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Posted: 1/26/2022 12:00:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, afraid not. The screw hole location vs. enclosed housing makes that impossible. Yeah, that sucks. I just glanced at the two different sizes and assumed one was RMR and one was K. |
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Posted: 1/26/2022 12:04:39 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/26/2022 12:26:28 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/3/2022 11:12:17 AM EDT
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What's up with the footprint on these?
From what I'm reading, the only guns these actually fit without plates or a trip to a machine shop are the P365s? Is that correct? |
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Posted: 2/3/2022 11:23:31 AM EDT
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No matter what the Chicoms do, people will always make what they think are valid excuses to keep handing money over to them.
There are valid reasons why some of us stay away from Chicom built optics..there are valid reasons why Trijicon, Aimpoint and Eotech land contracts and its more than country of origin. Knock yourselves out. |
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Posted: 2/3/2022 11:33:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No matter what the Chicoms do, people will always make what they think are valid excuses to keep handing money over to them. There are valid reasons why some of us stay away from Chicom built optics..there are valid reasons why Trijicon, Aimpoint and Eotech land contracts and its more than country of origin. Knock yourselves out. They are assembled in California. 
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Posted: 2/3/2022 12:00:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Holosun has been absolutely crushing it, but this is GD so it’ll be an “Eye don’t buy from muh chyna” virtue signal thread in very short order and completely disregard the subject of the thread. If you don't care about supporting a communist regime that hates the USA then that's on you pardner. |
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Posted: 2/3/2022 12:04:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, afraid not. The screw hole location vs. enclosed housing makes that impossible. I wonder Trijicon has tried to an enclosed housing with removable locations to allow access to captured screws for an RMR footprint. They could do some kind of threaded insert with a small o-ring, plus add a form of thread sealant to add to waterproofing. |
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Posted: 2/3/2022 1:32:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What's up with the footprint on these? From what I'm reading, the only guns these actually fit without plates or a trip to a machine shop are the P365s? Is that correct? Quote HistoryQuoted: What's up with the footprint on these? From what I'm reading, the only guns these actually fit without plates or a trip to a machine shop are the P365s? Is that correct? I believe this is correct, yes. A quick look around indicates that the optic-ready slides from Sig for use with the Romeo sights accept the 407K/507K without issue, so they should work perfectly for the new enclosed versions. Quoted: I wonder Trijicon has tried to an enclosed housing with removable locations to allow access to captured screws for an RMR footprint. They could do some kind of threaded insert with a small o-ring, plus add a form of thread sealant to add to waterproofing. I had a similar thought about a design that would accommodate the enclosed housing atop the RMR footprint. It would be feasible, I'm sure. However, if what I recall reading about the reception that the inventor of the ACSS reticle received from Trijicon is true, it would probably be wasted effort. |
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Posted: 2/3/2022 1:33:26 PM EDT
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When are these going to be available?
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Posted: 2/3/2022 2:08:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No matter what the Chicoms do, people will always make what they think are valid excuses to keep handing money over to them. There are valid reasons why some of us stay away from Chicom built optics..there are valid reasons why Trijicon, Aimpoint and Eotech land contracts and its more than country of origin. Knock yourselves out. You mean reasons like field grade officers retiring and getting cushy positions with contractors? I currently own 5-6 Trijicon optics, and one Aimpoint. (I've never had an Eotech.) I'm not afraid to buy a better product when I think it's actually a better product. That said... Trijicon, Aimpoint, and Eotech are lagging Holosun quite badly. They are several years behind on technology, models, and options. Eotech just introduced their first pistol optic this year at SHOT. In 2022. It's very average, and based on the price and complete lack of any mention of where it's made, there's a ~80% chance it's Chinese. Aimpoint's pistol optic is huge, expensive, and it has poor battery life. That leaves Trijicon. Trijicon's optics are well made and durable. But... Trijicon pistol optics are not waterproof unless you add an additional cost seal. Holosuns are. Trijicon does not have an enclosed emitter option. Holoson launched theirs 2+ years ago. Trijicon batteries cannot be replaced without removing the optic from the pistol. Holosun's can. Trijicon does not have solar support. Holosun does. The list of differences goes on. Factor in that Trijicon optics cost 2-3x as much as a comparable Holosun, and the case for choosing Trijicon gets really thin really quick. I'll take the not-China purchasing option wherever it makes sense, but right now, in pistol optics, it doesn't make sense. |
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Posted: 2/3/2022 2:16:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I just don't get it I guess. These Chinese wonder sights offer me nothing over an RMR. Maybe battery changes. But my RMR that's been on for years doesn't really make me care. Not a Holosun hater either. Thinking about a 507 for a G26 build. Their "innovations" generally just don't appeal to me. Enclosed emitter. |
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Posted: 2/3/2022 2:48:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When are these going to be available? I'm trying to find out; if I get a solid answer, I'll post here. |
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Posted: 2/3/2022 2:58:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Me too. But lets see, two Aimpoint Micro and an M3 failures. Three RMR failures. Two of three Deltapoints returned for warranty. No failures from EOTech XPS models. No Holosun failures of three models and these have the highest round counts of any of my slide mounted sights. I will pay more but US compa ies are sitting on their hands. And fuck Aimpoint is from a socialist country too. How many of the buy American optic guys here are sriving foreign cars? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: When it’s my life I value performance. Performance comes at a cost. Me too. But lets see, two Aimpoint Micro and an M3 failures. Three RMR failures. Two of three Deltapoints returned for warranty. No failures from EOTech XPS models. No Holosun failures of three models and these have the highest round counts of any of my slide mounted sights. I will pay more but US compa ies are sitting on their hands. And fuck Aimpoint is from a socialist country too. How many of the buy American optic guys here are sriving foreign cars? Well, I think Aimpoint is based in Malmo, and I'm pretty sure that city's been repatriated by the Taliban
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Posted: 2/3/2022 3:11:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you don't care about supporting a communist regime that hates the USA then that's on you pardner. At this point, supporting our own government is supporting a communist regime that hates the USA. |
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Posted: 2/3/2022 3:12:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You mean reasons like field grade officers retiring and getting cushy positions with contractors? I currently own 5-6 Trijicon optics, and one Aimpoint. (I've never had an Eotech.) I'm not afraid to buy a better product when I think it's actually a better product. That said... Trijicon, Aimpoint, and Eotech are lagging Holosun quite badly. They are several years behind on technology, models, and options. Eotech just introduced their first pistol optic this year at SHOT. In 2022. It's very average, and based on the price and complete lack of any mention of where it's made, there's a ~80% chance it's Chinese. Aimpoint's pistol optic is huge, expensive, and it has poor battery life. That leaves Trijicon. Trijicon's optics are well made and durable. But... Trijicon pistol optics are not waterproof unless you add an additional cost seal. Holosuns are. Trijicon does not have an enclosed emitter option. Holoson launched theirs 2+ years ago. Trijicon batteries cannot be replaced without removing the optic from the pistol. Holosun's can. Trijicon does not have solar support. Holosun does. The list of differences goes on. Factor in that Trijicon optics cost 2-3x as much as a comparable Holosun, and the case for choosing Trijicon gets really thin really quick. I'll take the not-China purchasing option wherever it makes sense, but right now, in pistol optics, it doesn't make sense. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: No matter what the Chicoms do, people will always make what they think are valid excuses to keep handing money over to them. There are valid reasons why some of us stay away from Chicom built optics..there are valid reasons why Trijicon, Aimpoint and Eotech land contracts and its more than country of origin. Knock yourselves out. You mean reasons like field grade officers retiring and getting cushy positions with contractors? I currently own 5-6 Trijicon optics, and one Aimpoint. (I've never had an Eotech.) I'm not afraid to buy a better product when I think it's actually a better product. That said... Trijicon, Aimpoint, and Eotech are lagging Holosun quite badly. They are several years behind on technology, models, and options. Eotech just introduced their first pistol optic this year at SHOT. In 2022. It's very average, and based on the price and complete lack of any mention of where it's made, there's a ~80% chance it's Chinese. Aimpoint's pistol optic is huge, expensive, and it has poor battery life. That leaves Trijicon. Trijicon's optics are well made and durable. But... Trijicon pistol optics are not waterproof unless you add an additional cost seal. Holosuns are. Trijicon does not have an enclosed emitter option. Holoson launched theirs 2+ years ago. Trijicon batteries cannot be replaced without removing the optic from the pistol. Holosun's can. Trijicon does not have solar support. Holosun does. The list of differences goes on. Factor in that Trijicon optics cost 2-3x as much as a comparable Holosun, and the case for choosing Trijicon gets really thin really quick. I'll take the not-China purchasing option wherever it makes sense, but right now, in pistol optics, it doesn't make sense. I would desperately love to pay stupid money for a non-Chinese cutting edge MRDS. I'm just not aware of any out there. Handled the Aimpoint P2 at SHOT, and will probably get to play with a demo unit soon, but can't say that I was impressed. The sides of the housing are THICC, and dramatically kill off one's FOV, in my opinion. |
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Posted: 2/3/2022 3:16:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I believe this is correct, yes. A quick look around indicates that the optic-ready slides from Sig for use with the Romeo sights accept the 407K/507K without issue, so they should work perfectly for the new enclosed versions. I had a similar thought about a design that would accommodate the enclosed housing atop the RMR footprint. It would be feasible, I'm sure. However, if what I recall reading about the reception that the inventor of the ACSS reticle received from Trijicon is true, it would probably be wasted effort. |
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Posted: 2/3/2022 3:17:18 PM EDT
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Not a fan of the goofy branding and the solar panel... |
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Posted: 2/3/2022 4:26:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How many of the buy American optic guys here are sriving foreign cars? What do you consider Foreign? A Japanese owned Subaru built in Indiana? Or a Italian owned Dodge built in Canada? A South African Tesla built in California with Chinese components? |
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Posted: 2/3/2022 4:31:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No matter what the Chicoms do, people will always make what they think are valid excuses to keep handing money over to them. There are valid reasons why some of us stay away from Chicom built optics..there are valid reasons why Trijicon, Aimpoint and Eotech land contracts and its more than country of origin. Knock yourselves out. Aimpoint come from a pretty socialist country that the left hails as socialism working. |
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Posted: 2/3/2022 4:47:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Aimpoint come from a pretty socialist country that the left hails as socialism working. Bingo. Aimpoint AB is a Swedish optics company based in Malmö, Sweden that manufactures red dot sights. Fascist collaborators who provided material aid to communist rebels who overthrew Rhodesia. |
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Posted: 2/3/2022 4:56:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: At this point, supporting our own government is supporting a communist regime that hates the USA. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If you don't care about supporting a communist regime that hates the USA then that's on you pardner. At this point, supporting our own government is supporting a communist regime that hates the USA.  Attached File |
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Posted: 2/3/2022 4:59:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Also I read $505 MSRP. No thanks. Damn! |
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Posted: 2/3/2022 6:30:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What happened? Hasn't Trijicon sold ACSS ACOGs? If they have, that comes as news to me. What I read, in a thread here (so take it FWIW), is that this inventor/developer of the reticle approached Trijicon first, and was told they weren't interested, which is how the reticle was adopted by Primary Arms in their line of Holosun sights. |
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Posted: 2/3/2022 6:34:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If they have, that comes as news to me. What I read, in a thread here (so take it FWIW), is that this inventor/developer of the reticle approached Trijicon first, and was told they weren't interested, which is how the reticle was adopted by Primary Arms in their line of Holosun sights. They used to make one. Not sure if they still do. Primary Arms Link for the ACOG with ACSS |
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Posted: 2/3/2022 7:00:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: At this point, supporting our own government is supporting a communist regime that hates the USA. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If you don't care about supporting a communist regime that hates the USA then that's on you pardner. At this point, supporting our own government is supporting a communist regime that hates the USA. I don't support the democrats either. That's a strawman argument. |
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Posted: 2/3/2022 7:07:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Mike Pannone with CTT Solutions uses Holosun. Must not be too bad. I like my 508t, looking forward to these. Most sponsored shooters used the gear they are paid to use. You have heard of sponsorships right? Aaron Cowan of Sage Dynamics uses a lot of holosuns in his videos but if you take his classes you see a lot of trijicon and aimpoint on his personal guns. Newsflash: China pays American firearms instructors to use their optics. Then you will think they aren't shit and buy them with American dollars. @d16man |
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Posted: 2/3/2022 7:29:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Most sponsored shooters used the gear they are paid to use. You have heard of sponsorships right? Aaron Cowan of Sage Dynamics uses a lot of holosuns in his videos but if you take his classes you see a lot of trijicon and aimpoint on his personal guns. Newsflash: China pays American firearms instructors to use their optics. Then you will think they aren't shit and buy them with American dollars. @d16man Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Mike Pannone with CTT Solutions uses Holosun. Must not be too bad. I like my 508t, looking forward to these. Most sponsored shooters used the gear they are paid to use. You have heard of sponsorships right? Aaron Cowan of Sage Dynamics uses a lot of holosuns in his videos but if you take his classes you see a lot of trijicon and aimpoint on his personal guns. Newsflash: China pays American firearms instructors to use their optics. Then you will think they aren't shit and buy them with American dollars. @d16man Does Aaron Cowan actually use them or is he just testing them? There is a bit of a difference. |
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Posted: 2/3/2022 7:34:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't support the democrats either. That's a strawman argument. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: If you don't care about supporting a communist regime that hates the USA then that's on you pardner. At this point, supporting our own government is supporting a communist regime that hates the USA. I don't support the democrats either. That's a strawman argument. If you think it’s just the Democrats, you're sadly mistaken. 
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Posted: 2/3/2022 7:36:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you don't care about supporting a communist regime that hates the USA then that's on you pardner. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Holosun has been absolutely crushing it, but this is GD so it'll be an "Eye don't buy from muh chyna" virtue signal thread in very short order and completely disregard the subject of the thread. If you don't care about supporting a communist regime that hates the USA then that's on you pardner. |
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Posted: 2/3/2022 7:37:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Does Aaron Cowan actually use them or is he just testing them? There is a bit of a difference. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Mike Pannone with CTT Solutions uses Holosun. Must not be too bad. I like my 508t, looking forward to these. Most sponsored shooters used the gear they are paid to use. You have heard of sponsorships right? Aaron Cowan of Sage Dynamics uses a lot of holosuns in his videos but if you take his classes you see a lot of trijicon and aimpoint on his personal guns. Newsflash: China pays American firearms instructors to use their optics. Then you will think they aren't shit and buy them with American dollars. @d16man Does Aaron Cowan actually use them or is he just testing them? There is a bit of a difference. I don't follow his videos, but the ones I've seen all seem to be rather impartial. He's probably the last person I would accuse of shilling for a sponsor. Is the gear he tests donated, or does he buy it himself for testing purposes? |
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Posted: 2/3/2022 7:46:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah but does it have Bible verses on the side?  Probably sayings from Mao's little red book. |
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Posted: 2/3/2022 7:48:26 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No matter what the Chicoms do, people will always make what they think are valid excuses to keep handing money over to them. There are valid reasons why some of us stay away from Chicom built optics..there are valid reasons why Trijicon, Aimpoint and Eotech land contracts and its more than country of origin. Knock yourselves out. MAGA |
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Posted: 2/3/2022 7:51:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI had no idea. Thank-you for the link. |
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Posted: 2/3/2022 8:57:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
I don't follow his videos, but the ones I've seen all seem to be rather impartial. He's probably the last person I would accuse of shilling for a sponsor. Is the gear he tests donated, or does he buy it himself for testing purposes? |
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Posted: 2/3/2022 10:15:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What happened? Hasn't Trijicon sold ACSS ACOGs? They did but I haven't ever seen one in the wild. Even the several stops into PAs storefront. I don't think they sold well at all. Can't blame PA, they hitched a ride on the ACOG which is 1990 technology for 2030 prices. |
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Posted: 2/3/2022 10:22:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you don't care about supporting a communist regime that hates the USA then that's on you pardner. The fucking president potatoe in the white house hates America. "At this point, what difference does it make?" |
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Posted: 2/3/2022 10:23:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: lol, we get most of our imports from countries that hate us. To think otherwise is laughable. Yep. Imagine how many jobs imports create. |
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Posted: 2/3/2022 10:23:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: At this point, supporting our own government is supporting a communist regime that hates the USA. 
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Posted: 2/3/2022 10:26:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When are these going to be available? Primary Arms had this in their email ad earlier today. Is this one of the ones you guys are discussing?  Attached File |
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Posted: 2/4/2022 1:14:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Primary Arms had this in their email ad earlier today. Is this one of the ones you guys are discussing? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/170199/Screenshot_20220203-202455_Chrome_jpg-2266043.JPG Negative, that is the previous enclosed-emitter, the 509T. |
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Posted: 2/4/2022 9:11:15 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I wonder Trijicon has tried to an enclosed housing with removable locations to allow access to captured screws for an RMR footprint. They could do some kind of threaded insert with a small o-ring, plus add a form of thread sealant to add to waterproofing. Or, they could make it on the shield/K footprint which could turn into the standard form enclosed optics. |
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Posted: 2/4/2022 10:15:20 PM EDT
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lol... no way would i buy that
Quote HistoryQuoted:  Top dollar chinesium. |
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Posted: 2/12/2022 12:40:49 AM EDT
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But when?
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Posted: 2/12/2022 6:02:46 PM EDT
[#45]
May expected
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Posted: 2/16/2022 3:20:54 AM EDT
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Wow what a dumpster fire of a thread. I came here to read about the EPS optics and all anybody can talk about is “bUt BuT bUt MaDe iN mUrIcA”.
 Thanks for reminding me why I don’t visit GD.
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Posted: 2/16/2022 3:28:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: so i have learned in this thread we hate American companies and love Chicom products How about American companies are not innovating or even trying to keep up. I'd pay 30% more if Trijicon offered anything I wanted in a pistol mounted RDS. |
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Posted: 2/16/2022 3:30:28 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Holosun failure rates are also a thing Cite please. Not my experience. |
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Posted: 2/16/2022 4:10:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What do you consider Foreign? A Japanese owned Subaru built in Indiana? Or a Italian owned Dodge built in Canada? A South African Tesla built in California with Chinese components? Jokes on you, all the manufacturers use Chinese and Mexican components.
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Posted: 2/16/2022 8:15:11 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Cite please. Not my experience. Not just you. Go talk to instructors who see hundreds of them come through their classes. They're the ones recommending them. People seem to grasping for a reason to hate Holosun. If they weren't filling a massive hole in the industry, they wouldn't be so popular. Companies like Aimpoint and Trijicon should pay attention. |
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