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As I have gotten older and seen just how corrupt the worlds politicians are and how much they benefit from war, my son will not be going to fight for them.  

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These threads went very differently 19-20 years ago.

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There's this guy that wrote a book about his city a long time ago. Went by Livy I believe. While the beginning of his tale is far beyond his time and perhaps bordering on mythical, as the times he is relaying get closer to his own you get a pretty accurate picture of what was going on in the world he was describing.

I found it very interesting. For centuries various cities would march their young men out to war against the neighboring town. Year after year. In between planting and harvesting of course. Little towns. Like 10-20k and their kids were forming up and going at it all the time. When one side or another got crushed badly enough the victor would approach the walls and attempt to storm or siege (although pay was pillage, so sieges weren't like later with paid soldiers) to take the town or not. The male population or a huge portion of it would be involved in the direct defense of the city. You may laugh and say 'well of course, the fricken barbarians are literally at the gates' but you will find that is the point of my monologue...as it changes.

Cities fight year after year, century after century until one city, as always, beats up its neighbors and now has a block of power. In this book it turns out this guy is wringing about the little local city that came out on top as the big dog.

Next you had all the cities pretty much in one regional block or the other of which there were many. Many different peoples, languages and cultures. So of course, more war. It's what we do. Another century. Cities are besieged now. There's pay involved and armies are able to be kept in the field year round. The fights for the cities are brutal. Once again the male population (or a huge percentage) is directly involved. When i say directly involved I mean whatever armor and shield you can scrounge up and a spear. And they did it. All of them.

Now we have what we would consider country sized political units forming. Keep in mind this is all from this old guy writing from the perspective of that first little city he had started his tale with. Turns out that cities little power block came out on top and now is controlling a big chunk of land. It's doing so in a Republican manner with no king (although admittedly a strong aristocracy). With a draft. Against other folks that were fighting as a people.

Now that its a big boy it meets the other BIG boys and then...you know...wars.

That little city comes through victorious and before you know it those citizen soldiers, run under a republican system of government conquered or crushed in the field the civilized world. Ironically enough the writer is writing at a time when a king has taken over and the conquests are basically over. Probably for the best due to the, you guessed it, massive corruption that arrived with the wealth and power of victory. While that city was at the height of it's glory at the time the old dude wrote it was already over for it's citizens. They were no longer required to bear arms, chose not to and finally were incapable of doing so due to such a soft life.

It went from every male in the city fighting to cities surrendering immediately if there wasn't a strong garrison. Those people are gone. Their language is dead. When the ability and willingness of the average male to take up arms was gone the days of the people are numbered. The writer was Titus Livy and the city of course was Rome. Keep the fire in your heart. Pass it to your sons and keep our people alive forever. It is your responsibility.

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Don't forget Hawaii, Cuba, and the Dominican Republic. Who wants to die so Dole can sell pineapples or Hearst can sell newspapers?

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I agree about fighting for our country.


That's not what this thread is about.
Why should we go and die fighting for countries when we can't even spend money and time here?

American first, the rest can fuck off.

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And third you chose a side and fight.

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Hey clarinath..... isnt it great the way these free spirit keyboard warriors call you a fool for doing what you said you would do when you signed up?
Thank you for serving. My respect to your family as well.

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I’ve already fought my war.

My step son is in the Air Force, my daughter is currently in Navy boot camp, and my other step son is joining the Army when he gets old enough.

If you aren’t a leech, you serve.  Give back to the country that gives you what you have.

Or hide under a stairwell and let others fight for you.

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As I have gotten older and seen just how corrupt the worlds politicians are and how much they benefit from war, my son will not be going to fight for them.  

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Some of these responses are laughable.

Yeah lets pull out of all of our bases and return home where China and Russia will dominate 100% of Europe, Asia, and Africa. End the petro dollar and destroy our currency with the added bonus allowing them to control 100% of the precious minerals currently being mined that we need to make cars and all consumer, military, and aeronautical electronics.

Good Lord with the fairy tale world some live in

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Some of these responses are laughable.

Yeah lets pull out of all of our bases and return home where China and Russia will dominate 100% of Europe, Asia, and Africa. End the petro dollar and destroy our currency with the added bonus allowing them to control 100% of the precious minerals currently being mined that we need to make cars and all consumer, military, and aeronautical electronics.

Good Lord with the fairy tale world some live in

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I'm too old to fight.
In any case, our government has left our southern border wide open and vulnerable to attack.
It's really tough to take them seriously about protecting American interests at this point.

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Heroes. No more foreign wars or entanglements.

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The two boys are currently in thank you.

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It’s a little different when aggressors are crashing planes into your buildings.  The GWOT had a legitimate start.  Unfortunately, it derailed quickly.

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It’s a little different when aggressors are crashing planes into your buildings.  The GWOT had a legitimate start.  Unfortunately, it derailed quickly.

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I spent 32 years under the colors of this country.  Almost every fight we got in, in that time was probably a bad call on the part of our national command authority.   However, guys like me fight, because that is what we joined to do.

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Shows just how fucked up has the world has become.  ARFCOM stands united with with Code Pink  


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As I have gotten older and seen just how corrupt the worlds politicians are and how much they benefit from war, my son will not be going to fight for them.  

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These threads went very differently 19-20 years ago.

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As I have gotten older and seen just how corrupt the worlds politicians are and how much they benefit from war, my son will not be going to fight for them.  

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It’s a little different when aggressors are crashing planes into your buildings.  The GWOT had a legitimate start.  Unfortunately, it derailed quickly.

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Someone will come along and try to rationalize that by saying:

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The Founders warned us about foreign entanglements.... withdraw all US troops and equipment back to within our borders.

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Cowards and traitors.

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My perspective having seen my fair share of combat time over the past 30 years.

I'm all for a voluntary force staying voluntary.  If our good, honest, trustworthy, and selfless leaders send us to fight, I would fight for my troops or support those doing more kinetic things.  

The draft sucks; the concept is great; however, we have too many exceptions and those you get are worthless if from the elitist class.  I would rather recruit from the southern border crossing and give the majority of life-sentenced criminals a chance to earn/redeem their citizenship by serving on the front lines than drafting cock-sucking, pussy-hat wearing, Antifa/BLM, Marxist, fucking democrat, liberal, progressive, protesting, SJW, culture-cancelling, environmental-terrorist, low IQ fucktards.

My son chose to serve and is a young Infantry 2LT; I would rather he have Soldiers he want to be there rather than shit-stains who don't.

I will agree with the vast majority that foreign wars are really hard to justify or should be.  I think every fucking sitting congress-fucker can only vote for a foreign war if they have an eligible family member currently serving or meets draft requirements and forced to serve.  Put their fucking family blood on the line and see how many get a hard-on for war. Our representatives who are "Warhawks" are nothing more than vultures and shit-birds.

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