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Posted: 6/11/2020 2:10:36 PM EDT
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In on Fo.
damn....I missed Fo. |
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Posted: 6/11/2020 2:17:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: TFL got their hands on some big leaks. Here's the 7 speed manual with a crawler gear: https://www.tflcar.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/2021-ford-bronco-manual-transmission-7-speed-1024x924.jpg Here are controls for a sway bar disconnect as well as rear and FRONT lockers: https://www.tflcar.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/bronco-switches-1024x634.jpg IFS is confirmed as is the 2.3L EB. TFL got their dicks slapped for publishing this... "*UPDATE 6/11/2020: Since we posted this story, Ford has disinvited TFL from the upcoming reveal events for the Bronco and F-150. As a result, we will not be covering those models as we originally intended, but do have another update coming very soon, so stay tuned!" More photos and details at the link: https://www.tflcar.com/2020/06/2021-ford-bronco-more-manual-details/ rear AND front lockers ???? fucking nice man |
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Posted: 6/11/2020 2:25:43 PM EDT
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The crawl gear a gamechanger?? Cool feature but it depends on what Fords transfercase ratio is. The rubicon Xfer is 4:1 which gives 1st gear:
JK 59:1 (auto) 73:1(manual) JL 77:1 (auto) 84:1 (manual) Then again it could solve the constant xfer case shifting for those rubicon owners where 4:1 is too low to run trails with their non-rubi friends. That crawl gear, lockers AND electric disco shows Ford is finally serious about competing with Jeep. IFS will always be an area of contention amongst hardcore purists, but this new bronco has my attention now. |
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Posted: 6/11/2020 2:29:33 PM EDT
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Just saw this. Wonder if that "leak" from TFL was all part of the plan.
https://www.motor1.com/news/428114/ford-says-bronco-superior-to-wrangler/ |
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Posted: 6/11/2020 2:38:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just saw this. Wonder if that "leak" from TFL was all part of the plan. https://www.motor1.com/news/428114/ford-says-bronco-superior-to-wrangler/ I don't think Ford would be stomping on TFL's nuts if this wasn't a legit, unwanted leak. Most of the "leaks" aren't, but I think this one was. As far as that bit of non-news, I read somewhere earlier this week that statement was made in some kind of internal call. |
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Posted: 6/11/2020 2:40:35 PM EDT
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Quoted: The crawl gear a gamechanger?? Cool feature but it depends on what Fords transfercase ratio is. The rubicon Xfer is 4:1 which gives 1st gear: JK 59:1 (auto) 73:1(manual) JL 77:1 (auto) 84:1 (manual) Then again it could solve the constant xfer case shifting for those rubicon owners where 4:1 is too low to run trails with their non-rubi friends. That crawl gear, lockers AND electric disco shows Ford is finally serious about competing with Jeep. IFS will always be an area of contention amongst hardcore purists, but this new bronco has my attention now. Having the crawl be on the Transmission opens up a bunch of possibilities. You can go to bigger tires without the immediate need to regear. You can stay in 4hi more often You can even use it in 2wd which actually comes in handy I had a three speed with low in a F250 and liked it but it needed overdrive. This transmission would give you just about any option you need. |
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Posted: 6/11/2020 2:44:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Aaaaaand that's the end of the 4Runner. ETA: Toyota is absolutely capable of designing the 6th gen to compete with this, but they won't. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: TFL got their hands on some big leaks. Here's the 7 speed manual with a crawler gear: https://www.tflcar.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/2021-ford-bronco-manual-transmission-7-speed-1024x924.jpg Here are controls for a sway bar disconnect as well as rear and FRONT lockers: https://www.tflcar.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/bronco-switches-1024x634.jpg IFS is confirmed as is the 2.3L EB. TFL got their dicks slapped for publishing this... "*UPDATE 6/11/2020: Since we posted this story, Ford has disinvited TFL from the upcoming reveal events for the Bronco and F-150. As a result, we will not be covering those models as we originally intended, but do have another update coming very soon, so stay tuned!" More photos and details at the link: https://www.tflcar.com/2020/06/2021-ford-bronco-more-manual-details/ Aaaaaand that's the end of the 4Runner. ETA: Toyota is absolutely capable of designing the 6th gen to compete with this, but they won't. RIP muh 4runner |
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Posted: 6/11/2020 4:14:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That crawl gear, lockers AND electric disco shows Ford is finally serious about competing with Jeep. IFS will always be an area of contention amongst hardcore purists, but this new bronco has my attention now. IMO it looks like it a squarely aimed at the Overland crowd (and average consumers). Plenty of those guys running JKU's and JLU's (along with various Toyota models that are also very comparable) could switch to this and be just fine for their off-road desires. Might not go toe to toe with a Rubicon on the Rubicon but it will handle every weekend camping trip or week(s) long "overland" trips and probably be the most capable from the factory. That's probably a smart play. A real toe to toe competitor for Jeep probably isn't enough to be successful, it would have to truly be better to convince most Jeep guys to consider it. Going after the increasingly popular overland crowd where there is more product diversity is probably best. |
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Posted: 6/11/2020 4:28:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: RIP muh 4runner Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: TFL got their hands on some big leaks. Here's the 7 speed manual with a crawler gear: https://www.tflcar.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/2021-ford-bronco-manual-transmission-7-speed-1024x924.jpg Here are controls for a sway bar disconnect as well as rear and FRONT lockers: https://www.tflcar.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/bronco-switches-1024x634.jpg IFS is confirmed as is the 2.3L EB. TFL got their dicks slapped for publishing this... "*UPDATE 6/11/2020: Since we posted this story, Ford has disinvited TFL from the upcoming reveal events for the Bronco and F-150. As a result, we will not be covering those models as we originally intended, but do have another update coming very soon, so stay tuned!" More photos and details at the link: https://www.tflcar.com/2020/06/2021-ford-bronco-more-manual-details/ Aaaaaand that's the end of the 4Runner. ETA: Toyota is absolutely capable of designing the 6th gen to compete with this, but they won't. RIP muh 4runner This has a lot going for it, but GDI on that 4 cylinder turbo is already got issues. Also I assume Ford will come in at a price point higher than anyone else... because they are Ford. It will be good competition for jeep and the 4 runner though. I do think it is a good move overall but they could have given it a duratech v6 option. Other than the water pump the 3.5/3.7 is pretty solid mill. |
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Posted: 6/11/2020 4:40:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: rear AND front lockers ???? fucking nice man Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: TFL got their hands on some big leaks. Here's the 7 speed manual with a crawler gear: https://www.tflcar.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/2021-ford-bronco-manual-transmission-7-speed-1024x924.jpg Here are controls for a sway bar disconnect as well as rear and FRONT lockers: https://www.tflcar.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/bronco-switches-1024x634.jpg IFS is confirmed as is the 2.3L EB. TFL got their dicks slapped for publishing this... "*UPDATE 6/11/2020: Since we posted this story, Ford has disinvited TFL from the upcoming reveal events for the Bronco and F-150. As a result, we will not be covering those models as we originally intended, but do have another update coming very soon, so stay tuned!" More photos and details at the link: https://www.tflcar.com/2020/06/2021-ford-bronco-more-manual-details/ rear AND front lockers ???? fucking nice man |
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Posted: 6/11/2020 4:48:52 PM EDT
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They are going to rapidly steal the limelight from the Gladiator.
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Posted: 6/11/2020 5:01:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This has a lot going for it, but GDI on that 4 cylinder turbo is already got issues. Also I assume Ford will come in at a price point higher than anyone else... because they are Ford. It will be good competition for jeep and the 4 runner though. I do think it is a good move overall but they could have given it a duratech v6 option. Other than the water pump the 3.5/3.7 is pretty solid mill. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: TFL got their hands on some big leaks. Here's the 7 speed manual with a crawler gear: https://www.tflcar.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/2021-ford-bronco-manual-transmission-7-speed-1024x924.jpg Here are controls for a sway bar disconnect as well as rear and FRONT lockers: https://www.tflcar.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/bronco-switches-1024x634.jpg IFS is confirmed as is the 2.3L EB. TFL got their dicks slapped for publishing this... "*UPDATE 6/11/2020: Since we posted this story, Ford has disinvited TFL from the upcoming reveal events for the Bronco and F-150. As a result, we will not be covering those models as we originally intended, but do have another update coming very soon, so stay tuned!" More photos and details at the link: https://www.tflcar.com/2020/06/2021-ford-bronco-more-manual-details/ Aaaaaand that's the end of the 4Runner. ETA: Toyota is absolutely capable of designing the 6th gen to compete with this, but they won't. RIP muh 4runner This has a lot going for it, but GDI on that 4 cylinder turbo is already got issues. Also I assume Ford will come in at a price point higher than anyone else... because they are Ford. It will be good competition for jeep and the 4 runner though. I do think it is a good move overall but they could have given it a duratech v6 option. Other than the water pump the 3.5/3.7 is pretty solid mill. It does? I haven't heard/noticed any complaints about that engine in the Mustang or Ranger. |
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Posted: 6/11/2020 5:09:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Tacoma is good context for this conversation. The 3rd gen Tacoma launched on the wrong foot, the drivetrain is unpopular, and it lags most of the segment in both capabilities and features. Despite all of that, it's still by far the best selling vehicle in that segment, and it's probably still the safest bet. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: TFL got their hands on some big leaks. Here's the 7 speed manual with a crawler gear: https://www.tflcar.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/2021-ford-bronco-manual-transmission-7-speed-1024x924.jpg Here are controls for a sway bar disconnect as well as rear and FRONT lockers: https://www.tflcar.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/bronco-switches-1024x634.jpg IFS is confirmed as is the 2.3L EB. TFL got their dicks slapped for publishing this... "*UPDATE 6/11/2020: Since we posted this story, Ford has disinvited TFL from the upcoming reveal events for the Bronco and F-150. As a result, we will not be covering those models as we originally intended, but do have another update coming very soon, so stay tuned!" More photos and details at the link: https://www.tflcar.com/2020/06/2021-ford-bronco-more-manual-details/ Aaaaaand that's the end of the 4Runner. ETA: Toyota is absolutely capable of designing the 6th gen to compete with this, but they won't. I'm not sure I'd go that far. The 4Runner enjoys a reputation for being a very high quality and reliable vehicle, and it doesn't have the massive capability drawbacks its pickup truck siblings have compared to their competitors. The biggest question for the next gen 4Runner is what will be under the hood. The existing engine won't be carried over. The Tacoma's drivetrain isn't very popular and would likely be even worse in the 4Runner, but I'm not sure I see it getting the 3.5L turbo that's rumored/planned for the Tundra. I guess I just don't see where it fits in the market now. Hardcore off-roaders almost always went for a Jeep anyway, now they'll have the new Bronco as a legitimate alternative instead of looking to the 4Runner. The guys chasing Instagram clicks are gonna snatch up the Bronco no matter what since it's now the new-hotness. All the die-hard Toyota fans probably already bought theirs over the last 10 years and with the lack of updates there's no real reason for them to buy new ones. When they designed the 3rd Gen Tacoma they phoned it in because they knew it had no viable competition and people would buy it just because it was a Toyota. They probably could have gotten away with doing that with the 6th Gen 4Runner until Ford decided to build a proper Bronco. ETA: I love my 2015 4Runner, but if I could afford it I would absolutely look into trading it for a new Bronco. The Tacoma is good context for this conversation. The 3rd gen Tacoma launched on the wrong foot, the drivetrain is unpopular, and it lags most of the segment in both capabilities and features. Despite all of that, it's still by far the best selling vehicle in that segment, and it's probably still the safest bet. Maybe I'm not as in-tune with the Toyotabro mindset as I think I am 
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Posted: 6/11/2020 5:13:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Trophy trucks run spools in the rear and a variation of an LSD up front. Yes the raptor is a wannabe “prerunner” styled truck, but it’s their most expensive and capable model, akin to the rubicon trim in the wrangler. The ranger raptor does run a rear locker (overseas) but an open front diff, I’d expect the same from the bronco. The large tires, increased suspension travel and lower gearing would be nice even with an open front diff. Lockers aren’t only for crawling, they are good for any traction limited situation, sand, mud, etc. What? Trophy trucks are RWD. No front diff. Stadium trucks are not trophy trucks. |
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Posted: 6/11/2020 5:22:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Having the crawl be on the Transmission opens up a bunch of possibilities. You can go to bigger tires without the immediate need to regear. You can stay in 4hi more often You can even use it in 2wd which actually comes in handy I had a three speed with low in a F250 and liked it but it needed overdrive. This transmission would give you just about any option you need. If rather have a multi speed transfer case than a crawl gear. You can get Low, lower, then double them up for super low. Bonus points would be awarded ability to use the low range in 2wd. But a dedicated crawler gear is a good effective solution. The 4:1 is my 1 dislike of the rubicon’s, it’s great for 1 thing only and that’s going really slow, which is really only good for extreme obstacles. Or a crutch if you don’t regear when you get larger tires. |
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Posted: 6/11/2020 5:48:45 PM EDT
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I've been keeping a close eye on the painfully slow and gradual tidbits coming out about the Bronco, and I'm a Jeep guy. So far I'm liking everything I see besides the IFS and electronic transfer case switch. I may wait until the Bronco is on the road (and trails) for a little while before I make a final decision on a Jeep Gladiator to replace my JK Wrangler. I will still have my built TJ Unlimited as back-up if I decide to buy my first Ford.
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Posted: 6/11/2020 5:56:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: electronic transfer case switch. Why would they go all-in on everything else and drop the ball on something that simple? |
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Posted: 6/11/2020 6:17:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have to admit, I have loved all the "but IFS" and "jeeps can get front lockers". If these leaks are true, Ford has really come through on this thing. I get that some may not like the looks, but it appears Ford may be doing a good job of melding 4x4 capability with modern tech. That will be a big winner. I would make a comment about price, but it really wont matter. Ppl are lining up to buy $40-50k jeeps, so as long as this thing doesnt crush past that, price wont matter. I want to buy one just to reward a company for doing the right thing and not slapping an iconic name on a karenmobile. As well as, imo, staying pretty well true to concept. Instead of Jeep "Haha look we made a Jeep with 2 hemis for the show you'll never get anything remotely similar to this kthxbye" |
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Posted: 6/11/2020 6:33:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why would they go all-in on everything else and drop the ball on something that simple? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: electronic transfer case switch. Why would they go all-in on everything else and drop the ball on something that simple? Electronic t case selectors have been standard in basically everything for years now. |
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Posted: 6/11/2020 6:36:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Electronic t case selectors have been standard in basically everything for years now. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: electronic transfer case switch. Why would they go all-in on everything else and drop the ball on something that simple? Electronic t case selectors have been standard in basically everything for years now. Wranglers have a lever. Power Wagons have a lever. Trims of the 4Runner have a lever. No reason for an off-road oriented vehicle to not have a lever. |
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Posted: 6/11/2020 7:12:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: TFL got their hands on some big leaks. Here's the 7 speed manual with a crawler gear: https://www.tflcar.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/2021-ford-bronco-manual-transmission-7-speed-1024x924.jpg Here are controls for a sway bar disconnect as well as rear and FRONT lockers: https://www.tflcar.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/bronco-switches-1024x634.jpg IFS is confirmed as is the 2.3L EB. TFL got their dicks slapped for publishing this... "*UPDATE 6/11/2020: Since we posted this story, Ford has disinvited TFL from the upcoming reveal events for the Bronco and F-150. As a result, we will not be covering those models as we originally intended, but do have another update coming very soon, so stay tuned!" More photos and details at the link: https://www.tflcar.com/2020/06/2021-ford-bronco-more-manual-details/ WOW!  If this shit is true, it just might be real competition for the Wrangler. Even as a Jeep guy, I would love that! It could force Jeep to up their game. I am tired of "special editions". If Ford does well with the Bronco, read: takes market share from Jeep, then who else will take the plunge? |
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Posted: 6/11/2020 7:15:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wranglers have a lever. Power Wagons have a lever. Trims of the 4Runner have a lever. No reason for an off-road oriented vehicle to not have a lever. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: electronic transfer case switch. Why would they go all-in on everything else and drop the ball on something that simple? Electronic t case selectors have been standard in basically everything for years now. Wranglers have a lever. Power Wagons have a lever. Trims of the 4Runner have a lever. No reason for an off-road oriented vehicle to not have a lever. How many of those levers have actual physical linkages? More and more transmissions are shifted electronically, even if there's some kind of shift lever. The lever is just a big, expensive, space wasting electronic switch. |
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Posted: 6/11/2020 7:21:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How many of those levers have actual physical linkages? More and more transmissions are shifted electronically, even if there's some kind of shift lever. The lever is just a big, expensive, space wasting electronic switch. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: electronic transfer case switch. Why would they go all-in on everything else and drop the ball on something that simple? Electronic t case selectors have been standard in basically everything for years now. Wranglers have a lever. Power Wagons have a lever. Trims of the 4Runner have a lever. No reason for an off-road oriented vehicle to not have a lever. How many of those levers have actual physical linkages? More and more transmissions are shifted electronically, even if there's some kind of shift lever. The lever is just a big, expensive, space wasting electronic switch. For the transfer case, they all do. My 4Runner's knob jiggles like a fat chick on a Harley. |
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Posted: 6/11/2020 7:23:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The biggest technical tidbit I saw in the video that we haven't covered is that at least one trim gets tires that are 305/70R17s. That calculates to roughly 34" in diameter and 12" wide with 8.4" of sidewall. |
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Posted: 6/11/2020 7:29:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For the transfer case, they all do. My 4Runner's knob jiggles like a fat chick on a Harley. |
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Posted: 6/11/2020 7:32:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For the transfer case, they all do. My 4Runner's knob jiggles like a fat chick on a Harley. This is a good reason to carry an OBD2 tool with you. I use a BT one and torque on my phone. |
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Posted: 6/11/2020 7:34:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How many of those levers have actual physical linkages? More and more transmissions are shifted electronically, even if there's some kind of shift lever. The lever is just a big, expensive, space wasting electronic switch. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: electronic transfer case switch. Why would they go all-in on everything else and drop the ball on something that simple? Electronic t case selectors have been standard in basically everything for years now. Wranglers have a lever. Power Wagons have a lever. Trims of the 4Runner have a lever. No reason for an off-road oriented vehicle to not have a lever. How many of those levers have actual physical linkages? More and more transmissions are shifted electronically, even if there's some kind of shift lever. The lever is just a big, expensive, space wasting electronic switch. Transmissions, yes. However, if a transfer case has a manual lever, more than likely it's a real lever with linkage. |
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Posted: 6/11/2020 7:36:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have the same and I get that its cool, but its still relies on electrical switches and relays inside the transfer case. We just got a big switch bolted to the case. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: For the transfer case, they all do. My 4Runner's knob jiggles like a fat chick on a Harley. Negative. The only thing electronically actuated on the Trails/TRD Off Road/TRD Pro is the disconnect for the front axle. The transfer case is manually shifted via the lever. |
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Posted: 6/11/2020 7:42:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Negative. The only thing electronically actuated on the Trails/TRD Off Road/TRD Pro is the disconnect for the front axle. The transfer case is manually shifted via the lever. |
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Posted: 6/11/2020 7:42:41 PM EDT
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This looks promising. Still, I never drove a Bronco in the past that wasn't a complete piece of shit. It had some off-road prowess, but it was built like absolute junk.
Looking forward to seeing the debut |
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Posted: 6/11/2020 7:44:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That is not how its explained on T4R. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Negative. The only thing electronically actuated on the Trails/TRD Off Road/TRD Pro is the disconnect for the front axle. The transfer case is manually shifted via the lever. That's exactly how it's explained there, because I just double-checked. They have two different transfer cases, the SR5 has a big electronic actuator on the back, and the Trails/TRD Off Road/TRD Pros do not. If you don't believe me try to engage 4-low while you're still moving, think they have some sort of contraption in there that simulates the noises and movements of a transfer case about to turn it's insides into outsides 
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Posted: 6/11/2020 7:46:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That is not how its explained on T4R. |
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Posted: 6/11/2020 7:54:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: RIP muh 4runner Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: TFL got their hands on some big leaks. Here's the 7 speed manual with a crawler gear: https://www.tflcar.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/2021-ford-bronco-manual-transmission-7-speed-1024x924.jpg Here are controls for a sway bar disconnect as well as rear and FRONT lockers: https://www.tflcar.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/bronco-switches-1024x634.jpg IFS is confirmed as is the 2.3L EB. TFL got their dicks slapped for publishing this... "*UPDATE 6/11/2020: Since we posted this story, Ford has disinvited TFL from the upcoming reveal events for the Bronco and F-150. As a result, we will not be covering those models as we originally intended, but do have another update coming very soon, so stay tuned!" More photos and details at the link: https://www.tflcar.com/2020/06/2021-ford-bronco-more-manual-details/ Aaaaaand that's the end of the 4Runner. ETA: Toyota is absolutely capable of designing the 6th gen to compete with this, but they won't. RIP muh 4runner Still set on grabbing a ORP 4Runner next year before the 6th gen comes out Am i interested in the Bronco? Yes but still strong on the 4Runner as my purchase |
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Posted: 6/11/2020 7:55:49 PM EDT
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Where's all the people who said it would just be a Ford version of the Rav4?
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Posted: 6/11/2020 10:07:07 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Where's all the people who said it would just be a Ford version of the Rav4? Jacking off to this thread in the front seat of their Sportage |
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Posted: 6/11/2020 10:09:26 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If rather have a multi speed transfer case than a crawl gear. You can get Low, lower, then double them up for super low. Bonus points would be awarded ability to use the low range in 2wd. But a dedicated crawler gear is a good effective solution. The 4:1 is my 1 dislike of the rubicon’s, it’s great for 1 thing only and that’s going really slow, which is really only good for extreme obstacles. Or a crutch if you don’t regear when you get larger tires. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Having the crawl be on the Transmission opens up a bunch of possibilities. You can go to bigger tires without the immediate need to regear. You can stay in 4hi more often You can even use it in 2wd which actually comes in handy I had a three speed with low in a F250 and liked it but it needed overdrive. This transmission would give you just about any option you need. If rather have a multi speed transfer case than a crawl gear. You can get Low, lower, then double them up for super low. Bonus points would be awarded ability to use the low range in 2wd. But a dedicated crawler gear is a good effective solution. The 4:1 is my 1 dislike of the rubicon’s, it’s great for 1 thing only and that’s going really slow, which is really only good for extreme obstacles. Or a crutch if you don’t regear when you get larger tires. This has 4hi 4low and the crawl gear. The crawl gear is already going to be like 2 low. |
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Posted: 6/11/2020 10:10:27 PM EDT
[#37]
My Tacoma may get traded in for the second year model Bronco. I'm really liking this so far.
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Posted: 6/11/2020 10:31:13 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It does? I haven't heard/noticed any complaints about that engine in the Mustang or Ranger. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: TFL got their hands on some big leaks. Here's the 7 speed manual with a crawler gear: https://www.tflcar.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/2021-ford-bronco-manual-transmission-7-speed-1024x924.jpg Here are controls for a sway bar disconnect as well as rear and FRONT lockers: https://www.tflcar.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/bronco-switches-1024x634.jpg IFS is confirmed as is the 2.3L EB. TFL got their dicks slapped for publishing this... "*UPDATE 6/11/2020: Since we posted this story, Ford has disinvited TFL from the upcoming reveal events for the Bronco and F-150. As a result, we will not be covering those models as we originally intended, but do have another update coming very soon, so stay tuned!" More photos and details at the link: https://www.tflcar.com/2020/06/2021-ford-bronco-more-manual-details/ Aaaaaand that's the end of the 4Runner. ETA: Toyota is absolutely capable of designing the 6th gen to compete with this, but they won't. RIP muh 4runner This has a lot going for it, but GDI on that 4 cylinder turbo is already got issues. Also I assume Ford will come in at a price point higher than anyone else... because they are Ford. It will be good competition for jeep and the 4 runner though. I do think it is a good move overall but they could have given it a duratech v6 option. Other than the water pump the 3.5/3.7 is pretty solid mill. It does? I haven't heard/noticed any complaints about that engine in the Mustang or Ranger. Serious problems on Mustangs... go over to the Mustang owners forum and search for carbon deposits. The GDI causes excessive carbon buildup on the intake vales. Well the excessive blow by from the PCV carried out through the intake causes cabarbon buildup. There is actually a whole slew of products to "decarbon" 2.3 ecoboost every 10k miles but Ford reccomeds against using them claiming the engine should be taken apart and cleaned. They have also had several batches of the 2.3L manufactured with incorrect head gaskets that started leaking. |
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Posted: 6/11/2020 10:53:32 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Same. Especially if the roof is removable.  I wouldn't hold out for that as stock, but possibly an option. All that padded vinyl and poorly inserted bow just covers up what likely is a standard rollover spec steel roof. |
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Posted: 6/11/2020 11:03:18 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That just made me mildly hard. This is coming from a jeep guy. If this stuff proves to be true jeep is gonna have a competitor. I am a Jeep guy, and I agree. Jeep has needed some stiff competition. |
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Posted: 6/11/2020 11:16:19 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Aaaaaand that's the end of the 4Runner. |
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Posted: 6/11/2020 11:22:28 PM EDT
[#42]
I cut my teeth off roading in a 77 Bronco with a three speed auto, never considered a manual an advantage or even desirable off road. Hope they have the cooling figured out.
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Posted: 6/11/2020 11:27:27 PM EDT
[#43]
I wish Ford didn't suck a cock... two door looks kinda tasty
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Posted: 6/11/2020 11:35:28 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: IMO it looks like it a squarely aimed at the Overland crowd (and average consumers). Plenty of those guys running JKU's and JLU's (along with various Toyota models that are also very comparable) could switch to this and be just fine for their off-road desires. Might not go toe to toe with a Rubicon on the Rubicon but it will handle every weekend camping trip or week(s) long "overland" trips and probably be the most capable from the factory. That's probably a smart play. A real toe to toe competitor for Jeep probably isn't enough to be successful, it would have to truly be better to convince most Jeep guys to consider it. Going after the increasingly popular overland crowd where there is more product diversity is probably best. Jeep has a tremendous aftermarket. It is going to take a while before the Bronco will threaten the Jeep market share. |
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Posted: 6/11/2020 11:44:36 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't think Ford would be stomping on TFL's nuts if this wasn't a legit, unwanted leak. Most of the "leaks" aren't, but I think this one was. As far as that bit of non-news, I read somewhere earlier this week that statement was made in some kind of internal call. Maybe. Kind of odd that they would get video of a test mule while they are out driving (while getting a thumbs up from the driver) and exclusive leaks in the same week. Ford being “pissed” and banning them from the debut is just cover so they don’t catch shit for favoritism from other outlets. |
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Posted: 6/11/2020 11:50:25 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Jeep has a tremendous aftermarket. It is going to take a while before the Bronco will threaten the Jeep market share. If the Bronco is what it appears to be, the aftermarket is going to start cranking shit out. Especially overland style stuff. Any new product runs into the aftermarket issue, I'm sure they'll be fine. |
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Posted: 6/12/2020 1:19:16 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Where's all the people who said it would just be a Ford version of the Rav4? Well, we're half right  Attached File |
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Posted: 6/12/2020 1:45:52 AM EDT
[#48]
Ooooooooo!! No pics of the tow truck/winch it out What does this do that a Jeep can't?? 
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Posted: 6/12/2020 2:15:52 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This has 4hi 4low and the crawl gear. The crawl gear is already going to be like 2 low. I was referring to a 4spd transfer case which would give you 4wd hi, 4 low, 4 even lower, then you can double up your 2 different low gears to go even lower. And if it had the option of selecting 2 or 4wd you could get all those ranges in 2wd. So say you want to cruise along in 4 low on a muddy trail ride - you use the (just using easy numbers here) the 2.5:1 low. You want to go crawling you choose the 4:1 low, you get to a really extreme obstacle you can shift to the doubled low range of 10:1. |
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Posted: 6/12/2020 2:45:25 AM EDT
[#50]
Interesting. Only things I don't like is the IFS, EB engine, and an asking price that is probably way too high for what it is.
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