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Posted: 3/22/2019 9:22:51 PM EST
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It has an excessive amount of doors. |
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Posted: 3/22/2019 9:24:10 PM EST
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needs a diesel option |
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Posted: 3/22/2019 9:27:05 PM EST
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Is two doors too many? Pretty sure it's available as a two door. |
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Posted: 3/22/2019 9:29:05 PM EST
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The 3.6 is the new minivan V6. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I will be interested if its got a V8 option. Not interested in the minivan v6 |
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Posted: 3/22/2019 9:29:52 PM EST
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Is two doors too many? Pretty sure it's available as a two door. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It has an excessive amount of doors. |
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Posted: 3/22/2019 9:30:59 PM EST
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Im 6'4 at 255lbs, think I will fit? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How tall are you? I am 5'10" and drive an LJ with no problems. You can be a mild fatty and be pretty comfy but if you start getting extra sexy, it can get tight in a hurry. |
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Posted: 3/22/2019 9:34:45 PM EST
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I'll bet not, 2 doors don't sell very well anymore. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is two doors too many? Pretty sure it's available as a two door. |
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Posted: 3/22/2019 9:36:38 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As far as I am concerned any FCA v6 is a fucking minivan motor. The diesel shows promise. There's enough room under the hood of that thing to easily have the 5.7 or 6.4. If they put either of those it will most definitely have my attention. If they do the 6.4 I'll be getting in line for sure. I've been wanting to see a 6.4 Ram for a while now as well. Lots of prototypes have been made. Nothing has hit production. |
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Posted: 3/22/2019 9:40:13 PM EST
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Im 6’4 at 255lbs, think I will fit? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How tall are you? I am 5'10" and drive an LJ with no problems. You can be a mild fatty and be pretty comfy but if you start getting extra sexy, it can get tight in a hurry. |
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Posted: 3/22/2019 9:41:06 PM EST
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JLU owner....the 3.6 with the 8 speed will put you back in your seat. Gets up to 90 easily. I would look at getting a Gladiator if not for my recent purchase on this.
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Posted: 3/22/2019 9:46:06 PM EST
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Autostart? That's the first thing I turn off when I get in my Cherokee. That craptastic feature eats batteries, but I could see it having a benefit in certain off road situations. I will be disabling ess |
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Posted: 3/22/2019 9:50:21 PM EST
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The 3.6 was designed from the ground up to replace every V6 in the corporation. It was first installed in the Grand Cherokee, and it used in more Jeeps than minivans. Calling it a minivan motor makes as much sense as calling 5W30 "minivan oil". Some of us prefer not to accept such things on our personal vehicles, and desire something more than the engine that goes into the minivans. Sorry if that bothers you, I guess. |
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Posted: 3/22/2019 10:11:37 PM EST
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That "fucking minivan motor" is 300HP and pretty bombproof. There's a reason Jeep guys call the 3.6 the "Jesus Engine" |
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Posted: 3/22/2019 10:14:27 PM EST
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I passed one on the highway a couple months ago in the body cladding disguise stuff. Looked pretty neat.
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Posted: 3/22/2019 11:00:38 PM EST
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Fuck that. Last Dodge truck I bought had more than 500HP stock. Some of us want HP and TQ. 300 is a god damn joke. The 470 in the SRT is nice. The 370 in the 57 is okay, and with a blower easily approaches 450+ Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That "fucking minivan motor" is 300HP and pretty bombproof. There's a reason Jeep guys call the 3.6 the "Jesus Engine" Just because your pointless SRT-10 novelty truck had 500+ HP doesn’t mean it would serve any practical purpose whatsoever in something like the Gladiator. The Pentastar makes more than enough power for a vehicle of that type, and I would guess the overwhelming majority of people who buy it will rarely break 4k RPMs anyways. |
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Posted: 3/22/2019 11:15:44 PM EST
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Remember posting about in the concept thread about it. TJ owner checking in who wanted the green concept Gladiator when it came out when I was in HS. Love the new one but it can’t replace my 4Runner TRD Pro for comfort , family function and reliability. Maybe when I am an empty nester.....
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Posted: 3/22/2019 11:17:30 PM EST
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For what? It’s a light duty pickup and off-roader. Just because your pointless SRT-10 novelty truck had 500+ HP doesn’t mean it would serve any practical purpose whatsoever in something like the Gladiator. The Pentastar makes more than enough power for a vehicle of that type, and I would guess the overwhelming majority of people who buy it will rarely break 4k RPMs anyways. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That "fucking minivan motor" is 300HP and pretty bombproof. There's a reason Jeep guys call the 3.6 the "Jesus Engine" Just because your pointless SRT-10 novelty truck had 500+ HP doesn’t mean it would serve any practical purpose whatsoever in something like the Gladiator. The Pentastar makes more than enough power for a vehicle of that type, and I would guess the overwhelming majority of people who buy it will rarely break 4k RPMs anyways. |
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Posted: 3/22/2019 11:24:30 PM EST
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Been waiting for it since the 2005 concept and it never appears. Of course if and when it does they will dick it up.
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Posted: 3/22/2019 11:25:35 PM EST
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Im 6'4 at 255lbs, think I will fit? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How tall are you? I am 5'10" and drive an LJ with no problems. You can be a mild fatty and be pretty comfy but if you start getting extra sexy, it can get tight in a hurry. |
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Posted: 3/22/2019 11:30:17 PM EST
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No. I'm 6'2" 235 and it's a tight fit for me. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How tall are you? I am 5'10" and drive an LJ with no problems. You can be a mild fatty and be pretty comfy but if you start getting extra sexy, it can get tight in a hurry. 
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Posted: 3/22/2019 11:44:29 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For what? It’s a light duty pickup and off-roader. Just because your pointless SRT-10 novelty truck had 500+ HP doesn’t mean it would serve any practical purpose whatsoever in something like the Gladiator. The Pentastar makes more than enough power for a vehicle of that type, and I would guess the overwhelming majority of people who buy it will rarely break 4k RPMs anyways. I towed with my SRT10 regularly and it did it well. It was used to haul things in the bed regularly and was driven hard when I took it out to just have fun with it. Just because you're happy with a wimpy low power engine doesn't mean the rest of us are. Trucks are meant to be able to haul. The Gladiator has a frame that is not only longer, but wider and reinforced. This was purpose built as a TRUCK, Not a stretched wrangler. If it's going to get used as a truck, its going to need Torque as well as more horsepower than that pathetic v6 can provide. |
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Posted: 3/22/2019 11:49:30 PM EST
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What's the wheelbase? About 1/2" from being a trail limo |
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Posted: 3/23/2019 12:09:22 AM EST
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Saw a bright yellow one not long ago.
Nice looking 'toy' vehicle. Looked like a fun truck to cruise around in. No where near as useful as a regular pickup or SUV but it's a JEEP so it gets a pass on most standards used to determine vehicle utility. |
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Posted: 3/23/2019 12:12:49 AM EST
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Saw a rubicon gladiator in person at a car show a few weeks back. Got to mess around with it. Sat in it, played with the radio and nav system, pressed loads of buttons, opened every door, messed with the tailgate, etc. Spent 30-45 mins with it.
I walked away wanting one immediately. It’s freakin’ cool. If I do it, I’ll wait for the diesel. I also want to know what the price is going to be. I imagine it’ll be at least $60k for the rubicon with the diesel |
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Posted: 3/23/2019 12:15:12 AM EST
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They look pretty cool.
Bring back a modernized 4.0 inline 6 please! |
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Posted: 3/23/2019 12:23:30 AM EST
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Those of us that are actually enthusiast want MORE. Your statement of practical says a lot. Being able to get out if its own way on the highway or pull a trailer up a hill is part of the preacticallity of a TRUCK. a 300HP v6 does not do this well at all. I towed with my SRT10 regularly and it did it well. It was used to haul things in the bed regularly and was driven hard when I took it out to just have fun with it. Just because you're happy with a wimpy low power engine doesn't mean the rest of us are. Trucks are meant to be able to haul. The Gladiator has a frame that is not only longer, but wider and reinforced. This was purpose built as a TRUCK, Not a stretched wrangler. If it's going to get used as a truck, its going to need Torque as well as more horsepower than that pathetic v6 can provide. |
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Posted: 3/23/2019 12:27:12 AM EST
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Saw a rubicon gladiator in person at a car show a few weeks back. Got to mess around with it. Sat in it, played with the radio and nav system, pressed loads of buttons, opened every door, messed with the tailgate, etc. Spent 30-45 mins with it. I walked away wanting one immediately. It’s freakin’ cool. If I do it, I’ll wait for the diesel. I also want to know what the price is going to be. I imagine it’ll be at least $60k for the rubicon with the diesel Not complaining about displacement. I'm guessing JEEP will have to do some frame strengthening and suspension improvements to accommodate a diesel motor and the towing possibilities. EDIT: I read that it's getting an ecodiesel and was designed to have a towing capacity! Nice. |
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Posted: 3/23/2019 12:29:49 AM EST
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The 3.6 is the engine installed in every Grand Caravan and Town & Country since 2011. It is the current engine of the new Pacifica minivan, and an option in other vehicles which could also be selected with a Hemi, but aren't, because some people convince themselves that selecting the minivan engine over a Hemi is okay. Some of us prefer not to accept such things on our personal vehicles, and desire something more than the engine that goes into the minivans. Sorry if that bothers you, I guess. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The 3.6 was designed from the ground up to replace every V6 in the corporation. It was first installed in the Grand Cherokee, and it used in more Jeeps than minivans. Calling it a minivan motor makes as much sense as calling 5W30 "minivan oil". Some of us prefer not to accept such things on our personal vehicles, and desire something more than the engine that goes into the minivans. Sorry if that bothers you, I guess. 
cog·ni·tive dis·so·nance nounPSYCHOLOGY the state of having inconsistent thoughts, beliefs, or attitudes, especially as relating to behavioral decisions and attitude change. |
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Posted: 3/23/2019 12:36:42 AM EST
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The 3.6 is the new minivan V6. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I will be interested if its got a V8 option. Not interested in the minivan v6 Brother's JL isn't a racecar but it has pretty adequate power, the rental JKU I tooled around Hawaii with didn't feel horrible either. Then again my offroad truck has ~110hp. |
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Posted: 3/23/2019 12:37:17 AM EST
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It will list for 45k minimum on up to 60K for the diesel Rubicon. Much was mentioned by Fiat folks about it being a "lifestyle" vehicle.
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Posted: 3/23/2019 12:49:18 AM EST
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Those of us that are actually enthusiast want MORE. Your statement of practical says a lot. Being able to get out if its own way on the highway or pull a trailer up a hill is part of the preacticallity of a TRUCK. a 300HP v6 does not do this well at all. I towed with my SRT10 regularly and it did it well. It was used to haul things in the bed regularly and was driven hard when I took it out to just have fun with it. Just because you're happy with a wimpy low power engine doesn't mean the rest of us are. Trucks are meant to be able to haul. The Gladiator has a frame that is not only longer, but wider and reinforced. This was purpose built as a TRUCK, Not a stretched wrangler. If it's going to get used as a truck, its going to need Torque as well as more horsepower than that pathetic v6 can provide. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: For what? It's a light duty pickup and off-roader. Just because your pointless SRT-10 novelty truck had 500+ HP doesn't mean it would serve any practical purpose whatsoever in something like the Gladiator. The Pentastar makes more than enough power for a vehicle of that type, and I would guess the overwhelming majority of people who buy it will rarely break 4k RPMs anyways. I towed with my SRT10 regularly and it did it well. It was used to haul things in the bed regularly and was driven hard when I took it out to just have fun with it. Just because you're happy with a wimpy low power engine doesn't mean the rest of us are. Trucks are meant to be able to haul. The Gladiator has a frame that is not only longer, but wider and reinforced. This was purpose built as a TRUCK, Not a stretched wrangler. If it's going to get used as a truck, its going to need Torque as well as more horsepower than that pathetic v6 can provide. I love the v8 and if I had my way would also v8 all the things. But dismissing the v6 combo as shit is not really in line with the market. It's a perfectly serviceable powertrian in everything from Grand Cherokees to Rams. |
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Posted: 3/23/2019 12:57:20 AM EST
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Those of us that are actually enthusiast want MORE. Your statement of practical says a lot. Being able to get out if its own way on the highway or pull a trailer up a hill is part of the preacticallity of a TRUCK. a 300HP v6 does not do this well at all. I towed with my SRT10 regularly and it did it well. It was used to haul things in the bed regularly and was driven hard when I took it out to just have fun with it. Just because you're happy with a wimpy low power engine doesn't mean the rest of us are. Trucks are meant to be able to haul. The Gladiator has a frame that is not only longer, but wider and reinforced. This was purpose built as a TRUCK, Not a stretched wrangler. If it's going to get used as a truck, its going to need Torque as well as more horsepower than that pathetic v6 can provide. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: For what? It’s a light duty pickup and off-roader. Just because your pointless SRT-10 novelty truck had 500+ HP doesn’t mean it would serve any practical purpose whatsoever in something like the Gladiator. The Pentastar makes more than enough power for a vehicle of that type, and I would guess the overwhelming majority of people who buy it will rarely break 4k RPMs anyways. I towed with my SRT10 regularly and it did it well. It was used to haul things in the bed regularly and was driven hard when I took it out to just have fun with it. Just because you're happy with a wimpy low power engine doesn't mean the rest of us are. Trucks are meant to be able to haul. The Gladiator has a frame that is not only longer, but wider and reinforced. This was purpose built as a TRUCK, Not a stretched wrangler. If it's going to get used as a truck, its going to need Torque as well as more horsepower than that pathetic v6 can provide. The architecture of this vehicle is optimized for things that happen at low speeds. It's a crawler. What's the gearing? 4.10? If FCA wanted it to be a fast, Baja racer type truck, it would have an independent front suspension. How big of a trailer do you expect someone to tow with a midsize truck that weighs under 5k pounds? |
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Posted: 3/23/2019 1:08:32 AM EST
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Saw a bright yellow one not long ago. Nice looking 'toy' vehicle. Looked like a fun truck to cruise around in. No where near as useful as a regular pickup or SUV but it's a JEEP so it gets a pass on most standards used to determine vehicle utility. |
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Posted: 3/23/2019 1:27:22 AM EST
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The 3.6 was a massive improvement over the 3.8. I’ve had JKUR’s in both.
I’ve driven 2 Hemi conversions and they weren’t that much faster than the 3.6. Very disappointing especially when you consider the extra cost. The pentastar killed the Hemi swap business for Jeeps back in 2012. |
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Posted: 3/23/2019 2:13:32 AM EST
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I’m pretty happy with my ‘14 JKUR, and I’d love to get a diesel Gladiator, but I’m betting the price will be higher than I want to pay.
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Posted: 3/23/2019 4:46:44 AM EST
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I'm 6'4", 250 and I fit fine in both an 80 CJ-7 and a 98 ZJ. I doubt they're making the new one's any smaller than those. |
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Posted: 3/23/2019 4:47:32 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I am 6’5 225 and daily drive a JKU |
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Posted: 3/23/2019 4:48:50 AM EST
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No. I'm 6'2" 235 and it's a tight fit for me. |
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Posted: 3/23/2019 6:45:44 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: From that angle is not great looking. Bit bigger tires would help. I'm kind of interested. |
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Posted: 3/23/2019 6:56:02 AM EST
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For what? It's a light duty pickup and off-roader. Just because your pointless SRT-10 novelty truck had 500+ HP doesn't mean it would serve any practical purpose whatsoever in something like the Gladiator. The Pentastar makes more than enough power for a vehicle of that type, and I would guess the overwhelming majority of people who buy it will rarely break 4k RPMs anyways. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That "fucking minivan motor" is 300HP and pretty bombproof. There's a reason Jeep guys call the 3.6 the "Jesus Engine" Just because your pointless SRT-10 novelty truck had 500+ HP doesn't mean it would serve any practical purpose whatsoever in something like the Gladiator. The Pentastar makes more than enough power for a vehicle of that type, and I would guess the overwhelming majority of people who buy it will rarely break 4k RPMs anyways. I'll try to track one down used when I need to replace my daily driver. It's about perfect for my uses for a vehicle of that size. I have a truck setup to tow in my garage so I don't need it to do anything besides be good off-road. |
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Posted: 3/23/2019 6:56:15 AM EST
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I just picked up a JLUR with the 2.0 and 8 speed and it an amazing little engine. It has more zip than any Jeep I’ve ever driven.
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Posted: 3/23/2019 6:58:26 AM EST
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I don't get the appeal. Too long for trails (2.5' longer than a 4 door Wrangler) and it's a shitty version of a pickup truck.
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Posted: 3/23/2019 6:58:38 AM EST
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I heard the pricing was going to be in the high $50k's to mid $60k's. way to much for a pretend pickup truck. The bed looks as useless as the one that the Hummer H3 had. |
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Posted: 3/23/2019 8:35:22 AM EST
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I drive by the Fiat tech center every day. I’ve seen as many as 3 a day being road tested over the last couple months. They look awesome in person.
I love my Cherokee Trailhawk, but if I was in the market right now I’d totally find a way to get a second or third model year Gladiator. NEVER buy first model year. BTDT won’t do it again. I am not a big fan of the soft top but that’s because in MI you get **maybe** 3 months of use out of it, then it’s too cold or rainy to enjoy. BTW I saw a Wagoneer or whatever they’re calling the 3 row version driving on I75 ... well, limping on I75 with the flashers on (not uncommon with all automakers when they’re still road testing and working out kinks). It reminded me of a bigger Compass. I was kind of “meh”... I liked the Commander, especially if lifted with larger tires on it, but if they didn’t sell, why try the 3 row thing again? |
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Posted: 3/23/2019 8:45:41 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: With that wheelbase I might as well buy a taco. |
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Posted: 3/23/2019 9:01:11 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Kind of my point. You lose all the advantages of a Jeep. My 2011 Access cab Taco wheel base is 36" longer than my 2000 TJ. Then we count approach and departure angles. Obviously breakover angle is shot. |
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Posted: 3/23/2019 9:41:59 AM EST
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I heard the pricing was going to be in the high $50k's to mid $60k's. way to much for a pretend pickup truck. The bed looks as useless as the one that the Hummer H3 had. |
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Posted: 3/23/2019 9:44:27 AM EST
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On the 3.6 vs 5.7.
I currently have an '18 GC with the 3.6 and had a '12 GC with the hemi. Frankly, unless you're towing there really isn't much difference in how they drive. The 3.6 has plenty of balls for this application. It's a damn good motor. Nobody is buying a gladiator with the idea that it's a full time tow vehicle or work truck. |
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Posted: 3/23/2019 9:44:54 AM EST
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I dig it, reminds me of the scrambler for some reason.
I've wanted one forever. I'm a jeep fan. |
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Posted: 3/23/2019 9:46:14 AM EST
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I’ve never owned a Jeep but this really interests me. Towing capacity and legs space for drivers will be my main concerns. 
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