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Posted: 6/18/2016 8:18:44 AM EST
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You left out the "burn in hell for all eternity if you don't accept Jesus" part. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Christianity: Repent from your sins, accept Jesus and inherit heaven. Pray for your enemies that they accept Jesus too. Jesus died for YOU. Islam : kill the infidel. Jews and Christians must die. Mohammed waged war in order to spread his god's message. The two are fundamentally opposite. Anyone who does not see this is willfully ignorant or has an agenda. You left out the "burn in hell for all eternity if you don't accept Jesus" part. Yes, that's equivalent to, say, creating hell on earth. Watch this and get back to us on equivalency: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_Qpy0mXg8Y |
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Posted: 6/18/2016 8:22:00 AM EST
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That's another thread altogether, but methinks staff trolling is afoot. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We have people on this site that supported the Russian killing of gays a few years back and others that talk of "when the pendulum swings back and we can kill gays in the street". The only difference is the Christians are too much of cowards to behave the way they want to. To paint with such a broad brush is absolutely stupid. It's not a broad brush. GD was ate up with it. Between that, the general misogyny, and copious thinly veiled racist threads, I rarely even check in here anymore. And when I do it's usually more of the same. But it's an election year and I like to keep up with whats going on. My wife and I are firmly on the trump train. It seems that much of GD would rather see Hillary win. That would include the moderators it seems. That's another thread altogether, but methinks staff trolling is afoot. In one of the whinefests about how trump was sure to lose . . .the polls . . . he doesn't want to win . . . blah blah blah, I made a post that merely said "wow. What a bunch of defeatist sad sacks" and the post was deleted as if I called someone a cum dumpster or something. It WAS a thread full of defeatists! But we can't say that now. FBHO Go trump! |
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Posted: 6/18/2016 8:22:47 AM EST
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It's not a broad brush. GD was ate up with it. Between that, the general misogyny, and copious thinly veiled racist threads, I rarely even check in here anymore. And when I do it's usually more of the same. But it's an election year and I like to keep up with whats going on. My wife and I are firmly on the trump train. It seems that much of GD would rather see Hillary win. That would include the moderators it seems. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We have people on this site that supported the Russian killing of gays a few years back and others that talk of "when the pendulum swings back and we can kill gays in the street". The only difference is the Christians are too much of cowards to behave the way they want to. To paint with such a broad brush is absolutely stupid. It's not a broad brush. GD was ate up with it. Between that, the general misogyny, and copious thinly veiled racist threads, I rarely even check in here anymore. And when I do it's usually more of the same. But it's an election year and I like to keep up with whats going on. My wife and I are firmly on the trump train. It seems that much of GD would rather see Hillary win. That would include the moderators it seems. Well I, for one, am happy to see a familiar screen name return. |
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Posted: 6/18/2016 8:24:50 AM EST
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Whereas, I can certainly see the current difference between Christianity and Islam, it wasn't just the Crusades where Christianity was brutal. Look at the Inquisition, not a hell of a lot difference between that and current Islam from the radicals. Sure, a long time ago, but I do believe that if current Christian leaders could take control of the government (as it is under Islam), I doubt there would be a lot of difference. Just a few years ago, the Southern Baptist down here used to go around to every event that happened telling everyone they were going to hell if the they weren't born again. Our country was founded on a principle of religious freedom for a reason. Probably time to do some reading on the Inquisition-- how long was it, how many people were killed, how was it conducted, etc. |
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Posted: 6/18/2016 8:28:24 AM EST
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If this conversation highlights anything, it's that they're not the same but they all suck hard.
"Your religion killed more than my religion!" is an argument that shouldn't exist. While it is certainly debatable that Stalin, Lenin, Hitler, etc. were atheists (mainly because Christians have lied about that to deflect the "Christians have killed millions" accusation), people are obviously shitty and will use whatever justification they can dream up to wholesale slaughter the folks they don't like. Religion provides a perfect excuse for the "we must kill them because they threaten our way of life" crowd. When Christians slaughtered people, owned slaves, mistreated women, and did other generally heinous shit, they were misinterpreting the Bible to justify their actions. When Muslims slaughter people, enslave people, mistreat women, and do other generally heinous shit, they are following the Quran, Hadith, and Sirah to the letter. The fact that the Bible is so "open to interpretation" that such actions could be justified should be the most blatant proof that it isn't the "absolute word of God" that so many portray it to be. Muhammad didn't make that mistake. |
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Posted: 6/18/2016 8:28:47 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well I, for one, am happy to see a familiar screen name return. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: We have people on this site that supported the Russian killing of gays a few years back and others that talk of "when the pendulum swings back and we can kill gays in the street". The only difference is the Christians are too much of cowards to behave the way they want to. To paint with such a broad brush is absolutely stupid. It's not a broad brush. GD was ate up with it. Between that, the general misogyny, and copious thinly veiled racist threads, I rarely even check in here anymore. And when I do it's usually more of the same. But it's an election year and I like to keep up with whats going on. My wife and I are firmly on the trump train. It seems that much of GD would rather see Hillary win. That would include the moderators it seems. Well I, for one, am happy to see a familiar screen name return.  |
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Posted: 6/18/2016 8:30:44 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We have people on this site that supported the Russian killing of gays a few years back and others that talk of "when the pendulum swings back and we can kill gays in the street". The only difference is the Christians are too much of cowards to behave the way they want to. |
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Posted: 6/18/2016 8:31:01 AM EST
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We have people on this site that supported the Russian killing of gays a few years back and others that talk of "when the pendulum swings back and we can kill gays in the street". The only difference is the Christians are too much of cowards to behave the way they want to. To paint with such a broad brush is absolutely stupid. It's not a broad brush. GD was ate up with it. Between that, the general misogyny, and copious thinly veiled racist threads, I rarely even check in here anymore. And when I do it's usually more of the same. But it's an election year and I like to keep up with whats going on. My wife and I are firmly on the trump train. It seems that much of GD would rather see Hillary win. That would include the moderators it seems. Well I, for one, am happy to see a familiar screen name return.
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Posted: 6/18/2016 8:50:41 AM EST
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Christiandom experienced a reformation
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Posted: 6/18/2016 9:02:42 AM EST
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We have people on this site that supported the Russian killing of gays a few years back and others that talk of "when the pendulum swings back and we can kill gays in the street". The only difference is the Christians are too much of cowards to behave the way they want to. Please. Probably the most moronic comment I've read today. Eh, maybe not. Most of my family are hardcore red blooded American Christians. Had the a Muslim killed 49 random people in a club they would have lost their shit as I've seen them do time and time again. Instead, a Muslim shot 49 alleged gay Americans and mums the word, not even a peep. It kind of reminds me of the lack of damning from the so called moderate Muslims in the community. * I know my family is a small sample of Christians but it does make me wonder how the rest really feel. |
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Posted: 6/18/2016 9:06:31 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Eh, maybe not. Most of my family are hardcore red blooded American Christians. Had the a Muslim killed 49 random people in a club they would have lost their shit as I've seen them do time and time again. Instead, a Muslim shot 49 alleged gay Americans and mums the word, not even a peep. It kind of reminds me of the lack of damning from the so called moderate Muslims in the community. * I know my family is a small sample of Christians but it does make me wonder. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: We have people on this site that supported the Russian killing of gays a few years back and others that talk of "when the pendulum swings back and we can kill gays in the street". The only difference is the Christians are too much of cowards to behave the way they want to. Please. Probably the most moronic comment I've read today. Eh, maybe not. Most of my family are hardcore red blooded American Christians. Had the a Muslim killed 49 random people in a club they would have lost their shit as I've seen them do time and time again. Instead, a Muslim shot 49 alleged gay Americans and mums the word, not even a peep. It kind of reminds me of the lack of damning from the so called moderate Muslims in the community. * I know my family is a small sample of Christians but it does make me wonder. I did hear someone say "well they got one right for a change" in response to the terrorist killing gays.  |
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Posted: 6/18/2016 9:12:08 AM EST
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Christiandom Christendom experienced a reformation The problem with the idea that what we need to fix Islam is a good reformation is the founding texts of the religion. You see, all the excesses that the Reformation addressed in Christianity where practices that were by in large not supported by its founding texts. Unfortunately, this is not the case with Islam. Most of the practices what we find so troublesome are supported by Qu'ran and the Hadith. This is going to make a reformation in Islam a very difficult task. In fact, any reformation of Islam will pretty much be by definition a heresy. |
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Posted: 6/18/2016 9:15:07 AM EST
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There have been posts right here in GD about "killing fags" and even stating that's something the Muslims do right and we should too. Quote HistoryQuoted:
There have been posts right here in GD about "killing fags" and even stating that's something the Muslims do right and we should too. Funny, on a site where everything is archived, this is repeatedly claimed, but never cited. If we lived in a theocracy instead of a secular country things would be different.
Christian Europe created modern secular government. This was possible because Christianity is inherently compatible was secularism in its own sacred texts. Interestingly, the only functional theocracies in the world today are Islamic. |
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Posted: 6/18/2016 9:23:27 AM EST
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When Christians slaughtered people, owned slaves, mistreated women, and did other generally heinous shit, they were misinterpreting the Bible to justify their actions. When Muslims slaughter people, enslave people, mistreat women, and do other generally heinous shit, they are following the Quran, Hadith, and Sirah to the letter. Christianity ended slavery and the global slave trade. Islam never ended slavery and still embraces slavery in its dark corners of the world. It's funny how the actual accomplishments of Christendom are always ignored when attempting to equate it with Islam. |
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Posted: 6/18/2016 9:25:11 AM EST
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Christiandom experienced a reformation Christendom experience a period in which local warlords rejected the traditional religious authority, asserted they alone could interpret the faith, and used this to channel a fervor and war with neighbors who dared practice in a way that was different. Ruling secular authorities jumped on the bandwagon and co-opted those arguments to establish their own churches as well and leverage is public zeal to wage war on neighbors and increase worldly power. Yup, nothing like that going on in Islam. |
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Posted: 6/18/2016 9:29:24 AM EST
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Christendom experience a period in which local warlords rejected the traditional religious authority, asserted they alone could interpret the faith, and used this to channel a fervor and war with neighbors who dared practice in a way that was different. Ruling secular authorities jumped on the bandwagon and co-opted those arguments to establish their own churches as well and leverage is public zeal to wage war on neighbors and increase worldly power. Yup, nothing like that going on in Islam. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Christiandom experienced a reformation Christendom experience a period in which local warlords rejected the traditional religious authority, asserted they alone could interpret the faith, and used this to channel a fervor and war with neighbors who dared practice in a way that was different. Ruling secular authorities jumped on the bandwagon and co-opted those arguments to establish their own churches as well and leverage is public zeal to wage war on neighbors and increase worldly power. Yup, nothing like that going on in Islam. Are you seriously arguing that the IRGC or IS are representing a vision of Islam that is innovative? |
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Posted: 6/18/2016 9:30:58 AM EST
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Christendom experience a period in which local warlords rejected the traditional religious authority, asserted they alone could interpret the faith, and used this to channel a fervor and war with neighbors who dared practice in a way that was different. Ruling secular authorities jumped on the bandwagon and co-opted those arguments to establish their own churches as well and leverage is public zeal to wage war on neighbors and increase worldly power. Yup, nothing like that going on in Islam. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Christiandom experienced a reformation Christendom experience a period in which local warlords rejected the traditional religious authority, asserted they alone could interpret the faith, and used this to channel a fervor and war with neighbors who dared practice in a way that was different. Ruling secular authorities jumped on the bandwagon and co-opted those arguments to establish their own churches as well and leverage is public zeal to wage war on neighbors and increase worldly power. Yup, nothing like that going on in Islam. Luther and Calvin were warlords? The things you learn in GD....... 
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Posted: 6/18/2016 9:35:53 AM EST
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Catholic church spent hundreds of years doing practically the same thing to a good portion of the world. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Islam wants to kill, fuck, and/or assimilate anything that isn't Islam. Catholic church spent hundreds of years doing practically the same thing to a good portion of the world. Explain exactly what you mean by this. |
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Posted: 6/18/2016 9:38:09 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Christianity ended slavery and the global slave trade. Islam never ended slavery and still embraces slavery in its dark corners of the world. It's funny how the actual accomplishments of Christendom are always ignored when attempting to equate it with Islam. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: When Christians slaughtered people, owned slaves, mistreated women, and did other generally heinous shit, they were misinterpreting the Bible to justify their actions. When Muslims slaughter people, enslave people, mistreat women, and do other generally heinous shit, they are following the Quran, Hadith, and Sirah to the letter. Christianity ended slavery and the global slave trade. Islam never ended slavery and still embraces slavery in its dark corners of the world. It's funny how the actual accomplishments of Christendom are always ignored when attempting to equate it with Islam. "Christianity" didn't end shit. Religion had nothing to do with the end of slavery in the civilized world. |
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Posted: 6/18/2016 9:39:14 AM EST
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Yes, the Catholics had missions. They attempted to bring Europen education to aboriginals. They probably did kill some, but the cultures they were trying to be missionaries to still had blood sacrifices, and still had frequent tribal wars. Not even worth mentioning the Crusaids-they were defensive. Pretty sure prodastants (being used by ruling class to steel land and wealth) murdered more during the reformation than Catholic missionaries ever did.
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Posted: 6/18/2016 9:42:36 AM EST
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Are you seriously arguing that the IRGC or IS are representing a vision of Islam that is innovative? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Christiandom experienced a reformation Christendom experience a period in which local warlords rejected the traditional religious authority, asserted they alone could interpret the faith, and used this to channel a fervor and war with neighbors who dared practice in a way that was different. Ruling secular authorities jumped on the bandwagon and co-opted those arguments to establish their own churches as well and leverage is public zeal to wage war on neighbors and increase worldly power. Yup, nothing like that going on in Islam. Are you seriously arguing that the IRGC or IS are representing a vision of Islam that is innovative? No more and no less than Calvin or Luthor, let alone Adolphus, or Henry VIII. |
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Posted: 6/18/2016 9:43:01 AM EST
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Yes. Currently. But that's not the way early Chistianity started. Look at Charlemagne for example. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Because currently........ Christianity.....I get to choose to believe in Jesus Christ as my savior. Or not. Islam.....be a Muslim. Convert or die. Aloha, Mark Yes. Currently. But that's not the way early Chistianity started. Look at Charlemagne for example. Tell us about Charlemagne. |
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Posted: 6/18/2016 9:44:56 AM EST
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Stalin was an atheist and starved more people than that for fun. Further, Hitler was a lot of things, including an Atlantean mystic, an occultist and a Germanic pagan. WWII was not a Christian war by any stretch. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Islam wants to kill, fuck, and/or assimilate anything that isn't Islam. Catholic church spent hundreds of years doing practically the same thing to a good portion of the world. I'm not saying it in any way compares to islamic terrorism, but there are definitely points to be made that both religions have more than their fair share of atrocities. And no one killed more people in the 20th century than atheistic communism. Humans are bastards. Hitler was a Christian and started the war that killed 20M+ people. Stalin was an atheist and starved more people than that for fun. Further, Hitler was a lot of things, including an Atlantean mystic, an occultist and a Germanic pagan. WWII was not a Christian war by any stretch. And he picked on Jews for what reason? The evil man was a christian whether you want to acknowledge it or not is up to you. |
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Posted: 6/18/2016 9:45:01 AM EST
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Luther and Calvin were warlords? The things you learn in GD.......
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Christiandom experienced a reformation Christendom experience a period in which local warlords rejected the traditional religious authority, asserted they alone could interpret the faith, and used this to channel a fervor and war with neighbors who dared practice in a way that was different. Ruling secular authorities jumped on the bandwagon and co-opted those arguments to establish their own churches as well and leverage is public zeal to wage war on neighbors and increase worldly power. Yup, nothing like that going on in Islam. Luther and Calvin were warlords? The things you learn in GD.......
I'm suggesting they were not in any way Enlightenment figures. Was Adolphus a theologian? Was Descartes Protestant? |
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Posted: 6/18/2016 9:46:08 AM EST
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agreed Culturally, most Christians today would be viewed as heretics by our Christian ancestors only a few hundred years ago. The ideals of the Enlightenment have been so fully absorbed that they are now considered Christian values, despite the fact that the Christian authorities at the time viewed them as a danger to the Church. The problem with Islam is the cultures that fall under its sway don't have the kind of philosophical or intellectual underpinnings to support any sort of reformation. I think Turkey is the most likely, but they are heading the opposite direction currently. Barring a forced reformation (ala the Japanese after WWII), I think the Muslim world is going to be a sore spot until the world finds a replacement for oil. What enlightenment ideas are now regarded as Xtian? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Islam wants to kill, fuck, and/or assimilate anything that isn't Islam. Catholic church spent hundreds of years doing practically the same thing to a good portion of the world. I'm not saying it in any way compares to islamic terrorism, but there are definitely points to be made that both religions have more than their fair share of atrocities. And then the reformation happened. The problem is radical jihad is quite possibly the reformation for Islam. agreed Culturally, most Christians today would be viewed as heretics by our Christian ancestors only a few hundred years ago. The ideals of the Enlightenment have been so fully absorbed that they are now considered Christian values, despite the fact that the Christian authorities at the time viewed them as a danger to the Church. The problem with Islam is the cultures that fall under its sway don't have the kind of philosophical or intellectual underpinnings to support any sort of reformation. I think Turkey is the most likely, but they are heading the opposite direction currently. Barring a forced reformation (ala the Japanese after WWII), I think the Muslim world is going to be a sore spot until the world finds a replacement for oil. What enlightenment ideas are now regarded as Xtian? |
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Posted: 6/18/2016 9:46:38 AM EST
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"Christianity" didn't end shit. Religion had nothing to do with the end of slavery in the civilized world. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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When Christians slaughtered people, owned slaves, mistreated women, and did other generally heinous shit, they were misinterpreting the Bible to justify their actions. When Muslims slaughter people, enslave people, mistreat women, and do other generally heinous shit, they are following the Quran, Hadith, and Sirah to the letter. Christianity ended slavery and the global slave trade. Islam never ended slavery and still embraces slavery in its dark corners of the world. It's funny how the actual accomplishments of Christendom are always ignored when attempting to equate it with Islam. "Christianity" didn't end shit. Religion had nothing to do with the end of slavery in the civilized world. 
You've never once cracked a book on the Abolition movement, have you? You are hopelessly ignorant on the subject of Abolition if you think Christianity and churches had "nothing to do with it". |
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Posted: 6/18/2016 9:51:12 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And he picked on Jews for what reason? The evil man was a christian whether you want to acknowledge it or not is up to you. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Catholic church spent hundreds of years doing practically the same thing to a good portion of the world. I'm not saying it in any way compares to islamic terrorism, but there are definitely points to be made that both religions have more than their fair share of atrocities. And no one killed more people in the 20th century than atheistic communism. Humans are bastards. Hitler was a Christian and started the war that killed 20M+ people. Stalin was an atheist and starved more people than that for fun. Further, Hitler was a lot of things, including an Atlantean mystic, an occultist and a Germanic pagan. WWII was not a Christian war by any stretch. And he picked on Jews for what reason? The evil man was a christian whether you want to acknowledge it or not is up to you. Congrats on the dumbest fucking post of the day. |
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Posted: 6/18/2016 9:51:21 AM EST
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And no one killed more people in the 20th century than atheistic communism. Humans are bastards. Hitler was a Christian and started the war that killed 20M+ people. Stalin was an atheist and starved more people than that for fun. Further, Hitler was a lot of things, including an Atlantean mystic, an occultist and a Germanic pagan. WWII was not a Christian war by any stretch. And he picked on Jews for what reason? The evil man was a christian whether you want to acknowledge it or not is up to you. He picked on Jews specifically because he believed and argued they were a comprehensive alien political entity incompatible with traditional German folk living, were culturally inferior, having only the ability to mimic or copy from superior civilizations, that even those Jews who had adopted mainstream German ways would naturally align with the more extreme political Jews if the chips were down, and that tolerating them in the name of freedom of "religion" was misguided. All sounds pretty familiar, now that I type it... |
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Posted: 6/18/2016 9:52:45 AM EST
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And no one killed more people in the 20th century than atheistic communism. Humans are bastards. Hitler was a Christian and started the war that killed 20M+ people. Stalin was an atheist and starved more people than that for fun. Further, Hitler was a lot of things, including an Atlantean mystic, an occultist and a Germanic pagan. WWII was not a Christian war by any stretch. And he picked on Jews for what reason? The evil man was a christian whether you want to acknowledge it or not is up to you. He picked on the Jews because they didn't let him into art school, and because of his experiences related to WWI. If you're going to assign Hitler to Christianity, then you must likewise assign Churchill and Roosevelt to Christianity. |
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Posted: 6/18/2016 9:54:59 AM EST
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He picked on Jews specifically because he believed and argued they were a comprehensive alien political entity incompatible with traditional German folk living, were culturally inferior, having only the ability to mimic or copy from superior civilizations, that even those Jews who had adopted mainstream German ways would naturally align with the more extreme political Jews if the chips were down, and that tolerating them in the name of freedom of "religion" was misguided. All sounds pretty familiar, now that I type it... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And no one killed more people in the 20th century than atheistic communism. Humans are bastards. Hitler was a Christian and started the war that killed 20M+ people. Stalin was an atheist and starved more people than that for fun. Further, Hitler was a lot of things, including an Atlantean mystic, an occultist and a Germanic pagan. WWII was not a Christian war by any stretch. And he picked on Jews for what reason? The evil man was a christian whether you want to acknowledge it or not is up to you. He picked on Jews specifically because he believed and argued they were a comprehensive alien political entity incompatible with traditional German folk living, were culturally inferior, having only the ability to mimic or copy from superior civilizations, that even those Jews who had adopted mainstream German ways would naturally align with the more extreme political Jews if the chips were down, and that tolerating them in the name of freedom of "religion" was misguided. All sounds pretty familiar, now that I type it... Awww, the familiar pitter-patter of B_A accusing everyone he disagrees with of being a Nazi. The sight of his feeble intellectual crutch warms the heart. The most disgusting thing about that tactic isn't that you are calling people Nazis, but rather that you are equating the Jews of the 1930s with Islam. How many Jewish terrorist attacks occured in Europe in the 100 years prior to Hitler? How many genocides were committed in the name of Judaism in the 100 years prior to Hitler? How many people did Jews behead? How many brutal Jewish theocracies were there? The fact you would equate the peaceful innocence of the Jews of the 1930s with the observable violence found among modern Islam is one of the most heinous things I have seen seriously posted on ARFCom in months, and that includes the granny porn. |
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Posted: 6/18/2016 10:03:30 AM EST
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We have people on this site that supported the Russian killing of gays a few years back and others that talk of "when the pendulum swings back and we can kill gays in the street". The only difference is the Christians are too much of cowards to behave the way they want to. To paint with such a broad brush is absolutely stupid. He's the guy who would put people in camps to keep his comfortable life. |
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Posted: 6/18/2016 10:06:50 AM EST
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And he picked on Jews for what reason? The evil man was a christian whether you want to acknowledge it or not is up to you. So only Christians are able to hate Jews in the unhinged world of ErikS. Pathe News Films Bulletin, Israel Declares Independence! |
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Posted: 6/18/2016 10:21:27 AM EST
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It's pretty easy to tell the difference if you're a Christian. If you're a godless heathen, you can't see the difference.
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Posted: 6/18/2016 10:28:34 AM EST
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And he picked on Jews for what reason? The evil man was a christian whether you want to acknowledge it or not is up to you.
Ogive Writes: Just because you "claim" to be a Christian, doesn't make you one. Christ said that his true followers would be recognizable by their works. I doubt Hitler qualified. |
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Posted: 6/18/2016 10:37:35 AM EST
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I'm suggesting they were not in any way Enlightenment figures. Was Adolphus a theologian? Was Descartes Protestant? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Christiandom experienced a reformation Christendom experience a period in which local warlords rejected the traditional religious authority, asserted they alone could interpret the faith, and used this to channel a fervor and war with neighbors who dared practice in a way that was different. Ruling secular authorities jumped on the bandwagon and co-opted those arguments to establish their own churches as well and leverage is public zeal to wage war on neighbors and increase worldly power. Yup, nothing like that going on in Islam. Luther and Calvin were warlords? The things you learn in GD.......
I'm suggesting they were not in any way Enlightenment figures. Was Adolphus a theologian? Was Descartes Protestant? No, certainly not. The Reformation and the Enlightenment were two separate movements separated by more than one hundred years. You can make an argument that the former fed the latter. |
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Posted: 6/18/2016 10:42:40 AM EST
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Awww, the familiar pitter-patter of B_A accusing everyone he disagrees with of being a Nazi. The sight of his feeble intellectual crutch warms the heart. The most disgusting thing about that tactic isn't that you are calling people Nazis, but rather that you are equating the Jews of the 1930s with Islam. How many Jewish terrorist attacks occured in Europe in the 100 years prior to Hitler? How many genocides were committed in the name of Judaism in the 100 years prior to Hitler? How many people did Jews behead? How many brutal Jewish theocracies were there? The fact you would equate the peaceful innocence of the Jews of the 1930s with the observable violence found among modern Islam is one of the most heinous things I have seen seriously posted on ARFCom in months, and that includes the granny porn. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Hitler was a Christian and started the war that killed 20M+ people. Stalin was an atheist and starved more people than that for fun. He picked on Jews specifically because he believed and argued they were a comprehensive alien political entity incompatible with traditional German folk living, were culturally inferior, having only the ability to mimic or copy from superior civilizations, that even those Jews who had adopted mainstream German ways would naturally align with the more extreme political Jews if the chips were down, and that tolerating them in the name of freedom of "religion" was misguided. All sounds pretty familiar, now that I type it... Awww, the familiar pitter-patter of B_A accusing everyone he disagrees with of being a Nazi. The sight of his feeble intellectual crutch warms the heart. The most disgusting thing about that tactic isn't that you are calling people Nazis, but rather that you are equating the Jews of the 1930s with Islam. How many Jewish terrorist attacks occured in Europe in the 100 years prior to Hitler? How many genocides were committed in the name of Judaism in the 100 years prior to Hitler? How many people did Jews behead? How many brutal Jewish theocracies were there? The fact you would equate the peaceful innocence of the Jews of the 1930s with the observable violence found among modern Islam is one of the most heinous things I have seen seriously posted on ARFCom in months, and that includes the granny porn. Did you even read the post? BA wasn't saying he agreed with the practice, he was giving the explanation for it. Politicians frequently label a group as "the enemy" in order to gain power to save the people. Jews have been persecuted by many groups throughout their history. When there is friction in a country it frequently leads to internal fighting and conflict. That's why the Obama administration is so dangerous. If you've been paying attention you have seen how he vilifies some groups while turning a blind eye to the works of other groups. As far as teaching back to ancient past to point out the evils of christianity, that's a mistake. People are a product of their time, regardless of their religion. Plus it overlooks good things also done at the time. There are plenty of modern day examples of whatever issue one wants to discuss. |
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Posted: 6/18/2016 10:51:20 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Funny, on a site where everything is archived, this is repeatedly claimed, but never cited. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: There have been posts right here in GD about "killing fags" and even stating that's something the Muslims do right and we should too. Funny, on a site where everything is archived, this is repeatedly claimed, but never cited. If we lived in a theocracy instead of a secular country things would be different. |
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Posted: 6/18/2016 11:06:46 AM EST
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No, certainly not. The Reformation and the Enlightenment were two separate movements separated by more than one hundred years. You can make an argument that the former fed the latter. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Christiandom experienced a reformation Christendom experience a period in which local warlords rejected the traditional religious authority, asserted they alone could interpret the faith, and used this to channel a fervor and war with neighbors who dared practice in a way that was different. Ruling secular authorities jumped on the bandwagon and co-opted those arguments to establish their own churches as well and leverage is public zeal to wage war on neighbors and increase worldly power. Yup, nothing like that going on in Islam. Luther and Calvin were warlords? The things you learn in GD.......
I'm suggesting they were not in any way Enlightenment figures. Was Adolphus a theologian? Was Descartes Protestant? No, certainly not. The Reformation and the Enlightenment were two separate movements separated by more than one hundred years. You can make an argument that the former fed the latter. Fed perhaps, if only because the latter was a reaction against the zealotry and passionate, often violent, religious certainty of the proponents of the former. To believe the common GD / American protestant narrative, European history looks like this: 1) Evil papists take over western Christianity, keeping Europe in the Dark Ages. 2) About the only thing those guys ever got right was the Crusades and the Reconquista. Those were most righteous, but more or less by accident. 3) Martin Luther shines the light of truth, justice, and the American way on the whole enterprise, ushering in a new era of enlightened politics and sending Papists scurrying to fortified positions where they continue to govern less advanced civilizations. 4) This new era inspires America Founding Fathers, who were all unified in their vision to bring a perfect Christian civilization to the New World. It's hilarious, but entrenched, and echoes in many a thread. |
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Posted: 6/18/2016 11:17:39 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You've never once cracked a book on the Abolition movement, have you? You are hopelessly ignorant on the subject of Abolition if you think Christianity and churches had "nothing to do with it". Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: When Christians slaughtered people, owned slaves, mistreated women, and did other generally heinous shit, they were misinterpreting the Bible to justify their actions. When Muslims slaughter people, enslave people, mistreat women, and do other generally heinous shit, they are following the Quran, Hadith, and Sirah to the letter. Christianity ended slavery and the global slave trade. Islam never ended slavery and still embraces slavery in its dark corners of the world. It's funny how the actual accomplishments of Christendom are always ignored when attempting to equate it with Islam. "Christianity" didn't end shit. Religion had nothing to do with the end of slavery in the civilized world. You've never once cracked a book on the Abolition movement, have you? You are hopelessly ignorant on the subject of Abolition if you think Christianity and churches had "nothing to do with it". Please explain why slavery came to an end in countries that don't call themselves "Christian nations" then. Just because the Christians took credit for it, doesn't make it true. Anyone with a basic understanding of history knows that much... |
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Posted: 6/18/2016 11:19:31 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's pretty easy to tell the difference if you're a Christian. If you're a godless heathen, you can't see the difference. I'm a godless heathen and I can plainly see the difference. I do it without an air of condescending superiority though. |
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Posted: 6/18/2016 11:25:29 AM EST
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Quoted: In every thread about Islamic terrorism and "moderate" Muslims supporting terrorists, some bumbling retard will come along and say "but but Christians killed people in the Crusades and we have abortion clinic bombers and Westboro Baptist church" or "the Old testament has stuff in it just as bad as the Koran" Do these people not realize that Muslims kill people everyday and the so called "moderates" don't care or support it? Terrorist attacks by "extremist Christians" that some act like are so common hardly ever happen and would be denounced by almost all Christians if they did. Why do some here try to lump all religions in together and not acknowledge that there are differences between them? |
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Posted: 6/18/2016 11:43:21 AM EST
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Christians in African nations do the same thing right now, some of it anyway. There have been posts right here in GD about "killing fags" and even stating that's something the Muslims do right and we should too. If we lived in a theocracy instead of a secular country things would be different. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Islam wants to kill, fuck, and/or assimilate anything that isn't Islam. Catholic church spent hundreds of years doing practically the same thing to a good portion of the world. I'm not saying it in any way compares to islamic terrorism, but there are definitely points to be made that both religions have more than their fair share of atrocities. Christians in African nations do the same thing right now, some of it anyway. There have been posts right here in GD about "killing fags" and even stating that's something the Muslims do right and we should too. If we lived in a theocracy instead of a secular country things would be different. There it is again...you gonna "cite" it or just throw bombs like the other guy? |
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Posted: 6/18/2016 11:49:12 AM EST
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It's not a broad brush. GD was ate up with it. Between that, the general misogyny, and copious thinly veiled racist threads, I rarely even check in here anymore. And when I do it's usually more of the same. But it's an election year and I like to keep up with whats going on. My wife and I are firmly on the trump train. It seems that much of GD would rather see Hillary win. That would include the moderators it seems. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We have people on this site that supported the Russian killing of gays a few years back and others that talk of "when the pendulum swings back and we can kill gays in the street". The only difference is the Christians are too much of cowards to behave the way they want to. To paint with such a broad brush is absolutely stupid. It's not a broad brush. GD was ate up with it. Between that, the general misogyny, and copious thinly veiled racist threads, I rarely even check in here anymore. And when I do it's usually more of the same. But it's an election year and I like to keep up with whats going on. My wife and I are firmly on the trump train. It seems that much of GD would rather see Hillary win. That would include the moderators it seems. Good to see you posting......that said...it is a broad brush, are there folks that love to show the world their anus here?.....yep...and their on both side of the aisle.
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Posted: 6/18/2016 11:52:17 AM EST
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Christendom experience a period in which local warlords rejected the traditional religious authority, asserted they alone could interpret the faith, and used this to channel a fervor and war with neighbors who dared practice in a way that was different. Ruling secular authorities jumped on the bandwagon and co-opted those arguments to establish their own churches as well and leverage is public zeal to wage war on neighbors and increase worldly power. Yup, nothing like that going on in Islam. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Christiandom experienced a reformation Christendom experience a period in which local warlords rejected the traditional religious authority, asserted they alone could interpret the faith, and used this to channel a fervor and war with neighbors who dared practice in a way that was different. Ruling secular authorities jumped on the bandwagon and co-opted those arguments to establish their own churches as well and leverage is public zeal to wage war on neighbors and increase worldly power. Yup, nothing like that going on in Islam. 
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Posted: 6/18/2016 11:54:27 AM EST
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And he picked on Jews for what reason? The evil man was a christian whether you want to acknowledge it or not is up to you. Prove it. that fact that you even posted this shows exactly how shallow your thinking and understanding of history actually is. |
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Posted: 6/18/2016 11:58:14 AM EST
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You left out the "burn in hell for all eternity if you don't accept Jesus" part. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Christianity: Repent from your sins, accept Jesus and inherit heaven. Pray for your enemies that they accept Jesus too. Jesus died for YOU. Islam : kill the infidel. Jews and Christians must die. Mohammed waged war in order to spread his god's message. The two are fundamentally opposite. Anyone who does not see this is willfully ignorant or has an agenda. You left out the "burn in hell for all eternity if you don't accept Jesus" part. But that is your choice not theirs. |
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Posted: 6/18/2016 11:59:54 AM EST
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And he picked on Jews for what reason? The evil man was a christian whether you want to acknowledge it or not is up to you. I'm actually ambivalent towards what Hitler's religion was. The ~1940 years of religious-based anti-Semitism ('they killed Jesus', blood libels, etc.) and violence (pogroms) is the backdrop to what allowed the Holocaust to occur and people across Europe to not care. |
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Posted: 6/18/2016 12:00:55 PM EST
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Quoted: In every thread about Islamic terrorism and "moderate" Muslims supporting terrorists, some bumbling retard will come along and say "but but Christians killed people in the Crusades and we have abortion clinic bombers and Westboro Baptist church" or "the Old testament has stuff in it just as bad as the Koran" Do these people not realize that Muslims kill people everyday and the so called "moderates" don't care or support it? Terrorist attacks by "extremist Christians" that some act like are so common hardly ever happen and would be denounced by almost all Christians if they did. Why do some here try to lump all religions in together and not acknowledge that there are differences between them? For instance.."smite the Gooberites that are on in the valley of Brady bunch at dawn." In Islam that command is "smite the Gooberites from this day forward". Big difference. |
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Posted: 6/18/2016 12:06:26 PM EST
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Modern-day Christians are certainly better than Muslims. Though, fundamentalists of all stripes are not without blood on them historically. One doesn't even need to look all the way back to the Dark Ages. One can just look at Uganda, Russia, Eastern-Europe.
I can appreciate that people in Western Civilization are moving past it, but let's not put blinders on. People here cheered Uganda, Russia, etc. Posters have openly stated they wouldn't lose a wink of sleep if all LGBT people were killed (orpheus) to the sound of crickets from the Fundamentalists. Religious-based homophobia is a thing. I'm appreciative that in the other Orlando thread, when jaholder said the pastor is right (that people shouldn't pray for the "sodomites" killed), people called him out on it. I openly state that modern-day Christians are better than Muslims, but let's not put blinders on. Fundamentalism and homophobia is the issue. You can still be a Christian if you want and not be a homophobic jerk. Thankfully, people in the modern day can see that better now. Islam hasn't. Fundamentalism struggles against/fights the future. |
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Posted: 6/18/2016 12:09:33 PM EST
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And he picked on Jews for what reason? The evil man was a christian whether you want to acknowledge it or not is up to you. Christ never said to annihilate Jews...... |
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