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Posted: 12/16/2023 9:55:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: People fear snakes because they don't want to get bit. Evolutionary fear of birds? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: My bosses husband was a mythology professor researching this. He died. There is a lot of evolutionary drive behind the fear of snakes/reptiles and birds. This ingrained fear also makes for compelling storytelling. People fear snakes because they don't want to get bit. Evolutionary fear of birds? Envy because flight is obviously way cool? Plus they can shit on you without reprisal(pre shotguns). |
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Posted: 12/16/2023 9:55:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: People fear snakes because they don't want to get bit. Evolutionary fear of birds? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: My bosses husband was a mythology professor researching this. He died. There is a lot of evolutionary drive behind the fear of snakes/reptiles and birds. This ingrained fear also makes for compelling storytelling. People fear snakes because they don't want to get bit. Evolutionary fear of birds? Terror Birds? |
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Posted: 12/16/2023 9:57:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: People fear snakes because they don't want to get bit. Evolutionary fear of birds? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: My bosses husband was a mythology professor researching this. He died. There is a lot of evolutionary drive behind the fear of snakes/reptiles and birds. This ingrained fear also makes for compelling storytelling. People fear snakes because they don't want to get bit. Evolutionary fear of birds? Have you ever seen the videos where a large bird of prey drops an animal off a cliff?  Eagle throws goat off cliff to its death  Eagles hunting Mountain goat !!! Let's watch the Eagles use their skills to catch the Mountain goat  Giant Eagle throws a Goat alive from the sky - Eagle vs Goat Now imagine the prey being toddlers instead of goats... 
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Posted: 12/16/2023 9:59:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: People fear snakes because they don't want to get bit. Evolutionary fear of birds? We evolved from small mammals and birds used to be bigger. We still have parts of our brains that function about the same as a lobsters. Jordan peterson does a whole talk on that shit. |
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Posted: 12/16/2023 10:01:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Have you ever seen the videos where a large bird of prey drops an animal off a cliff?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iFOVi0vJGU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLFgFCmCg6Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8vXrUEs8wkNow imagine the prey being toddlers instead of goats... They would never. Birds are our friends. 
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Posted: 12/16/2023 10:03:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We evolved from small mammals and birds used to be bigger. We still have parts of our brains that function about the same as a lobsters. Jordan peterson does a whole talk on that shit. Humans have been training and using birds for various things for a long long time. Not the same as snakes and spiders. |
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Posted: 12/16/2023 10:03:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They would never. Birds are our friends. https://static1.bigstockphoto.com/1/1/2/large1500/211342123.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Have you ever seen the videos where a large bird of prey drops an animal off a cliff? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iFOVi0vJGU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLFgFCmCg6Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8vXrUEs8wkNow imagine the prey being toddlers instead of goats... They would never. Birds are our friends. https://static1.bigstockphoto.com/1/1/2/large1500/211342123.jpg I believe this documentary claims otherwise:  The Crows Attack the School - Scene | The Birds (1963) | Hitchcock Presents 
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Posted: 12/16/2023 10:06:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Humans have been training and using birds for various things for a long long time. Not the same as snakes and spiders. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: We evolved from small mammals and birds used to be bigger. We still have parts of our brains that function about the same as a lobsters. Jordan peterson does a whole talk on that shit. Humans have been training and using birds for various things for a long long time. Not the same as snakes and spiders. I think most small creatures are instinctively frightened by shadows swooping in from overhead, though I can't recall seeing any larger mammals being frightened by birds. 
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Posted: 12/16/2023 10:12:57 PM EDT
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There is a creature called poj ntxoog, if you look it up it talks about spirits but a lot of older and first generation hmong think it is more like a little long haired humanoid animal/gremlin that lives in the jungle. some of them are even nervous about running into poj ntxoog in the national parks in the US. I wonder if that was ever based on a real creature.
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Posted: 12/16/2023 10:21:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Humans have been training and using birds for various things for a long long time. Not the same as snakes and spiders. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: We evolved from small mammals and birds used to be bigger. We still have parts of our brains that function about the same as a lobsters. Jordan peterson does a whole talk on that shit. Humans have been training and using birds for various things for a long long time. Not the same as snakes and spiders.  You don't train your spiders? I find long speeches in German motivate them the best.
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Posted: 12/16/2023 10:27:18 PM EDT
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Genesis mentioned a serpent in the garden; serpents have always had a negative connotation.
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Posted: 12/16/2023 10:31:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think flying lizards are something all dudes innately daydream about. ETA: The more we know about how little we know about human history, I'm up for things like dragons being real at some point in time. I actually just thought about that yesterday. |
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Posted: 12/16/2023 10:34:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Genesis mentioned a serpent in the garden; serpents have always had a negative connotation. Except for the Staff of Aesculapius, for some reason.
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Posted: 12/16/2023 10:37:20 PM EDT
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First guy had a great story.
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Posted: 12/16/2023 10:37:28 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/16/2023 10:43:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Except for the Staff of Aesculapius, for some reason. I have wondered about that. The closest reason I can find is that non-venomous snakes were allowed to inhabit ancient Greek clinics. Perhaps they were allowed to do so because they are voracious eaters of rats & other vermin, which are known disease-carriers. |
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Posted: 12/16/2023 10:49:12 PM EDT
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Personally, I think it's like Asopes fable, Homer, or numerous others lost to time. Hell even the Bible until it went to print. They were spoken word and passed from generations to generations. So like the old game of telephone, facts get modified over time.
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Posted: 12/16/2023 10:55:46 PM EDT
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Dragons killed all the dinosaurs and ate them thereby destroying people’s food supply so people killed all the dragons and ate them
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Posted: 12/16/2023 11:13:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Same thing with the Chinese zodiac animals. All but one of them of them are commonly found mundane animals found in China. Rat, rabbit, dog, rooster….. And then Dragon. If they threw in one or two other mythical creatures I would understand, but nope, just the one. They ate all f the dragons |
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Posted: 12/16/2023 11:32:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Dragon dreams are never a good sign. We all know what those lead to. |
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Posted: 12/16/2023 11:46:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They would never. Birds are our friends. https://static1.bigstockphoto.com/1/1/2/large1500/211342123.jpg |
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Posted: 12/16/2023 11:49:38 PM EDT
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Rando shaman way back in the day: "Hmmmm...what would really scare the shit out of them...let's see...oh yeah! A flying fucking SNAKE!"
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Posted: 12/17/2023 12:01:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Envy because flight is obviously way cool? Plus they can shit on you without reprisal(pre shotguns). Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: My bosses husband was a mythology professor researching this. He died. There is a lot of evolutionary drive behind the fear of snakes/reptiles and birds. This ingrained fear also makes for compelling storytelling. People fear snakes because they don't want to get bit. Evolutionary fear of birds? Envy because flight is obviously way cool? Plus they can shit on you without reprisal(pre shotguns). What poisonous snakes are in northern Europe? |
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Posted: 12/17/2023 12:08:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What poisonous snakes are in northern Europe? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: My bosses husband was a mythology professor researching this. He died. There is a lot of evolutionary drive behind the fear of snakes/reptiles and birds. This ingrained fear also makes for compelling storytelling. People fear snakes because they don't want to get bit. Evolutionary fear of birds? Envy because flight is obviously way cool? Plus they can shit on you without reprisal(pre shotguns). What poisonous snakes are in northern Europe? Communists, mostly. |
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Posted: 12/17/2023 1:00:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Humans have been training and using birds for various things for a long long time. Not the same as snakes and spiders. The fear predates humans or hominids, primates etc. Think way further back like asteroid wiped out the dinosaurs and mammals that lived underground survived. |
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Posted: 12/17/2023 1:02:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The fear predates humans or hominids, primates etc. Think way further back like asteroid wiped out the dinosaurs and mammals that lived underground survived. I understand your reasoning but if we did have an evolutionary fear of birds I don't think we do anymore. They're everywhere. |
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Posted: 12/17/2023 1:47:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I understand your reasoning but if we did have an evolutionary fear of birds I don't think we do anymore. They're everywhere. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The fear predates humans or hominids, primates etc. Think way further back like asteroid wiped out the dinosaurs and mammals that lived underground survived. I understand your reasoning but if we did have an evolutionary fear of birds I don't think we do anymore. They're everywhere. Our grandparents had a significant fear of birds, but since the birds have been replaced you don't notice them. |
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Posted: 12/17/2023 1:57:04 AM EDT
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As an enthusiastic eater of birds with a flock of chickens, I can assure you birds are quite real, and they are delicious.
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Posted: 12/17/2023 2:02:04 AM EDT
[#29]
combination of whale bones and dinosaur bones
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Posted: 12/17/2023 2:31:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: People found fossil bones of dinosaurs, mammoths and so on... and interpreted them the best they could. This. |
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Posted: 12/17/2023 3:30:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What poisonous snakes are in northern Europe? Common European Adder[3][page needed] Norway, Sweden, Finland, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, France, Denmark, Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Northern Italy, Belgium, Netherlands, Great Britain, Poland, Croatia, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Slovenia, Hungary, Romania, Russia, Ukraine, Mongolia, Northwest China (north Xinjiang) |
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Posted: 12/17/2023 6:11:17 AM EDT
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My wife is terrified of birds because a parrot chased her as a child.
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Posted: 12/17/2023 6:21:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My wife is terrified of birds because a parrot chased her as a child. That is a very reasonable fear. I know a couple of people with scars on their face from getting too close to parrots. A parrots beak is no joke. |
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Posted: 12/17/2023 6:26:03 AM EDT
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Dinosaur fossils.
Done, next question. |
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Posted: 12/17/2023 7:35:06 AM EDT
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Human nature being what it is...some ancient dude found a dino skull and said to himself "I can sell this!"
And boom Dragons are born. |
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Posted: 12/17/2023 9:36:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I understand your reasoning but if we did have an evolutionary fear of birds I don't think we do anymore. They're everywhere. You are an adult who has essentially had decades of exposure therapy. Sure we may never experience an overt fear response or instinctively jump like you might with a snake but they still trigger something on a subconscious/primitive level. You likely will whip your head around if you catch a glimpse of something flying by. They did FMRIs on this stuff. |
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Posted: 12/17/2023 9:40:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Common European Adder[3][page needed] Norway, Sweden, Finland, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, France, Denmark, Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Northern Italy, Belgium, Netherlands, Great Britain, Poland, Croatia, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Slovenia, Hungary, Romania, Russia, Ukraine, Mongolia, Northwest China (north Xinjiang) Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What poisonous snakes are in northern Europe? Common European Adder[3][page needed] Norway, Sweden, Finland, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, France, Denmark, Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Northern Italy, Belgium, Netherlands, Great Britain, Poland, Croatia, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Slovenia, Hungary, Romania, Russia, Ukraine, Mongolia, Northwest China (north Xinjiang) Interesting, thanks. Though it turns out it's not very dangerous to people. |
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Posted: 12/17/2023 10:25:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Common European Adder[3][page needed] Norway, Sweden, Finland, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, France, Denmark, Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Northern Italy, Belgium, Netherlands, Great Britain, Poland, Croatia, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Slovenia, Hungary, Romania, Russia, Ukraine, Mongolia, Northwest China (north Xinjiang) Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What poisonous snakes are in northern Europe? Common European Adder[3][page needed] Norway, Sweden, Finland, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, France, Denmark, Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Northern Italy, Belgium, Netherlands, Great Britain, Poland, Croatia, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Slovenia, Hungary, Romania, Russia, Ukraine, Mongolia, Northwest China (north Xinjiang) That's venomous. He asked about poisonous snakes. |
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Posted: 12/17/2023 10:36:08 AM EDT
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The almost-universal appearance of dragons cross-culturally among ancient peoples is clear evidence of either (a) real and vicious critters that once existed and were seen and recorded in art and epic tales by these ancient peoples, or (b) they are symbolic cultural references to misunderstood alien technology (i.e., dragon art is commonly meant to depict actual alien spacecraft seen in the skies by said ancient peoples).
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Posted: 12/17/2023 10:39:47 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/17/2023 11:23:37 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What poisonous snakes are in northern Europe? There are no 'poisonous" snakes in Europe. There are som mildly "venomous" snakes: Kreuzotter (Vipera berus) and Aspisviper (Vipera aspis) in Germany There are 6 species of venomous snakes in Italy. There are 4 species of venomous snakes in France. for a few examples. Most won't kill a healthy adult with modern medical care. An undernourished adult in 875 a.d.??????? Google is your friend. |
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Posted: 12/17/2023 11:27:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The almost-universal appearance of dragons cross-culturally among ancient peoples is clear evidence of either (a) real and vicious critters that once existed and were seen and recorded in art and epic tales by these ancient peoples, or (b) they are symbolic cultural references to misunderstood alien technology (i.e., dragon art is commonly meant to depict actual alien spacecraft seen in the skies by said ancient peoples). There are primitive tribal people who view modern aircraft as dragons. It is possible there were just advanced civilizations that had mastered flight which have subsequently all been forgotten except for the dragons. |
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Posted: 12/17/2023 11:53:40 AM EDT
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We used to be able to fly.
A-10s existed many civilizations ago. |
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Posted: 12/17/2023 12:33:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: People found fossils of dinosaurs like the t-Rex and made up stories to match those giant teeth. Pretty easy to figure out. China has more dragon stories and guess what more fossils. People have seen dinosaurs, alive, in the jungles pf Africa-within the last 20 or 30 years. 
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Posted: 12/17/2023 12:33:50 PM EDT
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Quoted: Well? Imagination |
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Posted: 12/17/2023 12:35:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They would never. Birds are our friends. https://static1.bigstockphoto.com/1/1/2/large1500/211342123.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Have you ever seen the videos where a large bird of prey drops an animal off a cliff? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iFOVi0vJGU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLFgFCmCg6Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8vXrUEs8wkNow imagine the prey being toddlers instead of goats... They would never. Birds are our friends. https://static1.bigstockphoto.com/1/1/2/large1500/211342123.jpg Catch a falcon once. Without training, they're a long way from our friends. I held a kestrel once, never saw so much "fuck you" in such a small package in my life. |
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