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Posted: 2/23/2024 11:15:34 AM EST
[#1]
I've had plenty of teachers at my building tell me the same thing. People think we're living Idiocracy now, it's gonna get waaaaay worse.
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Posted: 2/23/2024 11:15:57 AM EST
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My wife teaches high school Family and Consumer Sciences (aka Home Economics).
Many of her students are completely unmotivated. In an elective class. They do no work, assuming they even show up. I think some of her Culinary Arts classes have maybe half of the class that can even do the in-kitchen labs, because the other half hasn't completed the safety requirements. |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 11:18:00 AM EST
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Not a new thing. I graduated in 2000 and there were people who had a lot of problems with that stuff also. The teachers also refused to help any white boys because the Mexican kids were “disadvantaged.” And needed the help more. Which Ironically those people and the black kids cared about education the least. The kids that did care about education the most were the white and Asian kids. You can draw your own conclusions.
The public schools. And now a lot of private schools want you broke, illiterate, gay and somehow voting democrat even though you cannot read the ballot. At this point sending your kids to public school is child abuse. |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 11:19:52 AM EST
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GD is well within the bell curve.
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Posted: 2/23/2024 11:21:12 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No child left behind. As a parent with kids in school, we should be separating out the dummies and the violent ones from the well-behaved kids who just want to learn. And the really smart overachievers should have advanced classes. That’s my philosophy after 6 years working in a public school. |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 11:21:20 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe that teacher needs to fail her students from attending the next grade Can't have 16-year-olds still in third grade, need to keep them moving so they don't pile up. |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 11:22:07 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And teachers think they should be paid more. lol Sounds like the education system is failing the children. Believe it or not, while many teachers are misguided and some are just evil, most teachers deserve better and and many are awesome. The system is a total and complete failure and should be scrapped. I'm working with juniors and seniors that are functionally illiterate and don't have any desire to improve. There are individual teachers standing against that tide, but their effect is limited to to a few students each. |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 11:23:22 AM EST
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Nothin new.
I graduated high school in ‘98 and my graduating class was roughly 1/4 of what we were freshman year. |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 11:23:55 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: GD is well within the bell curve. Squash the center. Not really a normal distribution up in here. |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 11:24:26 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I can’t do anything of those things and I have a Masters degree Nothing personal, but if you can't subtract 13 from 27, or divide 8 by 2 in your head, then you're a dumbass. |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 11:25:00 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Try teaching high school chemistry to whole classes have no understanding of fractions, ratio or proportions. You can't even bake without understanding that stuff. Drives my wife nuts that she has to teach remedial math before people can make muffins. |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 11:25:27 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Dumb kids or average kids are always the greatest victims of shit education systems, as they risk forever never being taken seriously in the real world. There are YouTubers and TikTok content creators who have made careers highlighting how insanely ignorant Gen Z is. It would be much funnier, if it weren’t so tragic. Mike Judge predicted this world in his dystopian film, shown above by another poster. |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 11:26:18 AM EST
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An example from a coworker:
His kid was doing some social studies homework. A question was “which country is on the Western side of the island, Haiti or Dominican Republic?” He was just typing that into google word-for-word and getting frustrated he wasn’t getting an easy answer. Coworker suggested, “why don’t you just look at a map?” His kid just looked at him like a deer in the headlights. |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 11:27:24 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And teachers think they should be paid more. lol Sounds like the education system is failing the children. No doubt there are plenty of bad teachers out there but IMO teachers as a whole are unfairly blamed for the system failures. I see it like blaming the boots on the ground soldier for a failed military campaign instead of the flag officers running the show. What about the great teachers that try to do a good job but whose hands are tied by the system? What is a teacher supposed to do when they aren't allowed to fail a student even if they do nothing? When there is zero parent participation? When they have students in their class that do not speak English? When they have students in their class that have physical and/or mental impairments and are supposed to have an aide with them but they don't? When administrators tell them that essentially short of someone being killed to not bother them with discipline cases. When students are grade levels behind yet there they are? If you are like my wife you quit teaching for good after a couple of years. |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 11:27:41 AM EST
[#15]
So, does anyone know if Russia has better schools and education than the US?
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Posted: 2/23/2024 11:28:02 AM EST
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Smart kids will be able to achieve a certain level of aptitude despite a horrible education system. Where they get robbed is the ability to ever be peers with identically "smart" kids brought up where they were challenged and had amazing teachers. Dumb kids or average kids are always the greatest victims of shit education systems, as they risk forever never being taken seriously in the real world. Lisa Simpson is a classic example of the first part of this. |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 11:29:13 AM EST
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My HS math teacher lost her marbles and refused to teach all year. We just played spades that hour. A couple of the smart kids taught themselves algebra. The next year they put her in the library and the next year she took a job with another district. The math teacher the next year had one hell of a time teaching everyone two years worth of math in one year.
I wonder how many teachers like that there are out there. I will say to this day I’m a really good spades player. |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 11:29:30 AM EST
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Common Core is the root of the failure. I understand Common Core math is functionally correct. If I have one more snobby cunt say "you don't like it because you don't understand it," I'm going to break their jaw. It's a terrible way to teach math. The old way of teaching put men on the goddamn moon. The current generation can't tell time without Siri. Full disclosure: I have a Masters in Education. Fight me.  |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 11:30:52 AM EST
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You can't even bake without understanding that stuff. Drives my wife nuts that she has to teach remedial math before people can make muffins. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Try teaching high school chemistry to whole classes have no understanding of fractions, ratio or proportions. You can't even bake without understanding that stuff. Drives my wife nuts that she has to teach remedial math before people can make muffins. Baking is chemistry. |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 11:32:23 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Baking is chemistry. Indeed. My wife often says "cooking is an art, but baking is a science". |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 11:33:27 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you are inclined to elaborate on this or link to some good material, there are likely many here that would appreciate an accurate understanding of the new math concepts. Warning: It is enough to make you stroke out. |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 11:33:38 AM EST
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Has she tried having sex with them? Clearly the problem here is one of motivation! |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 11:34:02 AM EST
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Has she tried having sex with them? That would have definitely gotten my attention in math class. |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 11:34:09 AM EST
[#24]
Doesn't surprise me one bit. Every child left behind.
It's a circular problem that feeds itself. Children don't learn from their parents. They both work two full time jobs. They don't learn from teachers because there is no consequence for not learning. They can't be held back. Kids see the slugs moving on with them and they lower their own level of effort. In this manner they are dumbed down. Then they vote for terrible politicians like Biden who will drag power up federally. Governors and legislature that sucks up power and removes it from the district. The school board is voted in by the same uneducated and uncaring people. They take power from the principal and give it to themselves. Then the principals take power and leeway away from the teachers. The teachers are getting butt fucked by their own unions which are paying to have power taken from the teachers by all levels of government. Then those teachers are handing out a curriculum determined by the people furthest from the children and who have the least idea of how to teach. So their students become more dumbed down. Then those students go on to vote for even worse politicians. Now you can't put kids in a timeout by themselves. You are forced to agree with their lies. You can't remove violent kids or those who disrupt the entire class all day every day. And so the education suffers.... And they vote for even worse politicians. The politicians OP votes for. This has been an ongoing trend and it's not reversing any time soon or maybe ever. In order to save some of the children of this country we need to have more private schools who are not beholden to the politicians who only make things worse. Vouchers for the same amount that a public school gets per child for ALL parents. Regardless of wealth. |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 11:35:30 AM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You can't even bake without understanding that stuff. Drives my wife nuts that she has to teach remedial math before people can make muffins. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Try teaching high school chemistry to whole classes have no understanding of fractions, ratio or proportions. You can't even bake without understanding that stuff. Drives my wife nuts that she has to teach remedial math before people can make muffins. Bake? Who'd wanna do that? Just take your EBT (soon to be BLI) card down to the mini mart and get yourself a big bag of pork rinds and a 256 ounce big gulp! |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 11:37:43 AM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Has she tried having sex with them? Genius response!! Probably why I’m still behind grade level at 54 yo. |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 11:39:23 AM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Has she tried having sex with them? |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 11:42:41 AM EST
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Posted: 2/23/2024 11:47:32 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you are inclined to elaborate on this or link to some good material, there are likely many here that would appreciate an accurate understanding of the new math concepts. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Common Core is the root of the failure. I understand Common Core math is functionally correct. If I have one more snobby cunt say "you don't like it because you don't understand it," I'm going to break their jaw. It's a terrible way to teach math. The old way of teaching put men on the goddamn moon. The current generation can't tell time without Siri. Full disclosure: I have a Masters in Education. Fight me. I don't have any good links at the moment and have a meeting shortly, but the overwhelming issue is this: Common Core math was developed to try to teach "concepts" instead of simply methods and processes. Remember how in early elementary school they'd teach you a number line and you jump forward on it to represent adding? That's a good example of what Common Core does, but then they go off the deep end with the visuals. They mercilessly have the kids "circle the number of frogs in this pond" that represent something else. They have them do stupid diagrams, pictures, and nonsense, usually followed up with a final question, "and what core concept does this represent?" I helped my friend's 4th grader with math last year and I wanted to tear the paper up. NOT A SINGLE ITEM IN HER RESOURCES JUST HAD AN EXAMPLE OF HOW TO DO SOMETHING AND THEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO IT YOURSELF. Every math textbook I saw growing up started a chapter with the "how the fuck you do this" page, followed by repetitious samples that you do yourself, with the answers in the back of the book. Common Core is might work for the top 10% of performers, but the troubled students are left in the dust. |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 11:49:31 AM EST
[#30]
Had a new guy I was training at work. It involved driving around and showing him the locations he was responsible for taking care of.
I draw up a simple map highlighting the locations and off we went. After struggling for two days driving around town, at a gas stop, I quietly called our boss and asked if the guy could read. We ended up having to use the "country landmark" method of direction. Ie: the location is 1/2 mile past Marlatt's shop on the right side of the road. Right next to Cullison's haystack. After that he was fine. Good guy, great carpenter, could barely write his name. |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 11:53:13 AM EST
[#31]
The good news is this... Last week, my daughter (15yo) decided to type out a persuasive essay for my consumption and consideration. Proud to say that she adhered to proper sentence structure, spelling, syntax. She demonstrated a good framework for her argument, addressed objections, and did a very good job on a work product that wasn't homework or being graded.
Given the observations in this thread, my daughter will be crushing it in a competitive work world. She's ready for a sales career. |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 12:01:01 PM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Another teacher commented... AP is supposed to be the advanced group! Quote HistoryQuoted: Another teacher commented... Yesterday, I realized I accidentally only printed the odd numbered pages of a 5 page assignment. I told the kids they won't be penalized for not having the questions on the even pages completed since it was my error (the page numbers were on the papers, that's how I discovered this), and I just got blank stares. One kid said they don't know what an even number is. I TEACH 9TH GRADE AP HUMAN GEOGRAPHY. AP is supposed to be the advanced group! What the hell kind of teacher uses fancy math words in a social science class?!?!? No wonder they didn’t understand. |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 12:01:14 PM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's 100% parenting. Kids learn most things at home and then fill in some gaps at school. It's amazing what kids can do when you give them that individual attention as a parent. Read to your kids, do math with your kids, do sports with your kids. They are just little sponges at that age and can learn virtually anything if you have the patience to teach them. I think my kids have been read to 99% of the nights of their lives at this point (5 and 7) with only a few rare nights where we skip it. Not a surprise that they both test in the 90th percentile or higher on everything. That works for anything, not just reading, writing, and math. There's some kids out there with incredible talents and behind every one of them is a patient parent that put in the work. Quote HistoryQuoted: Either you have students that perform exceptionally well or you have students coming into class grade levels behind. There are rarely students who are in between. It's 100% parenting. Kids learn most things at home and then fill in some gaps at school. It's amazing what kids can do when you give them that individual attention as a parent. Read to your kids, do math with your kids, do sports with your kids. They are just little sponges at that age and can learn virtually anything if you have the patience to teach them. I think my kids have been read to 99% of the nights of their lives at this point (5 and 7) with only a few rare nights where we skip it. Not a surprise that they both test in the 90th percentile or higher on everything. That works for anything, not just reading, writing, and math. There's some kids out there with incredible talents and behind every one of them is a patient parent that put in the work. No. That cannot be the expectation. Attending school and gaining an education is your full time, 40 hour a week job for 12-13 years as a kid. That time should produce results. The money spent on education in the US is very high. Nearly every chart I've ever seen has the US in the top two globally for education spending per pupil. That should also produce results. It is completely inexcusable for the US public education system to perform the way it is while consuming the resources it does. There is also a whole bunch of life that needs to happen between coming home from school and going to bed. That time shouldn't be used to replace the productivity of an 8 hour school day every day. I was raised by a hard-nosed older woman that wasn't allowed to attend school when she was a kid, and she didn't gain literacy until her 20s, but somehow, I was in AP, honors, and college courses all the way through HS. The values she taught me helped me get there. Her academic knowledge did not. That's how it's supposed to work. |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 12:06:39 PM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not a new thing. I graduated in 2000 and there were people who had a lot of problems with that stuff also. The teachers also refused to help any white boys because the Mexican kids were “disadvantaged.” And needed the help more. Which Ironically those people and the black kids cared about education the least. The kids that did care about education the most were the white and Asian kids. You can draw your own conclusions. The public schools. And now a lot of private schools want you broke, illiterate, gay and somehow voting democrat even though you cannot read the ballot. At this point sending your kids to public school is child abuse. Any culture that values education will always have a chance to succeed. Any culture that explicitly shuns education is doomed to failure. |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 12:06:45 PM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Given the observations in this thread, my daughter will be crushing it in a competitive work world. She's ready for a sales career. Yeah, none of that matters. We'll get Indians to write that shit with AI. Getting a job with merit. That so 20th Century. How many Instagram followers? Lesbian or Bi? Compelling backstory? Van life or rescue pit bulls? |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 12:11:52 PM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Has she tried having sex with them? This will certainly make things better.  Covid games made children dumber and easier to indoctrinate. All according to plan. |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 12:12:12 PM EST
[#37]
Biggest problem I see is that failure is acceptable from K to 8th. Kids fail every class and still go to the next grade.
They get to highschool and they lack reading comprehension nor can they write a complete sentence. It's a struggle. |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 12:12:58 PM EST
[#38]
On the bright side theyll all be encouraged to vote in a few years.
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Posted: 2/23/2024 12:13:49 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistorySounds a lot like the too long didn’t read crowd. TLDR |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 12:14:58 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's 100% parenting. Kids learn most things at home and then fill in some gaps at school. It's amazing what kids can do when you give them that individual attention as a parent. Read to your kids, do math with your kids, do sports with your kids. They are just little sponges at that age and can learn virtually anything if you have the patience to teach them. I think my kids have been read to 99% of the nights of their lives at this point (5 and 7) with only a few rare nights where we skip it. Not a surprise that they both test in the 90th percentile or higher on everything. That works for anything, not just reading, writing, and math. There's some kids out there with incredible talents and behind every one of them is a patient parent that put in the work. @woodsie, you are a wise man. |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 12:15:06 PM EST
[#41]
By design?
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Posted: 2/23/2024 12:15:17 PM EST
[#42]
I saw test scores indicating kids, on average, very nothing out of high school. Scores go flat after 8th grade. With a few obviously learning quite a bit, taking classes such as physics and calculus, the others must actually be going backwards in order to bring the scores back to neutral.
High school should only be available to the few who actually want it. Kick out the rest and use our limited resources for those who give a shit. The kids who don't do high school would probably benefit from just getting a job. |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 12:15:24 PM EST
[#43]
I have a high school senior. He went K-8 at a private school. 9-12 at public. We're rural, and in a good community, but the behavior and lack of intelligence in some of his classmates is still an eyeopener for him. I just keep reminding him these are his future co-workers, or employees- his choice.
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Posted: 2/23/2024 12:15:35 PM EST
[#44]
lol, this reminds me of the black magic I performed when my idiot brother-in-law needed to paint something. He thought we needed three gallons to paint a small room.
I said, well, the gallon can says it covers 350 to 500 square feet. I'll assume it covers 350 for safety margin. Now we need to calculate the area of a bunch of rectangles. We have four rectangles for the walls. We subtract out the smaller rectangles for the windows and doors to get the total area to be painted. Multiply by 2 because we're doing two coats. His mind vapor locked, like a cave man watching a Saturn V launch. The really sad part is that I learned all of the math necessary to do that in elementary school. Literally all I used was the area of a rectangle.  ETA: The truly sad part about all of this is it has never been easier to access information. My new hobby is auto repair. I started teaching myself about four years ago with youtube. If I want to learn how something works, I can watch the same topic on five different channels to understand the the theory, the basics of parts replacement, the practical effects, and everything in between. I'm pretty sure I can do the math on designing a long travel off-road suspension. I just need to learn to weld properly before my dream of a 4x4 Crown Victoria on 35 inch tires becomes a reality.
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Posted: 2/23/2024 12:15:46 PM EST
[#45]
Welcome to the future.
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Posted: 2/23/2024 12:25:44 PM EST
[#46]
At my son's high school (Kentucky) - he has said there are some kids like OP described, but it seems like they are the minority. He does talk about kids actively talking about which classes to fail that semester because you can fail two classes and still go onto the next grade.
The high school pushes the early Community College option for kids that give a shit - which is what my son will be doing next year (his junior year). |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 12:25:48 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Biggest problem I see is that failure is acceptable from K to 8th. Kids fail every class and still go to the next grade. They get to highschool and they lack reading comprehension nor can they write a complete sentence. It's a struggle. This is my take. Holding a student back is considered such an outrageous sin now that they simply just don’t bother anymore. Real easy to meet the standard when there is no standard |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 12:28:16 PM EST
[#48]
A couple statistics I've come across.
14% of Americans are functionally illiterate, 20% of high school graduates are (this makes it sound like it's disproportionately younger people who can't read) 54% of Americans (yes, the majority) cannot read past a 6th grade level. The average college freshmen only has a 7th grade reading level. I remember George Carlin saying the education system is tailored to produce people who are only smart enough to pull the levers that keep society running, but not smart enough to realize how badly they're getting fucked. Well, with technology pulling more and more of these levers, there's less of a need to educate people to be smart enough to even do that. For many people, the primary purpose of public school is to be a daycare. It's a place where they send their kids off so they can go to work. |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 12:31:36 PM EST
[#49]
Teachers are mad and quitting because students don't know what they're supposed to know.
Hmmm. |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 12:34:27 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: "We just need them to be smart enough to punch a ballot for the candidates we tell them to choose. We'll give them money to live on in exchange." How many ballots are published with photos of the candidates in US? I'll bet it's not zero, but I have never read a report that shows one. |
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