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Posted: 10/2/2020 9:18:43 PM EDT
[#1]
E6B/Looking Glass
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Posted: 10/2/2020 9:19:04 PM EDT
[#2]
elf and magnets
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Posted: 10/2/2020 9:19:31 PM EDT
[#3]
Quantum Entanglement.
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Posted: 10/2/2020 9:19:45 PM EDT
[#4]
You don't have a need to know.
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Posted: 10/2/2020 9:19:55 PM EDT
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Quoted: Ok, sub guys, we used to have two ELF stations, to broadcast a code group a submerged sub could receive, that meant, "Come to antennae depth for updated instructions right away!" or words to that effect. We don't have an ELF station anymore. So how would we get the subs in if stuff goes down? SME comments welcome. I don't think you will get current information on this subject even from SMEs 
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Posted: 10/2/2020 9:22:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: E6B/Looking Glass You can't transmit a signal at a low enough frequency to reach a submerged sub. You need miles of dipole antennae. 4 Hz. Four. |
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Posted: 10/2/2020 9:24:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't think you will get current information on this subject even from SMEs Probably not, I don't need to know any classified shit specifically. Do we have one, though, of some sort? |
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Posted: 10/2/2020 9:24:45 PM EDT
[#8]
You know why you don't hear anything about telepathy anymore? Because it's reached the stage of being deployable for mission-critical applications. Shhhhh. I washed out of the program, but you're not supposed to know. You're welcome.
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Posted: 10/2/2020 9:25:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You can't transmit a signal at a low enough frequency to reach a submerged sub. You need miles on dipole antennae. 4 Hz. Four. It just so happens that they have these things called spools. |
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Posted: 10/2/2020 9:25:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You know why you don't hear anything about telepathy anymore? Because it's reached the stage of being deployable for mission-critical applications. Shhhhh. I washed out of the program, but you're not supposed to know. You're welcome.  The Shop!
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Posted: 10/2/2020 9:26:04 PM EDT
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Submarines were definitely not what I thought the thread was about. But I'm a pervert.
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Posted: 10/2/2020 9:28:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It just so happens that they have these things called spools. I'm a Hamateur. You're not broadcasting a signal from an aircraft that's reaching a sub 200' feet down. It's a totally tubular not-happener. |
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Posted: 10/2/2020 9:29:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Submarines were definitely not what I thought the thread was about. But I'm a pervert. I thought I told you not to speak, slave, or you will have to clean the tub with your tongue. 
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Posted: 10/2/2020 9:31:02 PM EDT
[#14]
None of your fucking business.
PFM. |
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Posted: 10/2/2020 9:32:02 PM EDT
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Used to be a certain split of ELF and VLF coverage was required when covering an alert target package (the requirement existed because everyone hated ELF). Now ELF is gone. Couple different useful antennas for VLF which work well at alert coverage speed/depths and offer a lot of flexibility. Spend a lot of time also covering HF voice (TACAMO) which sucked, mostly because it took extra manpower and was spotty depending on where you were and the typical HF reasons.
ELF was a pain since it was fairly directional on the floating wire with only the one station. Doing a turn required coordinating speed and the time within a tight window when you'd throw the rudder over to be able to stay within the coverage requirements. Boomer turns are slow. ELF had a ridiculously slow baud rate. You'd spend a long time getting a code that said either "A-Ok" or "Come shallow NOW!" Not sure why exactly ELF was canned, but I'd take VLF all day every day for a laundry list of reasons. |
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Posted: 10/2/2020 9:32:29 PM EDT
[#16]
A long dangling wire out of a 747.
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Posted: 10/2/2020 9:32:54 PM EDT
[#17]
Google is a motherfuqqer
Open source, found in seconds. You’re right though, only 60 ft down. If you believe the open source article. |
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Posted: 10/2/2020 9:32:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm a Hamateur. You're not broadcasting a signal from an aircraft that's reaching a sub 200' feet down. It's a totally tubular not-happener. That is exactly the job of the E-6. Pay out the antenna wire from a spool while circling the ocean and transmit away. |
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Posted: 10/2/2020 9:33:02 PM EDT
[#19]
Magic and shit.
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Posted: 10/2/2020 9:33:35 PM EDT
[#20]
That is classified son.
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Posted: 10/2/2020 9:33:38 PM EDT
[#21]
Stand on the shore and through a can and string in the ocean.
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Posted: 10/2/2020 9:34:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A long dangling wire out of a 747. 707 |
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Posted: 10/2/2020 9:34:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Probably not, I don't need to know any classified shit specifically. Do we have one, though, of some sort? I bet this thread has many eyes on it from many places just hoping for a slip, personally I think we have awesome tech that our enemy's should fear ever being used |
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Posted: 10/2/2020 9:34:33 PM EDT
[#24]
I think our VLF sites are effective enough to eliminate the ELF ones.
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Posted: 10/2/2020 9:36:22 PM EDT
[#25]
I probably shouldn't tell you this but every sub now sails with a paper cup on board with an attached string that stretchs all the back to another paper cup at the HQ. Keep it quiet, mums the word
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Posted: 10/2/2020 9:36:24 PM EDT
[#26]
They just have a phone line that trails behind them that is attached to a big spool.
But it's a party line, so if you get to talk to your girl, know that the guys in the torpedo room are listening in and trying not to laugh. |
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Posted: 10/2/2020 9:38:48 PM EDT
[#27]
Everybody has wifi
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Posted: 10/2/2020 9:38:49 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I bet this thread has many eyes on it from many places just hoping for a slip, personally I think we have awesome tech that our enemy's should fear ever being used Yeah man the Russians get a lot of naval intelligence via Arfcom. It’s a big deal in the cybersecurity world: arfshing. |
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Posted: 10/2/2020 9:38:51 PM EDT
[#29]
You throw a couple loaves of sliced bread on the water and when they get hungry enough they’ll come up and eat.
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Posted: 10/2/2020 9:39:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It just so happens that they have these things called spools. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You can't transmit a signal at a low enough frequency to reach a submerged sub. You need miles on dipole antennae. 4 Hz. Four. It just so happens that they have these things called spools. Link |
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Posted: 10/2/2020 9:41:31 PM EDT
[#31]
Check with NY Times for the most current classified information.
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Posted: 10/2/2020 9:43:10 PM EDT
[#32]
One ping, one ping only.
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Posted: 10/2/2020 9:44:11 PM EDT
[#33]
Don't need ELF with today's super sensitive passive sonar. Now we use these gals
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Posted: 10/2/2020 9:44:36 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 707 No 747. I deal with it as part of my job. E4B the one that passes the words to the E6 and our nuclear forces. |
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Posted: 10/2/2020 9:44:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: One ping, one ping only. Damnit, I came to post this. |
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Posted: 10/2/2020 9:45:30 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Used to be a split of ELF or VLF coverage when covering an alert target package. Now ELF is gone. Couple different useful antennas for VLF which work well at alert coverage speed/depths and offer a lot of flexibility. ELF was a pain since it was fairly directional on the floating wire with only the one station. Doing a turn required coordinating speed and the time within a tight window when you'd throw the rudder over to be able to stay within the coverage requirements. Boomer turns are slow. ELF had a ridiculously slow baud rate. You'd spend a long time getting a code that said either "A-Ok" or "Come shallow NOW!" You were supposed to keep fucking with me mercilessly until pg 2 but thank you. This is what I'm after. So, it's sort of assumed that any event will be proceeded by a gradual escalation and the subs will be ordered to patrol at a depth where they can receive real time updates? What happens in the event the shit is an afternoon delight? They find out at the next scheduled surfacing and everyone's either excited or silent on the radio? |
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Posted: 10/2/2020 9:46:08 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: One ping, one ping only. Damn. Beat me to it. |
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Posted: 10/2/2020 9:46:49 PM EDT
[#38]
Yahoo Mail
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Posted: 10/2/2020 9:48:43 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You can't transmit a signal at a low enough frequency to reach a submerged sub. You need miles of dipole antennae. 4 Hz. Four. ELF and VLF propagate clean through. This ain't Baofeng stuff. |
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Posted: 10/2/2020 9:51:24 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Google is a motherfuqqer Open source, found in seconds. You’re right though, only 60 ft down. If you believe the open source article. I was there. Maybe they obfuscated in my radio prop courses for National Security reasons, but that seems like it would have some cascade effect on math for other shit. 60' is about right. I saw that, hence the Q. You can SEE a sub on the ol' Mk1 EB, if it's only sixty feet down, from the air in like 2/3 of the ocean if the waves are reasonable, and nearly everywhere at 30'. You can see WHALES at that depth, ffs. |
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Posted: 10/2/2020 9:53:11 PM EDT
[#41]
Thought this was going to be a gay BDSM thread. Clicked anyways.
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Posted: 10/2/2020 9:54:10 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That is exactly the job of the E-6. Pay out the antenna wire from a spool while circling the ocean and transmit away. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm a Hamateur. You're not broadcasting a signal from an aircraft that's reaching a sub 200' feet down. It's a totally tubular not-happener. That is exactly the job of the E-6. Pay out the antenna wire from a spool while circling the ocean and transmit away. I'd like to see the white paper on this spooled aerial radio broadcasting without an earth at sufficient power to reach more than 50-75 below the ocean surface. |
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Posted: 10/2/2020 9:55:38 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You were supposed to keep fucking with me mercilessly until pg 2 but thank you. This is what I'm after. So, it's sort of assumed that any event will be proceeded by a gradual escalation and the subs will be ordered to patrol at a depth where they can receive real time updates? What happens in the event the shit is an afternoon delight? They find out at the next scheduled surfacing and everyone's either excited or silent on the radio? Different coverage requirements depending on whether you were alert, mod-alert, or non-alert. An alert boat is monitoring 24/7. Any sub in general has to copy the broadcast couple times a day. At a certain def-con, boats may automatically assume a different alert posture and sortie. Operating procedures said a launch order without escalating def-cons is dubious. There's a lot of traffic that needs to go over the wire so it's prioritized and sent over a clock schedule. Op orders, intel, weather, admin, news/sports, family stuff. Was typical that the window closed before family stuff got uploaded. |
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Posted: 10/2/2020 9:56:20 PM EDT
[#44]
WiFi Mesh Network.
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Posted: 10/2/2020 9:56:24 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I probably shouldn't tell you this but every sub now sails with a paper cup on board with an attached string that stretchs all the back to another paper cup at the HQ. Keep it quiet, mums the word Back in my day, we only had soup cans. They didn't develop the acoustically superior styrene Solo cups until later. |
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Posted: 10/2/2020 9:58:27 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/2/2020 9:59:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Different coverage requirements depending on whether you were alert, mod-alert, or non-alert. An alert boat is monitoring 24/7. Any sub in general has to copy the broadcast couple times a day. At a certain def-con, boats may automatically assume a different alert posture and sortie. Operating procedures said a launch order without escalating def-cons is dubious. There's a lot of traffic that needs to go over the wire so it's prioritized and sent over a clock schedule. Op orders, intel, weather, admin, news/sports, family stuff. Was typical that the window closed before family stuff got uploaded. That seems rational. Thank you. |
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Posted: 10/2/2020 10:00:37 PM EDT
[#48]
Twitter.....if they're not in Twitter jail.
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Posted: 10/2/2020 10:01:44 PM EDT
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We used to get 10 forms to give to family with 50 blank spaces on them for family grams (name and rank got subtracted out of the 50). The opposite crew screened and uploaded them, and the XO (and/or COB) on the ship screened them before you got it in hand. You were doing well to get 6 or 7 in a 10 week patrol.
I got pulled aside one day and asked "who is Missy?" by the XO. Missy was my parent's lab. The message in question included "Missy disappeared 5 days. Came home stinking of diesel and whiskey." She'd fallen into an oil drain pit in someone's barn. Anything sexy would get the name redacted and posted outside crews mess. I remember someone's wife sent something about missing Monday Night Football that was amazingly phrased and got the whole crew worked up. She was a gifted poet. And like I said, we had orders to cover scheduled HF voice transmissions from time to time as part of routine business. When the def-con ratcheted up, those bands would go in availability. "alfa velvita knuckle underwear sphincter spider mucous ringworm. I repeat alfa velvita...." with a paper shredder running in the background, and the signal fading in and out. Picture DX from turbo prop. |
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Posted: 10/2/2020 10:02:10 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No 747. I deal with it as part of my job. E4B the one that passes the words to the E6 and our nuclear forces. Oh, I thought it was those Navy 707's painted white that fly over my house all the time. I work with a guy who used to be aircrew for those things, back when (he says) they used C-130's. |
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