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Posted: 1/11/2023 8:02:41 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They called it the siebenundachtzig - 8 lumens for 7 minutes. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I wonder how long the battery lasted, and how bright it was? They called it the siebenundachtzig - 8 lumens for 7 minutes. Damn, that’s literally as bright as a birthday cake candle. I guess in a totally dark room, it would allow you to see the silhouette of the sights but I can’t imagine it provides much in the way of target ID, certainly not at anything further than a couple feet. IDK, maybe I’m not understanding how this thing worked or was intended to be used 
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Posted: 1/11/2023 8:06:40 AM EST
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Quote History$184k?! I expected several million |
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Posted: 1/11/2023 8:17:28 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: USA had a flashlight mounted revolver in 1915. I weigh about 60 pounds lighter now than in this video.... rongorongo very neat! Thanks for sharing. Congrats on the weight loss.  |
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Posted: 1/11/2023 8:25:49 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: nazis had some cool shit Yep. All the way until the end of the war they were busy devising new instruments of death. Probably part of the reason they lost the war, really. They spent enormous sums of money on projects that did nothing to change the tide of battle. Worked out for us in the end since we scooped up most of their surviving engineers and scientists after the war. |
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Posted: 1/11/2023 8:42:59 AM EST
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Posted: 1/11/2023 8:52:00 AM EST
[#6]
Pretty cool.
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Posted: 1/11/2023 8:54:45 AM EST
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I mean they had night vision on assault rifles in 1944.
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Posted: 1/11/2023 8:54:55 AM EST
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Posted: 1/11/2023 8:54:55 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Interesting No serial numbers or markings of any kind except a couple of proof marks and acceptance marks. Fantastic shape about 95-96 percent of the bluing is remaining and the strawing is still strong. @Wolfy42 What is “strawing”? I have never heard the term. |
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Posted: 1/11/2023 8:57:10 AM EST
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Strawing is that golden color on some parts caused by the heat treating process.
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Posted: 1/11/2023 9:03:45 AM EST
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Quote HistoryAEG laughs at backward Soviet peasant design in 1945.  |
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Posted: 1/11/2023 9:18:09 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m n before I did Nazi that coming? You know? You just sucked the fun right out of the room. |
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Posted: 1/11/2023 9:21:04 AM EST
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There is another.
Oregon military museum has a pistol I was told was from one of Himmler's bodyguards. .32 caliber Steyr or Sauer. Can't honestly remember. Anyway, not p08 or p38. It was fitted with a double brass tube under the barrel. One tube was batteries, the other contained the bulb and reflector. There was a pressure switch, also brass, on the right side of the grip. No pics, it's been more than 20 years, but Nazi Steampunk inventions are kinda memorable. |
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Posted: 1/11/2023 9:23:07 AM EST
[#14]
Double tap
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Posted: 1/11/2023 9:24:59 AM EST
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Neat find OP.
That is bad ass. |
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Posted: 1/11/2023 9:27:06 AM EST
[#16]
I had never seen or heard about that before. That's wild.
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Posted: 1/11/2023 9:30:22 AM EST
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Posted: 1/11/2023 9:31:39 AM EST
[#18]
Those damned Nazis were so far ahead of their time.
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Posted: 1/11/2023 9:32:20 AM EST
[#19]
Never heard of that! Super cool.
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Posted: 1/11/2023 9:38:48 AM EST
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There was a thread about this gun posted here many years ago and someone said they were purportedly loaded with "special" .30 Luger tracer ammo.
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Posted: 1/11/2023 9:40:42 AM EST
[#21]
Steampunk worthy.
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Posted: 1/11/2023 9:43:04 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Planning to walk your tracers in is a bit optimistic with an 8 round magazine  |
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Posted: 1/11/2023 9:48:51 AM EST
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Quote HistoryWould be a good companion to the M240 that just sold for $480K. |
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Posted: 1/11/2023 10:02:07 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Damn, that’s literally as bright as a birthday cake candle. I guess in a totally dark room, it would allow you to see the silhouette of the sights but I can’t imagine it provides much in the way of target ID, certainly not at anything further than a couple feet. IDK, maybe I’m not understanding how this thing worked or was intended to be used Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I wonder how long the battery lasted, and how bright it was? They called it the siebenundachtzig - 8 lumens for 7 minutes. Damn, that’s literally as bright as a birthday cake candle. I guess in a totally dark room, it would allow you to see the silhouette of the sights but I can’t imagine it provides much in the way of target ID, certainly not at anything further than a couple feet. IDK, maybe I’m not understanding how this thing worked or was intended to be used Seems like it would do a better job of revealing the person holding the gun than it would illuminating its target. And where did Hitler go that didn't have enough light sources that would necessitate something like this? Just another example of Nazi Germany era engineering. Excellent craftsmanship & innovation, for what actual purpose? |
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Posted: 1/11/2023 10:08:51 AM EST
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Quote HistoryGood find! |
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Posted: 1/11/2023 10:18:50 AM EST
[#26]
That is 1000% cooler looking that anything from a 70s - 80s action movie.
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Posted: 1/11/2023 10:29:59 AM EST
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I saw this on my phone yesterday and that it was a joke... That is neat as shit!
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Posted: 1/11/2023 10:51:32 AM EST
[#28]
Everyone's repeated the consignor's auction description for the last 10 years.
Claims there's another one in a German military museum, but nobody ever says which museum. |
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Posted: 1/11/2023 11:40:38 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I am quite skeptical of this. I've been a cartridge collector for a very long time. During the era of that Luger, AFAIK, the Germans didn't make tracer ammunition in handgun calibers. Plus, adjusting your fire with tracers at handgun ranges seems dubious. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Planning to walk your tracers in is a bit optimistic with an 8 round magazine I am quite skeptical of this. I've been a cartridge collector for a very long time. During the era of that Luger, AFAIK, the Germans didn't make tracer ammunition in handgun calibers. Plus, adjusting your fire with tracers at handgun ranges seems dubious. I would imagine that Hitler's bodyguard could get pretty much anything the Germans had ever made, plus anything that could be acquired internationally. The British also made 9mm tracers and its not beyond all reason that a case of them would have fallen into German hands at some point. There wouldn't have to have been a lot of ammo for this. |
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Posted: 1/11/2023 1:18:40 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The germans absolutely made 9mm tracer prewar for export , and the German navy ordered some for signaling. I would imagine that Hitler's bodyguard could get pretty much anything the Germans had ever made, plus anything that could be acquired internationally. The British also made 9mm tracers and its not beyond all reason that a case of them would have fallen into German hands at some point. There wouldn't have to have been a lot of ammo for this. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Planning to walk your tracers in is a bit optimistic with an 8 round magazine I am quite skeptical of this. I've been a cartridge collector for a very long time. During the era of that Luger, AFAIK, the Germans didn't make tracer ammunition in handgun calibers. Plus, adjusting your fire with tracers at handgun ranges seems dubious. I would imagine that Hitler's bodyguard could get pretty much anything the Germans had ever made, plus anything that could be acquired internationally. The British also made 9mm tracers and its not beyond all reason that a case of them would have fallen into German hands at some point. There wouldn't have to have been a lot of ammo for this. This Luger is chambered for 7.65 Luger, and I'm not aware of any tracer ammo being produced (in quantity at least). I'm also pretty sceptical about the whole thing, the light doesn't make sense considering the circumstances and the only source is the original auction listing from over a decade ago. I hope that whoever bought it got some form of documentation which proves the provenance. |
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Posted: 1/11/2023 1:25:41 PM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They called it the siebenundachtzig - 8 lumens for 7 minutes. And every time they touched it, it drained the battery. |
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Posted: 1/11/2023 1:36:43 PM EST
[#32]
That is really cool.
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Posted: 1/11/2023 2:38:05 PM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There is another. Oregon military museum has a pistol I was told was from one of Himmler's bodyguards. .32 caliber Steyr or Sauer. Can't honestly remember. Anyway, not p08 or p38. It was fitted with a double brass tube under the barrel. One tube was batteries, the other contained the bulb and reflector. There was a pressure switch, also brass, on the right side of the grip. No pics, it's been more than 20 years, but Nazi Steampunk inventions are kinda memorable. Yes, the Oregon Military Museum has one built on a Sauer 38. If I can find the photos I took of it I'll add them to the discussion. Or I'll take some new ones if I can get into the vault this week. |
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Posted: 1/11/2023 2:39:43 PM EST
[#34]
TodayOPwasprettycool.jpg
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Posted: 1/11/2023 4:29:56 PM EST
[#35]
That’s really neat.
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Posted: 1/11/2023 9:40:33 PM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This Luger is chambered for 7.65 Luger, and I'm not aware of any tracer ammo being produced (in quantity at least). I'm also pretty sceptical about the whole thing, the light doesn't make sense considering the circumstances and the only source is the original auction listing from over a decade ago. I hope that whoever bought it got some form of documentation which proves the provenance. The consensus from my collector colleagues is that this pistol and the tracer ammunition claim are dubious at best. The only known tracer ammunition in 7.65 is essentially one specimen of a Swiss made round from 1921 that is more rare than hen's teeth. |
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Posted: 1/11/2023 9:46:53 PM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The germans absolutely made 9mm tracer prewar for export , and the German navy ordered some for signaling. I would imagine that Hitler's bodyguard could get pretty much anything the Germans had ever made, plus anything that could be acquired internationally. The British also made 9mm tracers and its not beyond all reason that a case of them would have fallen into German hands at some point. There wouldn't have to have been a lot of ammo for this. If you read your link, the "German" 9mm tracers were made by Spain after the war using German cases. The Kreigsmarine ordered tracers but they were never delivered, the cartridges in question being experimental at best. |
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Posted: 1/11/2023 9:51:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I mean they had night vision on assault rifles in 1944. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/231252/ksognfctxcr11_jpg-2668324.JPG Vampir................had them on certain tanks as well as a halftrack with a large IR spotlight to work in conjunction with the tanks |
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Posted: 1/11/2023 10:41:02 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Steampunk worthy. That's what I thought when I saw the second photo posted by Mal Means Bad on page one. It looks right out of Steampunk. |
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Posted: 1/11/2023 10:46:16 PM EST
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Posted: 1/11/2023 11:03:44 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Would be a good companion to the M240 that just sold for $480K. Quote HistoryQuoted: Would be a good companion to the M240 that just sold for $480K. Mad flex showing up for the apocalypse with that combo. |
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Posted: 1/12/2023 9:07:04 AM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Mad flex showing up for the apocalypse with that combo. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Would be a good companion to the M240 that just sold for $480K. Mad flex showing up for the apocalypse with that combo.   |
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Posted: 1/12/2023 8:03:31 PM EST
[#43]
Neat
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Posted: 1/12/2023 8:28:58 PM EST
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I remember seeing pictures of MACV-SOG guys taping those folding lights to their CAR15’s.
Hard to believe there are still guys who don’t believe in weapon lights. Guys posting multi thousand dollar AR’s with crazy expensive optics yet no light or sling. |
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Posted: 1/13/2023 5:37:19 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This Luger is chambered for 7.65 Luger, and I'm not aware of any tracer ammo being produced (in quantity at least). https://forum.cartridgecollectors.org/t/ww2-german-7-65x21mm-tracer-ammunition/52922 |
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Posted: 1/13/2023 5:46:16 PM EST
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Them dam Germans made and still make some good shit.
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Posted: 1/13/2023 5:46:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They called it the siebenundachtzig - 8 lumens for 7 minutes. :eyeroll: Wonder how many will pick up on this. |
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Posted: 1/13/2023 6:40:02 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just get a snail mag, spray and pray https://image.invaluable.com/housePhotos/morphy/27/619327/H1097-L135624077.jpg Pardon me sir, is that handgun a rifle with a barrel less than 18"? |
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Posted: 1/13/2023 8:36:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pardon me sir, is that handgun a rifle with a barrel less than 18"?  No stamp required. |
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Posted: 1/13/2023 8:46:22 PM EST
[#50]
I have a book somewhere that has that exact gun pictured in it. Always wondered WTF was up with it or where it came from. Now I know.
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