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Posted: 3/23/2019 9:54:10 AM EST
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What do you want to know about them? Been building them for a while now  Anything that vastly differs from the Rubi/Jk? |
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Posted: 3/23/2019 9:54:58 AM EST
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Looks cool but it's still a Fiat/FCA. Nope.
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Posted: 3/23/2019 9:57:42 AM EST
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Im 6’4 at 255lbs, think I will fit? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How tall are you? I am 5'10" and drive an LJ with no problems. You can be a mild fatty and be pretty comfy but if you start getting extra sexy, it can get tight in a hurry. |
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Posted: 3/23/2019 10:08:04 AM EST
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I dig it, reminds me of the scrambler for some reason. I've wanted one forever. I'm a jeep fan.  Attached FileThat being said, I think that the new Gladiator is pretty damn cool in its own right and I wouldn’t mind owning one if the price ever gets right enough. |
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Posted: 3/23/2019 11:18:01 AM EST
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It won't be as hardcore trail capable as the Wranglers, but will be an epic Overlanding rig. |
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Posted: 3/23/2019 5:23:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @joshiedoom how’s the leg room? Anything that vastly differs from the Rubi/Jk? It's basically a ram truck rear and a JLU front. |
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Posted: 3/24/2019 8:52:33 AM EST
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The 3.6 was designed from the ground up to replace every V6 in the corporation. It was first installed in the Grand Cherokee, and it used in more Jeeps than minivans. Calling it a minivan motor makes as much sense as calling 5W30 "minivan oil". |
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Posted: 3/24/2019 11:36:23 AM EST
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It won't be as hardcore trail capable as the Wranglers, but will be an epic Overlanding rig. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Kind of my point. You lose all the advantages of a Jeep. My 2011 Access cab Taco wheel base is 36" longer than my 2000 TJ. Then we count approach and departure angles. Obviously breakover angle is shot. Mall crawling and overlanding, at best, will be about it for a vehicle this size. It's longer than my HMMWV and that's a full size vehicle. |
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Posted: 3/24/2019 11:40:41 AM EST
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kind of pisses me off that they're not offering a regular cab
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Posted: 3/24/2019 11:50:52 AM EST
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Searched and couldn't find anything about it. Looks like it's basically a 4 door wrangler unlimited stretched out and with a bed. The Rubicon has some nice specs on paper for a midsize truck (basically same specs as current rubicons). - Dana 44s with lockers front and rear - Electronic disconnect sway bar https://cmsimages-alt.kbb.com/content/dam/kbb-editorial/make/jeep/gladiator/2020/12-2020-jeep-gladiator-oem.jpg Fiat, I know. Not bad looking and I am not a jeep person. |
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Posted: 3/24/2019 11:53:16 AM EST
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I am 6’4”.......and used to weigh 275......I was very comfortable. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How tall are you? I am 5'10" and drive an LJ with no problems. You can be a mild fatty and be pretty comfy but if you start getting extra sexy, it can get tight in a hurry. So instead of a new one I’m just going to build the shit out of the JKU i have. |
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Posted: 3/24/2019 11:58:14 AM EST
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Wheelbase and OAL almost as big as a Suburban. And the departure angle is definitely going to be lacking since they sacrificed it for bed length. Mall crawling and overlanding, at best, will be about it for a vehicle this size. It's longer than my HMMWV and that's a full size vehicle. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: Kind of my point. You lose all the advantages of a Jeep. My 2011 Access cab Taco wheel base is 36" longer than my 2000 TJ. Then we count approach and departure angles. Obviously breakover angle is shot. Mall crawling and overlanding, at best, will be about it for a vehicle this size. It's longer than my HMMWV and that's a full size vehicle. Breakover angle is the only thing that is in any way inferior to the other midsize pickups (and that's stock... remember it's clearanced for 35's, even if it doesn't come with them). Approach and departure angles are vastly superior. This thing is going to run circles around a Tacoma offroad, but still not be able to hang with the Wranglers at times. (Which isn't that unusual... while I've been impressed by the 4-door JK's, 2 doors still do most things better offroad) |
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Posted: 3/24/2019 1:33:14 PM EST
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There are plenty of people who have looked at this all over the web. Breakover angle is the only thing that is in any way inferior to the other midsize pickups (and that's stock... remember it's clearanced for 35's, even if it doesn't come with them). Approach and departure angles are vastly superior. This thing is going to run circles around a Tacoma offroad, but still not be able to hang with the Wranglers at times. (Which isn't that unusual... while I've been impressed by the 4-door JK's, 2 doors still do most things better offroad) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: Kind of my point. You lose all the advantages of a Jeep. My 2011 Access cab Taco wheel base is 36" longer than my 2000 TJ. Then we count approach and departure angles. Obviously breakover angle is shot. Mall crawling and overlanding, at best, will be about it for a vehicle this size. It's longer than my HMMWV and that's a full size vehicle. Breakover angle is the only thing that is in any way inferior to the other midsize pickups (and that's stock... remember it's clearanced for 35's, even if it doesn't come with them). Approach and departure angles are vastly superior. This thing is going to run circles around a Tacoma offroad, but still not be able to hang with the Wranglers at times. (Which isn't that unusual... while I've been impressed by the 4-door JK's, 2 doors still do most things better offroad) Personally, I think they'd have been better off chopping the bed/frame just behind the rear wheels like the rest of the Jeeps, even if it meant sacrificing some bed utility. Owners aren't going to be taking it to pick up a stack of drywall or plywood anyway and it's already too short to put a quad or dirtbike in. The problem it suffers from is that, unlike the HMMWV which has the engine tucked into the cab partially, the Wrangler has all of its engine sticking out the front adding to the overall length. If they moved the cab forward on the platform, say that space between where the rear of the front fender ends and the door opening begins and slightly over the engine, they could retain more bed length while maintaining an overall shorter length but I don't know how that would play to modern crash safety standards that already put the Wrangler under the gun. |
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Posted: 3/24/2019 2:39:36 PM EST
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Oh yeah, I'm sure it will be better than most midsized pickups since most all of them aren't based off of more inherently capable off road platforms but, like you said it's likely going to be the poorest off road performer of all the Wranglers. That's what I was getting at. No two ways around it, it's loooong and that's going to hurt it. Personally, I think they'd have been better off chopping the bed/frame just behind the rear wheels like the rest of the Jeeps, even if it meant sacrificing some bed utility. Owners aren't going to be taking it to pick up a stack of drywall or plywood anyway and it's already too short to put a quad or dirtbike in. The problem it suffers from is that, unlike the HMMWV which has the engine tucked into the cab partially, the Wrangler has all of its engine sticking out the front adding to the overall length. If they moved the cab forward on the platform, say that space between where the rear of the front fender ends and the door opening begins and slightly over the engine, they could retain more bed length while maintaining an overall shorter length but I don't know how that would play to modern crash safety standards that already put the Wrangler under the gun. 
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Posted: 3/24/2019 2:54:27 PM EST
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So when is GD going to start referring to them as the Jeep HR (short for Happy Roman)?
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Posted: 3/24/2019 3:23:44 PM EST
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Two dirtbikes fit in the bed just fine.
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Oh yeah, I'm sure it will be better than most midsized pickups since most all of them aren't based off of more inherently capable off road platforms but, like you said it's likely going to be the poorest off road performer of all the Wranglers. That's what I was getting at. No two ways around it, it's loooong and that's going to hurt it. Personally, I think they'd have been better off chopping the bed/frame just behind the rear wheels like the rest of the Jeeps, even if it meant sacrificing some bed utility. Owners aren't going to be taking it to pick up a stack of drywall or plywood anyway and it's already too short to put a quad or dirtbike in. The problem it suffers from is that, unlike the HMMWV which has the engine tucked into the cab partially, the Wrangler has all of its engine sticking out the front adding to the overall length. If they moved the cab forward on the platform, say that space between where the rear of the front fender ends and the door opening begins and slightly over the engine, they could retain more bed length while maintaining an overall shorter length but I don't know how that would play to modern crash safety standards that already put the Wrangler under the gun.
http://motoxmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/jeep-gladiator.jpg  Attached File
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Posted: 3/24/2019 3:30:01 PM EST
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Posted: 3/24/2019 3:36:32 PM EST
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They look pretty cool. Bring back a modernized 4.0 inline 6 please! https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1120578_fca-planning-turbocharged-inline-6-to-replace-pentastar-v-6 |
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Posted: 3/24/2019 3:46:16 PM EST
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For those saying they don't fit in a Jeep, is it because you are too tall in the torso or just too fat?
I'm 6'6" with a 37" inseam, 230-235 lbs and daily drove a 1991 YJ and a 2001 TJ for about eighteen years without issue. |
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Posted: 3/24/2019 3:58:47 PM EST
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Nope, no plans for a 2 door version of the truck, unfortunately. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It has an excessive amount of doors. I'm so sick of manufacturers appealing to the demographic that only wants a truck instead of needing a truck. What use is a 4 door wrangler with an ittybitty baby bed? This is for the white collar mid-life crisis crowd, NOT the farm and trail crew. So fucking sick of this shit. |
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Posted: 3/24/2019 4:02:01 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: WTF. Great, lets design a wrangler truck that excels at nothing but glamour shots and mall crawling. I'm so sick of manufacturers appealing to the demographic that only wants a truck instead of needing a truck. What use is a 4 door wrangler with an ittybitty baby bed? This is for the white collar mid-life crisis crowd, NOT the farm and trail crew. So fucking sick of this shit. |
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Posted: 3/24/2019 4:02:50 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: WTF. Great, lets design a wrangler truck that excels at nothing but glamour shots and mall crawling. I'm so sick of manufacturers appealing to the demographic that only wants a truck instead of needing a truck. What use is a 4 door wrangler with an ittybitty baby bed? This is for the white collar mid-life crisis crowd, NOT the farm and trail crew. So fucking sick of this shit. 
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Posted: 3/24/2019 4:36:49 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As a Scrambler owner, it doesn’t remind me of one at all and I am glad that they didn’t use the name for the new truck. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/2117/53A84E17-76B2-4D73-973C-12D05FBF948C_jpeg-887283.JPG That being said, I think that the new Gladiator is pretty damn cool in its own right and I wouldn’t mind owning one if the price ever gets right enough. The TJ Unlimited would have been worthy of the Scrambler name. 
I checked out the Gladiator at the auto show in Detroit. I was impressed. One of these will definitely be replacing my '17 JKU within the next decade. The comments complaining about the small bed and the loooooong wheelbase are moot. The bed is the same size as the Tacoma's and that of pretty much any other mid-size truck. The wheelbase is about 10" longer than the Tacoma's, which isn't a limo stretch by any means. 35" tires, which will fit without modification, can help slightly with the break-over angle. Install a 2.5" lift and 37" tires, and the longer wheelbase won't be an issue on most obstacles. |
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Posted: 3/24/2019 6:10:57 PM EST
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@Boomer The TJ Unlimited would have been worthy of the Scrambler name. http://i65.tinypic.com/vmqfl3.jpg I checked out the Gladiator at the auto show in Detroit. I was impressed. One of these will definitely be replacing my '17 JKU within the next decade. The comments complaining about the small bed and the loooooong wheelbase are moot. The bed is the same size as the Tacoma's and that of pretty much any other mid-size truck. The wheelbase is about 10" longer than the Tacoma's, which isn't a limo stretch by any means. 35" tires, which will fit without modification, can help slightly with the break-over angle. Install a 2.5" lift and 37" tires, and the longer wheelbase won't be an issue on most obstacles. B- Which Tacoma are you using for the wheelbase? |
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Posted: 3/24/2019 6:45:49 PM EST
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Literally every farmer I know drives a crew cab. And the "trail crew" buys JKUs to JKs 4:1. Nobody buys 2 doors but fleet buyers and the poors. ive had 2 Rubicon 2 doors, 2007 and 2016. I am neither a fleet buyer nor poor by any common definition. |
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Posted: 3/24/2019 6:51:03 PM EST
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Oh no!!! My 435HP 3.5L V-6 F-150 uses 5W30 oil. What to do, what to do...!!!!! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The 3.6 was designed from the ground up to replace every V6 in the corporation. It was first installed in the Grand Cherokee, and it used in more Jeeps than minivans. Calling it a minivan motor makes as much sense as calling 5W30 "minivan oil".  
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Posted: 3/24/2019 10:11:55 PM EST
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Wrong. ive had 2 Rubicon 2 doors, 2007 and 2016. I am neither a fleet buyer nor poor by any common definition. 2 doors just don't sell for shit anymore, can't blame FCA for not bothering with that demographic on the Gladiator. |
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Posted: 3/24/2019 10:51:34 PM EST
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A turbo inline six is coming. https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1120578_fca-planning-turbocharged-inline-6-to-replace-pentastar-v-6 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They look pretty cool. Bring back a modernized 4.0 inline 6 please! https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1120578_fca-planning-turbocharged-inline-6-to-replace-pentastar-v-6 |
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Posted: 3/24/2019 11:15:54 PM EST
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I cant afford a car payment like that.
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Posted: 3/24/2019 11:49:00 PM EST
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@Boomer The TJ Unlimited would have been worthy of the Scrambler name. http://i65.tinypic.com/vmqfl3.jpg I checked out the Gladiator at the auto show in Detroit. I was impressed. One of these will definitely be replacing my '17 JKU within the next decade. The comments complaining about the small bed and the loooooong wheelbase are moot. The bed is the same size as the Tacoma's and that of pretty much any other mid-size truck. The wheelbase is about 10" longer than the Tacoma's, which isn't a limo stretch by any means. 35" tires, which will fit without modification, can help slightly with the break-over angle. Install a 2.5" lift and 37" tires, and the longer wheelbase won't be an issue on most obstacles. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: As a Scrambler owner, it doesn’t remind me of one at all and I am glad that they didn’t use the name for the new truck. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/2117/53A84E17-76B2-4D73-973C-12D05FBF948C_jpeg-887283.JPG That being said, I think that the new Gladiator is pretty damn cool in its own right and I wouldn’t mind owning one if the price ever gets right enough. The TJ Unlimited would have been worthy of the Scrambler name. http://i65.tinypic.com/vmqfl3.jpg I checked out the Gladiator at the auto show in Detroit. I was impressed. One of these will definitely be replacing my '17 JKU within the next decade. The comments complaining about the small bed and the loooooong wheelbase are moot. The bed is the same size as the Tacoma's and that of pretty much any other mid-size truck. The wheelbase is about 10" longer than the Tacoma's, which isn't a limo stretch by any means. 35" tires, which will fit without modification, can help slightly with the break-over angle. Install a 2.5" lift and 37" tires, and the longer wheelbase won't be an issue on most obstacles. 
2020 Gladiator Wheelbase: 137.3" 2019 Chevrolet Suburban Wheelbase: 130" 2020 Gladiator Overall Length: 218" 2019 Chevrolet Suburban Overall Length: 224.4 Longer wheelbase than a Chevrolet Suburban and just 6" shorter. It's certainly not going to be incapable off road but reality says it definitely won't be the same trail rig as its smaller siblings. |
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Posted: 3/24/2019 11:55:02 PM EST
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They fucked up by having too many doors! It's suppose to a life style vehicle...OK. If they do come out with a 2 door version with the diesel or Hemi, then I might buy one in Rubicon trim.
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Posted: 3/28/2019 8:30:21 PM EST
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https://i.imgur.com/Y9OBxYh.jpg?1 2020 Gladiator Wheelbase: 137.3" 2019 Chevrolet Suburban Wheelbase: 130" 2020 Gladiator Overall Length: 218" 2019 Chevrolet Suburban Overall Length: 224.4 Longer wheelbase than a Chevrolet Suburban and just 6" shorter. It's certainly not going to be incapable off road but reality says it definitely won't be the same trail rig as its smaller siblings. Quote HistoryQuoted:
https://i.imgur.com/Y9OBxYh.jpg?1 2020 Gladiator Wheelbase: 137.3" 2019 Chevrolet Suburban Wheelbase: 130" 2020 Gladiator Overall Length: 218" 2019 Chevrolet Suburban Overall Length: 224.4 Longer wheelbase than a Chevrolet Suburban and just 6" shorter. It's certainly not going to be incapable off road but reality says it definitely won't be the same trail rig as its smaller siblings. Quoted: A- I searched and searched for months and could not find an LJ for sale, so bought a TJ. B- Which Tacoma are you using for the wheelbase? Quoted:
https://i.imgur.com/Y9OBxYh.jpg?1 2020 Gladiator Wheelbase: 137.3" 2019 Chevrolet Suburban Wheelbase: 130" 2020 Gladiator Overall Length: 218" 2019 Chevrolet Suburban Overall Length: 224.4 Longer wheelbase than a Chevrolet Suburban and just 6" shorter. It's certainly not going to be incapable off road but reality says it definitely won't be the same trail rig as its smaller siblings. |
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Posted: 3/28/2019 8:33:09 PM EST
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Interesting RTI specs for the Gladiator:
https://www.jeepgladiatorforum.com/forum/threads/gladiator-623-rti-score-whoops-colorado-and-tacoma-ramp-travel-index-test-score.14898/ Gladiator Rubicon: 623
TRD Pro: 492 Colorado ZR2: 489 TRD Off-Road: 468 Colorado Z71: 410 |
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Posted: 3/28/2019 8:35:03 PM EST
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Posted: 3/28/2019 8:49:56 PM EST
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Posted: 3/28/2019 10:04:26 PM EST
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Interesting specs on the Suburban/Gladiator comparison. I wonder if the solid front axle vs. IFS set-ups has an effect on the wheel base; i.e., the components of an IFS-equipped vehicle forcing engineers to have the front wheels installed further back, thus shortening the wheel base. The Tacoma approach angle is 29 while the Gladiator has a better 40.8 degree approach angle. |
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Posted: 3/29/2019 12:30:07 AM EST
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Breakover? Quote History |
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Posted: 3/29/2019 7:31:28 PM EST
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Before or after lift and tires? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Before or after lift and tires? Lift and tires aren’t standardized. |
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Posted: 3/29/2019 7:50:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Before. Lift and tires aren’t standardized. |
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Posted: 3/29/2019 8:18:43 PM EST
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If breakover matters to the driver, it's gonna have tires. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Before. Lift and tires aren’t standardized. The Gladiator’s wheelbase being 10-12” longer puts it at a disadvantage to the other three. |
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Posted: 3/29/2019 8:22:58 PM EST
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Are we sure it's not a Dodge Ram Rebel with the shitty seats and interior of a Jeep grafted onto the front?
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Posted: 3/29/2019 8:38:22 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sure, but that applies to all four trucks. The Gladiator’s wheelbase being 10-12” longer puts it at a disadvantage to the other three. |
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Posted: 3/29/2019 8:47:07 PM EST
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I've seen one every morning going to work for the last month.
Manufacturers test vehicles. Looks like a Honda Ridgeline. |
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Posted: 3/29/2019 9:38:08 PM EST
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37's ditch all the plastic and go flat metal fenders and metal bumpers and that thing will be just about right for light duty screwing around.
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Posted: 3/29/2019 11:10:13 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Except the gladiator is the only one that can fit 35s with minimal mods. It's not even a fair comparison. If you want a mid size with >33s, the Jeep is the only rational choice. Stock to stock the other trucks have a slight advantage on breakover. I don't care about stock trucks. And the Power Wagon is only a foot longer than the Gladiator. 
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Posted: 3/29/2019 11:32:50 PM EST
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Except the gladiator is the only one that can fit 35s with minimal mods. It's not even a fair comparison. If you want a mid size with >33s, the Jeep is the only rational choice. Stock to stock the other trucks have a slight advantage on breakover. I don't care about stock trucks. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Sure, but that applies to all four trucks. The Gladiator’s wheelbase being 10-12” longer puts it at a disadvantage to the other three. Now account for the fact that the Gladiator is almost guaranteed to be more expensive than its peers. Dollar for dollar, how hard would it be to put a Colorado or Ranger on similarly large tires? I don't have a dog in this fight, but from where I sit on the outside looking in, it looks like the Gladiator is at somewhat of an offroad disadvantage due to the wheelbase. |
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Posted: 3/29/2019 11:39:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's pretty much how all the sport models will look like. If you want it to look like the OP from the factory you have to go with the Rubicon . No price on them yet but I'm sure they will be over $50,000 Although the v6/T is a formidable combo the American truck driver wants, first and foremost, a v8 option. A larger bed is secondary on the list in my mind, this has neither. |
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Posted: 3/29/2019 11:44:00 PM EST
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The Honda Ridgeline is more of a truck than that thing.
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Posted: 3/29/2019 11:47:28 PM EST
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The Honda Ridgeline is more of a truck than that thing. |
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Posted: 3/29/2019 11:50:24 PM EST
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Sorry FCA but 50k will not move units when people can get a much larger and well appointed crew cab for the same price. I know, Jeep thing and GBPSE but seriously, 50k for a short bed jeep with no v8 option will only turn heads for mall crawler types. Although the v6/T is a formidable combo the American truck driver wants, first and foremost, a v8 option. A larger bed is secondary on the list in my mind, this has neither. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: That's pretty much how all the sport models will look like. If you want it to look like the OP from the factory you have to go with the Rubicon . No price on them yet but I'm sure they will be over $50,000 Although the v6/T is a formidable combo the American truck driver wants, first and foremost, a v8 option. A larger bed is secondary on the list in my mind, this has neither. Those can and do sell into the $50k range for Rubicons and Saharas. They start mid-$30k range for pretty basic models. Now add a bed and account for the fact that these will have even more of a cool factor, and yeah, a bunch of these are going to sell in the $50k range. |
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