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Posted: 6/29/2018 12:42:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: While that would be fucking awesome it would probably be short lived. Too many people too stupid to secure them when theyre not around and add in a million ghetto grandmas doing straw purchases. How about no pre 86 post 86 bullshit and streamline the process. |
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Posted: 6/29/2018 12:43:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Contradicting philosophies shouldn't join forces. Roe is contrary to the pursuit of life and liberty, while the 2A protects life and liberty. |
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Posted: 6/29/2018 12:43:07 AM EDT
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I cant see the NFA vanishing ever, what I would prefer is the doing away with the BS though. The $200 tax stamp, i could deal with. The forms, the fingerprints, the CLEO notification, at this point I feel like im a fucking felon. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: While that would be fucking awesome it would probably be short lived. Too many people too stupid to secure them when theyre not around and add in a million ghetto grandmas doing straw purchases. How about no pre 86 post 86 bullshit and streamline the process. |
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Posted: 6/29/2018 12:45:20 AM EDT
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You are to them. If not already, then eventually. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: While that would be fucking awesome it would probably be short lived. Too many people too stupid to secure them when theyre not around and add in a million ghetto grandmas doing straw purchases. How about no pre 86 post 86 bullshit and streamline the process. |
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Posted: 6/29/2018 12:51:38 AM EDT
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Contradicting philosophies shouldn't join forces. Roe is contrary to the pursuit of life and liberty, while the 2A protects life and liberty. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If only Roe V. Wade and 2nd Amendment supporters joined forces. Seems like it would be a fairly large group, maybe a huge majority. But alas. Its irreconcilable. |
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Posted: 6/29/2018 12:54:36 AM EDT
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You are going to have to convince me that killing unwanted children is not only moral, but constitutionally protected. And.............................go. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Y'think? Sadly, many supporters of one will never recognize the validity of the other's opinion. And.............................go. |
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Posted: 6/29/2018 12:57:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You own yourself. If you don't own yourself, there's no real basis for private property rights. This argument of course ignores morality. But legally, Rothbard argued a fetus is akin to a parasite or a non paying tenant, and can be evicted at the owner's discretion. |
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Posted: 6/29/2018 12:57:37 AM EDT
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If only Roe V. Wade and 2nd Amendment supporters joined forces. Seems like it would be a fairly large group, maybe a huge majority. But alas. Roe v Wade supporters are morons who hate the Constitution. |
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Posted: 6/29/2018 12:59:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Again, I'm pro life. But I'm just arguing this issue for sake of devil's advocate. From a private property argument, you enter an agreement with the landlord. As savage as it may seem, (legally and philosophically speaking) an unborn child is offering nothing while taking resources. The unborn child is killed due to a decision to no longer provide those nutrients, and physical burdens for free. I do not advocate that position. But the counter argument might be interpreted as a requirement for people to provide for others they do not wish to care for. 
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Posted: 6/29/2018 1:02:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because the right of the people to keep and bear arms and the right of women to murder inconvenient and unwanted children are really the same thing. |
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Posted: 6/29/2018 1:04:08 AM EDT
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While a long shot, this coming up Supreme Court could be the LAST chance for NFA challenges.
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Posted: 6/29/2018 1:06:08 AM EDT
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This, as morally repugnant as I feel it is, I cant think of anything more dangerous to our idea of freedom than making a woman carry a child to term and birth it if she does not want to........Freedom, can be ugly, that is one inescapable fact. |
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Posted: 6/29/2018 1:08:28 AM EDT
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This, as morally repugnant as I feel it is, I cant think of anything more dangerous to our idea of freedom than making a woman carry a child to term and birth it if she does not want to........Freedom, can be ugly, that is one inescapable fact. Roe v Wade isn't rooted in rule of law. It isn't derived from the Constitution. It is made up crap that starts with the desired conclusion, and works backwards . . . None of what I'm saying has anything to do with abortions, BTW. The simple fact is that nothing in the Constitution protects abortions. It is an issue that should be properly left to the states, and if you want to impose it (protect abortions) at the federal level, add it via an amendment. Your argument, as such, is feeeeels, and contrary to rule of law, and hence liberty. |
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Posted: 6/29/2018 1:09:30 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/29/2018 1:15:46 AM EDT
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Their bodies, their choice. I'm alright with morons not breeding.
Just don't expect me to pay for an abortion especially at the end of a gun when contraceptives are practically free. Unless you got raped and are now pregnant, it's all on you and loverboy to deal with it. There are PLENTY of privately funded organizations who will be happy to kill their kid. |
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Posted: 6/29/2018 1:22:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Again, I'm pro life. But I'm just arguing this issue for sake of devil's advocate. From a private property argument, you enter an agreement with the landlord. As savage as it may seem, (legally and philosophically speaking) an unborn child is offering nothing while taking resources. The unborn child is killed due to a decision to no longer provide those nutrients, and physical burdens for free. I do not advocate that position. But the counter argument might be interpreted as a requirement for people to provide for others they do not wish to care for. A landlord can't demand the renter leave right now or die. He has to allow the renter to exit alive. In the case of an unborn child that means allowing birth, then the mother can put the child up for adoption. You can't even kill trespassers. You can kill intruders in the home, but that on the assumption they are dangerous. If a home intruder proves to not be dangerous you can't kill him, either. |
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Posted: 6/29/2018 1:24:07 AM EDT
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BHO pushed the US pretty far to the left, now they are just left of center.
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Posted: 6/29/2018 1:28:29 AM EDT
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hell, I think old white men should not be that interested in vaginas that dont belong to their wife, I am a man and will never have to carry a child so I think I should stay out of the argument. Now I also don't care for abortion, I wont have one, and sure don't want my tax dollars spent on it. But at this point, if it makes the libs cry,I am kinda OK with it The is a rational tradition the West must uphold. |
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Posted: 6/29/2018 1:34:06 AM EDT
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You own yourself. If you don't own yourself, there's no real basis for private property rights. This argument of course ignores morality. But legally, Rothbard argued a fetus is akin to a parasite or a non paying tenant, and can be evicted at the owner's discretion. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: You are going to have to convince me that killing unwanted children is not only moral, but constitutionally protected. And.............................go. Private property rights. If you don't own yourself, there's no real basis for private property rights. This argument of course ignores morality. But legally, Rothbard argued a fetus is akin to a parasite or a non paying tenant, and can be evicted at the owner's discretion. |
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Posted: 6/29/2018 1:37:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I cant see the NFA vanishing ever, what I would prefer is the doing away with the BS though. The $200 tax stamp, i could deal with. The forms, the fingerprints, the CLEO notification, at this point I feel like im a fucking felon. All it would take are a one or two more constitutional judges, and the right case to challenge it. The NFA is a fucking poll tax. It needs to be abolished. |
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Posted: 6/29/2018 1:38:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lots of people said gay marriage would never happen. All it would take are a one or two more constitutional judges, and the right case to challenge it. The NFA is a fucking poll tax. It needs to be abolished. |
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Posted: 6/29/2018 1:42:01 AM EDT
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About damn time!
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Posted: 6/29/2018 1:46:29 AM EDT
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The sooner the libs and conservatives come to terms that they live in a country where most people want their guns and abortions, the sooner they’ll just....deal with it, I guess.
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Posted: 6/29/2018 3:09:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you know why NFA is a tax? |
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Posted: 6/29/2018 4:16:23 AM EDT
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Better tell them to go get all of the abortions they can while they're legal. We aren't going to ban abortion. We're just going to pass some common sense abortion control measures. Nobody wants to ban or confiscate abortion. Afterall... it's for the children. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Contradicting philosophies shouldn't join forces. Roe is contrary to the pursuit of life and liberty, while the 2A protects life and liberty. We aren't going to ban abortion. We're just going to pass some common sense abortion control measures. Nobody wants to ban or confiscate abortion. Afterall... it's for the children. |
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Posted: 6/29/2018 4:22:21 AM EDT
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I don't see a solid 5-4 court flipping roe. Some state outlawed abortion again I assume they'll lose at the trial or appellate level and SC will pass. Only really matters in fly over states and they're effectively outlawing abortion with fake "women's safety regulations" anyway,
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Posted: 6/29/2018 4:37:08 AM EDT
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I don't see a solid 5-4 court flipping roe. Some state outlawed abortion again I assume they'll lose at the trial or appellate level and SC will pass. Only really matters in fly over states and they're effectively outlawing abortion with fake "women's safety regulations" anyway, |
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Posted: 6/29/2018 4:40:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As rational creatures who can reason, there is no good reason for men to stay out of this argument. And consistent with that I think I can judge behavior in battle even if I wasn't there. The is a rational tradition the West must uphold. |
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Posted: 6/29/2018 4:50:11 AM EDT
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Your Honorable Justice Thomas, just wait a few more months, in the mean time please just arrainge the cases you would like to hear. Please start with the stack from the bastard state of Kamifornia, they need to be slapped around a bit.
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Posted: 6/29/2018 4:50:20 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/29/2018 4:50:41 AM EDT
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The sooner the libs and conservatives come to terms that they live in a country where most people want their guns and abortions, the sooner they’ll just....deal with it, I guess. A politician who came out and said "Guns, Weed, Abortions, and Gay Marriages for everyone who wants one" would win in a landslide. |
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Posted: 6/29/2018 5:00:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This. A politician who came out and said "Guns, Weed, Abortions, and Gay Marriages for everyone who wants one" would win in a landslide. I wish they would, but it just doesn't work that way, it's way too much freedom for the election buyers to tolerate 
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Posted: 6/29/2018 5:09:54 AM EDT
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To discourage, and restrict the ownership of certain types of firearms. Yes. I know why the NFA exists. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Do you know why NFA is a tax? Because the Courts of the day would have shot down straight-up gun control in a heartbeat, but passing a tax on the interstate transfer of such (and making it illegal to transport one interstate without proof of paying the excise tax) would be easier to get past the judiciary. |
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Posted: 6/29/2018 5:35:17 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/29/2018 5:37:04 AM EDT
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From god's dick to their ass. |
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Posted: 6/29/2018 5:37:46 AM EDT
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Words cannot describe my love for Clarence Thomas
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Posted: 6/29/2018 7:11:02 AM EDT
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Disagree. That's pretty much the libertarian ticket and they don't win anything. I wish they would, but it just doesn't work that way, it's way too much freedom for the election buyers to tolerate Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: This. A politician who came out and said "Guns, Weed, Abortions, and Gay Marriages for everyone who wants one" would win in a landslide. I wish they would, but it just doesn't work that way, it's way too much freedom for the election buyers to tolerate That's a bit too much of good thing for the average voter. But - "gun's, weed, abortions, and gays" platform for individuals + a basic moderate, centrist platform for domestic and foreign policy = would win in a landslide. |
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Posted: 6/29/2018 7:35:55 AM EDT
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Quoted: Do you invite a destitute person into your home, then kill them when you realize they're consuming more than you can provide? Quoted: That's true. But by that same argument, you can morally kill your six-year-old daughter, too. She does nothing but consume resources. You can tell a destitute or your six year old (respective arguments) to leave. Alternatively, you could stop feeding either one, or give the kid up for foster parents. There's options beyond death for people outside the womb. Even a one day old can be abandoned and live off formula or another person in society. A fetus in utero does not have those options. |
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Posted: 6/29/2018 7:42:52 AM EDT
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This, as morally repugnant as I feel it is, I cant think of anything more dangerous to our idea of freedom than making a woman carry a child to term and birth it if she does not want to........Freedom, can be ugly, that is one inescapable fact. Both in the dissection of the overbearing nature of the state and the dark side of absolute freedom. 
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Posted: 6/29/2018 7:51:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You are going to have to convince me that killing unwanted children is not only moral, but constitutionally protected. And.............................go. |
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Posted: 6/29/2018 7:55:59 AM EDT
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He has more faith in losing gun control than I do. The same as the Dem's are saying good bye Roe V Wade and others. I look any day now for the Dems to say "There goes Brown V Board of Education". |
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Posted: 6/29/2018 8:11:45 AM EDT
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Well, your first critical error is thinking zygotes are children... Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: You are going to have to convince me that killing unwanted children is not only moral, but constitutionally protected. And.............................go. |
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Posted: 6/29/2018 8:13:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This has nothing to do with Roe v Wade. Nevertheless I'll consider the argument. A landlord can't demand the renter leave right now or die. He has to allow the renter to exit alive. In the case of an unborn child that means allowing birth, then the mother can put the child up for adoption. You can't even kill trespassers. You can kill intruders in the home, but that on the assumption they are dangerous. If a home intruder proves to not be dangerous you can't kill him, either. A landlord doesn't need to kill an occupant for them to leave. You can't transfer fetus ownership at this point in medical technology. |
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Posted: 6/29/2018 8:18:07 AM EDT
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Abortions should be left to each state; neither opinion should be forced on everyone |
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Posted: 7/1/2018 11:45:16 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/2/2018 12:01:59 AM EDT
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I'm not tired of winning
I'm really getting worried about the winning. I've had a freedom boner for more than 24 hours now and it's not going down!  
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Posted: 7/2/2018 12:05:09 AM EDT
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I'm not tired of winning I'm really getting worried about the winning. I've had a freedom boner for more than 24 hours now and it's not going down! 
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