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Very interesting. Will have to watch completely tonight.

As an aside, wonder how many American GI's were spotted and killed since they had taken a lighter to the rough out leather on their boots then spit shined them?

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Cool video I have a question for the military guys.

You are on a patrol and see something not quite right you think might be an enemy solider in camo,  you can’t just fire a few rounds at it (or can you) what do you do.

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https://i1.wp.com/captainstevens.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Snipers-Brit-snipers-capture-German-SS-sniper-1_edited-1024.jpg?ssl=1

https://captainstevens.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Snipers-Brit-snipers-capture-German-SS-sniper-3-edited-1024.jpg

Interesting picture of what is supposedly an SS sniper being captured by Brits in Normandy. Note the US camo.

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One I always liked is the Italian M29 pattern, which was used by the Germans, including the Army and SS.

IIRC correctly, it's called "M29" because the Italians developed it in 1929.  They used it until the 1990's as well.

This is an SS repro pic

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/bd/29/83/bd29831156829d4b7e1fc3c38f898981.jpg

This is a version of M29 that the Italians were using until fairly recently, in 2 different hues.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/be/3f/d8/be3fd8c796b8374e9780d25fb4f63326.jpg

http://i84.servimg.com/u/f84/14/04/67/69/img_6012.jpg

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My gut is it’s a training photo. Snipers are to be killed not captured.

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My dad when he was a tiny whee lad growing up in Hungary got some SS camo and he used it to launch his model gliders off the mountain top park in Tatabanya Hungary. He would launch his plane and he also painted his plane the same pattern so it would match the local area where it fell on the bottom of the mountain top area.

He was doing this so the local Russkies nearby wouldn't find his model planes nor get all wiffy about what he was doing.

hey guys?

What about the Austrian army pattern that was used post war until the 90s?

Did that have origins in the SS patterns?

https://www.google.hu/search?q=Austrian+camo&dcr=0&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=iQhYpq0Q_ACBvM%253A%252CMjLI4xy09rMR1M%252C_&usg=__8nFUf8YYy-MxOPWCSnMSixtPB_I%3D&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiN4fzy-4vYAhVEb1AKHWcNCDQQ9QEINDAF#imgrc=iQhYpq0Q_ACBvM:

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I'm on my phone so a pic is not happenning, but the Russian "partizan" patterns are nearly direct copies of WWII German camo.

Can someone post a pic of russian summer partizan?

It's wwii origins are unmistakable

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This?

https://i.ebayimg.com/thumbs/images/g/RrUAAOSwsFpWTJuz/s-l225.jpg

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Anyone sell repros of this stuff?

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US camo had some friendly fire incidents but IIRC the contracts for it had been cancelled in late '43 or early '44.

Ed Walton of Lost Battalions posted tjis on another forum:

"Generally speaking, the combat arms branches were opposed to camouflage due to their feelings about the use of camo in the Pacific in 1943, but the engineers believed in camo and were pushing the idea for Europe. As a result, it was decided that there would be three test battalions in Normandy wearing the camo in July. One battalion of the 30th ID - which earned them the nickname of "Roosevelt's SS", the organic combat engineer battalion of the 2nd Armored, and one battalion of the 2nd ID. I've not found any reference to the specific battalions by number for the infantry divisions, nor the regimetns. So you have a coverage of less than 1/14th table strength in each of the three divisions wearing these uniforms so that's a very small pool of people and all in front line positions with very high turnover. For instance, the second ID had 15,000 battle casualties from 6/44 to 5/45 against a table strength of 14,000. The British published books about US uniforms claim the camo was quickly withdrawn due to battle casualties from friendly fire as a result of mistaken identity for Waffen-SS dot camo. While researching this, I found that there were in fact friendly fire incidents between the 29th Division and the 2nd Division right after the 2nd ID came ashore, but it was caused by the dark green OD7 HBT fatigues being worn by the 2nd ID. The 29th had not seen that color before and it apparently looked to them like German reed green. I never found any specific historical incidents of friendly fire against the test battalions. I discussed this many years ago with Jonathan Gawne, editor of the defunct US edition of "Militaria Magazine," publisher of the old lamented "G.I. Journal" and author of "Spearheading D-Day" and many other books, who is probably the foremost authority on US uniforms. Jon told me he had researched the AARs in the National Archives specifically to find out about these alleged friendly fire incidents involving camouflage and he found nothing. Not one incident. Then he researched for the orders pulling the uniforms and found nothing. This British theory about US uniforms is further disproved by the fact that photos show these uniforms still being used by personnel in those units in late September 1944. The decision had already been made before the fact that camo would not be used in Europe and this "test" was merely a sop to the camo agitators in the Engineer Corps. The uniforms were issued to a relatively miniscule number of people and the uniforms were allowed to live out their combat lifespans of a few weeks and never replaced. It's notable that in the photos in September, such as the 2nd ID at Brest, there is usually only one or two men in each shot still surviving who has camo as compared to early July photos where everyone in the photo is wearing camo. The average lifespan of a combat infantryman with his unit in Europe was reckoned to be about 15 days. At that point, he was either dead or sent back wounded. Of course, we all know of guys who bought it immediately and others who survived straight through from June to May unscathed. However, you get the point. These uniforms didn't last long because the guys wearing them didn't last long."

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Its certainly an interesting situation. One Brit (or canadian) has a sten gun minus its butt stock. The other has a lee enfield sniper (note the cheek piece on the butt) without a scope. Then we have the supposed german with US camo and uncamoflaged helmet. These pics were featured in Senich's german sniper book and elsewhere and captioned as  a german sniper being captured but I wonder as well.

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Google “Russian partisan m camo suit” for an updated version of the same camo.

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Any of you rein-actors know who was doing German camo reproduction out of Los Angeles 20 or so years ago? I have some really nice winter parkas (among other things) I purchased from him back then. I even stopped in his shop when I was out there one time. It's not the owner of SM Wholesale as I already asked him.

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T'would be cool if we could talk one of the manufacturers of American-sized BDU's to make German-pattern 'flage...

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My gut is it’s a training photo. Snipers are to be killed not captured.

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AFAIK, the Austrian pattern is considered a derivative of the WW2 German patterns. Same for flecktarn, tropentarn, and the Danish version of fleck.

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@tx-zen has these and did a killer write up

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T'would be cool if we could talk one of the manufacturers of American-sized BDU's to make German-pattern 'flage...

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I was thinking the same thing as long as they were well made and not Chicom garbage.

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Curious,  are there any markings of any kind on them?  My parka was purchased around 1990 and there are no makers marks or even a size print.  
A very nice quality parka.

EDIT  @slimslade

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I have a Russian marine uniform that fit me when I bought it (that was a much younger, thinner me). Never issued, in new condition. Maybe I'll see if I can get a picture of it.

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@tx-zen has these and did a killer write up

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Any of you rein-actors know who was doing German camo reproduction out of Los Angeles 20 or so years ago? I have some really nice winter parkas (among other things) I purchased from him back then. I even stopped in his shop when I was out there one time. It's not the owner of SM Wholesale as I already asked him.