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Posted: 7/5/2022 12:35:57 PM EDT
[#1]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not trying to be all tinfoilish, but, place was crowded, EVERYONE has a phone, cops had to be all over the place, how can a person who really stands out from the crowd by his looks, carry a rifle up a ladder without cops noticing, and 911 being flooded with calls. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I’ve seen the rose part in a couple of pics but are there any others that show the whole tattoo? The rose tattoo seems to wrap all the way around the back side of his neck. Not really consistent with DSA stylizations. He seems to like to do the one-off on everything. He's 'Awake' instead of 'Woke'. https://tattooswin.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Ak-47-Gun-Tattoo-On-Back-Of-Arm-1.jpg '47' instead of 'AK-47' Not quite ballsy enough to commit to anything. Except shooting up a family-oriented 4th of July parade. I'm still shocked he could move around and extend a 60 lb ladder, get up and back down without hurting himself. Not trying to be all tinfoilish, but, place was crowded, EVERYONE has a phone, cops had to be all over the place, how can a person who really stands out from the crowd by his looks, carry a rifle up a ladder without cops noticing, and 911 being flooded with calls. Don't assume the ladder was placed by the shooter. It might have been, or it might have been placed in a hurry by cops trying to secure the area. He might have gone up stairs in a connected building, or climbed from a tree to an awning, or any number of other avenues. |
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Posted: 7/5/2022 12:36:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe the rifle was already up there.............. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I’ve seen the rose part in a couple of pics but are there any others that show the whole tattoo? The rose tattoo seems to wrap all the way around the back side of his neck. Not really consistent with DSA stylizations. He seems to like to do the one-off on everything. He's 'Awake' instead of 'Woke'. https://tattooswin.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Ak-47-Gun-Tattoo-On-Back-Of-Arm-1.jpg '47' instead of 'AK-47' Not quite ballsy enough to commit to anything. Except shooting up a family-oriented 4th of July parade. I'm still shocked he could move around and extend a 60 lb ladder, get up and back down without hurting himself. Not trying to be all tinfoilish, but, place was crowded, EVERYONE has a phone, cops had to be all over the place, how can a person who really stands out from the crowd by his looks, carry a rifle up a ladder without cops noticing, and 911 being flooded with calls. Maybe the rifle was already up there.............. Or broken down in a backpack. |
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Posted: 7/5/2022 12:36:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Was dressed as a woman to hide his identity. Yeahhhhhh... that's the reason. 
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Posted: 7/5/2022 12:37:00 PM EDT
[#4]
All legally purchased guns.
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Posted: 7/5/2022 12:37:31 PM EDT
[#5]
Police Chief live now speaking to media:
Over 30 injured 6 murdered Suspect planned the shooting weeks prior Suspect gained access to roof of business via fire ladder Dressed in women’s clothing After firing 70+ rounds, suspect got off the roof and blended in with the crowd fleeing the scene and dropped the rifle on scene Went to his mothers house and took her vehicle When in custody, a second rifle was located in the vehicle Other weapons were located at his residence |
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Posted: 7/5/2022 12:37:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Don't assume the ladder was placed by the shooter. It might have been, or it might have been placed in a hurry by cops trying to secure the area. He might have gone up stairs in a connected building, or climbed from a tree to an awning, or any number of other avenues. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I’ve seen the rose part in a couple of pics but are there any others that show the whole tattoo? The rose tattoo seems to wrap all the way around the back side of his neck. Not really consistent with DSA stylizations. He seems to like to do the one-off on everything. He's 'Awake' instead of 'Woke'. https://tattooswin.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Ak-47-Gun-Tattoo-On-Back-Of-Arm-1.jpg '47' instead of 'AK-47' Not quite ballsy enough to commit to anything. Except shooting up a family-oriented 4th of July parade. I'm still shocked he could move around and extend a 60 lb ladder, get up and back down without hurting himself. Not trying to be all tinfoilish, but, place was crowded, EVERYONE has a phone, cops had to be all over the place, how can a person who really stands out from the crowd by his looks, carry a rifle up a ladder without cops noticing, and 911 being flooded with calls. Don't assume the ladder was placed by the shooter. It might have been, or it might have been placed in a hurry by cops trying to secure the area. He might have gone up stairs in a connected building, or climbed from a tree to an awning, or any number of other avenues. It looks like it was put up there to secure the roof after the mass shooting. the update said it was a fixed fire ecape ladder he used. |
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Posted: 7/5/2022 12:38:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: All legally purchased guns. Did he lie on the form about MJ use |
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Posted: 7/5/2022 12:38:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Meanwhile in Chicago: July to Date Shot & Killed: 14 Shot & Wounded: 77 Total Shot: 91 Total Homicides: 14 And crickets in the MSM... Fucking THIS! Every weekend that shit goes down and the MSM is crickets. I don't want to hear their fake outrage. |
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Posted: 7/5/2022 12:38:15 PM EDT
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Contacts with Law Enforcement, but nothing violent.
Had not been made aware of his videos. Identified him by ATF tracing rifle. Rifle "similar to AR-15." |
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Posted: 7/5/2022 12:38:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m surprised we haven’t seen a push to require drug tests to back up the declarations on the 4473. Piss on Form 4473 instead of in a cup and call it good.  |
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Posted: 7/5/2022 12:38:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:  I'm assuming he set the ladder himself. There are penalties for just setting those things out on walkways/ sidewalks without barriers and warnings and stuff. safety first! otherwise it was already there. Guess people just assume people are legit when they do shit in the middle of the day. Like setting up a ladder and climbing it. Maybe he had it (the rifle) broken down and/ or in a bag. Obviously he did not want to be seen bringing it back down with him on the ladder. Maybe he didn't want to break it back down and/ or put it in an inconspicuous bag because of time constraints. There is a video somewhere on youtube of a group of prankers who tested out the hypothesis that looking official and carrying a ladder would let them get into places where they normally couldn't. They carried ladders into hotels, conference centers, banks..... etc. In some cases, employees of the places they went into, held the doors for them. |
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Posted: 7/5/2022 12:40:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did he lie on the form about MJ use Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: All legally purchased guns. Did he lie on the form about MJ use DEvil's cabbage. They need to start surveilling Hunter before he totally loses his shit. |
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Posted: 7/5/2022 12:40:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Contacts with Law Enforcement, but nothing violent. Only thing that I could find was an ordinance violation for underage tobacco possession. Maybe a couple of traffic tickets as well. |
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Posted: 7/5/2022 12:40:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There is a video somewhere on youtube of a group of prankers who tested out the hypothesis that looking official and carrying a ladder would let them get into places where they normally couldn't. They carried ladders into hotels, conference centers, banks..... etc. In some cases, employees of the places they went into, held the doors for them. I thought it was a clipboard and safety vest. |
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Posted: 7/5/2022 12:41:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There is a video somewhere on youtube of a group of prankers who tested out the hypothesis that looking official and carrying a ladder would let them get into places where they normally couldn't. They carried ladders into hotels, conference centers, banks..... etc. In some cases, employees of the places they went into, held the doors for them. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm assuming he set the ladder himself. There are penalties for just setting those things out on walkways/ sidewalks without barriers and warnings and stuff. safety first! otherwise it was already there. Guess people just assume people are legit when they do shit in the middle of the day. Like setting up a ladder and climbing it. Maybe he had it (the rifle) broken down and/ or in a bag. Obviously he did not want to be seen bringing it back down with him on the ladder. Maybe he didn't want to break it back down and/ or put it in an inconspicuous bag because of time constraints. There is a video somewhere on youtube of a group of prankers who tested out the hypothesis that looking official and carrying a ladder would let them get into places where they normally couldn't. They carried ladders into hotels, conference centers, banks..... etc. In some cases, employees of the places they went into, held the doors for them. Presumption everyone is legit and doing legit things. |
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Posted: 7/5/2022 12:41:05 PM EDT
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Rifle was similar to an AR15, but won't say what it is.
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Posted: 7/5/2022 12:42:23 PM EDT
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Reporters asking retarded questions, how typical!
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Posted: 7/5/2022 12:42:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Rifle was similar to an AR15, but won't say what it is. Might be a mini 14 That would explain the delay in reloading |
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Posted: 7/5/2022 12:43:30 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/5/2022 12:43:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Might be a mini 14 What I am thinking. |
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Posted: 7/5/2022 12:43:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Might be a mini 14 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Rifle was similar to an AR15, but won't say what it is. Might be a mini 14 Or a SCAR. |
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Posted: 7/5/2022 12:43:57 PM EDT
[#22]
Shooting was random and he didn't target a specific group.
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Posted: 7/5/2022 12:44:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Only thing that I could find was an ordinance violation for underage tobacco possession. Maybe a couple of traffic tickets as well. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Contacts with Law Enforcement, but nothing violent. Only thing that I could find was an ordinance violation for underage tobacco possession. Maybe a couple of traffic tickets as well. They are likely Family issue or Psychiatric related calls for service. |
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Posted: 7/5/2022 12:44:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The update says he planned it for weeks. Used a fixed escape ladder. Used cosmetics to disguise his tats. had another rifle in the car. Lone actor. I provided evidence that he had planned it for at least a year ten or so pages back. ETA: Including screenshots from his drone footage, pictures of google maps, and a pin to indicate where his drone video started |
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Posted: 7/5/2022 12:44:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Rifle was similar to an AR15, but won't say what it is. Could be he doesn’t want to demonize the firearm design |
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Posted: 7/5/2022 12:45:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Don't assume the ladder was placed by the shooter. It might have been, or it might have been placed in a hurry by cops trying to secure the area. He might have gone up stairs in a connected building, or climbed from a tree to an awning, or any number of other avenues. Ha! With that frail stick like body, I am guessing he had zero upper body strength to pull himself up to anywhere. |
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Posted: 7/5/2022 12:45:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I provided evidence that he had planned it for at least a year ten or so pages back. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The update says he planned it for weeks. Used a fixed escape ladder. Used cosmetics to disguise his tats. had another rifle in the car. Lone actor. I provided evidence that he had planned it for at least a year ten or so pages back. Yeah, those vids and drawings are pretty damning in context now. |
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Posted: 7/5/2022 12:45:52 PM EDT
[#28]
Dressed as a woman to get away.
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Posted: 7/5/2022 12:45:59 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Shooting was random and he didn't target a specific group. Lot of sorry weirdos with inferiority problems out here. |
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Posted: 7/5/2022 12:46:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Or a SCAR. No way he could afford a SCAR
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Posted: 7/5/2022 12:46:44 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Rifle was similar to an AR15, but won't say what it is. AR-9, earlier in the thread they said it was "low powered" ....this is of course trying to believe anything the media puts out is correct. They wouldn't know a front sight post from a bayonet stud. The report of it being an M4 is really interesting. |
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Posted: 7/5/2022 12:47:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not trying to be all tinfoilish, but, place was crowded, EVERYONE has a phone, cops had to be all over the place, how can a person who really stands out from the crowd by his looks, carry a rifle up a ladder without cops noticing, and 911 being flooded with calls. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I’ve seen the rose part in a couple of pics but are there any others that show the whole tattoo? The rose tattoo seems to wrap all the way around the back side of his neck. Not really consistent with DSA stylizations. He seems to like to do the one-off on everything. He's 'Awake' instead of 'Woke'. https://tattooswin.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Ak-47-Gun-Tattoo-On-Back-Of-Arm-1.jpg '47' instead of 'AK-47' Not quite ballsy enough to commit to anything. Except shooting up a family-oriented 4th of July parade. I'm still shocked he could move around and extend a 60 lb ladder, get up and back down without hurting himself. Not trying to be all tinfoilish, but, place was crowded, EVERYONE has a phone, cops had to be all over the place, how can a person who really stands out from the crowd by his looks, carry a rifle up a ladder without cops noticing, and 911 being flooded with calls. Since we don’t know the barrel length (as far as I know anyway) it could’ve easily been concealed in a tennis bag, golf bag, duffel bag or backpack. Even if it was a 16” barrel it’s easy enough to separate the upper & lower, stuff them in a bag & re-assemble on the roof. He would’ve needed a bag for the mags anyway. Who knows maybe he was smart enough to go disguised. Put on a hi-vis vest, hard hat & no one would even think about you walking around with a ladder & bag. Or put on paint stained jeans & t-shirt & achieve the same invisible to the wealthy working stiff in a rich snobby suburb camouflage effect. There’s dozens of ways to blend in & remain inconspicuous, even carrying some heavy gear. Just have to look the part. I seriously doubt he just rolled up with the ladder, rifle slung & ready to rock. |
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Posted: 7/5/2022 12:47:14 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ha! With that frail stick like body, I am guessing he had zero upper body strength to pull himself up to anywhere. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Don't assume the ladder was placed by the shooter. It might have been, or it might have been placed in a hurry by cops trying to secure the area. He might have gone up stairs in a connected building, or climbed from a tree to an awning, or any number of other avenues. Ha! With that frail stick like body, I am guessing he had zero upper body strength to pull himself up to anywhere. Cops just said it was a fire escape ladder that was permanently affixed to the building. |
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Posted: 7/5/2022 12:47:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m surprised we haven’t seen a push to require drug tests to back up the declarations on the 4473. A latest example of "thought police" quackery... |
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Posted: 7/5/2022 12:47:29 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Shooting was random and he didn't target a specific group. Well, except Americans celebrating Independence Day. That is, in fact, a group. |
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Posted: 7/5/2022 12:47:45 PM EDT
[#36]
ANTIFA must be classified as a terrorist group and a shoot to kill order placed on them nationwide!
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Posted: 7/5/2022 12:47:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No way he could afford a SCAR Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Or a SCAR. No way he could afford a SCAR Made a few bucks as a mid-temperature rapper. Had paying followers. |
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Posted: 7/5/2022 12:49:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No way he could afford a SCAR Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Or a SCAR. No way he could afford a SCAR George Soros pays very well for ANTIFA terrorists so….. |
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Posted: 7/5/2022 12:51:18 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, except Americans celebrating Independence Day. That is, in fact, a group. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Shooting was random and he didn't target a specific group. Well, except Americans celebrating Independence Day. That is, in fact, a group. Sure, if you want to cast a broad enough net, you can always define a group. I hear they were all earthlings too. |
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Posted: 7/5/2022 12:51:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Since we don't know the barrel length (as far as I know anyway) it could've easily been concealed in a tennis bag, golf bag, duffel bag or backpack. Even if it was a 16" barrel it's easy enough to separate the upper & lower, stuff them in a bag & re-assemble on the roof. He would've needed a bag for the mags anyway. Who knows maybe he was smart enough to go disguised. Put on a hi-vis vest, hard hat & no one would even think about you walking around with a ladder & bag. Or put on paint stained jeans & t-shirt & achieve the same rich invisible working stiff in a rich snobby suburb camouflage effect. There's dozens of ways to blend in & remain inconspicuous, even carrying some heavy gear. Just have to look the part. I seriously doubt he just rolled up with the ladder, rifle slung & ready to rock.  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/5/2022 12:52:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm surpised he could manhandle and set the ladder, then raise it... let alone climb it with a rifle. And then come back down without falling. Great point. If he used that ladder how did he get it there? He has a Honda Fit not a truck. And as a 5’11” guy that has probably 60 pounds on that guy no way he got that ladder up himself. I can do it all day but I was building houses at his age. That kid has never done manual labor. Handling a ladder that size takes not only strength but technique. More likely the police ladder. |
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Posted: 7/5/2022 12:56:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Here's where my previous point was missed. Let's agree that dude was a rabid lefty. All news articles say it. What is the expected outcome? Nothing at this point realistically because each side has chosen their side and any slight against it will be necessary for the cause. That was my point- we are fucked because it's so about sides reality won't matter anymore "You people keep killing us." "It was one of you fuckfaces that did it, fuck off." vs "Sorry bro, take my standard cap magazines as a 'compromise' " The very fact that the media scumwhores drop the story when it busts their narrative or hurts their side should be a BIG FUCKING CLUE TO YOU that it's got some political and cultural weight even if YOU don't understand it. Anyway, you aint the boss of me and I will continue to attack to defend my God given rights. We got your point, your point was dumb. |
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Posted: 7/5/2022 12:58:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Great point. If he used that ladder how did he get it there? He has a Honda Fit not a truck. And as a 5’11” guy that has probably 60 pounds on that guy no way he got that ladder up himself. I can do it all day but I was building houses at his age. That kid has never done manual labor. Handling a ladder that size takes not only strength but technique. More likely the police ladder. He used a fire escape ladder. |
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Posted: 7/5/2022 1:00:16 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/5/2022 1:00:22 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Just saw on Fox News live streaming that the shooter used an M4. I see. Is that the next "AK-47" on the Journalist's Guide to Guns? I'm totally sure he had a select-fire, short-barreled rifle... |
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Posted: 7/5/2022 1:00:27 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Presumption everyone is legit and doing legit things. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'm assuming he set the ladder himself. There are penalties for just setting those things out on walkways/ sidewalks without barriers and warnings and stuff. safety first! otherwise it was already there. Guess people just assume people are legit when they do shit in the middle of the day. Like setting up a ladder and climbing it. Maybe he had it (the rifle) broken down and/ or in a bag. Obviously he did not want to be seen bringing it back down with him on the ladder. Maybe he didn't want to break it back down and/ or put it in an inconspicuous bag because of time constraints. There is a video somewhere on youtube of a group of prankers who tested out the hypothesis that looking official and carrying a ladder would let them get into places where they normally couldn't. They carried ladders into hotels, conference centers, banks..... etc. In some cases, employees of the places they went into, held the doors for them. Presumption everyone is legit and doing legit things. Normalcy bias in action. |
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Posted: 7/5/2022 1:01:11 PM EDT
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I'd bet 10 bucks this kid never got laid... But will get laid out in prison.
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Posted: 7/5/2022 1:03:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Police Chief live now speaking to media: Over 30 injured 6 murdered Suspect planned the shooting weeks prior Suspect gained access to roof of business via fire ladder Dressed in women’s clothing After firing 70+ rounds, suspect got off the roof and blended in with the crowd fleeing the scene and dropped the rifle on scene Went to his mothers house and took her vehicle When in custody, a second rifle was located in the vehicle Other weapons were located at his residence Sounds like he at least tried to get away with it. How was he identified so quickly? |
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Posted: 7/5/2022 1:06:12 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not trying to be all tinfoilish, but, place was crowded, EVERYONE has a phone, cops had to be all over the place, how can a person who really stands out from the crowd by his looks, carry a rifle up a ladder without cops noticing, and 911 being flooded with calls. |
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Posted: 7/5/2022 1:06:39 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Rifle was similar to an AR15, but won't say what it is. In his artwork, it looks like he is carrying a Mini 14 or an SKS with a box magazine. Possibly a flat-top AR but nothing shown with an AR-style carry handle. The fact they haven't released the type of weapon is telling. |
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