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Posted: 2/1/2018 12:59:53 AM EDT
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Voted weak cause of the vagina factor.
In the past I always joked "if you got as fat as your mother I would leave you." and in turn she would joke joke if you "got as stupid as my father I would leave you". Now that she is facing cancer I honestly would have let her get as fat as she would have ever wanted. MAGA shit right. |
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Posted: 2/1/2018 1:32:31 AM EDT
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If your marriage vows said "for better or worse, for richer or poorer, in sickness and in health, till death do you part" then it is up to you wether your word is vow/word/promise/honor is worth a shit or not. That would be your call. If those phrases weren't in your vow, I suppose you could eject any time. Would your wife have the same option if you lost your job, broke your leg, got a beer gut, grew a beard she didn't like, or if anything she didn't like happened with you? ETA: "Always faithful" doesn't mean when it is fun, easy, convenient, or when someone will notice that you did it...there is only one qualifier in that motto.."always". It seems pretty simple to me. |
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Posted: 2/1/2018 9:23:29 AM EDT
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Unfortunately there's a lot of factors and I do not know the answer. This is my personal experience and I am under the direction of my doctor. I am prediabetic. I have been maintaining a calorie intake of about 1000 calories a day for the past 3 weeks. I eat a 55 % protein/40% fat/ 5% carb ratio. I am not in Ketosis and never have been. My doctor believes it's because my body is stressed due to too low of calories which causes my body to burn protein as glucose. My blood sugar level is fasting 125 and 225 an hour after eating (averages.) So if you just take my personal experience you can see there is a lot of factors. What I can say is that I am very smart when it comes to nutrition. I minored in graduate school in health and nutrition. I was an athlete my entire life so I have a very strong willpower and perseverance. I do not cheat and I am religious at weighing and writing my diet down. Most women are not as strong in this category as I am. Today I sat through 8 hours of boring lectures with a plate of fudge next to me with a basket of Hershey miniatures and I did not waiver--even with my co-workers encouraging me. I'm saying to men on here that losing weight for women is very difficult. Our bodies are designed to hold fat in - not lose it. There is temptation every where and the majority of people (including most likely you) are enabling bad habits. Your wife needs your love, support, compassion and help. |
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Posted: 2/1/2018 9:29:58 AM EDT
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My older sister who'd always been thin hit 45 and almost overnight her sleep was messed up, zero energy, started gaining weight, etc. She'd always been very health conscious but menopause made her regular diet irrelevant.
Hormones play a huge role in dictating how your body uses energy. Once they get out of whack the rules don't apply anymore. She began seeing a specialist who worked on getting her thyroid/hormones lined out. In the meantime, she asked me to come for a weekend and evaluate her diet. I drove up there thinking I could get her lined out and all would be good. Imagine my surprise when I found out that she'd already (for the last year or so) been eating the way I was going to recommend (high fat/low carb) yet she was still gaining weight. For the entire weekend I cooked every meal. I wound up eating some crap food (Taco Bell because it was so late the night I got to her house) but she ate only the meals I fixed. After that weekend I'd lost 2 pounds, she'd gained 3. Eventually her specialist got things dialed in properly (took about a year of trial and error) and with NO other changes, she finally began losing the weight she'd gained. It's still not easy for her. 10 years ago she'd gain 5 pounds, knew exactly what to do and would lose it easily. Now, even with the diet and hormone meds it's a struggle to lose a few pounds here and there. https://www.dietdoctor.com/first-law-thermodynamics-utterly-irrelevant Hormones trump calories every time. |
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Posted: 2/1/2018 10:33:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hormones trump calories every time. 1, the process by which hormones generate calories with no input or 2. hormones pulling calories out of the air Because unless you put it in your mouth you cant burn it or store it. |
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Posted: 2/1/2018 10:56:38 AM EDT
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Hormones trump calories every time. If not, show me the science. To summarize for our readers...people are already different. Throw in the additional variable of hormone/metabolic disorders and a person suddenly processes food/calories even more differently. To the point that trying to lose weight with a fucked up endocrine system is stupid. Fix (or get it under control) yourself first. Hormones cannot create energy from nothing. But at the end of the day, one has to monitor the input and adjust to get the desired results. |
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Posted: 2/1/2018 10:59:17 AM EDT
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I would believe that if you could show me either 1, the process by which hormones generate calories with no input or 2. hormones pulling calories out of the air Because unless you put it in your mouth you cant burn it or store it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 2/1/2018 10:59:44 AM EDT
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My older sister who'd always been thin hit 45 and almost overnight her sleep was messed up, zero energy, started gaining weight, etc. She'd always been very health conscious but menopause made her regular diet irrelevant. Hormones play a huge role in dictating how your body uses energy. Once they get out of whack the rules don't apply anymore. She began seeing a specialist who worked on getting her thyroid/hormones lined out. In the meantime, she asked me to come for a weekend and evaluate her diet. I drove up there thinking I could get her lined out and all would be good. Imagine my surprise when I found out that she'd already (for the last year or so) been eating the way I was going to recommend (high fat/low carb) yet she was still gaining weight. For the entire weekend I cooked every meal. I wound up eating some crap food (Taco Bell because it was so late the night I got to her house) but she ate only the meals I fixed. After that weekend I'd lost 2 pounds, she'd gained 3. Eventually her specialist got things dialed in properly (took about a year of trial and error) and with NO other changes, she finally began losing the weight she'd gained. It's still not easy for her. 10 years ago she'd gain 5 pounds, knew exactly what to do and would lose it easily. Now, even with the diet and hormone meds it's a struggle to lose a few pounds here and there. https://www.dietdoctor.com/first-law-thermodynamics-utterly-irrelevant Hormones trump calories every time. |
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Posted: 2/1/2018 10:59:57 AM EDT
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guess I can never get married then cause fatbodies literally disgust me
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Posted: 2/1/2018 11:01:32 AM EDT
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One of my college roommates had a saying: "Never have sex with women who get pregnant, and never marry a woman who gets fat."
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Posted: 2/1/2018 11:02:54 AM EDT
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I 2nd the hormones and hereditary aspect of weight gain on chicks
Here is 1 example I saw 1st hand with my buddies wife and his daughter. Buddy of mine has an awesome wife. Saw pics of her when she was in highschool - beautiful girl 5 foot 4 maybe 110 lbs. Got married in the 1980s had a kid early on and fast forward 20 yrs she hits 40-45yo and her butt is on human growth hormones or something. The rest of her stayed regular looking ... just her hips and ass grew disproportionate big ( REAL BIG ) Now onto her daughter ... I personally watched this kid grow up from a skinny little 7yo to a perfectly regular 5 foot 4 100lb chick in high school. She has a kid at around 22yo or so and bam like magic she is closing in on early 30s and guess what ?? YUP her ass is getting bigger and bigger everytime I see her. Its just the wierdest thing to witness. Has to be genetics inherited. her and her mom are going to be twins silhouette anyday now. All other parts of their body normal HWP. Except butt and hips. Makes for a really strange look as most peoples weight is spread all over from head to toe and seems more balanced |
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Posted: 2/1/2018 11:05:13 AM EDT
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My wife is in better shape than I an and goes to yoga twice a week
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Posted: 2/1/2018 11:07:52 AM EDT
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Yup, need actual portion control. Especially with energy dense foods like fats. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 2/1/2018 11:13:52 AM EDT
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One of my college roommates had a saying: "Never have sex with women who get pregnant, and never marry a woman who gets fat." And it wasn’t about females. |
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Posted: 2/1/2018 11:30:01 AM EDT
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Not married but when dating I seek girls who want to engage in fitness activities with me and have comparable fitness goals which I think is a winning strategy. My wife is avg height and struggles with her weight. It's all about her diet and it's been an issue between us on many occasions. I love her dearly and have tried just about everything I can to convince her that being a healthy weight is extremely important to her life long health. She understands it and has been working on it...... again. I have not intention of leaving my wife and we have a healthy relationship in all aspects. But, if I had it to do all over again I would have made your quote a requirement when I was in the market for a life long companion. I think it's finally sinking in as we get older that her fitness path in life is not sustainable. She is not huge or anything but she is beyond where she should be from a health standpoint. She needs to lose about 40-50 lbs to be right in that ideal curvy category that I prefer. No stick women or obese women. Everything in between is fine by me. Just for reference I'm 6'3 - 180lbs and in very good shape and working on it every week. |
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Posted: 2/1/2018 11:40:18 AM EDT
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Just for reference I'm 6'3 - 180lbs and in very good shape and working on it every week. |
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Posted: 2/1/2018 11:45:19 AM EDT
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Sounds weak. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just for reference I'm 6'3 - 180lbs and in very good shape and working on it every week. 
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Posted: 2/1/2018 11:45:26 AM EDT
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I would believe that if you could show me either 1, the process by which hormones generate calories with no input or 2. hormones pulling calories out of the air Because unless you put it in your mouth you cant burn it or store it. 
Calories in a man, are not the same calories in a woman. Expcially so when adding in hormones like birth control, post menopause medications in woman. To even broaden the difference in calories between the two sexes, HRT and anabolics in men. Estrogen in women and Birth control multiples calories in one direction as fat. Testosterone and trenbolone divides calories into the opposite direction, burning fat and putting on muscle while in calorie maintenance. My wife has tried a few different birth controls two different times. It's the damned devil. Never again. If it works for you or your SO, great. But neither of us will recommend it to anyone. Outside of the crazy (lol, but not), my wife put on 12 lbs. That's like 11% of her bodyweight. Granted some of it was in her bra, but the fat she put on in just three week while below her calorie maintenance, doing strict paleo, and walking near 20 miles a week, was nothing short of amazing. She was storing calories as boobs, but mostly fat. She was on for a year and over three different medications, we decided (for the second time) that was it and she was done. Her weight now is under when we were married (since she un-fat herself, I guess I'll keep her). Fixing hormones in a woman, I'm convinced, is close near impossible. Docs and patients just settle on good enough, because "dialed in" doesn't happen in women. If you frequent the Big TRT thread or are a visitor of the Self Defence and Fitness forum, its no secret that my doctor put me on HRT and I have been on it for a few years now. It’s completely changed my life finally having properly balanced hormones. The mental uplift and clarity, and re-found energy that had been lost is truly amazing. Also the physical changes over the years has continued to prove the power of hormones. Fixing hormones in a man is as easy as a quick blood lab test, and then a follow up. Like falling off a log while drunk in the dark. |
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Posted: 2/1/2018 11:49:13 AM EDT
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It'll probably be a while before I have to worry about that. If she hit's the 120's she freaks out and usually is back down to 112-115 in a month's time.
Now if it ever did become a problem, she would get some pretty strong pushing from me. I'm pretty fucking solid. I'd like the two of us to perpetuate unrealistic body standards as long as possible. 
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Posted: 2/1/2018 11:49:20 AM EDT
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Just for reference I'm 6'3 - 180lbs and in very good shape and working on it every week. |
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Posted: 2/1/2018 11:51:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll answer both. With only two words. It will prove all disproving arguments invalid... Testosterone. Estrogen.
Calories in a man, are not the same calories in a woman. Expcially so when adding in hormones like birth control, post menopause medications in woman. To even broaden the difference in calories between the two sexes, HRT and anabolics in men. Estrogen in women and Birth control multiples calories in one direction as fat. Testosterone and trenbolone divides calories into the opposite direction, burning fat and putting on muscle while in calorie maintenance. My wife has tried a few different birth controls two different times. It's the damned devil. Never again. If it works for you or your SO, great. But neither of us will recommend it to anyone. Outside of the crazy (lol, but not), my wife put on 12 lbs. That's like 11% of her bodyweight. Granted some of it was in her bra, but the fat she put on in just three week while below her calorie maintenance, doing strict paleo, and walking near 20 miles a week, was nothing short of amazing. She was storing calories as boobs, but mostly fat. She was on for a year and over three different medications, we decided (for the second time) that was it and she was done. Her weight now is under when we were married (since she un-fat herself, I guess I'll keep her). Fixing hormones in a woman, I'm convinced, is close near impossible. Docs and patients just settle on good enough, because "dialed in" doesn't happen in women. If you frequent the Big TRT thread or are a visitor of the Self Defence and Fitness forum, its no secret that my doctor put me on HRT and I have been on it for a few years now. It’s completely changed my life finally having properly balanced hormones. The mental uplift and clarity, and re-found energy that had been lost is truly amazing. Also the physical changes over the years has continued to prove the power of hormones. Fixing hormones in a man is as easy as a quick blood lab test, and then a follow up. Like falling off a log while drunk in the dark. It’s your health. It’s worth it. |
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Posted: 2/1/2018 11:55:08 AM EDT
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Not everyone can OHP their bodyweight and their wife's bodyweight combined. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just for reference I'm 6'3 - 180lbs and in very good shape and working on it every week. #fatgoals |
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Posted: 2/1/2018 11:59:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Women’s hormone doctors are like men’s hormone doctors. Most think they know shit and they apply their “knowledge” on some range of values based on a broad population. Testosterone levels are often overlooked in women because that’s a man hormone. The balance between, while different than a man’s, is still important. Estrogen is handed out like candy. Doing your own research and educating yourself...and then finding a doctor that uses sound methodologies is paramount...man or woman. It’s your health. It’s worth it. But it's not that easy for a woman to self educatate and administer the proper remedy or find a doc that’s not an idiot, vs a man going through the same. |
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Posted: 2/1/2018 12:18:34 PM EDT
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I'll answer both. With only two words. It will prove all disproving arguments invalid... Testosterone. Estrogen.
Calories in a man, are not the same calories in a woman. Expcially so when adding in hormones like birth control, post menopause medications in woman. To even broaden the difference in calories between the two sexes, HRT and anabolics in men. Estrogen in women and Birth control multiples calories in one direction as fat. Testosterone and trenbolone divides calories into the opposite direction, burning fat and putting on muscle while in calorie maintenance. My wife has tried a few different birth controls two different times. It's the damned devil. Never again. If it works for you or your SO, great. But neither of us will recommend it to anyone. Outside of the crazy (lol, but not), my wife put on 12 lbs. That's like 11% of her bodyweight. Granted some of it was in her bra, but the fat she put on in just three week while below her calorie maintenance, doing strict paleo, and walking near 20 miles a week, was nothing short of amazing. She was storing calories as boobs, but mostly fat. She was on for a year and over three different medications, we decided (for the second time) that was it and she was done. Her weight now is under when we were married (since she un-fat herself, I guess I'll keep her). Fixing hormones in a woman, I'm convinced, is close near impossible. Docs and patients just settle on good enough, because "dialed in" doesn't happen in women. If you frequent the Big TRT thread or are a visitor of the Self Defence and Fitness forum, its no secret that my doctor put me on HRT and I have been on it for a few years now. It’s completely changed my life finally having properly balanced hormones. The mental uplift and clarity, and re-found energy that had been lost is truly amazing. Also the physical changes over the years has continued to prove the power of hormones. Fixing hormones in a man is as easy as a quick blood lab test, and then a follow up. Like falling off a log while drunk in the dark. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I would believe that if you could show me either 1, the process by which hormones generate calories with no input or 2. hormones pulling calories out of the air Because unless you put it in your mouth you cant burn it or store it.
Calories in a man, are not the same calories in a woman. Expcially so when adding in hormones like birth control, post menopause medications in woman. To even broaden the difference in calories between the two sexes, HRT and anabolics in men. Estrogen in women and Birth control multiples calories in one direction as fat. Testosterone and trenbolone divides calories into the opposite direction, burning fat and putting on muscle while in calorie maintenance. My wife has tried a few different birth controls two different times. It's the damned devil. Never again. If it works for you or your SO, great. But neither of us will recommend it to anyone. Outside of the crazy (lol, but not), my wife put on 12 lbs. That's like 11% of her bodyweight. Granted some of it was in her bra, but the fat she put on in just three week while below her calorie maintenance, doing strict paleo, and walking near 20 miles a week, was nothing short of amazing. She was storing calories as boobs, but mostly fat. She was on for a year and over three different medications, we decided (for the second time) that was it and she was done. Her weight now is under when we were married (since she un-fat herself, I guess I'll keep her). Fixing hormones in a woman, I'm convinced, is close near impossible. Docs and patients just settle on good enough, because "dialed in" doesn't happen in women. If you frequent the Big TRT thread or are a visitor of the Self Defence and Fitness forum, its no secret that my doctor put me on HRT and I have been on it for a few years now. It’s completely changed my life finally having properly balanced hormones. The mental uplift and clarity, and re-found energy that had been lost is truly amazing. Also the physical changes over the years has continued to prove the power of hormones. Fixing hormones in a man is as easy as a quick blood lab test, and then a follow up. Like falling off a log while drunk in the dark. Throwing out 'hormones' and "people process differently" is obfuscating. Hormones might increase or decrease your individual basal burn, but it cannot add calories that do not enter the system. |
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Posted: 2/1/2018 12:30:20 PM EDT
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If a human burns 1500 calories and only eats 1200 calories is it possible for them to gain weight? If so by what method. Throwing out 'hormones' and "people process differently" is obfuscating. Hormones might increase or decrease your individual basal burn, but it cannot add calories that do not enter the system. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I would believe that if you could show me either 1, the process by which hormones generate calories with no input or 2. hormones pulling calories out of the air Because unless you put it in your mouth you cant burn it or store it.
Calories in a man, are not the same calories in a woman. Expcially so when adding in hormones like birth control, post menopause medications in woman. To even broaden the difference in calories between the two sexes, HRT and anabolics in men. Estrogen in women and Birth control multiples calories in one direction as fat. Testosterone and trenbolone divides calories into the opposite direction, burning fat and putting on muscle while in calorie maintenance. My wife has tried a few different birth controls two different times. It's the damned devil. Never again. If it works for you or your SO, great. But neither of us will recommend it to anyone. Outside of the crazy (lol, but not), my wife put on 12 lbs. That's like 11% of her bodyweight. Granted some of it was in her bra, but the fat she put on in just three week while below her calorie maintenance, doing strict paleo, and walking near 20 miles a week, was nothing short of amazing. She was storing calories as boobs, but mostly fat. She was on for a year and over three different medications, we decided (for the second time) that was it and she was done. Her weight now is under when we were married (since she un-fat herself, I guess I'll keep her). Fixing hormones in a woman, I'm convinced, is close near impossible. Docs and patients just settle on good enough, because "dialed in" doesn't happen in women. If you frequent the Big TRT thread or are a visitor of the Self Defence and Fitness forum, its no secret that my doctor put me on HRT and I have been on it for a few years now. It’s completely changed my life finally having properly balanced hormones. The mental uplift and clarity, and re-found energy that had been lost is truly amazing. Also the physical changes over the years has continued to prove the power of hormones. Fixing hormones in a man is as easy as a quick blood lab test, and then a follow up. Like falling off a log while drunk in the dark. Throwing out 'hormones' and "people process differently" is obfuscating. Hormones might increase or decrease your individual basal burn, but it cannot add calories that do not enter the system. It is perfectly reasonable to have the discussion on why the one-size-fits-all approach doesn’t work. Especially for the populations with hormone/metabolic deficiencies. It is also wise to have the conversation regarding food choices and the availability of calories. 100 calories of sugar in which 100% of it is immediately available, causing a certain metabolic response vs 100 calories of broccoli...10% of which you never process and poop out (edit: and/or expend processing the food)...and has a different metabolic response. |
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Posted: 2/1/2018 12:35:50 PM EDT
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Which vow mentioned “until you blimp out do us part?” |
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Posted: 2/1/2018 1:01:53 PM EDT
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Unfortunately there's a lot of factors and I do not know the answer. This is my personal experience and I am under the direction of my doctor. I am prediabetic. I have been maintaining a calorie intake of about 1000 calories a day for the past 3 weeks. I eat a 55 % protein/40% fat/ 5% carb ratio. I am not in Ketosis and never have been. My doctor believes it's because my body is stressed due to too low of calories which causes my body to burn protein as glucose. My blood sugar level is fasting 125 and 225 an hour after eating (averages.) Having stated that, what I don't understand is why so many women fight the uphill battle of trying to deal with it without addressing the underlying cause, a severely diminished level of sex hormones. HRT for women works, it helps a woman retain some semblance of her figure. It helps her retain her libido. It staves off most of the insanity that women go through from Menopause. I just don't get why more women don't utilize it to preserve their health, looks, and quality of life as long as possible. Good luck, peace... |
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Posted: 2/1/2018 1:10:13 PM EDT
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People really don't understand the metabolic and hormonal changes that happens to women with Menopause until they've experienced it or gone through it with someone they love. Dig around on the internet a bit and you'll find story after story of women who are athletes, PT's, etc who start going through Menopause and find themselves battling gaining a pot belly unsuccessfully. There's a reason that people have coined the term "Menopot". For some sick, cruel reason once the female body stops making sufficient quantities of Estrogen\Test\Progresterone it signals the body to stop storing fat in the boobs and butt and start storing it in the stomach. Also massively affects metabolic rate, and drops maintenance calories to some absurdly low number. Having stated that, what I don't understand is why so many women fight the uphill battle of trying to deal with it without addressing the underlying cause, a severely diminished level of sex hormones. HRT for women works, it helps a woman retain some semblance of her figure. It helps her retain her libido. It staves off most of the insanity that women go through from Menopause. I just don't get why more women don't utilize it to preserve their health, looks, and quality of life as long as possible. Good luck, peace... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Unfortunately there's a lot of factors and I do not know the answer. This is my personal experience and I am under the direction of my doctor. I am prediabetic. I have been maintaining a calorie intake of about 1000 calories a day for the past 3 weeks. I eat a 55 % protein/40% fat/ 5% carb ratio. I am not in Ketosis and never have been. My doctor believes it's because my body is stressed due to too low of calories which causes my body to burn protein as glucose. My blood sugar level is fasting 125 and 225 an hour after eating (averages.) Having stated that, what I don't understand is why so many women fight the uphill battle of trying to deal with it without addressing the underlying cause, a severely diminished level of sex hormones. HRT for women works, it helps a woman retain some semblance of her figure. It helps her retain her libido. It staves off most of the insanity that women go through from Menopause. I just don't get why more women don't utilize it to preserve their health, looks, and quality of life as long as possible. Good luck, peace... |
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Posted: 2/1/2018 2:31:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: While you are correct, you are grossly oversimplifying. And by oversimplifying I mean that people have been told one thing for their entire existence so it’s hard to unlearn the stupid. It is perfectly reasonable to have the discussion on why the one-size-fits-all approach doesn’t work. Especially for the populations with hormone/metabolic deficiencies. It is also wise to have the conversation regarding food choices and the availability of calories. 100 calories of sugar in which 100% of it is immediately available, causing a certain metabolic response vs 100 calories of broccoli...10% of which you never process and poop out (edit: and/or expend processing the food)...and has a different metabolic response. BUT if you eat 1000kcal of sugar you will still lose weight if you are burning 1500. Same with 1000kcal of broccoli. |
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Posted: 2/1/2018 2:31:52 PM EDT
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Quoted: Hormones trump calories every time. 1, the process by which hormones generate calories with no input or 2. hormones pulling calories out of the air Because unless you put it in your mouth you cant burn it or store it. Take a ball of mozzerella cheese. Someone used to eating 4k calories a day in pasta, rice, packaged foods can eat that whole ball and still be hungry. If you're in keto, you're probably gonna have a couple slices with your deli meat, maybe a few sticks of celery and call it good. Try eating that whole ball in one go is tough because the brain recognizes you've had enough. I forget which part regulates appetite, but for some people the thing just isn't calibrated after a lifetime of gorging. Especially if they led an active lifestyle where they burn alot of calories. Personally, I shifted to a desk job about a year ago and had to cut back on what I ate about 30%. It fucking sucked but I've done it for maintenance. No way am in gonna spend an hour each night on a bike/treadmill to burn off the excess. In vs out people. You tolerate how hungry you get based on the macro make up which impacts hormonal balance. |
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Posted: 2/1/2018 2:32:30 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/1/2018 2:41:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was referring to DeNile's sisters issues with weight gain. Just because you switch someone over to a healthier macro blend, they're still consuming the same QUANTITY of food, but the nutritional density increases, they're going to fatten. Take a ball of mozzerella cheese. Someone used to eating 4k calories a day in pasta, rice, packaged foods can eat that whole ball and still be hungry. If you're in keto, you're probably gonna have a couple slices with your deli meat, maybe a few sticks of celery and call it good. Try eating that whole ball in one go is tough because the brain recognizes you've had enough. I forget which part regulates appetite, but for some people the thing just isn't calibrated after a lifetime of gorging. Especially if they led an active lifestyle where they burn alot of calories. Personally, I shifted to a desk job about a year ago and had to cut back on what I ate about 30%. It fucking sucked but I've done it for maintenance. No way am in gonna spend an hour each night on a bike/treadmill to burn off the excess. In vs out people. You tolerate how hungry you get based on the macro make up which impacts hormonal balance. For the first 40 years or so she followed the *healthy* low fat, plenty of whole grains, mostly vegetarian way of eating and ate like a bird. I'm convinced that's what set her on the road to the crazy hormonal dysfunction in addition to early menopause. When she started gaining weight in her early 40s she switched to a more paleo/keto way of eating which naturally takes care of portion control through satiety anyway. The weight gain slowed but she could not lose what she'd already gained until the hormones were in check. Her doctor told her to keep on with the way she was eating as it contributes to optimum hormone levels as well. For a year she kept doing what she was doing and hoped they'd get the hormones figured out soon. They finally did and she lost 10 pounds in 2 months with no dietary changes. |
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Posted: 2/1/2018 2:51:44 PM EDT
[#33]
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Correct but not the point. Your position only matters when someone is eating a surplus of calories. Sure if you burn 1500 you will prob gain weight on 1600kcal of pure sugar and prob still lose on 1600 kcal of broccoli. BUT if you eat 1000kcal of sugar you will still lose weight if you are burning 1500. Same with 1000kcal of broccoli. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: While you are correct, you are grossly oversimplifying. And by oversimplifying I mean that people have been told one thing for their entire existence so it’s hard to unlearn the stupid. It is perfectly reasonable to have the discussion on why the one-size-fits-all approach doesn’t work. Especially for the populations with hormone/metabolic deficiencies. It is also wise to have the conversation regarding food choices and the availability of calories. 100 calories of sugar in which 100% of it is immediately available, causing a certain metabolic response vs 100 calories of broccoli...10% of which you never process and poop out (edit: and/or expend processing the food)...and has a different metabolic response. BUT if you eat 1000kcal of sugar you will still lose weight if you are burning 1500. Same with 1000kcal of broccoli. |
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Posted: 2/1/2018 2:54:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, the weight gain was happening REGARDLESS of diet/calories/portion, etc. Which is why she finally started losing when her hormones got back into the normal range. For the first 40 years or so she followed the *healthy* low fat, plenty of whole grains, mostly vegetarian way of eating and ate like a bird. I'm convinced that's what set her on the road to the crazy hormonal dysfunction in addition to early menopause. When she started gaining weight in her early 40s she switched to a more paleo/keto way of eating which naturally takes care of portion control through satiety anyway. The weight gain slowed but she could not lose what she'd already gained until the hormones were in check. Her doctor told her to keep on with the way she was eating as it contributes to optimum hormone levels as well. For a year she kept doing what she was doing and hoped they'd get the hormones figured out soon. They finally did and she lost 10 pounds in 2 months with no dietary changes. 
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Posted: 2/1/2018 2:56:59 PM EDT
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Voted weak cause of the vagina factor. In the past I always joked "if you got as fat as your mother I would leave you." and in turn she would joke joke if you "got as stupid as my father I would leave you". Now that she is facing cancer I honestly would have let her get as fat as she would have ever wanted. MAGA shit right. |
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Posted: 2/1/2018 3:11:00 PM EDT
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Until fat do us part... Fucking millennials. |
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Posted: 2/1/2018 3:14:26 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No, the weight gain was happening REGARDLESS of diet/calories/portion, etc. Which is why she finally started losing when her hormones got back into the normal range. For the first 40 years or so she followed the *healthy* low fat, plenty of whole grains, mostly vegetarian way of eating and ate like a bird. I'm convinced that's what set her on the road to the crazy hormonal dysfunction in addition to early menopause. When she started gaining weight in her early 40s she switched to a more paleo/keto way of eating which naturally takes care of portion control through satiety anyway. The weight gain slowed but she could not lose what she'd already gained until the hormones were in check. Her doctor told her to keep on with the way she was eating as it contributes to optimum hormone levels as well. For a year she kept doing what she was doing and hoped they'd get the hormones figured out soon. They finally did and she lost 10 pounds in 2 months with no dietary changes. I understand hormones can influence how calories are absorbed, so maybe what everyone is really alluding to is that some people have more efficient metabolisms and will get more out of each bite at different points in their lives. |
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Posted: 2/1/2018 3:23:00 PM EDT
[#38]
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Posted: 2/1/2018 3:29:38 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Were you actually measuring the weights of each portion and looked for her stash of emergency snacks? Everyone has them... alcohol intake also can completely derail things. Sneak a glass or two of wine and don't log it on My Fitness Pal? My wife and I call each other out on that shit. I understand hormones can influence how calories are absorbed, so maybe what everyone is really alluding to is that some people have more efficient metabolisms and will get more out of each bite at different points in their lives. As for metabolisms, absolutely. When I was younger I ate like complete crap and never gained weight. Then over a period of 6 months I got a sedentary job, got pregnant and quit smoking. I packed it on. For 10 years I did the usual----Weight Watchers, Nutrisystem, low fat, low calorie, whole grains, turkey and chicken everything, etc. All the *right* things. Could not lose weight. Kept bouncing back and forth between the same 5 pounds or so and thought I was destined to either be miserable and starving or fat or WORSE......what seemed to be happening......miserable, starving AND fat!! Finally learned just how bad that type of dieting is for you and started loading up on the *bad* stuff that was now supposedly good-----fats, red meat, etc. Dumped grains, most carbs, most sugar and it just started melting off. Completely effortless on my part. I fully believe most people are telling the truth when they say they're sticking to their traditional (low fat/low cal, etc) diet and it just isn't working. Been there, done that. You think you're doing all the right things, the things everyone says you should be doing and there's no way you won't lose weight. Just burn more calories than you take in and you HAVE to lose weight. And when you don't, they tell you you must be cheating, eating more than you think, you're lying, etc. It's just a matter of having the right information. It's out there but most people dismiss it because if flies in the face of what we've always known and they just can't believe it. So they keep doing the same things and failing. Sad. |
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Posted: 2/1/2018 3:39:42 PM EDT
[#40]
Wow, WTF, man you must really be a catch Brad, or is it Tom?
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Posted: 2/1/2018 3:40:37 PM EDT
[#41]
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People really don't understand the metabolic and hormonal changes that happens to women with Menopause until they've experienced it or gone through it with someone they love. Dig around on the internet a bit and you'll find story after story of women who are athletes, PT's, etc who start going through Menopause and find themselves battling gaining a pot belly unsuccessfully. There's a reason that people have coined the term "Menopot". For some sick, cruel reason once the female body stops making sufficient quantities of Estrogen\Test\Progresterone it signals the body to stop storing fat in the boobs and butt and start storing it in the stomach. Also massively affects metabolic rate, and drops maintenance calories to some absurdly low number. Having stated that, what I don't understand is why so many women fight the uphill battle of trying to deal with it without addressing the underlying cause, a severely diminished level of sex hormones. HRT for women works, it helps a woman retain some semblance of her figure. It helps her retain her libido. It staves off most of the insanity that women go through from Menopause. I just don't get why more women don't utilize it to preserve their health, looks, and quality of life as long as possible. Good luck, peace... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Unfortunately there's a lot of factors and I do not know the answer. This is my personal experience and I am under the direction of my doctor. I am prediabetic. I have been maintaining a calorie intake of about 1000 calories a day for the past 3 weeks. I eat a 55 % protein/40% fat/ 5% carb ratio. I am not in Ketosis and never have been. My doctor believes it's because my body is stressed due to too low of calories which causes my body to burn protein as glucose. My blood sugar level is fasting 125 and 225 an hour after eating (averages.) Having stated that, what I don't understand is why so many women fight the uphill battle of trying to deal with it without addressing the underlying cause, a severely diminished level of sex hormones. HRT for women works, it helps a woman retain some semblance of her figure. It helps her retain her libido. It staves off most of the insanity that women go through from Menopause. I just don't get why more women don't utilize it to preserve their health, looks, and quality of life as long as possible. Good luck, peace... But to keep on track with the original thought of this thread most women do not work at this as hard as I do. But it is very very hard. I can't look at myself in the mirror without feeling dejected-I can't imagine what it would be like if my husband added insult to injury by telling me he was thinking of kicking me to the curb. I naturally assume he doesn't find me attractive and I can almost guarantee that the negative self talk in your wife's head is way worse than you have ever thought. |
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Posted: 2/1/2018 3:46:00 PM EDT
[#42]
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Thank you, I have been to an Gyn and endocrinologist and was told my hormone levels were within healthy limits for my age (there is a huge ass Difference from high normal and low normal and I'm low normal). I was also told my thyroid was fine. I had Hair falling out in clumps since turning 48 (I have bald spots now) and then the arthritis came. It go so I couldn't walk or use my hands. Two weeks after being put on thyroid supplements I finally felt well (though it's a roller coaster). I'm currently off all arthritis meds and am using natural thyroid, estrogen, progesterone and testosterone but it's slow go. My ideal weight is 160. I typically eat between 1100-1600 calories a day. I'm fighting with the keeping my calories up, controlling blood sugar levels and keeping my protein level down (50% would be nice) but I'm not there. I haven't been in Ketosis yet and I've plateaued weight wise which is frustrating. But to keep on track with the original thought of this thread most women do not work at this as hard as I do. But it is very very hard. I can't look at myself in the mirror without feeling dejected-I can't imagine what it would be like if my husband added insult to injury by telling me he was thinking of kicking me to the curb. I naturally assume he doesn't find me attractive and I can almost guarantee that the negative self talk in your wife's head is way worse than you have ever thought. |
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Posted: 2/1/2018 3:48:56 PM EDT
[#43]
She was "Curvy" before the kids. She got down to her pre-kids weight within 6 months.
I like it the way she is now. Some cushin' for the pushin'. |
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Posted: 2/1/2018 3:55:56 PM EDT
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Because it massively increases the risk of cancer. Women's bodies are only meant to tolerate elevated levels of those hormones for a finite period of time, and trying to extend that can cause serious problems in other areas. Plus, I mean, let's be real here. We aren't talking about something that's affecting the early part of someone's life here. I'd personally take 60-70 kickass years on this rock than like 40 good ones and 40-50 progressively more shitty ones. |
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Posted: 2/1/2018 3:56:27 PM EDT
[#45]
My position is that if a spouse just gives up on taking care of himself or herself, starts eating a junk diet, not exercising and packs on tons of weight the relationship is in peril
If you don't love yourself how can you expect another to love you? This may sound shallow to some of you but taking care of yourself is respect for your spouse Along with the extra weight comes health issues that could be avoided. These same health issues may deplete your savings but they could also take your life My wife has had three kids and at her worst she was topping 200 pounds and she's only 5 foot 4. She exercised through all 3 pregnancies and dropped the weight once the kids were born. Now she hovers around 140 |
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Posted: 2/1/2018 4:09:11 PM EDT
[#46]
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I'm currently off all arthritis meds and am using natural thyroid, estrogen, progesterone and testosterone but it's slow go. My ideal weight is 160. I typically eat between 1100-1600 calories a day. I'm fighting with the keeping my calories up, controlling blood sugar levels and keeping my protein level down (50% would be nice) but I'm not there. I haven't been in Ketosis yet and I've plateaued weight wise which is frustrating. There are also a few safe...(ish) tricks you can use to break through a plateau on weight loss. And on the actual main topic of this thread I've been through that too, only it was in my 20's. She was like 5'9" 115lbs when I married her, she got to like 250 at her largest (in her 20's). There were no medical issues of any sort, she just immediately stopped taking care of herself and also became all horrible and mean and BPDish. That was pretty much a nightmare and I'm still not 100% right in the head from it. |
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Posted: 2/1/2018 4:14:35 PM EDT
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Why is adultery the lynch pin that makes your marriage disposable? I thought righteous Christians "hate the sin, not the sinner". Why are the other 9 Commandments not grounds for divorce? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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She can get the size the Hindenburg and I'm not "kicking her to the curb". Will I still be sexually attracted to her? No, probably not. Did I still make a promise to her and to God? Yes, and unless she commits adultery, I'm sticking around. That doesn't apply to you if you're not Christian but if marriage is so disposable, why do it in the first place? |
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Posted: 2/1/2018 4:16:03 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sounds weak.
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Posted: 2/1/2018 4:16:40 PM EDT
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A lot of the studies on that were pretty BS and old. The current "bio-identical" (which I agree is a BS term) pellets they give women are pretty safe. Plus, I mean, let's be real here. We aren't talking about something that's affecting the early part of someone's life here. I'd personally take 60-70 kickass years on this rock than like 40 good ones and 40-50 progressively more shitty ones. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Because it massively increases the risk of cancer. Women's bodies are only meant to tolerate elevated levels of those hormones for a finite period of time, and trying to extend that can cause serious problems in other areas. Plus, I mean, let's be real here. We aren't talking about something that's affecting the early part of someone's life here. I'd personally take 60-70 kickass years on this rock than like 40 good ones and 40-50 progressively more shitty ones. |
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Posted: 2/1/2018 4:20:07 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Women’s hormone doctors are like men’s hormone doctors. Most think they know shit and they apply their “knowledge” on some range of values based on a broad population. Testosterone levels are often overlooked in women because that’s a man hormone. The balance between, while different than a man’s, is still important. Estrogen is handed out like candy. Doing your own research and educating yourself...and then finding a doctor that uses sound methodologies is paramount...man or woman. It’s your health. It’s worth it.
Women respond very well to testosterone treatment that gets them in the right balance of E vs Test. |
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