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No big shock there from the Administration of “End of our 2nd Amendment Rights”. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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“Graham said that red flag laws did not violate the Second Amendment, but allowed family and friends to petition a judge to remove firearms from a person who poses a risk to themselves or others. “ "Nobody is going to come and take your guns," Graham said, "But at the same time, every right has limits." |
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Quoted: Now there is a reasonable response. Too bad you felt like you had to troll for a negative response first. Cruz has slid Left for some reason. I would not have thought him capable of being compromised. It will be interesting to see what promises were made to cause this. View Quote |
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No it sucks. Do you agree with me that Trump and his Administration should go scorched earth on the perpetrators of the attempted soft coup he had to endure for 2 years? Do you agree with me that people should be imprisoned for attempting this dishonest coup? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: I figured as much. The only fish you caught in your net was 40xb, congratulations I guess. Try harder. Meanwhile, Trump and Graham are beginning their focus on NRA approved .fed Red Flag laws. That's a good thing, right? Do you agree with me that Trump and his Administration should go scorched earth on the perpetrators of the attempted soft coup he had to endure for 2 years? Do you agree with me that people should be imprisoned for attempting this dishonest coup? |
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"Judiciary Committee Chairman Lindsey Graham began the hearing by praising Democratic Sen. Richard Blumenthal for his efforts in trying to pass gun control measures. Connecticut, Blumenthal's home state, is one of the first states to enact a red flag law." View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Quoted: I figured as much. The only fish you caught in your net was 40xb, congratulations I guess. Try harder. Meanwhile, Trump and Graham are beginning their focus on NRA approved .fed Red Flag laws. That's a good thing, right? Do you agree with me that Trump and his Administration should go scorched earth on the perpetrators of the attempted soft coup he had to endure for 2 years? Do you agree with me that people should be imprisoned for attempting this dishonest coup? Is this your way of saying that this talk of retribution legally by the Administration is all talk? But it should be done? |
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I voted for Cruz in the primaries as well. Cruz provides the reasonable standard for politicians and the 2nd Amendment. Cruz has flat out refused to support bumpstocks. He has been given endless opportunities to do so. If you can't win Ted Cruz on a 2A position, your position is unreasonable for most people. Including gun owners. You don't have to like it. You don't have to agree with the majority position. But you have to realize your expectations are unreasonable. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Why would I ban Sylvan for trolling? He wasn't trolling and I am smart enough to know he was making a point. I am honest enough to say that I voted for Cruz in the WI Primaries and then voted for Trump in the General election. Cruz has flat out refused to support bumpstocks. He has been given endless opportunities to do so. If you can't win Ted Cruz on a 2A position, your position is unreasonable for most people. Including gun owners. You don't have to like it. You don't have to agree with the majority position. But you have to realize your expectations are unreasonable. This hearing is live right now and David Kopel is there. |
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Quoted: Now there is a reasonable response. Too bad you felt like you had to troll for a negative response first. Cruz has slid Left for some reason. I would not have thought him capable of being compromised. It will be interesting to see what promises were made to cause this. View Quote Immigration, H1Bs, trade, etc. He is a politician. Maybe a better than most politician. But still a politician. Love him or hate him, Trump's greatest endorsement is that he is NOT a politician. |
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I figured you would dodge this important question...….why is that? Is this your way of saying that this talk of retribution legally by the Administration is all talk? But it should be done? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Quoted: Ted Cruz just stated in the Red Flag hearing that he could support Extreme Risk Protection Orders if done right. This hearing is live right now and David Kopel is there. View Quote 1. Testimony in support of ERPO must be sworn testimony. 2. Period in which firearms MUST be returned in the absence of evidence must be part of the law. No longer than 2 weeks or something like that. 3. a short period of time before which a hearing MUST be held where the gunowner can defend the accusations. like less than 96 hours. 4. In the absence of a criminal conviction firearms must be returned at the end of the court case. 5. Felony prosecution with minimum sentencing in case of false testimony. Can't meet those basic hurdles? GFYS. |
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I am more concerned with the illegal actions of Trump against our 2nd Amendment Rights and the current actions of Administration to further stomp on our Rights with Federal Law. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Ted Cruz just stated in the Red Flag hearing that he could support Extreme Risk Protection Orders if done right. This hearing is live right now and David Kopel is there. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Why would I ban Sylvan for trolling? He wasn't trolling and I am smart enough to know he was making a point. I am honest enough to say that I voted for Cruz in the WI Primaries and then voted for Trump in the General election. Cruz has flat out refused to support bumpstocks. He has been given endless opportunities to do so. If you can't win Ted Cruz on a 2A position, your position is unreasonable for most people. Including gun owners. You don't have to like it. You don't have to agree with the majority position. But you have to realize your expectations are unreasonable. This hearing is live right now and David Kopel is there. |
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Nikolas Cruz has 70 interactions with LEOs and 2 by the feds and nothing was done.
Most reasonable people can agree that was fucked up. How you fix that fuck up is a fair debate. First and foremost, this is NOT a federal issue and congress should have nothing to do with it. But that ship has sailed. |
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Nikolas Cruz has 70 interactions with LEOs and 2 by the feds and nothing was done. Most reasonable people can agree that was fucked up. How you fix that fuck up is a fair debate. First and foremost, this is NOT a federal issue and congress should have nothing to do with it. But that ship has sailed. View Quote |
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Nikolas Cruz has 70 interactions with LEOs and 2 by the feds and nothing was done. Most reasonable people can agree that was fucked up. How you fix that fuck up is a fair debate. First and foremost, this is NOT a federal issue and congress should have nothing to do with it. But that ship has sailed. View Quote |
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As will I. 1. Testimony in support of ERPO must be sworn testimony. 2. Period in which firearms MUST be returned in the absence of evidence must be part of the law. No longer than 2 weeks or something like that. 3. a short period of time before which a hearing MUST be held where the gunowner can defend the accusations. like less than 96 hours. 4. In the absence of a criminal conviction firearms must be returned at the end of the court case. 5. Felony prosecution with minimum sentencing in case of false testimony. Can't meet those basic hurdles? GFYS. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: Ted Cruz just stated in the Red Flag hearing that he could support Extreme Risk Protection Orders if done right. This hearing is live right now and David Kopel is there. 1. Testimony in support of ERPO must be sworn testimony. 2. Period in which firearms MUST be returned in the absence of evidence must be part of the law. No longer than 2 weeks or something like that. 3. a short period of time before which a hearing MUST be held where the gunowner can defend the accusations. like less than 96 hours. 4. In the absence of a criminal conviction firearms must be returned at the end of the court case. 5. Felony prosecution with minimum sentencing in case of false testimony. Can't meet those basic hurdles? GFYS. No knock confiscation is a real problem. Need strong civil remedies to recover attorneys fees and damages if wrongly accused. I would require additionally the surrender of any drivers license and vehicles if the person is deemed so dangerous. Kopel is doing well. |
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I am not watching. Is Cruz putting up a fight, or is he sucking Trump's cock, too? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Quoted: Grassley, Cruz, Ernst, Cornyn are all pretty much in concert with Graham. ERPOs could be a good thing if done right but are subject to massive abuse if done wrong. Shocking. "I'm far more enlightened than I was before," Graham said, adding that he hoped Congress would be able to come to a bipartisan agreement to help implement red flag laws in states. "I really can't see a reason why we can't pursue this at the federal level, to incentivize states," Graham said. |
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Nikolas Cruz has 70 interactions with LEOs and 2 by the feds and nothing was done. Most reasonable people can agree that was fucked up. How you fix that fuck up is a fair debate. First and foremost, this is NOT a federal issue and congress should have nothing to do with it. But that ship has sailed. View Quote And I agree any rules for the type of pro-active action taken against nutjobs like him should be both highly restricted and left up to individual states. |
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I am not watching. Is Cruz putting up a fight, or is he sucking Trump's cock, too? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: Sucking Trump’s cock. Choo-choo! Sorry, I just couldn't keep a straight face. Unlike the Donald Trump White Knight and Cheer Squad, folks with principles aren't wedded to a single personality and don't have any problem calling out a previously reliable politician when they deserve it. And Cruz deserves it. He needs to sack up and start being the Conservative he was. In fact, the other day, when I went to look up Mike Lee's rating on Conservative Review, I had seen that Cruz had dropped roughly 10 points and gone from an "A" score to a "B" since I had last looked a couple months ago. My first thought was, "WTF is Cruz's deal, he needs to unfuck himself," not, "Damn those EverTrumpers hurting Cruz's rep!" The only thing I can come up with is either he has been trying to look less polarizing due to his Senate race against Beta or, he thinks with Trump's approval rating holding steady that Trump's brand of Republicanism is what The People want. Both are wrong. I still think we'd be better off with Cruz in the White House than Trump right now. |
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I voted for Cruz in the primaries as well. Cruz provides the reasonable standard for politicians and the 2nd Amendment. Cruz has flat out refused to support bumpstocks. He has been given endless opportunities to do so. If you can't win Ted Cruz on a 2A position, your position is unreasonable for most people. Including gun owners. You don't have to like it. You don't have to agree with the majority position. But you have to realize your expectations are unreasonable. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Why would I ban Sylvan for trolling? He wasn't trolling and I am smart enough to know he was making a point. I am honest enough to say that I voted for Cruz in the WI Primaries and then voted for Trump in the General election. Cruz has flat out refused to support bumpstocks. He has been given endless opportunities to do so. If you can't win Ted Cruz on a 2A position, your position is unreasonable for most people. Including gun owners. You don't have to like it. You don't have to agree with the majority position. But you have to realize your expectations are unreasonable. The only other Republicans I trust to remain Conservative and not change their ideals with the changing winds is Rand Paul and Mike Lee. That's why it's frustrating to have debates here when people are constantly trying to troll with "You're frustrated with Trump, you must then like __________ (insert Warren, Sanders, Clinton, etc..)" No, I want an actual conservative in charge like Cruz/Paul/Lee....someone that truly wants to make America better, not simply self-promotion, empty promises, constant whining on twitter, or "trolling libs." |
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Quoted: Grassley, Cruz, Ernst, Cornyn are all pretty much in concert with Graham. ERPOs could be a good thing if done right but are subject to massive abuse if done wrong. Shocking. You might be able to see it here now as it looks like a recorded version is now up. Starts about 10 minutes into the video. https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/meetings/red-flag-laws-examining-guidelines-for-state-action |
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Sorry, there's no blame for Cruz here. He's only listening to what the NRA says. And he's probably making an awesome deal, going along with Trump on this, to get something even better for gun owners down the road, like government surplus crew served weapons. Sorry, I just couldn't keep a straight face. Unlike the Donald Trump White Knight and Cheer Squad, folks with principles aren't wedded to a single personality and don't have any problem calling out a previously reliable politician when they deserve it. And Cruz deserves it. He needs to sack up and start being the Conservative he was. In fact, the other day, when I went to look up Mike Lee's rating on Conservative Review, I had seen that Cruz had dropped roughly 10 points and gone from an "A" score to a "B" since I had last looked a couple months ago. My first thought was, "WTF is Cruz's deal, he needs to unfuck himself," not, "Damn those EverTrumpers hurting Cruz's rep!" The only thing I can come up with is either he has been trying to look less polarizing due to his Senate race against Beta or, he thinks with Trump's approval rating holding steady that Trump's brand of Republicanism is what The People want. Both are wrong. I still think we'd be better off with Cruz in the White House than Trump right now. View Quote well, thats useful |
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It’s over. "I'm far more enlightened than I was before," Graham said, adding that he hoped Congress would be able to come to a bipartisan agreement to help implement red flag laws in states. "I really can't see a reason why we can't pursue this at the federal level, to incentivize states," Graham said. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Graham's up for reelection in 2020. The second he says something derogatory about Trump he'd have Cleetus Van Damme mounting a primary challenge wearing full Confederate battle-rattle.
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Sorry, there's no blame for Cruz here. He's only listening to what the NRA says. And he's probably making an awesome deal, going along with Trump on this, to get something even better for gun owners down the road, like government surplus crew served weapons. Sorry, I just couldn't keep a straight face. Unlike the Donald Trump White Knight and Cheer Squad, folks with principles aren't wedded to a single personality and don't have any problem calling out a previously reliable politician when they deserve it. And Cruz deserves it. He needs to sack up and start being the Conservative he was. In fact, the other day, when I went to look up Mike Lee's rating on Conservative Review, I had seen that Cruz had dropped roughly 10 points and gone from an "A" score to a "B" since I had last looked a couple months ago. My first thought was, "WTF is Cruz's deal, he needs to unfuck himself," not, "Damn those EverTrumpers hurting Cruz's rep!" The only thing I can come up with is either he has been trying to look less polarizing due to his Senate race against Beta or, he thinks with Trump's approval rating holding steady that Trump's brand of Republicanism is what The People want. Both are wrong. I still think we'd be better off with Cruz in the White House than Trump right now. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Quoted: Sucking Trump’s cock. Choo-choo! Sorry, I just couldn't keep a straight face. Unlike the Donald Trump White Knight and Cheer Squad, folks with principles aren't wedded to a single personality and don't have any problem calling out a previously reliable politician when they deserve it. And Cruz deserves it. He needs to sack up and start being the Conservative he was. In fact, the other day, when I went to look up Mike Lee's rating on Conservative Review, I had seen that Cruz had dropped roughly 10 points and gone from an "A" score to a "B" since I had last looked a couple months ago. My first thought was, "WTF is Cruz's deal, he needs to unfuck himself," not, "Damn those EverTrumpers hurting Cruz's rep!" The only thing I can come up with is either he has been trying to look less polarizing due to his Senate race against Beta or, he thinks with Trump's approval rating holding steady that Trump's brand of Republicanism is what The People want. Both are wrong. I still think we'd be better off with Cruz in the White House than Trump right now. |
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so you are only voting for unicorns. well, thats useful View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Sorry, there's no blame for Cruz here. He's only listening to what the NRA says. And he's probably making an awesome deal, going along with Trump on this, to get something even better for gun owners down the road, like government surplus crew served weapons. Sorry, I just couldn't keep a straight face. Unlike the Donald Trump White Knight and Cheer Squad, folks with principles aren't wedded to a single personality and don't have any problem calling out a previously reliable politician when they deserve it. And Cruz deserves it. He needs to sack up and start being the Conservative he was. In fact, the other day, when I went to look up Mike Lee's rating on Conservative Review, I had seen that Cruz had dropped roughly 10 points and gone from an "A" score to a "B" since I had last looked a couple months ago. My first thought was, "WTF is Cruz's deal, he needs to unfuck himself," not, "Damn those EverTrumpers hurting Cruz's rep!" The only thing I can come up with is either he has been trying to look less polarizing due to his Senate race against Beta or, he thinks with Trump's approval rating holding steady that Trump's brand of Republicanism is what The People want. Both are wrong. I still think we'd be better off with Cruz in the White House than Trump right now. well, thats useful I'm principled and realistic, applying my principles in primary races (since that's what they're for) and voting to mitigate the almost always unavoidable damage in Generals, same as I always have. I can honestly say I've never had the opportunity to vote in a General election for a candidate, only against the worse alternative. |
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I really can't stand Graham. Him and McConnell have some of the must punch-able personalities/faces in Congress. Someone should write a Disney movie about the two as they go on adventures together: "Tales of Southern Belle and Mitch the Turtle." View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Maybe throw in Fauxcahauntas and sAOCagawea and the Green Tea Express. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I love watching you sad fucks try to deflect two years of dedicated trolling
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