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Posted: 2/15/2020 3:31:11 PM EDT
Interesting, wonder how a Black Hawk would 'enforce' a non-compliant plane.
 Black Hawk Intercepts a Cessna 182 |
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Posted: 2/15/2020 3:33:29 PM EDT
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Minibrrrt?
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Posted: 2/15/2020 3:33:57 PM EDT
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182 can't outrun the Helo?
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Posted: 2/15/2020 3:35:15 PM EDT
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182 can't outrun the Helo? |
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Posted: 2/15/2020 3:36:00 PM EDT
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182 can't outrun the Helo? 
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Posted: 2/15/2020 3:37:53 PM EDT
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They were lucky ... this time.
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Posted: 2/15/2020 3:38:34 PM EDT
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Interesting, wonder how a Black Hawk would 'enforce' a non-compliant plane.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKhpq73ZVuY |
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Posted: 2/15/2020 3:39:14 PM EDT
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I bet if one could look, there was a MIL jet somewhere behind said 182.... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 2/15/2020 3:40:10 PM EDT
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Google just told me the 182's maximum speed is about the same as Blackhawk's cruise speed.
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Posted: 2/15/2020 3:41:25 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/15/2020 3:42:15 PM EDT
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Since we're loving on the F-16 here lately.
 F-16 Intercept |
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Posted: 2/15/2020 3:46:02 PM EDT
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it would be cool to see what a mini gun does to a cessna
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Posted: 2/15/2020 3:48:27 PM EDT
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Fuck no. Hawks are much faster. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 2/15/2020 3:49:15 PM EDT
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 This is what happens when you take money out of the military and put it into health care.mov
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Posted: 2/15/2020 3:50:04 PM EDT
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it would be cool to see what a mini gun does to a cessna
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Posted: 2/15/2020 3:54:20 PM EDT
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Without getting into details that could get me in trouble, more than one federal LE unit has armed Blackhawks. I'm not talking about DAPs or anything like that, but window mounts with either 60's or 240's on swing arms. They seem to prefer mounting solutions that allow them to swing the guns in when not in use so as not to alarm the sheeple, but make no mistake if "them soup bois" are bringing a hawk full of dudes wearing Crye stuff, they will probly have belt guns in the crew chief window.
And of course they can always rely on NG or DOD assets if it's a significant enough event. |
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Posted: 2/15/2020 3:55:03 PM EDT
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double tap
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Posted: 2/15/2020 3:56:33 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/15/2020 3:57:50 PM EDT
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Guy should have replied
Alahu Snackbar |
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Posted: 2/15/2020 4:41:43 PM EDT
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Against a Cessna, normal rifle fire from an AR of some sort would probably do the trick just fine. There isn't much material in most of the plane that would stop a bullet from hitting the pilot or important controls/parts.
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Posted: 2/15/2020 4:48:45 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/15/2020 4:51:38 PM EDT
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Interesting, wonder how a Black Hawk would 'enforce' a non-compliant plane. |
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Posted: 2/15/2020 4:52:03 PM EDT
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Doubtful, it was an exercise. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 2/15/2020 4:53:51 PM EDT
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Interesting, wonder how a Black Hawk would 'enforce' a non-compliant plane. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKhpq73ZVuYA drug load coming from down south ? Probably just maintain contact and call in other air assets because the 182 has to land eventually. A plane heading into restricted airspace like the security zone around a crowded Super Bowl stadium would justify a more aggressive response. CBP air and marine have SCAR -Hs for taking out engines. Usually for boats though. The Coast guard has shotguns with slugs and Reflex sights and Robar .50 BMG Rifles for the same tasks. In fact the USCG has an outboard engine used to qual with the slug guns. |
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Posted: 2/15/2020 4:59:39 PM EDT
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Those pilots in the Blackhawk are ballers.
Great dudes |
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Posted: 2/15/2020 5:00:28 PM EDT
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 Coast Guard's agile Blackjack unit intercepts potential threats in D.C. sky LOL, not armed, yeah right. There’s a Barrett .50 on board. |
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Posted: 2/15/2020 5:05:16 PM EDT
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182 can't outrun the Helo? |
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Posted: 2/15/2020 5:09:19 PM EDT
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Against a Cessna, normal rifle fire from an AR of some sort would probably do the trick just fine. There isn't much material in most of the plane that would stop a bullet from hitting the pilot or important controls/parts. Once the blackhawk started taking fire it would have to disengage anyway. It can't stay there. And suppose the plane just never answered and ignored them. Would someone in the national guard truly give an order to shoot a civilian plane down over a densely populated urban area with machinegun fire? Would they even be authorized to give that order? I just doubt it. A terrorist using this tactic will most likely succeed because at the end of the day, nobody will make that decision, or it would be made too late to matter anyway. This exercise is a publicly visible deterrence. A show of force for football fans. If it wasn't, would they really reveal their TTP? If hadji was going to do this, he wouldn't come with just one plane either. It would be five or six at the same time. |
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Posted: 2/15/2020 5:10:20 PM EDT
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Quoted: Depends on the circumstances. A drug load coming from down south ? Probably just maintain contact and call in other air assets because the 182 has to land eventually. A plane heading into restricted airspace like the security zone around a crowded Super Bowl stadium would justify a more aggressive response. CBP air and marine have SCAR -Hs for taking out engines. Usually for boats though. The Coast guard has shotguns with slugs and Reflex sights and Robar .50 BMG Rifles for the same tasks. In fact the USCG has an outboard engine used to qual with the slug guns. |
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Posted: 2/15/2020 5:11:58 PM EDT
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Without getting into details that could get me in trouble, more than one federal LE unit has armed Blackhawks. I'm not talking about DAPs or anything like that, but window mounts with either 60's or 240's on swing arms. They seem to prefer mounting solutions that allow them to swing the guns in when not in use so as not to alarm the sheeple, but make no mistake if "them soup bois" are bringing a hawk full of dudes wearing Crye stuff, they will probly have belt guns in the crew chief window. And of course they can always rely on NG or DOD assets if it's a significant enough event. |
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Posted: 2/15/2020 5:14:14 PM EDT
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The whole helicopter vs plane thing reminded of the cheesy movie Firebirds (Nicholas Cage/Tommy Lee Jones)
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Posted: 2/15/2020 5:19:01 PM EDT
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There’s almost no limit to LE firepower anymore. I remember seeing some Texas state boats that looked straight out of act of valor. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Without getting into details that could get me in trouble, more than one federal LE unit has armed Blackhawks. I'm not talking about DAPs or anything like that, but window mounts with either 60's or 240's on swing arms. They seem to prefer mounting solutions that allow them to swing the guns in when not in use so as not to alarm the sheeple, but make no mistake if "them soup bois" are bringing a hawk full of dudes wearing Crye stuff, they will probly have belt guns in the crew chief window. And of course they can always rely on NG or DOD assets if it's a significant enough event. 
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Posted: 2/15/2020 5:26:10 PM EDT
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Interesting, wonder how a Black Hawk would 'enforce' a non-compliant plane. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKhpq73ZVuY Rotor wash accident |
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Posted: 2/15/2020 5:32:04 PM EDT
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Interesting, wonder how a Black Hawk would 'enforce' a non-compliant plane. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKhpq73ZVuY |
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Posted: 2/15/2020 5:35:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fuck no. Hawks are much faster. |
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Posted: 2/15/2020 5:36:48 PM EDT
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I remember that from one of Bracken's books. The third one iirc.
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Posted: 2/15/2020 5:38:24 PM EDT
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You may outrun the helo, but you won't outrun the missile. Kind of a modern take on "You may outrun the cop car, but you won't outrun his radio.
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Posted: 2/15/2020 5:38:36 PM EDT
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About 30 something years ago we were flying OV-10's on JTF-6 missions along the border. We were not armed. We were out in the middle of nowhere in AZ when we saw a 172 lift off of a dirt strip. We got up nice and tight on the guy and there were no numbers on that aircraft anywhere (you could see where they'd been painted over). Guy didn't try to evade, so we just followed him until we were about out of fuel and called other assets to pick him up. He was flying west and it turns out he was just a dude with an airplane (so we were told by the DEA kiddos). You could see how easy it would be to just hop back and forth across the border.
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Posted: 2/15/2020 5:40:02 PM EDT
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Against a Cessna, normal rifle fire from an AR of some sort would probably do the trick just fine. There isn't much material in most of the plane that would stop a bullet from hitting the pilot or important controls/parts. That ought to do it.
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Posted: 2/15/2020 5:49:03 PM EDT
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The reverse is even more true. It would be easier to shoot the blackhawk out of the sky at that distance than the Cessna with any given small arm. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Against a Cessna, normal rifle fire from an AR of some sort would probably do the trick just fine. There isn't much material in most of the plane that would stop a bullet from hitting the pilot or important controls/parts. The Blackhawk was designed to take hits and keep flying. Cessnas were not. |
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Posted: 2/15/2020 6:05:28 PM EDT
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No. The Blackhawk was designed to take hits and keep flying. Cessnas were not. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Against a Cessna, normal rifle fire from an AR of some sort would probably do the trick just fine. There isn't much material in most of the plane that would stop a bullet from hitting the pilot or important controls/parts. The Blackhawk was designed to take hits and keep flying. Cessnas were not. But any transport helicopter is extraordinarily vulnerable to close range small arms fire and has several critical areas exposed at once, especially from the side like that. The point is, it's not going to stay there and go toe to toe. |
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Posted: 2/15/2020 9:01:58 PM EDT
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The DPS boats that patrol the Rio Grande are pretty cool. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/175250/53FC9E0A-887A-4EF7-A3B5-0318AF80A614-1277280.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/175250/0958E1C4-5D6A-4747-A768-16A3F9882CC4-1277281.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Without getting into details that could get me in trouble, more than one federal LE unit has armed Blackhawks. I'm not talking about DAPs or anything like that, but window mounts with either 60's or 240's on swing arms. They seem to prefer mounting solutions that allow them to swing the guns in when not in use so as not to alarm the sheeple, but make no mistake if "them soup bois" are bringing a hawk full of dudes wearing Crye stuff, they will probly have belt guns in the crew chief window. And of course they can always rely on NG or DOD assets if it's a significant enough event. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/175250/53FC9E0A-887A-4EF7-A3B5-0318AF80A614-1277280.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/175250/0958E1C4-5D6A-4747-A768-16A3F9882CC4-1277281.jpg |
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Posted: 2/15/2020 9:08:15 PM EDT
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Without getting into details that could get me in trouble, more than one federal LE unit has armed Blackhawks. I'm not talking about DAPs or anything like that, but window mounts with either 60's or 240's on swing arms. They seem to prefer mounting solutions that allow them to swing the guns in when not in use so as not to alarm the sheeple, but make no mistake if "them soup bois" are bringing a hawk full of dudes wearing Crye stuff, they will probly have belt guns in the crew chief window. And of course they can always rely on NG or DOD assets if it's a significant enough event. |
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Posted: 2/15/2020 9:08:47 PM EDT
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Land on it?
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Posted: 2/15/2020 9:15:12 PM EDT
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I’m taking the Blackhawk over the Cessna, and I have a few hours in a turbo RG 182.
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Posted: 2/15/2020 9:30:42 PM EDT
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Video is all a training exercise. CAP is working with them. CAP does Sundown Patrols as well working with Homeland Security.
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Posted: 2/15/2020 9:32:25 PM EDT
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it would be cool to see what a mini gun does to a cessna
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Posted: 2/15/2020 9:38:23 PM EDT
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The DPS boats that patrol the Rio Grande are pretty cool. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/175250/53FC9E0A-887A-4EF7-A3B5-0318AF80A614-1277280.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/175250/0958E1C4-5D6A-4747-A768-16A3F9882CC4-1277281.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Without getting into details that could get me in trouble, more than one federal LE unit has armed Blackhawks. I'm not talking about DAPs or anything like that, but window mounts with either 60's or 240's on swing arms. They seem to prefer mounting solutions that allow them to swing the guns in when not in use so as not to alarm the sheeple, but make no mistake if "them soup bois" are bringing a hawk full of dudes wearing Crye stuff, they will probly have belt guns in the crew chief window. And of course they can always rely on NG or DOD assets if it's a significant enough event. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/175250/53FC9E0A-887A-4EF7-A3B5-0318AF80A614-1277280.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/175250/0958E1C4-5D6A-4747-A768-16A3F9882CC4-1277281.jpg |
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Posted: 2/15/2020 9:39:20 PM EDT
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Video is all a training exercise. CAP is working with them. CAP does Sundown Patrols as well working with Homeland Security. Im 36. Nope. |
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Posted: 2/15/2020 9:41:24 PM EDT
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The DPS boats that patrol the Rio Grande are pretty cool. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/175250/53FC9E0A-887A-4EF7-A3B5-0318AF80A614-1277280.jpg WTF do they think they will encounter with that boat? Looks like a terrible waste of money to me. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/175250/0958E1C4-5D6A-4747-A768-16A3F9882CC4-1277281.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Without getting into details that could get me in trouble, more than one federal LE unit has armed Blackhawks. I'm not talking about DAPs or anything like that, but window mounts with either 60's or 240's on swing arms. They seem to prefer mounting solutions that allow them to swing the guns in when not in use so as not to alarm the sheeple, but make no mistake if "them soup bois" are bringing a hawk full of dudes wearing Crye stuff, they will probly have belt guns in the crew chief window. And of course they can always rely on NG or DOD assets if it's a significant enough event. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/175250/53FC9E0A-887A-4EF7-A3B5-0318AF80A614-1277280.jpg WTF do they think they will encounter with that boat? Looks like a terrible waste of money to me. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/175250/0958E1C4-5D6A-4747-A768-16A3F9882CC4-1277281.jpg |
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Posted: 2/15/2020 9:45:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The reverse is even more true. It would be easier to shoot the blackhawk out of the sky at that distance than the Cessna with any given small arm. Once the blackhawk started taking fire it would have to disengage anyway. It can't stay there......  White House under Attack, Olympus Has Fallen 2013 |
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