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Posted: 10/26/2011 5:24:58 AM EDT

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There is nothing more satisfying and frustrating at the same time than shooting an AR out to 1K yds...
http://www.adcofirearms.com/junkpics/1ktargetup.jpg

past about 500 seems to be my wall. it really begins to take skill to reach out further than than.

I would agree with that. I can ding the 500 yard plate (probably slightly larger than one foot square) nearly every time, regardless of wind conditions, with my Remington 700 and fixed 10x glass. Not much of a challenge, I do it mostly to confirm my hold overs and tables and tweak as needed.

Past that, which is a rarity for me due to having a 500 yard limit at my range, it gets a lot more challenging. The few times I've been to a 1000 yard range have been humbling, and I can't blame it on the .308 caliber alone.

Posted: 10/26/2011 5:29:52 AM EDT

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Wow, I don't know what ranges you all shoot at but here at my range most guys can't hit shit past 200 yards. I shoot CMP matches and 200 yards with a service rifle is a challenge but not hard with good practice. 500 yards off a bench or prone maybe on a good day with no wind. 500 yards with a properly set-up gun with an optic yes, people who say they can get consistent hits at 300 plus yards offhand with a service rifle are full of shit.

I can get consistent hits, prone with a sling, at 400 yards, with a 70 year old Enfield Mk4 and you don't think there are people who can do it with a modern service rifle? We're all full of shit?

I saw a whole line of shooters do just that, but what is see most of all are guys who can't hit at 200 yards and guys online who tell great BS stories of their long range accuracy. I shoot every week without fail I see hundreds of shooters a year. Shooting out past 200 yards takes skill and practice with proper trigger controll. How hard is it to hit at 500 very for 99% of shooters. We should stop putting crap of how easy it is in new shooters heads so when they go out and try they have realistic expectations. Oh I forgot I am on AR15.com not the CMP forum.

it IS easy and, like I said... give me 20 min with someone and I'll have them hitting assuming they're not totally fucked up

Posted: 10/26/2011 6:26:21 AM EDT

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One of the outfitters in the Rockies has all his clients sight in and shoot his known distance 24" gongs at 300 and 500 yards. Surpising how many people can hit the 500 with everything from 270 , 308 , all magnums etc

Funny thing is on his unknown distance range most hunters can't hit crap past 300 since they struggle to estimate range without rangefinder / mil dot etc

Bottom line, 500yrds is not that hard if you know its 500 yards and size of target.

Consider this : using ballpark figures a 308win ( assume 100yrd zero ) there is over 20" difference in drop between let say 400 and 500 yards. Pretty easy to miss target if you range calculation is off

Seen lots of guys shoot over game when hunting the longer ranges not because they are unsteady, but overestimate range

Its humbling when you play the guess the range game when you have a rangefinder to verify

This thread needs some reach out and touch them porn

Posted: 10/26/2011 6:59:32 AM EDT

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easy to do if you know the exact range ...

difficult if the target is out in the distance and walking around ...

Posted: 10/26/2011 7:56:49 AM EDT

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One of the outfitters in the Rockies has all his clients sight in and shoot his known distance 24" gongs at 300 and 500 yards. Surpising how many people can hit the 500 with everything from 270 , 308 , all magnums etc

Funny thing is on his unknown distance range most hunters can't hit crap past 300 since they struggle to estimate range without rangefinder / mil dot etc

Bottom line, 500yrds is not that hard if you know its 500 yards and size of target.

Consider this : using ballpark figures a 308win ( assume 100yrd zero ) there is over 20" difference in drop between let say 400 and 500 yards. Pretty easy to miss target if you range calculation is off

Seen lots of guys shoot over game when hunting the longer ranges not because they are unsteady, but overestimate range

Its humbling when you play the guess the range game when you have a rangefinder to verify

This thread needs some reach out and touch them porn

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c347/TRG42/trg42/TRG-42-31.jpg

That is the part that makes prairie dogging so much fun! Pop up targets from 50 to "can't see them" range. Plus, they are pretty small. Great way to get your mind ranging and shooting technique focused, though a laser rangefinder or the varmint ranging reticles are a blessing once the 300 yd line is crossed.

Posted: 10/26/2011 8:02:40 AM EDT

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Trivial if you have the proper equipment.

http://members.cox.net/southparkmilitia/images/guns/AR-50_+_CA_Kid.jpg

A guy I used to work with wanted to build something like that with a semi-auto M2 he built.

Posted: 10/26/2011 8:08:09 AM EDT

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Lobbing in .22LR at 200 yards is fun as well.

Or farther.

Posted: 10/26/2011 8:23:22 AM EDT

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If you know your dope and can read the wind then 500 yards is pretty easy with a caliber that can push out that far. I shoot steel at those ranges consistently all the time.

Posted: 10/26/2011 9:16:33 AM EDT

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Lobbing in .22LR at 200 yards is fun as well.

Or farther.

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Posted: 10/26/2011 11:22:28 AM EDT

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Not hard at all, most of the mil siloutte 500M targets like the NG SRCR are very generous esp for elevation 18" wide x 45" tall. Nost people are atleast that wide but taller so to hit a person standing like an idiot at 500 isn't that hard as you are getting a target atleast 18"W x 58"Tall, even if you held center mass or high chest you will hit even with a 200 zero....even a 5.56 to the legs is going to put someone out of action...

Posted: 10/26/2011 11:28:03 AM EDT

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How about off-hand with iron sights?

I can hit a 14" target at 500yrds off hand with iron sites(repeatedly) with my 20" HB AR-15, after a round to get the wind down. Also showed my friend how to do it offhand and he was successful too after about 3 shots. He had never shot anything passed 100 yrds.

When you get accustomed to shooting with iron sights at 500 ... a scoped rifle makes it childs play. Acogs make it EASY!!

Posted: 10/26/2011 11:44:04 AM EDT

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How about off-hand with iron sights?

I can hit a 14" target at 500yrds off hand with iron sites(repeatedly) with my 20" HB AR-15, after a round to get the wind down. Also showed my friend how to do it offhand and he was successful too after about 3 shots. He had never shot anything passed 100 yrds.

When you get accustomed to shooting with iron sights at 500 ... a scoped rifle makes it childs play. Acogs make it EASY!!

You just said something I have believed for a long time. Learning to shoot with iron sights is not in fashion these days but its a valuable skill.

Posted: 10/26/2011 11:45:48 AM EDT

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2 shots, 1100 yards total within 20 minutes:

Conditions were close to perfect that day, good light and very little wind and the beans were low.

Posted: 10/26/2011 11:45:48 AM EDT

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This thread has inspired me to set my 45% IPSC torso steel (8.5x13") at 100yds, and try shooting it with my Marlin 795 w/ tech sights. That would only represent about 220 yds, but when all you've got is a 100yd range, you do what you have to. If that works out well, I may get a 4" square to try.

Posted: 10/26/2011 1:32:17 PM EDT

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This thread has inspired me to set my 45% IPSC torso steel (8.5x13") at 100yds, and try shooting it with my Marlin 795 w/ tech sights. That would only represent about 220 yds, but when all you've got is a 100yd range, you do what you have to. If that works out well, I may get a 4" square to try.

Use a 3x5 index card at 100, cut off a one inch square in each top corner on the thin edge and you have a good approximation.

Posted: 10/26/2011 1:44:46 PM EDT

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How about off-hand with iron sights?

I can hit a 14" target at 500yrds off hand with iron sites(repeatedly) with my 20" HB AR-15, after a round to get the wind down. Also showed my friend how to do it offhand and he was successful too after about 3 shots. He had never shot anything passed 100 yrds.

When you get accustomed to shooting with iron sights at 500 ... a scoped rifle makes it childs play. Acogs make it EASY!!

You just said something I have believed for a long time. Learning to shoot with iron sights is not in fashion these days but its a valuable skill.

Iron sights first.

After my yearly deep cleaning and maintenance of my main rifle a few weeks ago, I left my optics off the rifle... Back to basics for a while.

TR85.

Posted: 10/26/2011 2:04:24 PM EDT

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First hurdle is you have your rifle, the optic, and the cartridge properly matched to each other

2nd is to properly drive the rifle. Mount, breathing, trigger etc.

3rd is to understand parabola (math)

4th is to dope wind correctly.

Posted: 10/26/2011 2:56:15 PM EDT

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this is where i shoot

Morning fog at thunder valley

<a href="http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/829/tvpv.jpg/" target="_blank">http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/5592/tvpv.jpg</a>

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no fog :)

we spotted a groundhog at the 1 mile target who took allot of incoming artillery fire... but he lived...

<a href="http://min.us/liOJjpO1PHnFl" target="_blank">http://i.minus.com/jiOJjpO1PHnFl.JPG</a>

pics from the shoot

http://min.us/mpcUhTXgT

That is a sick range....

Posted: 10/26/2011 3:05:47 PM EDT

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Wow, I don't know what ranges you all shoot at but here at my range most guys can't hit shit past 200 yards. I shoot CMP matches and 200 yards with a service rifle is a challenge but not hard with good practice. 500 yards off a bench or prone maybe on a good day with no wind. 500 yards with a properly set-up gun with an optic yes, people who say they can get consistent hits at 300 plus yards offhand with a service rifle are full of shit.

I can get consistent hits, prone with a sling, at 400 yards, with a 70 year old Enfield Mk4 and you don't think there are people who can do it with a modern service rifle? We're all full of shit?

I saw a whole line of shooters do just that, but what is see most of all are guys who can't hit at 200 yards and guys online who tell great BS stories of their long range accuracy. I shoot every week without fail I see hundreds of shooters a year. Shooting out past 200 yards takes skill and practice with proper trigger controll. How hard is it to hit at 500 very for 99% of shooters. We should stop putting crap of how easy it is in new shooters heads so when they go out and try they have realistic expectations. Oh I forgot I am on AR15.com not the CMP forum.

it IS easy and, like I said... give me 20 min with someone and I'll have them hitting assuming they're not totally fucked up

If you know how far the target is, work out your come-ups for whatever sighting system you are using and can shoot well enough to group acceptably at 100 yards there isn't much else in your way. If you can get a rough estimate of the wind's speed and direction and understand how to play the width of the target, which is not an advanced wind doping exercise, you will not have issues on man sized targets at 500 yards. The primary reason people think it's hard to hit at 500 yards is that most folks seldom shoot anywhere near that far and their concept of distance and related complexity is skewed.

First round hits (and corrections) at unknown distance are a test of one's overall proficiency, not known distance shooting at 500 yards on big targets in normal weather.

Posted: 10/26/2011 4:37:17 PM EDT

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people who say they can get consistent hits at 300 plus yards offhand with a service rifle are full of shit.

On a man sized target? Guess I'm full of shit.

Don't sweat it, you have a lot of other high power shooters that must be constipated too!

I'm also sure a bunch of them would love to put some money on that bet too!

Posted: 10/26/2011 4:42:28 PM EDT

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2 shots, 1100 yards total within 20 minutes:

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b50/Groundhogwhacka/2009%20Groundhogs/DSCF0005.jpg

Conditions were close to perfect that day, good light and very little wind and the beans were low.

gun? bullet? scope?

Posted: 10/26/2011 4:51:18 PM EDT

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USMC KD course .....10 rounds at 500 yards.....I usually went 7 out of 10.

That's about right. Marines all over the world are probably doing it right now. Semper Fi.

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This for me as well its easy with practice and being able to break down the wind in to 1/4 value, 1/2 value, 3/4 value and full value winds. Once you apply
good fundamentals and practice you can hit almost every shot.

Posted: 10/26/2011 4:56:08 PM EDT

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Glock 19 at 200 yards is tons of fun. Prone supported of course.

You ain't had fun till you've hit a 5 gallon water jug at 300 with a 1911.

TR85.

Both you guys got a long way to go to get to the OP's 500yd mark......

I can hit a 55 gallon drum at 500 yards with my Springfield Armory M1911A1 GI Mil-Spec. More than half the time.

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Posted: 10/26/2011 6:51:19 PM EDT

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I can hit a 55 gallon drum at 500 yards with my Springfield Armory M1911A1 GI Mil-Spec. More than half the time.

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I hate it when I get a box of ammo with half the bullets bent or something.

Posted: 10/27/2011 4:33:55 AM EDT

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2 shots, 1100 yards total within 20 minutes:

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b50/Groundhogwhacka/2009%20Groundhogs/DSCF0005.jpg

Conditions were close to perfect that day, good light and very little wind and the beans were low.

Did you really just add the distances of multiple shots to try and sound more impressive?

Posted: 10/27/2011 5:00:06 AM EDT

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How about off-hand with iron sights?

Iron sights don't hurt you at 500 unless your eyesight is terrible.

Standing, offhand, with no sling, no coat, on uneven terrain? That's tough. Not impossible, but very tough. You're going to compound your inaccuracy with a ~4MOA tremor even if you're pretty good. Figure you have a 1 minute rifle and 2 minute ammo... that's a "group size" of slightly over a yard at 500. Now add in wind and it gets worse.

You get a sling and cut your tremor in half and you'll do much better.

Right.

I've shot Service Rifle at 600. Your ONLY option in SR is irons.

It's not THAT difficult, so long as you calculate the come-up correctly.

Posted: 10/27/2011 5:35:04 AM EDT

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2 shots, 1100 yards total within 20 minutes:

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b50/Groundhogwhacka/2009%20Groundhogs/DSCF0005.jpg

Conditions were close to perfect that day, good light and very little wind and the beans were low.

Did you really just add the distances of multiple shots to try and sound more impressive?

Well even if he did 50 yards and 1050 yards would still be impressive.

Posted: 10/27/2011 5:46:22 AM EDT

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How about off-hand with iron sights?

A bit more difficult than prone with a scoped rifle.

Posted: 10/27/2011 5:52:41 AM EDT

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At 300 yards, your typical .223 round is at the mercy of both the wind and gravity. At 500 yards with an AR I'd say that it's challenging. 500 yards with a good .308 bolt gun is doable. However, at 400 yards the .308 also starts dropping like a stone.

I don't care what people say, having the skill to be reliably hit a man or game sized target at 500 yards or further takes great skill and practice, and should be considered an a worthy achievement.

Dropping like a stone? What load are you using? 600 yards isn't a problem for an AR or a .308.

Posted: 10/27/2011 5:54:35 AM EDT

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Another thing.

You guys that have never shot past 200 yards don't have to just sit around wondering what the deal is. Take your .22LR rifle (you do have one, don't you?), and shoot it at 100 yards.
With subsonics, there's about 4-5" of drop on a .22LR at 100 from a 50 yard zero.
You go out to 150 yards, and we're talking around 15" of drop.

Take a 1/3 scale target and shoot it with a .22LR at 125-150 yards. That's about the same difficulty as hitting a man at 500 with a service rifle.

This.

A standard-velocity .22LR at 200 is about like shooting at 1000 yds, too. They call it "mini-Palma".

Posted: 10/27/2011 6:05:27 AM EDT

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it IS easy and, like I said... give me 20 min with someone and I'll have them hitting assuming they're not totally fucked up

This. What takes skill and practice is CLEANING the target, not just hitting the target.

Posted: 10/27/2011 6:21:36 AM EDT

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At 300 yards, your typical .223 round is at the mercy of both the wind and gravity. At 500 yards with an AR I'd say that it's challenging. 500 yards with a good .308 bolt gun is doable. However, at 400 yards the .308 also starts dropping like a stone.

I don't care what people say, having the skill to be reliably hit a man or game sized target at 500 yards or further takes great skill and practice, and should be considered an a worthy achievement.

Dropping like a stone? What load are you using? 600 yards isn't a problem for an AR or a .308.

I don't look at wind at 300 unless its a full value wind at 15mph

And 308 has pleanty of balls at 600 still.....

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Posted: 10/27/2011 6:26:16 AM EDT

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One, to get a read of the wind.

This, at most.

Wind reading is your friend.

yep, if you have your rifle dope and can read the wind it's not that hard.

Well i guess that depends on the size of the target. My frame of reference is the M16A2 with issue ammo and the Baker target as the Marines trained on in my day. The baker target is fairly generous full size man silhoutte 20" wide, 40" tall IIRC. That's nothing but a standard rifle (no free float barrel) and a cheap issue nylon sling used as a shooting sling in the highpower style, shot prone.

The mcmillan stocked heavy barrel .308 with a bipod would laugh at such a large target. The Able target would be a more fair target for it at 500. That's the round bull with a 12" diameter. I think the 5V center was 6". (basically the X ring)

Posted: 10/27/2011 6:26:46 AM EDT

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me...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OC6dffKJx4o

Groundhog Varminting in Ohio.

Shots in video take place place from 100 to 735 yards.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sia7NZNfxDg

Shots in video take place place from 200 to 600 yards.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i97icxDF9v4

Shots in video take place place from 200 to 300 yards.

Posted: 10/27/2011 6:29:13 AM EDT

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I normaly shoot at 400-600 off hand with open sights. Its not hard to do if you have the proper skills.

I rarely miss.

Posted: 10/27/2011 6:31:00 AM EDT

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I shot Olympic small bore position shooting before joining the Marines.
I RAPED the KD course every year.
Shooting at 500 is easy if you learn and apply the fundamentals of marksmanship.

Posted: 10/27/2011 6:31:17 AM EDT

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How about off-hand with iron sights?

Now that's a real real challenge.

This summer I was doing it at 300m on army pop targets at Ft. Drum with my CAR15 and getting hits 70-80% of the time. I was quite impressed with myself and the rifle. The stock trigger was the biggest challenge. Off hand I do better with a basic rack rifle and not the fat barreled, scoped sniper wannabe rifles. For me that kind of weight is difficult to master. A match weight AR is about as much weight as i want to hold. yeah, I know, hit the weights.

Posted: 10/27/2011 6:44:33 AM EDT

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I'm totally intrigued by this 500 yard offhand thing in silhouette now. I shot highpower service rifle for a while, and hope to do so again next year, so I have good gear, loads, and sight dope. When I hear offhand, I'm thinking just plain standing, unsupported, unslung, with a shooting jacket which I have only done at 200, and do alright there. Next opportunity I get, I'm going to push out to 300. (Which is normally sitting or prone for me)

Whoever mentioned that the .223 is not so good past 500, I have put plenty where I want them at 600, as do all the guys (and girls) shooting proned and slung.

My usual club/match range does not have a silhouette range that long, but I am going to go to one of their matches they do have, and see what I can pick up in advice. It might improve my offhand in general.

Thanks again for the silhouette point. Never in my life thought about it. This place rocks.

Posted: 10/27/2011 7:00:14 AM EDT

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How about off-hand with iron sights?

Too far to do with any real probability, I'd say. 200 is not bad with good gear.

Either I am seriously under-appreciating my skills or 200yards off-hand w/ iron sights in to a torso sized target should be doable by most who practice shooting their rifles.

Am I out on a limb here?

Im really not the greatest shot out there but, 300m offhand with irons and a sling is no sweat.

Posted: 10/27/2011 7:08:56 AM EDT

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There is nothing more satisfying and frustrating at the same time than shooting an AR out to 1K yds...
http://www.adcofirearms.com/junkpics/1ktargetup.jpg

Sir, FWIW I recognize the low end of Viale at Camp Perry. On the line of this thread I shot a 198-8x there at 600yd during NTI this year with my "ancient" Colt AR. 7zero1 out.

Posted: 10/27/2011 7:29:43 AM EDT

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Whoever mentioned that the .223 is not so good past 500, I have put plenty where I want them at 600, as do all the guys (and girls) shooting proned and slung.

Only when hunting varmints. After 500, the wind scoots the bullet around a bit, and a near miss sends them scurrying down their hole.

For targets, I'd have no problem at that range and further, but I wouldn't expect a 1" group by any stretch of the imagination.

Posted: 10/27/2011 7:31:46 AM EDT

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2 shots, 1100 yards total within 20 minutes:

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b50/Groundhogwhacka/2009%20Groundhogs/DSCF0005.jpg

Conditions were close to perfect that day, good light and very little wind and the beans were low.

gun? bullet? scope?

SharpShooter Supply built Savage chambered in 22BR, .250 tight neck, 1/7 twist shooting 75 grain Amaxs or Starke 80 grain VLDs

Scope is a Nikon 6.5-20X44 Monarch with a fine cross hair reticle.

Posted: 10/27/2011 7:33:09 AM EDT

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2 shots, 1100 yards total within 20 minutes:

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b50/Groundhogwhacka/2009%20Groundhogs/DSCF0005.jpg

Conditions were close to perfect that day, good light and very little wind and the beans were low.

Did you really just add the distances of multiple shots to try and sound more impressive?

Are you not impressed?

Both shots were 550 yards but you didn't know that, now did you.

I hit both in the same spot in the same field.

I shot one @ 532 this year in almost the same spot.

Posted: 10/27/2011 7:51:06 AM EDT

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2 shots, 1100 yards total within 20 minutes:

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b50/Groundhogwhacka/2009%20Groundhogs/DSCF0005.jpg

Conditions were close to perfect that day, good light and very little wind and the beans were low.

Did you really just add the distances of multiple shots to try and sound more impressive?

Are you not impressed?

Both shots were 550 yards but you didn't know that, now did you.

I hit both in the same spot in the same field.

I shot one @ 532 this year in almost the same spot.

There you go, that's better. I shoot 6in plates at 500 with my .308 AR, but when I hit it 10 out of 10 I don't say "5000 total yards" or "I shot this 6" plate 10 times at 3 total miles with my .308"

Posted: 10/27/2011 10:29:57 AM EDT

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USMC KD course .....10 rounds at 500 yards.....I usually went 7 out of 10.

Fucking this. And I did it with this:

http://xbradtc.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/m16a2.gif

No HBAR, no optics, no bipod, just a plain old issued rifle and iron sights. Is it hard? Not in the least if you apply the fundamentals and don't rush your shots.

Yep, and they were usually beat all to hell too.

Only once did I not shoot Expert, and that was boot camp.

Posted: 10/27/2011 1:45:38 PM EDT

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This is now a Marine bootcamp score thread.
237.

Posted: 10/27/2011 2:08:49 PM EDT

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This is now a Marine bootcamp score thread.
237.

242

company high shooter

wait one for i love me wall goodness

Posted: 10/27/2011 2:15:07 PM EDT

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I have a 200 yd range & have few rifles that are consistent with their favorite handload. I got to shoot at 375 yds one time and was ringing my 13" steel gong.

Wife's classmate just invited us to his farm. Says we can shoot 1000 yds there. We're taking him up on it this Sat & will report back.

Going to bring her mid-length AR w/ Leupold 2.5-8x, Rem LTR .308 w/ 3.5-10x Leupold & 175 moly matchkings, M1A w/ irons & 155 gr AMAX, & a Barrett 99.

Figured I'd set up my steel gongs at 500 yds or so, & see how far we can move them back while getting hits & recording data.

I'll report back after Sat

Bob

Posted: 10/27/2011 2:16:22 PM EDT

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IME, shooting past 500 isn't that difficult if its KD, and a fairly calm day.

Add some breeze and UK distance and shooting really becomes tough.

Posted: 10/27/2011 2:18:26 PM EDT

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At 300 yards, your typical .223 round is at the mercy of both the wind and gravity. At 500 yards with an AR I'd say that it's challenging. 500 yards with a good .308 bolt gun is doable. However, at 400 yards the .308 also starts dropping like a stone.

I don't care what people say, having the skill to be reliably hit a man or game sized target at 500 yards or further takes great skill and practice, and should be considered an a worthy achievement.

Dropping like a stone? What load are you using? 600 yards isn't a problem for an AR or a .308.

The .308 is dropping like a stone when you take other calibers into consideration. The 6.5 flavor of bullets is once that certainly comes to mind.

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