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Posted: 4/16/2022 11:27:13 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/16/2022 11:32:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This. How did you think we learned it? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: British infantry has always been pretty good. This. How did you think we learned it? Uh from the French. |
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Posted: 4/16/2022 11:43:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There is a book that goes into this called “When the Odds Were Even” - about the Vosges campaign near the end of the war. Weather grounded aircraft. US and German forces were quantitatively matched. https://www.publishersweekly.com/978-0-89141-512-1 Bonn's study of combat operations in the Vosges Mountains of France in late 1944 and early 1945 provides a rare opportunity to compare German and American armies in WW II. In this particular campaign, the two sides were more or less evenly matched in numbers of troops, weapons, supplies and support echelons. Bonn's scholarly work goes a long way toward demolishing the myth that German formations were, division for division, superior to their American counterparts. He ascribes the victory of Gen. Alexander Patch's Seventh Army over the Wehrmacht's Army Group G to superior training, organization and the flexibility of American combined-arms while executing sound tactical doctrine. He pays tribute to the battlefield performance of nonwhite units in the Vosges campaign. This account will reward serious students of operational warfare. Bonn is a serving infantry officer and former assistant professor of history at West Point. Illustrations. (Aug.) Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: No modern military has, or will, field a military as competent and capable as the German military in the 1930s. The US military derives most of its capability from technology. The horse drawn Wehrmacht that had to use captured tanks and never standardized any vehicles? Yeah, we beat them. Make all the excuses you want for them - we beat them. There is a book that goes into this called “When the Odds Were Even” - about the Vosges campaign near the end of the war. Weather grounded aircraft. US and German forces were quantitatively matched. https://www.publishersweekly.com/978-0-89141-512-1 Bonn's study of combat operations in the Vosges Mountains of France in late 1944 and early 1945 provides a rare opportunity to compare German and American armies in WW II. In this particular campaign, the two sides were more or less evenly matched in numbers of troops, weapons, supplies and support echelons. Bonn's scholarly work goes a long way toward demolishing the myth that German formations were, division for division, superior to their American counterparts. He ascribes the victory of Gen. Alexander Patch's Seventh Army over the Wehrmacht's Army Group G to superior training, organization and the flexibility of American combined-arms while executing sound tactical doctrine. He pays tribute to the battlefield performance of nonwhite units in the Vosges campaign. This account will reward serious students of operational warfare. Bonn is a serving infantry officer and former assistant professor of history at West Point. Illustrations. (Aug.) It’s really quite stupid to compare Germans in ‘44/‘45 to the American Army. They had been deprived of basic necessities, since before the war. Rail lines and locomotives, destroyed. Almost every city, destroyed. Everyone knew it was a lost cause by then. The mere fact that some still fought on, is remarkable. |
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Posted: 4/16/2022 11:52:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s really quite stupid to compare Germans in ‘44/‘45 to the American Army. They had been deprived of basic necessities, since before the war. Rail lines and locomotives, destroyed. Almost every city, destroyed. Everyone knew it was a lost cause by then. The mere fact that some still fought on, is remarkable. This is an important fact that people gloss over. You could say the same for the Carolean Army eventually losing to the Russians and their allies. You can consistently kill dozens of your enemy's conscripts for every professional soldier you lose, but if your enemy outnumbers you by a factor of hundreds- eventually your inability to absorb losses will show. |
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Posted: 4/16/2022 11:52:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Uh from the French. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: British infantry has always been pretty good. This. How did you think we learned it? Uh from the French. Von Steuben was Prussian. |
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Posted: 4/17/2022 12:01:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s really quite stupid to compare Germans in ‘44/‘45 to the American Army. They had been deprived of basic necessities, since before the war. Rail lines and locomotives, destroyed. Almost every city, destroyed. Everyone knew it was a lost cause by then. The mere fact that some still fought on, is remarkable. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: No modern military has, or will, field a military as competent and capable as the German military in the 1930s. The US military derives most of its capability from technology. The horse drawn Wehrmacht that had to use captured tanks and never standardized any vehicles? Yeah, we beat them. Make all the excuses you want for them - we beat them. There is a book that goes into this called “When the Odds Were Even” - about the Vosges campaign near the end of the war. Weather grounded aircraft. US and German forces were quantitatively matched. https://www.publishersweekly.com/978-0-89141-512-1 Bonn's study of combat operations in the Vosges Mountains of France in late 1944 and early 1945 provides a rare opportunity to compare German and American armies in WW II. In this particular campaign, the two sides were more or less evenly matched in numbers of troops, weapons, supplies and support echelons. Bonn's scholarly work goes a long way toward demolishing the myth that German formations were, division for division, superior to their American counterparts. He ascribes the victory of Gen. Alexander Patch's Seventh Army over the Wehrmacht's Army Group G to superior training, organization and the flexibility of American combined-arms while executing sound tactical doctrine. He pays tribute to the battlefield performance of nonwhite units in the Vosges campaign. This account will reward serious students of operational warfare. Bonn is a serving infantry officer and former assistant professor of history at West Point. Illustrations. (Aug.) It’s really quite stupid to compare Germans in ‘44/‘45 to the American Army. They had been deprived of basic necessities, since before the war. Rail lines and locomotives, destroyed. Almost every city, destroyed. Everyone knew it was a lost cause by then. The mere fact that some still fought on, is remarkable. Who destroyed those cities and locomotives? In any event, most people have no problem comparing the US and Germans in North Africa in 1942 - when the Germans had 3 years of combat experience under their belt going up against green US conscripts. The Vosges campaign was as close as we have to a “fair fight” where numbers were equal, the terrain favored the Germans, and the US wasn’t simply going up against poorly trained, equipped, and led VG troops. |
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Posted: 4/17/2022 12:09:48 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Saying the Germans got "stomped" is laughable at best, and more likely full on pants on head retarded. It is akin to Brock Lesnar getting jumped by a hundred amateur club MMA dudes at once, killing 86 of them, and when Lesnar finally succumbs to fatigue and collapses...you come out with claiming he is obviously an overrated fighter. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I love these kind of topics. And yet the Germans the Japanese and even the Vietnamese got curb stomped. In the case of Vietnamese you can thank Uncle Walter Cronkite that piece of shit Saying the Germans got "stomped" is laughable at best, and more likely full on pants on head retarded. It is akin to Brock Lesnar getting jumped by a hundred amateur club MMA dudes at once, killing 86 of them, and when Lesnar finally succumbs to fatigue and collapses...you come out with claiming he is obviously an overrated fighter. Except it Would be closer to Lesnar walking into A bar with 100 beginners and picking a fight. Then pissing off a few uninvolved others in the process. |
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Posted: 4/17/2022 12:27:22 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I vote for the German Army of 1914. |
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Posted: 4/17/2022 12:31:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If Americans were fighting in Ukraine right now they would have been annihilated. Don’t take my word for it,this was Trump’s national security advisor: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/56204/6C8F2ABA-085B-41F9-89CC-44239B948E42_jpe-2351485.JPG You can't get more funding with a "we got this" message. |
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Posted: 4/17/2022 12:33:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wasn't there a meme or something here sort of like this...... Shoot at the British and they shoot back. Shoot at the Germans and they machine gun you. Shoot at the Americans and they retreat, then 5 minutes later your position is obliterated by artillery/aircraft. Also, Mongols defeat anyone mentioned in this thread (removing mechanical weapons of course). They were light calvary. If they ended up as foot soldiers, that means they had done something wrong. |
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Posted: 4/17/2022 12:47:19 AM EDT
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French, British, Japanese, and German.
WW1, just a booster at the end. WW2, another booster that armies that had been dying for years. Look at wars were the US was the main force since the 50's, not any wins...... |
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Posted: 4/17/2022 12:47:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I had an uncle who fought the Japanese, too. PTSD & alcoholism. He would wake up screaming. His drunken rambling scared me as a kid, but he despised the Japs until he killed himself. He was furious Japanese cars were being imported to US post war. On multiple occasions, while sober, he said we “never should have stopped at only 2 atom bombs.” I can only imagine what he saw & did. I recently read With the Old Breed. My grandfather fought on Iwo Jima. It was a hard book to read, because I was constantly picturing him going through that horror. |
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Posted: 4/17/2022 1:05:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't think I'd go as far to say that they were bad. I think you should save that opinion for the Italians in WWII. Germany was pretty successful for most of the war. It was mostly their Army too, since the German Navy and Airforce never had the numbers to be decisive. Contrary to popular belief, they didn't have overwhelming numbers of mechanized and armored units in the war. They didn't have massive manpower or fuel reserves like the Allies. Much of the Germany Army was light infantry. They had pretty good weapons, at least at first. The MG42 machine gun and Flak88 were very good. However, the K98 rifle and MP40 were mediocre compared to Allied small arms. The STG44 was great, but produced late in the war and in small numbers. They had good tactics, leaders, and morale. I'd suggest looking at the Allied campaign in Italy after the Italians surrendered. That was largely an infantry campaign since the terrain and bottlenecks were hard for tanks. The Germans held them in Italy until the end of the war, which is telling. Italian Campaign WWII Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The German superman of WWII is a myth a lot of you seem to have bought into. They fucking sucked. The Kaisers Army would have stomped a mud whole in their ass almost as bad as we did. My one German family member on my dads side who survived the war surrendered to the British in N. Africa. His job was to take care of horses. Nobody from my moms side of the family remembers seeing any horses that weren't dead German horses or dead stolen French horses. They had trucks, because they didn't suck at war. To be fair though he did manage to stay in America after the war which probably took some talent because he was a British POW but I digress. I don't think I'd go as far to say that they were bad. I think you should save that opinion for the Italians in WWII. Germany was pretty successful for most of the war. It was mostly their Army too, since the German Navy and Airforce never had the numbers to be decisive. Contrary to popular belief, they didn't have overwhelming numbers of mechanized and armored units in the war. They didn't have massive manpower or fuel reserves like the Allies. Much of the Germany Army was light infantry. They had pretty good weapons, at least at first. The MG42 machine gun and Flak88 were very good. However, the K98 rifle and MP40 were mediocre compared to Allied small arms. The STG44 was great, but produced late in the war and in small numbers. They had good tactics, leaders, and morale. I'd suggest looking at the Allied campaign in Italy after the Italians surrendered. That was largely an infantry campaign since the terrain and bottlenecks were hard for tanks. The Germans held them in Italy until the end of the war, which is telling. Italian Campaign WWII Compared to the Garand, yes, the K98 was mediocre. However, every other country in the world also used bolt action rifles, most of which were some type of Mauser variant including the US M1903. |
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Posted: 4/17/2022 1:05:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Only a moron would join the infantry. Checks username 
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Posted: 4/17/2022 1:14:31 AM EDT
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Russia has been overrated for a long time.
Gulf war 1 proved their equipment sucked. The fear of 1980s cold war theory was that if NATO took out 10 tanks for every 1 NATO tank lost the west would still be overwhelmed. The Ukraine conflict is reaffirming the Russian soldier from low enlisted to higher officer is retarded. Shitty logistics? The final nail in the coffin. Honorable mention, shit Intel. (Although their Intel apparatus seems much more competent than ours).  |
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