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Posted: 1/15/2022 5:06:57 PM EDT
[#1]
Do want for my G29 hunting/woods pack gun
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Posted: 1/15/2022 5:08:33 PM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't hate any American companies. I'm disappointed that some companies refuse to innovate and compete. That's all. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: so i have learned in this thread we hate American companies and love Chicom products  I don't hate any American companies. I'm disappointed that some companies refuse to innovate and compete. That's all. 
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Posted: 1/15/2022 5:11:21 PM EDT
[#3]
Open Questions:
- can it pass a drop test (assume yes) - battery life - does the auto adjust brightness not suck |
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Posted: 1/15/2022 5:13:53 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not bad! Where the hell is Trijicon? I don't understand how they can be this deep in hibernation. Why would they care about innovation? They're on the govt titty with all their .mil contracts. |
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Posted: 1/15/2022 5:14:07 PM EDT
[#5]
I’ll get ahead of the muh iron sights….
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Posted: 1/15/2022 5:14:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: i guess I'm just a Trijicon fanboy and I'm supporting your people in Wixom I won't be beating you up at all. 
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Posted: 1/15/2022 5:18:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Open Questions: - can it pass a drop test (assume yes) - battery life - does the auto adjust brightness not suck Unless it is significantly more fragile than the other HS sights, I would be fairly confident. I cannot imagine the battery life would be substantially less than the other current sights, which is generally quoted as 50K hours with the dot only, set at the middle of the brightness range. I have no issue with the auto brightness on my 508T; that said, if it bothers you, it can be disabled without tools. I am pretty sure the same control sequence would be used on these new sights. |
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Posted: 1/15/2022 5:21:55 PM EDT
[#8]
I currently have a 407K on my P365XL. I may end up grabbing this for it.
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Posted: 1/15/2022 5:29:49 PM EDT
[#9]
So not an RMR cut, but an RMS cut?
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Posted: 1/15/2022 5:31:58 PM EDT
[#10]
I'm looking forward to seeing the price p oint on the cheaper, non-solar AEMS Core sight from Holosun's SHOT releases. They also have some illuminators / PID weapon mounted lasers
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Posted: 1/15/2022 5:32:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So not an RMR cut, but an RMS cut? These and the other "K" sights use a variation of the Shield RMSc footprint, yes. |
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Posted: 1/15/2022 5:35:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not bad! Where the hell is Trijicon? I don't understand how they can be this deep in hibernation. When people keep buying in name (like Glock), what is the reason to innovate at all? |
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Posted: 1/15/2022 5:39:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: so i have learned in this thread we hate American companies and love Chicom products Nobody is saying that, Drama Queen. |
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Posted: 1/15/2022 5:42:21 PM EDT
[#14]
Holosun failure rates are also a thing
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Posted: 1/15/2022 5:49:22 PM EDT
[#15]
In the grand scheme of things, what major innovation is NEEDED in the world of RDS, be it pistol or rifle mounted? It's a dot used for aiming. That's about it. Other than the battery location on an RMR what else does Trijicon need to "innovate" exactly?
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Posted: 1/15/2022 5:54:46 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: In the grand scheme of things, what major innovation is NEEDED in the world of RDS, be it pistol or rifle mounted? It's a dot used for aiming. That's about it. Other than the battery location on an RMR what else does Trijicon need to "innovate" exactly? Post up a link or photo of a Trijicon MRDS with enclosed emitter. |
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Posted: 1/15/2022 6:16:28 PM EDT
[#17]
A couple years ago Chinasun had a low profile RDS that they were showing as proof of concept. It sat way low, with the base barely rising above the slide cutout. It allowed co-witness without supressor height sights.
If I recall correctly, it had no battery and was solar powered only. Then I heard it had capacitors and would run for a day off a solar charge. Found it..  SHOT 2020 - Holosun ULTRA SLIM Battery-Less Pistol Sight (BLPS) |
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Posted: 1/15/2022 6:32:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A couple years ago Chinasun had a low profile RDS that they were showing as proof of concept. It sat way low, with the base barely rising above the slide cutout. It allowed co-witness without supressor height sights. If I recall correctly, it had no battery and was solar powered only. Then I heard it had capacitors and would run for a day off a solar charge. Found it..  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fP_1Yk_3DHAYes, that is what is currently being referred to as the SCS, mentioned a couple of times in this thread. |
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Posted: 1/15/2022 6:36:14 PM EDT
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Quoted: These new models use the same footprint/fastener spacing as the existing 407K & 507K optics for compact and/or narrow slide pistols, but have the enclosed emitter like the 509T. Think of these as a 509T without the proprietary dovetail/clamp mount, and with a narrowed chassis on the Carry version (on the left), but retaining all of the other features, including 6 MOA selectable circle/dot reticle, the PV panel for Solar Failsafe, Shake-Awake, and the side-load battery tray, as well as IPX8 waterproof rating. I have not yet been able to find anything anywhere on price range. Probably will be announced at shot, along with the details on the SCS (Self-Charging Sight). https://fragoutmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/holosun-eps-1080x731.jpg https://fragoutmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/holosun-eps-2-1080x731.jpg https://fragoutmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/holosun-eps-3.jpg @BradN This puts another wrinkle into what we were discussing WRT milling a 1911-A1 slide for 509T! @45-Seventy @fox2008 @J-Pat @Notcalifornialegal @YoteSlayer69 @Real_PhillBert @Rudukai13 @RustedAce @macman37 Interesting @kozaki I'm sure we can work with this. |
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Posted: 1/15/2022 7:18:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Holosun failure rates are also a thing Interestingly in 94 or 95 when i was poor, i put a BSA RD42 on a Colt AR and ran it at work for about 5 years then gave it to a friend who still runs in on a Lage upper m11 open bolt in full auto matches. Sometimes you don’t get what you pay for. Sometimes you get much more. |
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Posted: 1/15/2022 7:31:17 PM EDT
[#21]
So if I understand this correctly, this is basically an aimpoint acro, but not the size of a television?
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Posted: 1/15/2022 7:35:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, that is what is currently being referred to as the SCS, mentioned a couple of times in this thread. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: A couple years ago Chinasun had a low profile RDS that they were showing as proof of concept. It sat way low, with the base barely rising above the slide cutout. It allowed co-witness without supressor height sights. If I recall correctly, it had no battery and was solar powered only. Then I heard it had capacitors and would run for a day off a solar charge. Found it.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fP_1Yk_3DHAYes, that is what is currently being referred to as the SCS, mentioned a couple of times in this thread. @Dumak @kozaki And they’re now putting that into production too: https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/NEW-Holosun-SCS-ultra-low-profile-pistol-RDS/5-2522438/ |
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Posted: 1/15/2022 7:36:12 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: In the grand scheme of things, what major innovation is NEEDED in the world of RDS, be it pistol or rifle mounted? It's a dot used for aiming. That's about it. Other than the battery location on an RMR what else does Trijicon need to "innovate" exactly? The battery location would be a pretty damn good start |
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Posted: 1/15/2022 7:42:47 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So if I understand this correctly, this is basically an aimpoint acro, but not the size of a television?  [GD] "It's not that big grandpa boomer lmao I carry it AIWB all day on my Glock19 with a 24 round mag and I don't even print at all!"  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/15/2022 8:10:54 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So if I understand this correctly, this is basically an aimpoint acro, but not the size of a television? Quote HistoryQuoted: So if I understand this correctly, this is basically an aimpoint acro, but not the size of a television? That's a good rundown, yes. Quoted: @Dumak @kozaki And they’re now putting that into production too: https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/NEW-Holosun-SCS-ultra-low-profile-pistol-RDS/5-2522438/ Ahh yes, thank-you for the link!  |
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Posted: 1/15/2022 10:12:59 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: [GD] "It's not that big grandpa boomer lmao I carry it AIWB all day on my Glock19 with a 24 round mag and I don't even print at all!" https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/144599/glock-19-x_jpg-2241625.JPG Shut up and take my money
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Posted: 1/15/2022 10:33:23 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not a fan of the goofy branding and the solar panel... Never noticed either while I was looking thru the site. It just looks like a sight and always works. |
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Posted: 1/15/2022 10:36:17 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’ve always heard that the dolor panels on other HS are pretty much useless. Since this has a non replaceable internal battery I guess they might have fixed it You're confusing new model releases-this has a replaceable battery. The sight will run just fine in daylight without it. Frankly, with the shake awake power on mode, I don't know that most people need the solar panel because the sight is only on when the gun is moving. You can literally leave this sight to it's brightest setting and leave it in your safe for 10 years and not kill it. |
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Posted: 1/15/2022 10:38:56 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What do you want Trijicon to do exactly? They offer a very high quality reflex sight in many variations, including a compact version. An enclosed one with a solar panel and shake awake would be a great place to start that conversation... |
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Posted: 1/15/2022 10:43:49 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Might have to sell my 507k, I love the idea of closed emitters. I'm always getting junk in my open emitters and its hard to clean. I had one of my SRO's freeze up and get bricked on a 25 minute walk on a braced pistol carried off body. It was right at freezing, foggy with mild sleet. Use my weapon light to check my cabin doors out when we got back from the walk and saw nothing but a sheet of white. A T-shirt on a finger didn't clear it, and made it worse. Would likely have not been an issue on a CCW gun, but I'm completely over open emitter RDS's now. |
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Posted: 1/15/2022 10:46:00 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: so i have learned in this thread we hate American companies and love Chicom products I love American companies, American Engineering, and American Products. But I don't provide welfare for lazy companies. |
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Posted: 1/15/2022 10:49:15 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Holosun failure rates are also a thing Show Me. I've had to send several of my Trijicons back for repairs. I have bought all of their products I liked, they aren't infallible. |
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Posted: 1/15/2022 10:55:12 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Interestingly in 94 or 95 when i was poor, i put a BSA RD42 on a Colt AR and ran it at work for about 5 years then gave it to a friend who still runs in on a Lage upper m11 open bolt in full auto matches. Sometimes you don’t get what you pay for. Sometimes you get much more. I'm glad you mentioned the Lage Upper on an M11/9...... I had a Trijicon RX30 on mine, and it ate it. The front lens locking ring unscrewed and the lens took such a beating that it started to chip around the edges. I sent it in, and Trijicon didn't repair it, they sent it back reassembled with the same chipped objective lens in it.  I ended up giving it away to a friend that needed a sight for 2-Gun and it served him well until he upgraded to the 4.5MOA RX34. Red Dot sights aren't rocked science, it is entirely possible for cheaper ones to be more durable than fashionable ones. In this case, it outlived my $500 "Get you thru to the end of the Apocalypse and doesn't need batteries" sight. |
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Posted: 1/15/2022 10:57:01 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Show Me. I've had to send several of my Trijicons back for repairs. I have bought all of their products I liked, they aren't infallible. I don't doubt they fail. But everything fails. Saying something fails is a non-sequitur. It is how often failure occurs and to what degree failure is acceptable. |
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Posted: 1/16/2022 7:13:08 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So if I understand this correctly, this is basically an aimpoint acro, but not the size of a television? The eps and eps carry looks like a win to me. After using RMR in the rainy weather of the puget sound I found the open emitter RMR style red dots are vulnerable to rain and mud. Rain and mud can get between the emitter and the lens. It was really lame when I had to shim up the battery with electrical tape to keep my RMRs working. I've been using the enclosed emitter hs509t on my g17 & g19 for about a year now. Both have been reliable. As long as I can see through both lenses I can find the red dot in rain or mud. Hs509t is quality Chinesium. I really hope the quality control on the EPS is the same or better. |
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Posted: 1/16/2022 10:07:00 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't doubt they fail. But everything fails. Saying something fails is a non-sequitur. It is how often failure occurs and to what degree failure is acceptable. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Show Me. I've had to send several of my Trijicons back for repairs. I have bought all of their products I liked, they aren't infallible. I don't doubt they fail. But everything fails. Saying something fails is a non-sequitur. It is how often failure occurs and to what degree failure is acceptable. Thank you. Anything and everything made by man (yes, even Glockfection made by His Holiness St. Gaston of Glock Hisownself) can and will fail. What we all like to think we’re buying is a longer MTBF. |
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Posted: 1/16/2022 10:08:33 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A couple years ago Chinasun had a low profile RDS that they were showing as proof of concept. It sat way low, with the base barely rising above the slide cutout. It allowed co-witness without supressor height sights. If I recall correctly, it had no battery and was solar powered only. Then I heard it had capacitors and would run for a day off a solar charge. Found it.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fP_1Yk_3DHAThat profile would be a wise move for Trijicon to rip off.  Turnabout is fair play, right?
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Posted: 1/16/2022 10:21:04 AM EDT
[#38]
Get one before the inevitable Trijicon lawsuit.
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Posted: 1/16/2022 10:22:12 AM EDT
[#39]
Just got a 507K for my 365X and am definitely interested in going to closed emitters. Will definitely wait a while to see how the non replaceable battery shakes out. The 507 series as a whole is tested enough for me to trust them.
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Posted: 1/16/2022 10:23:54 AM EDT
[#40]
Very odd that they aren’t offering one with a standard RMR footprint. The number of pistols with RMR cuts dwarfs the number with RMRsc cuts.
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Posted: 1/16/2022 10:45:50 AM EDT
[#41]
Time will tell but I’m liking what I’m seeing so far. Hope a lgs gets one in stock so I can look at one in person.
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Posted: 1/16/2022 10:58:23 AM EDT
[#42]
6MOA dot? I hope they offer it with a smaller dot. I really prefer the 2 MOA dots they've been doing on other models.
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Posted: 1/16/2022 10:59:00 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Show Me. I've had to send several of my Trijicons back for repairs. I have bought all of their products I liked, they aren't infallible. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Holosun failure rates are also a thing Show Me. I've had to send several of my Trijicons back for repairs. I have bought all of their products I liked, they aren't infallible. I’ve had 1 Holosun red dot (403R maybe?) fail and 2 RMRs fail on me. No issues out of my 3 507c’s and 507k so far. I also have 3 RMRs that are chugging along as well. |
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Posted: 1/16/2022 11:02:23 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Very odd that they aren’t offering one with a standard RMR footprint. The number of pistols with RMR cuts dwarfs the number with RMRsc cuts. These are targeting their 407/507k market, they already have the 509T for that market…though they need to get it adapted to the RMR footprint and not proprietary, they had to go with that for some reason I am sure as they have been pretty practical in their market approach. |
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Posted: 1/16/2022 11:17:23 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Get one before the inevitable Trijicon lawsuit. On what grounds could they sue regarding these new optics? |
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Posted: 1/16/2022 11:52:39 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: On what grounds could they sue regarding these new optics? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Get one before the inevitable Trijicon lawsuit. On what grounds could they sue regarding these new optics?
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Posted: 1/16/2022 12:04:31 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: An enclosed one with a solar panel and shake awake would be a great place to start that conversation... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What do you want Trijicon to do exactly? They offer a very high quality reflex sight in many variations, including a compact version. An enclosed one with a solar panel and shake awake would be a great place to start that conversation... I don't need either of those. Something that fits the RMSc cut on a Glock without milling or a plate that raises it above the slide would be a bonus. I'd buy one right now. |
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Posted: 1/16/2022 3:24:46 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Just got a 507K for my 365X and am definitely interested in going to closed emitters. Will definitely wait a while to see how the non replaceable battery shakes out. The 507 series as a whole is tested enough for me to trust them. Quote HistoryQuoted: Just got a 507K for my 365X and am definitely interested in going to closed emitters. Will definitely wait a while to see how the non replaceable battery shakes out. The 507 series as a whole is tested enough for me to trust them. Both of these sights have side-load batter trays. The new sight with non-replaceable battery is the SCS. Quoted: I don't need either of those. Something that fits the RMSc cut on a Glock without milling or a plate that raises it above the slide would be a bonus. I'd buy one right now. Check out This Thread on the SCS, fits Glock MOS slides without any other adapter plate or parts. |
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Posted: 1/16/2022 3:30:20 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What do you want Trijicon to do exactly? They offer a very high quality reflex sight in many variations, including a compact version. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Not bad! Where the hell is Trijicon? I don't understand how they can be this deep in hibernation. They offer a very high quality reflex sight in many variations, including a compact version. I don’t want to have to remove the sight to replace the battery. I want a closed emitter so my disgusting bellybutton lint doesn’t block the LED. I prefer the 3-4 different reticle options offered by holosun, but I would forgive that for the first two requests being met. |
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Posted: 1/16/2022 3:31:58 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Very odd that they aren’t offering one with a standard RMR footprint. The number of pistols with RMR cuts dwarfs the number with RMRsc cuts. The issue with an enclosed emitter on the common RMR footprint is the location of the fastener (screw) holes. The RMR layout has the screw holes much closer to the center of the sight, fore/aft. Thats why the 509T is designed with a dovetail/clamp attachment, ditto for the Acro, for that matter. The Shield RMSc/407K/507K layout has the fasteners much farther towards the rear, which leaves enough room for the enclosed housing. |
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