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Posted: 1/16/2022 3:32:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah but does it have Bible verses on the side?  Now we’re asking the important questions. Maybe to assuage the holosun-haters, they should just put quotes from Mao on the side? |
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Posted: 1/17/2022 12:54:54 PM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted:  [GD] "It's not that big grandpa boomer lmao I carry it AIWB all day on my Glock19 with a 24 round mag and I don't even print at all!" https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/144599/glock-19-x_jpg-2241625.JPG How did you get a picture of the prototype Acro 3? |
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Posted: 1/17/2022 1:04:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: An enclosed one with a solar panel and shake awake would be a great place to start that conversation... I don't see why anyone would care about the second two, when you are already counting battery life in years. |
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Posted: 1/17/2022 1:05:48 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: In the grand scheme of things, what major innovation is NEEDED in the world of RDS, be it pistol or rifle mounted? It's a dot used for aiming. That's about it. Other than the battery location on an RMR what else does Trijicon need to "innovate" exactly? |
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Posted: 1/17/2022 1:13:56 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Now we’re asking the important questions. Maybe to assuage the holosun-haters, they should just put quotes from Mao on the side? Naw just having one on your firearm is enough to prove your loyalty...like wearing a Covid mask 
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Posted: 1/17/2022 1:29:18 PM EDT
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Serious question, do companies like Trijicon and Aimpoint make thier own emitters and diodes? Do they make the circuit boards inside as well?
How much of the internals are imported then used to assemble the optic? |
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Posted: 1/17/2022 2:28:12 PM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted:  Yeah, fuck that. Total dealbreaker. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I’ve always heard that the dolor panels on other HS are pretty much useless. Since this has a non replaceable internal battery I guess they might have fixed it Yeah, fuck that. Total dealbreaker. From OP: "and the side-load battery tray," It sounds like if you like your replaceable battery you can keep your replaceable battery. |
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Posted: 1/17/2022 7:37:11 PM EDT
[#8]
These look great. I’m in at $300… $350 maybe. I’m not paying $500 for a anything Holosun, though.
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Posted: 1/17/2022 8:31:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: These look great. I’m in at $300… $350 maybe. I’m not paying $500 for a anything Holosun, though. If street prices vs. MSRP for the previous models is any indication, that won't be a problem. Probably not right away, but before long. |
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Posted: 1/17/2022 8:34:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is this like the China optics race? I’ll be honest and should note, I do have an RMR on my carry gun. But the length and money people will spend to outfit a handgun seems insane these days. It’s a side arm for fucks sake. A fool and his money. I thought the same, until I used one repeatedly for 2-3 months and got used to it. Now I wouldn't build a defensive pistol without some sort of dot, given the choice. |
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Posted: 1/18/2022 1:35:56 AM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I would have to say both. But dots don’t make you faster training does. Half the clowns I shoot with don’t train nearly enough to be proficient with either, but they all got them Gucci Glocks and holosun’s. Ymmv.  Dots make one faster with an equivalent level of training because they’re more efficient. |
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Posted: 1/18/2022 1:42:12 AM EDT
[#12]
So would this fit on this particular cut? New to slide cuts and trying to figure out all the different cuts and patterns to these sights.
https://brimstonegunsmithing.com/p365-trijicon-rmrcc/ |
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Posted: 1/18/2022 8:46:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't hate any American companies. I'm disappointed that some companies refuse to innovate and compete. That's all. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: so i have learned in this thread we hate American companies and love Chicom products I don't hate any American companies. I'm disappointed that some companies refuse to innovate and compete. That's all. Same. I have an RMR. I've been waiting for them to make an enclosed emitter. I would even be willing (though not happy) to tolerate the same battery arrangement. However, all we've received is the SRO. I am willing to spend extra to support American companies, but it doesn't look like we are willing to compete unless there's a government contract attached to it, first. I understand that there's a steep cliff of costs to develop and mfg new products here, and no, neither myself nor the market will tolerate a $900 MRDS, but certainly there must be some avenue to success. I finally, begrudgingly, grabbed a used 509t off the EE, and so far I like it. |
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Posted: 1/18/2022 12:02:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So would this fit on this particular cut? New to slide cuts and trying to figure out all the different cuts and patterns to these sights. https://brimstonegunsmithing.com/p365-trijicon-rmrcc/ Sadly, no. The footprint of the CC is completely proprietary. You would need to have a slide that is set up to accept the 407K/507K. ETA: I see they have this linked below the description: P365 Holosun 407/507 K That is just what you want. |
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Posted: 1/18/2022 1:56:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sadly, no. The footprint of the CC is completely proprietary. You would need to have a slide that is set up to accept the 407K/507K. ETA: I see they have this linked below the description: P365 Holosun 407/507 K That is just what you want. Excellent. Thanks 
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Posted: 1/18/2022 3:21:22 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Excellent. Thanks No problem brother. Just how well do you like the Sig? I'm not a Sig fanboi, but that would be a tempting combo, no joke. |
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Posted: 1/18/2022 3:26:13 PM EDT
[#17]
I tripped and fell in a training class breaking my 507. I'll never own another one.
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Posted: 1/18/2022 3:56:20 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I tripped and fell in a training class breaking my 507. I'll never own another one. Did you try to get any warranty coverage? |
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Posted: 1/18/2022 5:03:14 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Exactly. “Holosun is chinaware. Fuck china.” I’ve said it over and over again. The day Trijicon, Aimpoint, Eotech, make someone that sits atop my P365XL I will gladly go buy it. But I don’t see anything coming out of their camps. Probably because they know what they have the government will buy and don’t really need to innovate. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Dang. Meanwhile at Trijicon, crickets. Exactly. “Holosun is chinaware. Fuck china.” I’ve said it over and over again. The day Trijicon, Aimpoint, Eotech, make someone that sits atop my P365XL I will gladly go buy it. But I don’t see anything coming out of their camps. Probably because they know what they have the government will buy and don’t really need to innovate. Sig has revamped and improved the Romeo Zero (Romeo Zero Pro) according to new press releases from Shot Show. https://www.ar15.com/forums/handguns/Sig-New-Releases-for-2022/14-203055/ In that thread I asked coregon if Sig had addressed the issues of wandering/lost zero from the R0 which I've seen on two different optics. According to coregon, that has been addressed. More options is a good thing IMO. But these (Holo-Sun) look good! |
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Posted: 1/18/2022 5:09:49 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No problem brother. Just how well do you like the Sig? I'm not a Sig fanboi, but that would be a tempting combo, no joke. I just got the Sig the other day and haven't even shot it but compared to my M&Ps its helluva lot better. Compact, feels good in the hand, I love it so far. |
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Posted: 1/18/2022 5:24:04 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I understand the first one, although I think the need might be exaggerated. I don't see why anyone would care about the second two, when you are already counting battery life in years. Because your battery can be complete dead in a Holosun and it will still work in daylight. |
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Posted: 1/18/2022 5:37:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Holosun failure rates are also a thing Just like with any thing. I have the following: RMR RM07 Type 1 HS507C HS507K HS509T Guess which one has had to go back to the manufacturer for repair? Here's a hint, the model that needed to be repaired doesn't start with "HS"...... |
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Posted: 1/18/2022 5:42:50 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I just got the Sig the other day and haven't even shot it but compared to my M&Ps its helluva lot better. Compact, feels good in the hand, I love it so far. Very nice! If you get the slide milled & sight installed, a range report thread would be very much in order! |
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Posted: 1/18/2022 5:46:19 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Did you try to get any warranty coverage? Yep. At the time the replacement was out of stock so I chose the enclosed emitter one, don't remember the model, it's in the safe somewhere. I've since moved on to RMR's for everything. |
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Posted: 1/18/2022 5:54:06 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/18/2022 7:00:06 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I tripped and fell in a training class breaking my 507. I'll never own another one. https://www.ar15.com/forums/ar-15/Broken_RMR/18-684028/? |
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Posted: 1/18/2022 7:00:44 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Because your battery can be complete dead in a Holosun and it will still work in daylight. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I understand the first one, although I think the need might be exaggerated. I don't see why anyone would care about the second two, when you are already counting battery life in years. Because your battery can be complete dead in a Holosun and it will still work in daylight. Or ambient light at night. |
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Posted: 1/18/2022 7:02:09 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I tripped and fell in a training class breaking my 507. I'll never own another one. I managed to break an RMR. I still use them. |
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Posted: 1/18/2022 7:27:21 PM EDT
[#30]
Anyone know when these are going to hit the market? Was about to buy a 507k, but wondering if I should wait for one of these.
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Posted: 1/18/2022 7:33:02 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Anyone know when these are going to hit the market? Was about to buy a 507k, but wondering if I should wait for one of these. Also, a good RMR to RMSc adapter plate? |
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Posted: 1/18/2022 7:59:56 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep. At the time the replacement was out of stock so I chose the enclosed emitter one, don't remember the model, it's in the safe somewhere. I've since moved on to RMR's for everything. Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep. At the time the replacement was out of stock so I chose the enclosed emitter one, don't remember the model, it's in the safe somewhere. I've since moved on to RMR's for everything. Fair enough, thanks. At least they didn't blow you off. Quoted: Anyone know when these are going to hit the market? Was about to buy a 507k, but wondering if I should wait for one of these. I have not heard anything about that, but I will ask around and try to get an answer. Quoted: Also, a good RMR to RMSc adapter plate? I honestly don't know where to send you for that |
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Posted: 1/19/2022 2:17:49 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I just don't get it I guess. These Chinese wonder sights offer me nothing over an RMR. Maybe battery changes. But my RMR that's been on for years doesn't really make me care. Not a Holosun hater either. Thinking about a 507 for a G26 build. Their "innovations" generally just don't appeal to me. |
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Posted: 1/19/2022 2:19:48 PM EDT
[#34]
Still china, still a no.
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Posted: 1/19/2022 2:21:31 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: so i have learned in this thread we hate American companies and love Chicom products The Chinese have infiltrated every industry with their shit, and will be the world super power in 20 years or less. Americans are obsessed with cheap Chinese bullshit and it's not slowing down. |
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Posted: 1/19/2022 2:31:01 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretty much. I never thought I would see it on arfcom, but here we are. The Chinese have infiltrated every industry with their shit, and will be the world super power in 20 years or less. Americans are obsessed with cheap Chinese bullshit and it's not slowing down. You think they're not already.....ok |
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Posted: 1/23/2022 7:23:44 PM EDT
[#37]
To all the boomers clamoring about muh Chyna. Turn caps lock off. Every time you misspell something that you think is clever you sound like an idiot. The time to buy American was 50 years ago, when you built your second house with 100% chinesium. It's not just as gud, it's better. Stop supporting corporate communism.
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Posted: 1/24/2022 2:48:56 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: To all the boomers clamoring about muh Chyna. Turn caps lock off. Every time you misspell something that you think is clever you sound like an idiot. The time to buy American was 50 years ago, when you built your second house with 100% chinesium. It's not just as gud, it's better. Stop supporting corporate communism. Shots fired, shots fired! |
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Posted: 1/24/2022 2:50:06 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Also, a good RMR to RMSc adapter plate? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Anyone know when these are going to hit the market? Was about to buy a 507k, but wondering if I should wait for one of these. Also, a good RMR to RMSc adapter plate? There are two sizes. EPS is the full size and the EPS Carry is the RMSc size. |
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Posted: 1/24/2022 5:17:33 PM EDT
[#40]
Definitely interested in these. Anyone know when they will hit the street?
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Posted: 1/24/2022 5:39:27 PM EDT
[#41]
Well, I was all in to buy a few of these and sell off my HE508T-GR X2's and 407's. I love the 32 MOA circle with 2 MOA dot of the 407/508. The new EPS and EPS carry are only going to be a 6 MOA circle, which is fine for self-defense, but I like the 32/2 MOA circle/dot better. Also, these new sights with a 6 MOA dot on my Staccato-P is too big for 50-100 yard shots. Just my opinion.
https://holosun.com/index/product/item/cid/29.html |
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Posted: 1/24/2022 10:29:10 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, I was all in to buy a few of these and sell off my HE508T-GR X2's and 407's. I love the 32 MOA circle with 2 MOA dot of the 407/508. The new EPS and EPS carry are only going to be a 6 MOA circle, which is fine for self-defense, but I like the 32/2 MOA circle/dot better. Also, these new sights with a 6 MOA dot on my Staccato-P is too big for 50-100 yard shots. Just my opinion. https://holosun.com/index/product/item/cid/29.html Because you’re holding on an aiming point smaller than 6” with a handgun at 100 yards? Actually, you’ll be holding over the aiming point which won’t be obstructed at all. |
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Posted: 1/24/2022 11:42:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because you're holding on an aiming point smaller than 6" with a handgun at 100 yards? Actually, you'll be holding over the aiming point which won't be obstructed at all. I shot a magazine (and made two) hits on a full size silhouette at 200. About 70" of drop at that distance. Aim another man over them. |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 8:49:41 AM EDT
[#44]
I was more interested in these when I thought they were RMR footprint.
Oh well. |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 10:06:52 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I was more interested in these when I thought they were RMR footprint. Oh well. Pretty sure one of them is. |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 2:31:43 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretty sure one of them is. No, afraid not. The screw hole location vs. enclosed housing makes that impossible. |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 2:41:45 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No, afraid not. The screw hole location vs. enclosed housing makes that impossible. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Pretty sure one of them is. No, afraid not. The screw hole location vs. enclosed housing makes that impossible. Yeah, I've been puzzling that one over. The only solution I can envision are captive screws that are turned via vertical gears, if you will. Anyway, it's a shitty solution. Just a thought exercise. |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 3:30:06 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, I've been puzzling that one over. The only solution I can envision are captive screws that are turned via vertical gears, if you will. Anyway, it's a shitty solution. Just a thought exercise. This fore-and-aft sizing/spacing issue is why the 509T used the dovetail-clamp mount. I mean, that's still a viable option, if it weren't, Aimpoint would be doing something different with the Acro. The issue is that the dovetail dimensions and configuration are proprietary for both of those, ditto for the Steiner MPS. |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 9:20:42 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This fore-and-aft sizing/spacing issue is why the 509T used the dovetail-clamp mount. I mean, that's still a viable option, if it weren't, Aimpoint would be doing something different with the Acro. The issue is that the dovetail dimensions and configuration are proprietary for both of those, ditto for the Steiner MPS. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yeah, I've been puzzling that one over. The only solution I can envision are captive screws that are turned via vertical gears, if you will. Anyway, it's a shitty solution. Just a thought exercise. This fore-and-aft sizing/spacing issue is why the 509T used the dovetail-clamp mount. I mean, that's still a viable option, if it weren't, Aimpoint would be doing something different with the Acro. The issue is that the dovetail dimensions and configuration are proprietary for both of those, ditto for the Steiner MPS. A universal dovetail would be swell. |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 9:31:21 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A universal dovetail would be swell. I agree 100%. |
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