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Posted: 2/15/2020 9:46:12 PM EDT
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We had a Bawk pilot who had a 182, used it to fly to both drill and his DC-8 UPS job.
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Posted: 2/15/2020 9:59:08 PM EDT
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Without getting into details that could get me in trouble, more than one federal LE unit has armed Blackhawks. I'm not talking about DAPs or anything like that, but window mounts with either 60's or 240's on swing arms. They seem to prefer mounting solutions that allow them to swing the guns in when not in use so as not to alarm the sheeple, but make no mistake if "them soup bois" are bringing a hawk full of dudes wearing Crye stuff, they will probly have belt guns in the crew chief window. And of course they can always rely on NG or DOD assets if it's a significant enough event. |
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Posted: 2/15/2020 10:05:03 PM EDT
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ESSS?
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Posted: 2/15/2020 10:11:47 PM EDT
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Interesting, wonder how a Black Hawk would 'enforce' a non-compliant plane.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKhpq73ZVuY
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Posted: 2/15/2020 10:17:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Internet search says Cessna 182 top speed 168, Blackhawk top speed 220 |
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Posted: 2/15/2020 10:20:56 PM EDT
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That’s not accurate for the Blackhawk Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Internet search says Cessna 182 top speed 168, Blackhawk top speed 220 Typical Empty Weight*: 10,387 - 11,253 lbs 4,711 - 5,104 kg Max. Operating Weight*: 15,976 - 16,803 lbs 7,246 - 7,621 kg Max. Take-Off Weight*: 22,000 lbs 10,000 kg Cruise Speed*: 139 - 145 kts @ 4,000 ft and 95°F 257 - 268 kph VNE Speed*: 193 kts Vertical Rate of Climb*: 390 - 1,000 fpm 119 - 305 mpm Service Ceiling*: 19,000 ft 5,791 m HIGE*: 18,000 ft MSL at 25 C at 18,000 lbs HOGE*: 18,000 ft MSL at 25 C at 16,400 lbs Typical Range*: 300 nautical miles w/ 30 min. reserve 555 km w/ 30 min. reserve Typical Endurance*: >3 Hrs. |
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Posted: 2/15/2020 10:21:35 PM EDT
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Same way the CIA Huey enforced policy on Communist AN-2 biplanes. https://www.smartage.pl/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/1-11.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Interesting, wonder how a Black Hawk would 'enforce' a non-compliant plane. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKhpq73ZVuYhttps://www.smartage.pl/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/1-11.jpg 
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Posted: 2/15/2020 10:30:04 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/15/2020 10:36:35 PM EDT
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We’re missing one of those 50’s vintage planes here. Perhaps a black hawk visited Wednesday.
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Posted: 2/15/2020 10:39:51 PM EDT
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They’re seriously wearing inflatable pfds?
Quote HistoryQuoted: The DPS boats that patrol the Rio Grande are pretty cool. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/175250/53FC9E0A-887A-4EF7-A3B5-0318AF80A614-1277280.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/175250/0958E1C4-5D6A-4747-A768-16A3F9882CC4-1277281.jpg |
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Posted: 2/15/2020 10:42:58 PM EDT
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 Flight VY8366 intercepted by Mirage 2000 |
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Posted: 2/15/2020 10:43:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Coast guard has shotguns with slugs and Reflex sights and Robar .50 BMG Rifles for the same tasks. In fact the USCG has an outboard engine used to qual with the slug guns. |
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Posted: 2/15/2020 10:46:53 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/15/2020 10:48:05 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/15/2020 10:49:10 PM EDT
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Same way the CIA Huey enforced policy on Communist AN-2 biplanes. https://www.smartage.pl/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/1-11.jpg |
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Posted: 2/15/2020 10:50:43 PM EDT
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The state of Texas has its own Brown Water Navy. |
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Posted: 2/15/2020 10:56:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Depends on the circumstances. A drug load coming from down south ? Probably just maintain contact and call in other air assets because the 182 has to land eventually. A plane heading into restricted airspace like the security zone around a crowded Super Bowl stadium would justify a more aggressive response. CBP air and marine have SCAR -Hs for taking out engines. Usually for boats though. The Coast guard has shotguns with slugs and Reflex sights and Robar .50 BMG Rifles for the same tasks. In fact the USCG has an outboard engine used to qual with the slug guns. |
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Posted: 2/15/2020 11:12:36 PM EDT
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They’re seriously wearing inflatable pfds? Quote HistoryQuoted:
They’re seriously wearing inflatable pfds? Quoted: The DPS boats that patrol the Rio Grande are pretty cool. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/175250/53FC9E0A-887A-4EF7-A3B5-0318AF80A614-1277280.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/175250/0958E1C4-5D6A-4747-A768-16A3F9882CC4-1277281.jpg Id go with belt mounted ones, but that's just personal preference because they work better with plate carriers and rifles and such |
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Posted: 2/16/2020 12:33:31 AM EDT
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That’s not accurate for the Blackhawk Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Internet search says Cessna 182 top speed 168, Blackhawk top speed 220 
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Posted: 2/16/2020 8:22:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: AIR VEHICLE Typical Empty Weight*: 10,387 - 11,253 lbs 4,711 - 5,104 kg Max. Operating Weight*: 15,976 - 16,803 lbs 7,246 - 7,621 kg Max. Take-Off Weight*: 22,000 lbs 10,000 kg Cruise Speed*: 139 - 145 kts @ 4,000 ft and 95°F 257 - 268 kph VNE Speed*: 193 kts Vertical Rate of Climb*: 390 - 1,000 fpm 119 - 305 mpm Service Ceiling*: 19,000 ft 5,791 m HIGE*: 18,000 ft MSL at 25 C at 18,000 lbs HOGE*: 18,000 ft MSL at 25 C at 16,400 lbs Typical Range*: 300 nautical miles w/ 30 min. reserve 555 km w/ 30 min. reserve Typical Endurance*: >3 Hrs. |
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Posted: 2/16/2020 11:32:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The reverse is even more true. It would be easier to shoot the blackhawk out of the sky at that distance than the Cessna with any given small arm. Once the blackhawk started taking fire it would have to disengage anyway. It can't stay there. And suppose the plane just never answered and ignored them. Would someone in the national guard truly give an order to shoot a civilian plane down over a densely populated urban area with machinegun fire? Would they even be authorized to give that order? I just doubt it. A terrorist using this tactic will most likely succeed because at the end of the day, nobody will make that decision, or it would be made too late to matter anyway. This exercise is a publicly visible deterrence. A show of force for football fans. If it wasn't, would they really reveal their TTP? If hadji was going to do this, he wouldn't come with just one plane either. It would be five or six at the same time. |
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Posted: 2/17/2020 12:27:38 AM EDT
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You'd be wrong. Friend was the JAG officer on call on 9/11, she walked in the door and the first thing the General asked her was what his legal parameters for use of force were. Those are now more clearly delineated so he doesn't have to wait to ask JAG. Especially when you have a designated TFR. Remember, there were F16's prepared to RAM jets on 9/11 because they didn't have ammo for their guns, now they do if they're on air defense alert. And you can bet any TFR has somebody within intercept range on air defense duty. |
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Posted: 2/17/2020 12:33:11 AM EDT
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Could the Hawk fly above the 182 and use it's down draft to "steal" the 182s air? I.e. ruin it's aero lift?
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Posted: 2/17/2020 2:22:37 AM EDT
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How about me flying an Extra 300 with mini gun. Blackhawk would be hosed.
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Posted: 2/17/2020 3:14:48 AM EDT
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How about me flying an Extra 300 with mini gun. Blackhawk would be hosed. Just reactivate the old timer wolf shooters. The stories I heard about super cubs and cessnas kicked sideways with guys blasting their mini 14’s and the like out the door made me wish I was born a few decades earlier. |
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Posted: 2/17/2020 3:48:12 AM EDT
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The reverse is even more true. It would be easier to shoot the blackhawk out of the sky at that distance than the Cessna with any given small arm. Once the blackhawk started taking fire it would have to disengage anyway. It can't stay there. And suppose the plane just never answered and ignored them. Would someone in the national guard truly give an order to shoot a civilian plane down over a densely populated urban area with machinegun fire? Would they even be authorized to give that order? I just doubt it. A terrorist using this tactic will most likely succeed because at the end of the day, nobody will make that decision, or it would be made too late to matter anyway. This exercise is a publicly visible deterrence. A show of force for football fans. If it wasn't, would they really reveal their TTP? If hadji was going to do this, he wouldn't come with just one plane either. It would be five or six at the same time. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Against a Cessna, normal rifle fire from an AR of some sort would probably do the trick just fine. There isn't much material in most of the plane that would stop a bullet from hitting the pilot or important controls/parts. Once the blackhawk started taking fire it would have to disengage anyway. It can't stay there. And suppose the plane just never answered and ignored them. Would someone in the national guard truly give an order to shoot a civilian plane down over a densely populated urban area with machinegun fire? Would they even be authorized to give that order? I just doubt it. A terrorist using this tactic will most likely succeed because at the end of the day, nobody will make that decision, or it would be made too late to matter anyway. This exercise is a publicly visible deterrence. A show of force for football fans. If it wasn't, would they really reveal their TTP? If hadji was going to do this, he wouldn't come with just one plane either. It would be five or six at the same time. A Blackhawk can take quite a bit of damage and keep going. They have armor upgrades. The pilots and crew are armored too. You're also not going to be shooting up a Blackhawk and survive very long. Between their own gunners and the accompanying Helicopter it wouldn't last long. And anyone in command of an aircraft that is tasked with protecting life will absolutely order a shot once a threat becomes clear. Or the gunner will just do it himself. Soldiers aren't cops they worry about the priority of life, not liability. A damaged cesna crashing MIGHT kill 10 people in the middle of an urban area. Crashing into a stadium? Way more. At the point you're shooting down planes you're mitigating casualties, not preventing them. |
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Posted: 2/17/2020 4:04:21 AM EDT
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it would be cool to see what a mini gun does to a cessna |
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Posted: 2/17/2020 9:34:14 AM EDT
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There were multiple blackhawks around Kansas City during the days leading up to the Super Bowl Parade.
Too bad they didnt get the green light to take out the car that ran through the cyclone fencing and all over the parade route. Although he was about to find out some other people were going to. |
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Posted: 2/17/2020 10:05:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Depends on the circumstances. A drug load coming from down south ? Probably just maintain contact and call in other air assets because the 182 has to land eventually. . |
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Posted: 2/17/2020 10:28:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For our invasion of Louisiana. 
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Posted: 2/17/2020 10:47:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
The DPS boats that patrol the Rio Grande are pretty cool. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/175250/53FC9E0A-887A-4EF7-A3B5-0318AF80A614-1277280.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/175250/0958E1C4-5D6A-4747-A768-16A3F9882CC4-1277281.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Without getting into details that could get me in trouble, more than one federal LE unit has armed Blackhawks. I'm not talking about DAPs or anything like that, but window mounts with either 60's or 240's on swing arms. They seem to prefer mounting solutions that allow them to swing the guns in when not in use so as not to alarm the sheeple, but make no mistake if "them soup bois" are bringing a hawk full of dudes wearing Crye stuff, they will probly have belt guns in the crew chief window. And of course they can always rely on NG or DOD assets if it's a significant enough event. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/175250/53FC9E0A-887A-4EF7-A3B5-0318AF80A614-1277280.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/175250/0958E1C4-5D6A-4747-A768-16A3F9882CC4-1277281.jpg And we make fun of Airsofters for LARPing |
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Posted: 2/17/2020 11:04:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nothing a Geologist millionare with a Solothurn couldn't handle. |
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