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Posted: 2/23/2024 12:34:51 PM EST
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I recently moved from Private high school math and physics to public school seventh grade math. What does person reports is just the tip of the iceberg. It's not that the students are dumb, they just don't know anything. And the reason they don't know anything is because nobody cares to know anything, it's no longer valued. We live in a culture that is now openly hostile to intellectualism.
classical education is the immediate answer, but we also need the culture at large to value scholarship. not propaganda |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 12:40:29 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A friend of ours daughter was caught in school cheating on a paper. She failed to remove the "powered by Google" from the text she directly copied and pasted into a paper. lol. Is this any different from the ones here who brag about adding AI filler to their reports for work etc. |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 12:42:28 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And teachers think they should be paid more. lol Sounds like the education system is failing the children. Teachers may be part of the blame but the raw material they have to work with is often subpar. |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 12:44:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This post should be read several times by all parents. @woodsie, you are a wise man. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's 100% parenting. Kids learn most things at home and then fill in some gaps at school. It's amazing what kids can do when you give them that individual attention as a parent. Read to your kids, do math with your kids, do sports with your kids. They are just little sponges at that age and can learn virtually anything if you have the patience to teach them. I think my kids have been read to 99% of the nights of their lives at this point (5 and 7) with only a few rare nights where we skip it. Not a surprise that they both test in the 90th percentile or higher on everything. That works for anything, not just reading, writing, and math. There's some kids out there with incredible talents and behind every one of them is a patient parent that put in the work. @woodsie, you are a wise man. I love it when parents of 5 and 7 year olds lecture the rest of us about parenting. Give me a fucking break. Get back to us in about 10 years, kiddo. |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 12:47:42 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I can’t do anything of those things and I have a Masters degree Then your Masters degree is a joke. |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 12:48:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Stupid Fixed it for you. |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 12:49:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And teachers think they should be paid more. lol Sounds like the education system is failing the children. My measure of a teacher's college is proportional to the number of afternoons and nights available for partying, not hitting the books. It's seven as near as I can determine. When I was a kid, teachers educated in Arkansas came to Southern Missouri for better pay. They were always considered poor teachers, warranted or not. That was more than warranted for one that had been a college football coach in Arkansas; useless teacher, but his real job was scouting football teams. A few came from Oklahoma, but not many made it easy of Springfield. |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 12:51:25 PM EST
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Sounds like I am on track to be a CEO in the future!
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Posted: 2/23/2024 12:51:38 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I recently moved from Private high school math and physics to public school seventh grade math. What does person reports is just the tip of the iceberg. It's not that the students are dumb, they just don't know anything. And the reason they don't know anything is because nobody cares to know anything, it's no longer valued. We live in a culture that is now openly hostile to intellectualism. classical education is the immediate answer, but we also need the culture at large to value scholarship. not propaganda The only thing that really surprises me in these threads is how many posters here somehow see this as limited to the political Left. |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 12:52:24 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's 100% parenting. Kids learn most things at home and then fill in some gaps at school. It's amazing what kids can do when you give them that individual attention as a parent. Read to your kids, do math with your kids, do sports with your kids. They are just little sponges at that age and can learn virtually anything if you have the patience to teach them. I think my kids have been read to 99% of the nights of their lives at this point (5 and 7) with only a few rare nights where we skip it. Not a surprise that they both test in the 90th percentile or higher on everything. That works for anything, not just reading, writing, and math. There's some kids out there with incredible talents and behind every one of them is a patient parent that put in the work. This is the way. I grew up in a tiny town in the Arkansas Delta where the public school was terrible, and the private school was no better and was only there because people didn't want to integrate. I've seen kids graduate from those schools who did exceptionally well for themselves, and others who graduated yet would be unable to do simple math or write a grammatically correct sentence. The difference was the parents' involvement with the kids' education. My parents sent me off to school, trying to get me the best education they could. My parents sacrificed greatly to send me where they did, but they (and I) realized over time that by them simply placing a priority on education, that I would have been ok wherever I went to school. Some of my peers from those crappy schools in my hometown have done very well for themselves, in spite of the failings of those schools. Realizing that, I sent my kids to the small town private school and they're doing very well. The local public school has fallen even further, between corrupt administration and parents who spit kids out for welfare checks and view the school as a free daycare, the current math proficiency in the high school is 1%, reading 25%, science at 10%. Current per pupil expenditures are a hair over $22K per kid last fiscal year. They're asking for a 34% millage increase to tear down the current high school and build a new school to house grades K-12. The current high school was built in the late 60's and at that time housed about 5K students. Current enrollment for the district is under 600 kids. Point of all that? 90% of the parents in that public school district don't give a shit whether or not their kids are educated, so it doesn't matter how good or bad the teachers are, how good or bad the admin is. With any amount of money and the best teachers in the world, but lacking parent involvement, nothing can save those kids. |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 12:57:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't have any good links at the moment and have a meeting shortly, but the overwhelming issue is this: Common Core math was developed to try to teach "concepts" instead of simply methods and processes. Remember how in early elementary school they'd teach you a number line and you jump forward on it to represent adding? That's a good example of what Common Core does, but then they go off the deep end with the visuals. They mercilessly have the kids "circle the number of frogs in this pond" that represent something else. They have them do stupid diagrams, pictures, and nonsense, usually followed up with a final question, "and what core concept does this represent?" I helped my friend's 4th grader with math last year and I wanted to tear the paper up. NOT A SINGLE ITEM IN HER RESOURCES JUST HAD AN EXAMPLE OF HOW TO DO SOMETHING AND THEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO IT YOURSELF. Every math textbook I saw growing up started a chapter with the "how the fuck you do this" page, followed by repetitious samples that you do yourself, with the answers in the back of the book. Common Core is might work for the top 10% of performers, but the troubled students are left in the dust. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Common Core is the root of the failure. I understand Common Core math is functionally correct. If I have one more snobby cunt say "you don't like it because you don't understand it," I'm going to break their jaw. It's a terrible way to teach math. The old way of teaching put men on the goddamn moon. The current generation can't tell time without Siri. Full disclosure: I have a Masters in Education. Fight me.  I don't have any good links at the moment and have a meeting shortly, but the overwhelming issue is this: Common Core math was developed to try to teach "concepts" instead of simply methods and processes. Remember how in early elementary school they'd teach you a number line and you jump forward on it to represent adding? That's a good example of what Common Core does, but then they go off the deep end with the visuals. They mercilessly have the kids "circle the number of frogs in this pond" that represent something else. They have them do stupid diagrams, pictures, and nonsense, usually followed up with a final question, "and what core concept does this represent?" I helped my friend's 4th grader with math last year and I wanted to tear the paper up. NOT A SINGLE ITEM IN HER RESOURCES JUST HAD AN EXAMPLE OF HOW TO DO SOMETHING AND THEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO IT YOURSELF. Every math textbook I saw growing up started a chapter with the "how the fuck you do this" page, followed by repetitious samples that you do yourself, with the answers in the back of the book. Common Core is might work for the top 10% of performers, but the troubled students are left in the dust. I remember that from when my daughter was in elementary school. Her math homework required the most ridiculous methods to get simple answers, like drawing diagrams, breaking down the calculation in to small parts, etc. It was a full page of nonsense just to do one long division problem. I showed her the old fashioned way and it was a revelation to her. She went to school and showed her friends and that resulted in parent-teacher conference where I was dressed down by her peevish math "teacher" and the Vice Principal. They actually said that if she didn't write our their ridiculous process that the problem would be considered wrong, even if she got the answer correct using the traditional method and showing her work. And that was at a highly sought after public elementary school with a waiting list. |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 1:01:05 PM EST
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When they closed the schools due to Covid-19 they did not stop sending out school tax bills to property owners.
We had to pay for no work performed. There was a time when compulsory public school was not a thing. Make it optional. The reverse psychology will have parents clamoring to get junior into a school. Suddenly an education will become valuable. |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 1:01:40 PM EST
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Quoted: This was on another site. From what I gather in the thread, this is a normal high school not in a poor area. I teach high school. Age range 15-18 years old. I have seen students who can't do the following: -Read at grade level. Some come into my classroom at a 3rd/4th grade reading level. There are some students who cannot sound out words. -Write a complete sentence. They don't capitalize the first letter of the sentence or the I's. They also don't add punctuation. I have seen a student write one whole page essay without a period. -Spell simple words. -Add or subtract double-digits. For example, they can't solve 27-13 in their head. They also cannot do it on paper. They need a calculator. -Know their multiplication tables. -Round -Graph -Understand the concept of negative. -Understand percentages. -Solve one-step variable equations. For example, if I tell them "2x = 8. Solve for x," they can't solve it. They would subtract by 2 on both sides instead of dividing by 2. -Take notes. -Follow an example. They have a hard time transferring the patterns that they see in an example to a new problem. -No research skills. The phrases they use to google are too vague when they search for information. For example, if I ask them to research the 5 types of chemical reactions, they only type in "reactions" in Google. When I explain that Google cannot read minds and they have to be very specific with their wording, they just stare at me confused. But even if their search phrases are good, they do not click on the links. They just read the excerpt Google provided them. If the answer is not in the excerpts, they give up. -Just because they know how to use their phones does not mean they know how to use a computer. They are not familiar with common keyboard shortcuts. They also cannot type properly. Some students type using their index fingers. These are just some things I can name at the top of my head. I'm sure there are a few that I missed here. Now, as a teacher, I try my best to fill in the gaps. But I want the general public to understand that when the gap list is this big, it is nearly impossible to teach my curriculum efficiently. This is part of the reason why teachers are quitting in droves. You ask teachers to do the impossible and then vilify them for not achieving it. You cannot expect us to teach our curriculum efficiently when students are grade levels behind. Without a good foundation, students cannot learn more complex concepts. I thought this was common sense, but I guess it is not (based on admin's expectations and school policies). I want to add that there are high-performing students out there. However, from my experience, the gap between the "gifted/honors" population and the "general" population has widened significantly. Either you have students that perform exceptionally well or you have students coming into class grade levels behind. There are rarely students who are in between. have you not seen the Idiocracy documentary, brother? lots of 'tards out there breeding moar 'tards. way o' the road, bubs. way o' the road. |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 1:06:25 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No. That cannot be the expectation. Attending school and gaining an education is your full time, 40 hour a week job for 12-13 years as a kid. That time should produce results. The money spent on education in the US is very high. Nearly every chart I've ever seen has the US in the top two globally for education spending per pupil. That should also produce results. It is completely inexcusable for the US public education system to perform the way it is while consuming the resources it does. There is also a whole bunch of life that needs to happen between coming home from school and going to bed. That time shouldn't be used to replace the productivity of an 8 hour school day every day. I was raised by a hard-nosed older woman that wasn't allowed to attend school when she was a kid, and she didn't gain literacy until her 20s, but somehow, I was in AP, honors, and college courses all the way through HS. The values she taught me helped me get there. Her academic knowledge did not. That's how it's supposed to work. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Either you have students that perform exceptionally well or you have students coming into class grade levels behind. There are rarely students who are in between. It's 100% parenting. Kids learn most things at home and then fill in some gaps at school. It's amazing what kids can do when you give them that individual attention as a parent. Read to your kids, do math with your kids, do sports with your kids. They are just little sponges at that age and can learn virtually anything if you have the patience to teach them. I think my kids have been read to 99% of the nights of their lives at this point (5 and 7) with only a few rare nights where we skip it. Not a surprise that they both test in the 90th percentile or higher on everything. That works for anything, not just reading, writing, and math. There's some kids out there with incredible talents and behind every one of them is a patient parent that put in the work. No. That cannot be the expectation. Attending school and gaining an education is your full time, 40 hour a week job for 12-13 years as a kid. That time should produce results. The money spent on education in the US is very high. Nearly every chart I've ever seen has the US in the top two globally for education spending per pupil. That should also produce results. It is completely inexcusable for the US public education system to perform the way it is while consuming the resources it does. There is also a whole bunch of life that needs to happen between coming home from school and going to bed. That time shouldn't be used to replace the productivity of an 8 hour school day every day. I was raised by a hard-nosed older woman that wasn't allowed to attend school when she was a kid, and she didn't gain literacy until her 20s, but somehow, I was in AP, honors, and college courses all the way through HS. The values she taught me helped me get there. Her academic knowledge did not. That's how it's supposed to work. Life is learning. Kids learn when you play with them, they learn when you read to them, they learn when you do chores with them. Even in the best schools, your kids will never have the 1 on 1 time that you yourself can provide them yourself after school and on weekends. Whether you realize it or not, it sounds like your mom taught you something. |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 1:08:12 PM EST
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It’s been a long time since I was in school, but I had some absolutely terrible teachers, so it’s not just the students or the parents fault.
8th grade science class, the teacher didn’t give one single lecture, assignment, test, quiz, homework, anything. 12th grade history, the teacher gave all the questions and the answers to the tests several days beforehand (they were multiple choice so you still had to know the right answer). It took him so long to do this though because he would just talk about random things. People were literally begging him to stay on track. 11th grade pre-calculus. The teacher let a student read the school morning news kind of thing, the student would talk about what they did the night before afterward, sometimes taking up half the class times I didn’t have these teachers but there were multiple language arts teachers that taught absolutely nothing. So if the teachers don’t teach, kids don’t care, parents don’t care, then nobody cares. |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 1:08:51 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: “We just need them to be smart enough to punch a ballot for the candidates we tell them to choose. We’ll give them money to live on in exchange.” I would certainly forgive their student loans for college. They deserve it. |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 1:10:56 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In what field of study is your Master's degree? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I can't do anything of those things and I have a Masters degree Probably aviation at United. |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 1:12:51 PM EST
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Maybe instead of spending time talking about their pronouns and other woke BS they could like…teach them that stuff?
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Posted: 2/23/2024 1:13:28 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Teachers are mad and quitting because students don't know what they're supposed to know. Hmmm. It's not that simple. It's such a large portion of kids are so neglected at home that they aren't even a position to function in a class room to begin with. There's obviously some shit teachers but there's a lot of good teachers that are handed classrooms where you've got a handful of kids that are dysfunctional, unteachable, and make it hard for the other 75% of the class to learn. You can't get rid of them, you can't meaningfully discipline them, you are just stuck trying to manage their disruptive behavior. |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 1:13:49 PM EST
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OP, you should give attribution, you know, add a link from where you got that.
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Posted: 2/23/2024 1:15:59 PM EST
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Government ran public education at its finest.
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Posted: 2/23/2024 1:17:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: At my son's high school (Kentucky) - he has said there are some kids like OP described, but it seems like they are the minority. He does talk about kids actively talking about which classes to fail that semester because you can fail two classes and still go onto the next grade. The high school pushes the early Community College option for kids that give a shit - which is what my son will be doing next year (his junior year). A little caution on that. My daughter is pre-pharmacy. She had 32 hours of college credits when she graduated from HS. When we got to orientation at her 4 year college, they said that for the STEM majors, concurrent classes can make the time more difficult when they get to their 4 year school. Kids knock out all the "basics" like history and comp 1, then when they start at the 4 year school, they have to take ALL math and science classes, which can overwhelm them. I think this semester the kid had to take physics, inorganic chemistry, and organic chemistry. She declared a minor in business simply to mix in some easier/ non science classes so her schedule wasn't so bad. She'll still be there 4 years doing things that way. She's on a full ride so the cost doesn't matter, but I thought she'd be able to get her BS earlier, but it's not that simple. Were she in business? Absolutely, get that first year out of the way. In STEM majors? Might not be the best idea. |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 1:21:30 PM EST
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Quoted: This was on another site. From what I gather in the thread, this is a normal high school not in a poor area. I teach high school. Age range 15-18 years old. I have seen students who can't do the following: -Read at grade level. Some come into my classroom at a 3rd/4th grade reading level. There are some students who cannot sound out words. -Write a complete sentence. They don't capitalize the first letter of the sentence or the I's. They also don't add punctuation. I have seen a student write one whole page essay without a period. -Spell simple words. -Add or subtract double-digits. For example, they can't solve 27-13 in their head. They also cannot do it on paper. They need a calculator. -Know their multiplication tables. -Round -Graph -Understand the concept of negative. -Understand percentages. -Solve one-step variable equations. For example, if I tell them "2x = 8. Solve for x," they can't solve it. They would subtract by 2 on both sides instead of dividing by 2. -Take notes. -Follow an example. They have a hard time transferring the patterns that they see in an example to a new problem. -No research skills. The phrases they use to google are too vague when they search for information. For example, if I ask them to research the 5 types of chemical reactions, they only type in "reactions" in Google. When I explain that Google cannot read minds and they have to be very specific with their wording, they just stare at me confused. But even if their search phrases are good, they do not click on the links. They just read the excerpt Google provided them. If the answer is not in the excerpts, they give up. -Just because they know how to use their phones does not mean they know how to use a computer. They are not familiar with common keyboard shortcuts. They also cannot type properly. Some students type using their index fingers. These are just some things I can name at the top of my head. I'm sure there are a few that I missed here. Now, as a teacher, I try my best to fill in the gaps. But I want the general public to understand that when the gap list is this big, it is nearly impossible to teach my curriculum efficiently. This is part of the reason why teachers are quitting in droves. You ask teachers to do the impossible and then vilify them for not achieving it. You cannot expect us to teach our curriculum efficiently when students are grade levels behind. Without a good foundation, students cannot learn more complex concepts. I thought this was common sense, but I guess it is not (based on admin's expectations and school policies). I want to add that there are high-performing students out there. However, from my experience, the gap between the "gifted/honors" population and the "general" population has widened significantly. Either you have students that perform exceptionally well or you have students coming into class grade levels behind. There are rarely students who are in between. Gee, who could have predicted this. Oh yeah, everyone screamed it in their faces and they ignored us. Whole word? No kids left behind? stupid implementation of already dumb math standards (cc)... People using the classes as an excuse and platform to radicalize kids with critical theory thinking (everythign is rigged you can't win dirty evil people run it all, you can't win) ... We told them they'd be making idiots. They didn't listen. Or knew it, and didn't care. The recent news about states tossing math out the window and some places with no kids able to read anything on class level at graduation should have been a clue. Also, reading at level is kind of like inflation. Today's reading at class level compared to yesterday's reading at class level... these are NOT the same. Wanna feel stupid? Pick up a mcguffey's reader. |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 1:22:30 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Common Core is the root of the failure. I understand Common Core math is functionally correct. If I have one more snobby cunt say "you don't like it because you don't understand it," I'm going to break their jaw. It's a terrible way to teach math. The old way of teaching put men on the goddamn moon. The current generation can't tell time without Siri. Full disclosure: I have a Masters in Education. Fight me. But why would we fight you when you just admitted you aren't equipped? You poor thing. Masters in edu. 
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Posted: 2/23/2024 1:23:39 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've had plenty of teachers at my building tell me the same thing. People think we're living Idiocracy now, it's gonna get waaaaay worse. We are currently adding lysenkoism at the highest levels onto all of this. Soon (inside the older members on this boards lifetime) you won't know if you can trust a bridge enough to cross it. |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 1:26:03 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I love it when parents of 5 and 7 year olds lecture the rest of us about parenting. Give me a fucking break. Get back to us in about 10 years, kiddo. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: It's 100% parenting. Kids learn most things at home and then fill in some gaps at school. It's amazing what kids can do when you give them that individual attention as a parent. Read to your kids, do math with your kids, do sports with your kids. They are just little sponges at that age and can learn virtually anything if you have the patience to teach them. I think my kids have been read to 99% of the nights of their lives at this point (5 and 7) with only a few rare nights where we skip it. Not a surprise that they both test in the 90th percentile or higher on everything. That works for anything, not just reading, writing, and math. There's some kids out there with incredible talents and behind every one of them is a patient parent that put in the work. @woodsie, you are a wise man. I love it when parents of 5 and 7 year olds lecture the rest of us about parenting. Give me a fucking break. Get back to us in about 10 years, kiddo. I'm not sure how anything I said would bother you or be considered a naive take. I'm not just talking about my experience with my kids but my wife's experiences with her kids when she was a teacher. Short of an actual disability, every struggling kid she ever had her class had shit bird parents and it was no different when I was in school. All of the "smart" kids had parents who were present and active in their lives. I don't think it's a coincidence. |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 1:26:32 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No. That cannot be the expectation. Attending school and gaining an education is your full time, 40 hour a week job for 12-13 years as a kid. That time should produce results. The money spent on education in the US is very high. Nearly every chart I've ever seen has the US in the top two globally for education spending per pupil. That should also produce results. It is completely inexcusable for the US public education system to perform the way it is while consuming the resources it does. There is also a whole bunch of life that needs to happen between coming home from school and going to bed. That time shouldn't be used to replace the productivity of an 8 hour school day every day. I was raised by a hard-nosed older woman that wasn't allowed to attend school when she was a kid, and she didn't gain literacy until her 20s, but somehow, I was in AP, honors, and college courses all the way through HS. The values she taught me helped me get there. Her academic knowledge did not. That's how it's supposed to work. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Either you have students that perform exceptionally well or you have students coming into class grade levels behind. There are rarely students who are in between. It's 100% parenting. Kids learn most things at home and then fill in some gaps at school. It's amazing what kids can do when you give them that individual attention as a parent. Read to your kids, do math with your kids, do sports with your kids. They are just little sponges at that age and can learn virtually anything if you have the patience to teach them. I think my kids have been read to 99% of the nights of their lives at this point (5 and 7) with only a few rare nights where we skip it. Not a surprise that they both test in the 90th percentile or higher on everything. That works for anything, not just reading, writing, and math. There's some kids out there with incredible talents and behind every one of them is a patient parent that put in the work. No. That cannot be the expectation. Attending school and gaining an education is your full time, 40 hour a week job for 12-13 years as a kid. That time should produce results. The money spent on education in the US is very high. Nearly every chart I've ever seen has the US in the top two globally for education spending per pupil. That should also produce results. It is completely inexcusable for the US public education system to perform the way it is while consuming the resources it does. There is also a whole bunch of life that needs to happen between coming home from school and going to bed. That time shouldn't be used to replace the productivity of an 8 hour school day every day. I was raised by a hard-nosed older woman that wasn't allowed to attend school when she was a kid, and she didn't gain literacy until her 20s, but somehow, I was in AP, honors, and college courses all the way through HS. The values she taught me helped me get there. Her academic knowledge did not. That's how it's supposed to work. I still would say the parents / those who raise are more important. If they don't help / drive the kid / be involved ... it won't matter what schools the kid goes to, things fall through. --------------- The absolute best gift for education I ever got from my parents (mostly my mom) was that she taught me to *love* reading. She didn't force me to. She found a way to get me to really really like it. |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 1:26:36 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I can’t do anything of those things and I have a Masters degree I only have a high school diploma and nearly failed college level basic general math (was called pre-algebra in HS) and I CAN do everything on that list but graph. You need to get a refund on your tuition. |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 1:29:21 PM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: TLDR have you not seen the Idiocracy documentary, brother? lots of 'tards out there breeding moar 'tards. way o' the road, bubs. way o' the road. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This was on another site. From what I gather in the thread, this is a normal high school not in a poor area. I teach high school. Age range 15-18 years old. I have seen students who can't do the following: -Read at grade level. Some come into my classroom at a 3rd/4th grade reading level. There are some students who cannot sound out words. -Write a complete sentence. They don't capitalize the first letter of the sentence or the I's. They also don't add punctuation. I have seen a student write one whole page essay without a period. -Spell simple words. -Add or subtract double-digits. For example, they can't solve 27-13 in their head. They also cannot do it on paper. They need a calculator. -Know their multiplication tables. -Round -Graph -Understand the concept of negative. -Understand percentages. -Solve one-step variable equations. For example, if I tell them "2x = 8. Solve for x," they can't solve it. They would subtract by 2 on both sides instead of dividing by 2. -Take notes. -Follow an example. They have a hard time transferring the patterns that they see in an example to a new problem. -No research skills. The phrases they use to google are too vague when they search for information. For example, if I ask them to research the 5 types of chemical reactions, they only type in "reactions" in Google. When I explain that Google cannot read minds and they have to be very specific with their wording, they just stare at me confused. But even if their search phrases are good, they do not click on the links. They just read the excerpt Google provided them. If the answer is not in the excerpts, they give up. -Just because they know how to use their phones does not mean they know how to use a computer. They are not familiar with common keyboard shortcuts. They also cannot type properly. Some students type using their index fingers. These are just some things I can name at the top of my head. I'm sure there are a few that I missed here. Now, as a teacher, I try my best to fill in the gaps. But I want the general public to understand that when the gap list is this big, it is nearly impossible to teach my curriculum efficiently. This is part of the reason why teachers are quitting in droves. You ask teachers to do the impossible and then vilify them for not achieving it. You cannot expect us to teach our curriculum efficiently when students are grade levels behind. Without a good foundation, students cannot learn more complex concepts. I thought this was common sense, but I guess it is not (based on admin's expectations and school policies). I want to add that there are high-performing students out there. However, from my experience, the gap between the "gifted/honors" population and the "general" population has widened significantly. Either you have students that perform exceptionally well or you have students coming into class grade levels behind. There are rarely students who are in between. have you not seen the Idiocracy documentary, brother? lots of 'tards out there breeding moar 'tards. way o' the road, bubs. way o' the road. Except the scary part is that the breeding is not dumb people getting pregnant. The breeding is the schools and parents who are uninvolved and uninterested in their kids education. Or worse, parents and communities that look down on education. |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 1:30:08 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Has she tried having sex with them? First post almost made me choke on my pizza. Would have worked on me depending on looks and tits. |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 1:32:49 PM EST
[#31]
After the Navy I went to school in Texas to become a teacher - wanted to be a shop teacher.
My last semester I had to follow a teacher around. I made it one day. This was in a suburb outside of Austin, so I'm not talking about inner city kids here. -The shop teacher had his own security guard to keep law and order in the classroom -It was quiz day, and he had to read the questions and answers out loud for the kids who couldn't read (these were all high schoolers) -None of the kids wanted to be there. They were all "tracked" into shop class because they couldn't make it in the traditional classroom -They were testing the teacher, security guard and me just to be little shits and see what they could get away with -Mixture of kids were half thugs and the other half retarded -There were no big projects going on, just a few tools and parts here and there. Obviously nothing going on. Just a fuck off period for the kids. This was a big contrast from my experience in HS in SD, kids wanted to be there, had big projects to work on. There were a few 'tards in class but it wasn't the majority. I maxed out my summer school options just to free up my jr and sr year to take nothing but shop classes. Gave up on that dream. It took 1 day. Now that I'm back in SD and live rural - might explore that option again but I have a real shop to run so will have to wait for semi-retirement. |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 1:33:26 PM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We live in a culture that is now openly hostile to intellectualism. Ignorance is touted as a virtue. |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 1:34:00 PM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe that teacher needs to fail her students from attending the next grade This is exactly right. She says: You cannot expect us to teach our curriculum efficiently when students are grade levels behind. There is only one reason the kids are having these problems, because her coworkers aren't doing their jobs |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 1:34:18 PM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is the way. I grew up in a tiny town in the Arkansas Delta where the public school was terrible, and the private school was no better and was only there because people didn't want to integrate. I've seen kids graduate from those schools who did exceptionally well for themselves, and others who graduated yet would be unable to do simple math or write a grammatically correct sentence. The difference was the parents' involvement with the kids' education. My parents sent me off to school, trying to get me the best education they could. My parents sacrificed greatly to send me where they did, but they (and I) realized over time that by them simply placing a priority on education, that I would have been ok wherever I went to school. Some of my peers from those crappy schools in my hometown have done very well for themselves, in spite of the failings of those schools. Realizing that, I sent my kids to the small town private school and they're doing very well. The local public school has fallen even further, between corrupt administration and parents who spit kids out for welfare checks and view the school as a free daycare, the current math proficiency in the high school is 1%, reading 25%, science at 10%. Current per pupil expenditures are a hair over $22K per kid last fiscal year. They're asking for a 34% millage increase to tear down the current high school and build a new school to house grades K-12. The current high school was built in the late 60's and at that time housed about 5K students. Current enrollment for the district is under 600 kids. Point of all that? 90% of the parents in that public school district don't give a shit whether or not their kids are educated, so it doesn't matter how good or bad the teachers are, how good or bad the admin is. With any amount of money and the best teachers in the world, but lacking parent involvement, nothing can save those kids. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's 100% parenting. Kids learn most things at home and then fill in some gaps at school. It's amazing what kids can do when you give them that individual attention as a parent. Read to your kids, do math with your kids, do sports with your kids. They are just little sponges at that age and can learn virtually anything if you have the patience to teach them. I think my kids have been read to 99% of the nights of their lives at this point (5 and 7) with only a few rare nights where we skip it. Not a surprise that they both test in the 90th percentile or higher on everything. That works for anything, not just reading, writing, and math. There's some kids out there with incredible talents and behind every one of them is a patient parent that put in the work. This is the way. I grew up in a tiny town in the Arkansas Delta where the public school was terrible, and the private school was no better and was only there because people didn't want to integrate. I've seen kids graduate from those schools who did exceptionally well for themselves, and others who graduated yet would be unable to do simple math or write a grammatically correct sentence. The difference was the parents' involvement with the kids' education. My parents sent me off to school, trying to get me the best education they could. My parents sacrificed greatly to send me where they did, but they (and I) realized over time that by them simply placing a priority on education, that I would have been ok wherever I went to school. Some of my peers from those crappy schools in my hometown have done very well for themselves, in spite of the failings of those schools. Realizing that, I sent my kids to the small town private school and they're doing very well. The local public school has fallen even further, between corrupt administration and parents who spit kids out for welfare checks and view the school as a free daycare, the current math proficiency in the high school is 1%, reading 25%, science at 10%. Current per pupil expenditures are a hair over $22K per kid last fiscal year. They're asking for a 34% millage increase to tear down the current high school and build a new school to house grades K-12. The current high school was built in the late 60's and at that time housed about 5K students. Current enrollment for the district is under 600 kids. Point of all that? 90% of the parents in that public school district don't give a shit whether or not their kids are educated, so it doesn't matter how good or bad the teachers are, how good or bad the admin is. With any amount of money and the best teachers in the world, but lacking parent involvement, nothing can save those kids. Science proficiency can't exceed math proficiency. The only possible method in a high school is to lump biology, geography, social studies, and probably some topic I would not include with chemistry and physics. But biology and geography done right also require facility in math. |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 1:34:39 PM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ignorance is touted as a virtue. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: We live in a culture that is now openly hostile to intellectualism. Ignorance is touted as a virtue. well, intellectualism is literally white supremacy, so... |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 1:39:40 PM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I only have a high school diploma and nearly failed college level basic general math (was called pre-algebra in HS) and I CAN do everything on that list but graph. You need to get a refund on your tuition. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I can't do anything of those things and I have a Masters degree I only have a high school diploma and nearly failed college level basic general math (was called pre-algebra in HS) and I CAN do everything on that list but graph. You need to get a refund on your tuition. I can teach you how to make a simple graph in no more than five minutes, and one slightly more complicated in no more than thirty minutes. We would practice reading various graphs first, starting with a number line. Math has to be mastered at every step along the process starting with counting, then addition and subtraction, and on. Practice is required, there is no way around that fact. Elementary and junior high math should always be connected to the problems of life, that's its purpose. Teachers must never stigmatize "word problems", those come from, or 'model', life. There is also an obvious need to segregate students according to real ability. That is more than innate intelligence, and it's not limited to academics. If a kid wants shop classes, then that's where he's allowed to shine. Lower ability kids must be separated from the thugs and useless oxygen thief class so they can also be educated. Turn that latter class out to be feral elsewhere. |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 1:44:14 PM EST
[#37]
Quoted: I can’t do anything of those things and I have a Masters degree Journalism? |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 1:44:45 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ignorance is touted as a virtue. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: We live in a culture that is now openly hostile to intellectualism. Ignorance is touted as a virtue. TL:DR! Won't watch / listen without summary! Just tell me what it means! 
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Posted: 2/23/2024 1:45:40 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: well, intellectualism is literally white supremacy, so... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: We live in a culture that is now openly hostile to intellectualism. Ignorance is touted as a virtue. well, intellectualism is literally white supremacy, so... I would pay good money to see anyone that actually taught that locked into a room with tom sowell. |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 1:45:51 PM EST
[#40]
Reflects what I'm seeing in college students as well. Reading took a massive hit about 6 years ago and had been downhill since. Note taking skills are non-existent, and retention of anything is questionable.
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Posted: 2/23/2024 1:46:14 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Journalism? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I can’t do anything of those things and I have a Masters degree Journalism? HEY! No personal insults allowed!
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Posted: 2/23/2024 1:48:08 PM EST
[#42]
People of Color im sure
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Posted: 2/23/2024 1:51:12 PM EST
[#43]
So apparently the "young skulls full of mush" will remain that way thru adulthood.
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Posted: 2/23/2024 1:51:49 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Do tell what house of higher knowledge did you turn out from? I kid, I’m a real smart feller. I’m a product of the Alabama and Florida public school system. Manufacturing systems management from SMU is where I earned my Master’s. |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 1:53:05 PM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I can’t do anything of those things and I have a Masters degree I wish I could confidently call that a joke. Fact is there are millions of "higher" education grads who are educated into imbecility, yet they think they know everything. Millions more are given degrees they did not earn out of concern for equity. We are on the way to becoming a nation of idiots. Or are we there already? |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 1:58:20 PM EST
[#46]
Big Tech and Sil Val have achieved their mission in ruining America and giving way to a braindead generation they can manipulate and control at a whim.
It's sad, but you know what, Darwin's Theory will apply in a bit after full-scale war breaks loose. |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 1:59:29 PM EST
[#47]
This is why there will be a total chaos if/when the internet goes down for more than a few days.
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Posted: 2/23/2024 1:59:34 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Raised on cell phones... most have the attention span and critical thinking skills of a gnat. Gnats are smarter than the brainwashed kids these days. Gnats can safely land and crawl under my helmet while I am doing 70+ mph, find a safe spot to gnaw on my scalp, then hide and stop moving when I pull over to smash them, only to come out of hiding and start gnawing on my scalp as soon as I get going again. |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 1:59:59 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Reflects what I'm seeing in college students as well. Reading took a massive hit about 6 years ago and had been downhill since. Note taking skills are non-existent, and retention of anything is questionable. I was a TA in the mid 2000's in grad school and saw it before then. Kids who could barely read and write. Kids who were mad that I could tell they copied and pasted from wikipedia because they left the damn footnotes in, kids that got mad I wouldn't just tell them what was on the test, etc. My wife was an English major and a writing lab tutor about the same time as a senior. Her profs would order kids to go see her. I have two favorites. Kid got asked to write why they were majoring in English. Kid wrote "I like to read. I like to write. I like books." etc for half a page. Basically no variation or ability to write past a 1st grade level. Another kid had just awful grammar. My wife started talking about "subject-verb agreement" and a college freshman English major said, "What's a subject? And a verb?" Of course, every student got a 4.0 in HS. With those two, and others, my wife would report back to their prof just "I cannot help this student." |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 2:01:11 PM EST
[#50]
Can confirm. My sister teaches but feels more like a babysitter. All she does is break up fights and she's an elementary school teacher. On the flip side, these kids will be working for my kids.
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