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They're still looking. Japan plans to develop strong radar to find WWII remains on Iwo Jima CAMP FOSTER, Okinawa — Japan plans to develop a powerful ground-penetrating radar to help find World War II remains on Iwo To, the iconic island known to Americans as Iwo Jima. The radar’s specifics are unknown, because its development has not yet gone out to bid; however, officials hope it will be able to penetrate deeper than existing systems that can find objects with a diameter of about an inch as deep as 13 feet, or a 20-inch cavity as deep as 33 feet. Nearly $11.9 million has been allocated in fiscal year 2018 to excavation efforts on the island, and part of that money will help pay for the project, a Ministry of Health, Labor and Welfare official told Stars and Stripes. “We would like to check [the island] thoroughly,” he said. “The Japanese government needs to work together as one and proceed in order to discover [these] uncollected remains.” The radar’s development is being led by the Ministry of Defense, the official added. The need for a better radar became apparent after 1,798 unsuccessful shallow excavations on Iwo To between 2014 and 2017, the official said. Despite those failures, three anomalies were discovered near the island’s runway in 2012 and 2013 using a radar provided by the Ministry of Defense. Last year, after excavating the site of one of the anomalies, two sets of human remains were found at a depth of about 52 feet, prompting the request for a higher performing radar. Officials said they hope to dig under the runway, should more anomalies be detected by the new radar, but hope to do so in a way that will not disrupt base activities. The runway is used by the Japan Self-Defense Forces and the U.S. military during carrier-landing drills. As the United States bore down on the island in February 1945, its approximately 22,000 Japanese defenders burrowed deep into the rock underground, creating a sprawling complex of tunnels and caverns, many of which exist today. In the heavy fighting that followed, about 21,900 Japanese were killed, the Japanese official said. Only 10,410 sets of their remains have been recovered. Of the approximately 70,000 Americans who participated in the 36-day Battle of Iwo Jima, about 6,800 were killed. Of those, 151 American servicemembers – mostly Marines – remain unaccounted for, said Defense POW/MIA Accounting Agency spokesman Lt. Col. Kenneth Hoffman. The Marines that stormed the island stronghold took two completed airfields and a third that was under construction, so finding American remains in the area of the runway “is possible.” If American remains are found, information will be provided to DPAA, the Japanese official said. More at link View Quote |
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Great pics. High up on my bucket list trips. I plan on bringing back some sand.
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I mailed my volcanic ash back. Flat rate box from Guam, cost 18 bucks and TSA didn't test me for explosives every time I changed planes coming back like they did everyone else who carried that ash onboard an airplane.
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We know where thousands of Japanese soldiers are buried on Guam, and we have told the Japanese. They have made minimal effort to recover the war dead, only taking a small percentage of those back to Japan. Many many Japanese bodies are still in Guam, both buried and in caves. I doubt they will ever claim them. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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They're still looking. Japan plans to develop strong radar to find WWII remains on Iwo Jima CAMP FOSTER, Okinawa — Japan plans to develop a powerful ground-penetrating radar to help find World War II remains on Iwo To, the iconic island known to Americans as Iwo Jima. The radar’s specifics are unknown, because its development has not yet gone out to bid; however, officials hope it will be able to penetrate deeper than existing systems that can find objects with a diameter of about an inch as deep as 13 feet, or a 20-inch cavity as deep as 33 feet. Nearly $11.9 million has been allocated in fiscal year 2018 to excavation efforts on the island, and part of that money will help pay for the project, a Ministry of Health, Labor and Welfare official told Stars and Stripes. “We would like to check [the island] thoroughly,” he said. “The Japanese government needs to work together as one and proceed in order to discover [these] uncollected remains.” The radar’s development is being led by the Ministry of Defense, the official added. The need for a better radar became apparent after 1,798 unsuccessful shallow excavations on Iwo To between 2014 and 2017, the official said. Despite those failures, three anomalies were discovered near the island’s runway in 2012 and 2013 using a radar provided by the Ministry of Defense. Last year, after excavating the site of one of the anomalies, two sets of human remains were found at a depth of about 52 feet, prompting the request for a higher performing radar. Officials said they hope to dig under the runway, should more anomalies be detected by the new radar, but hope to do so in a way that will not disrupt base activities. The runway is used by the Japan Self-Defense Forces and the U.S. military during carrier-landing drills. As the United States bore down on the island in February 1945, its approximately 22,000 Japanese defenders burrowed deep into the rock underground, creating a sprawling complex of tunnels and caverns, many of which exist today. In the heavy fighting that followed, about 21,900 Japanese were killed, the Japanese official said. Only 10,410 sets of their remains have been recovered. Of the approximately 70,000 Americans who participated in the 36-day Battle of Iwo Jima, about 6,800 were killed. Of those, 151 American servicemembers – mostly Marines – remain unaccounted for, said Defense POW/MIA Accounting Agency spokesman Lt. Col. Kenneth Hoffman. The Marines that stormed the island stronghold took two completed airfields and a third that was under construction, so finding American remains in the area of the runway “is possible.” If American remains are found, information will be provided to DPAA, the Japanese official said. More at link |
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Very cool. I would love to visit Iwo. I had a Great Uncle who was killed there on March 3.
RIP Pvt. Gurney Barnhill, B Co. 1/24. 4 MarDiv. |
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OP: is there a marker at the site where John Basilone died? View Quote I didn't hear anyone discuss such a marker and I am sure I would have. |
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Interesting Any reason why? View Quote Repatriating their soldiers bodies would just bring it back up. That is the reason they make it difficult to visit Iwo Jima IMO as well. There were two fully loaded 737s that landed, in addition to the Commandant of the Marine Corps and many other Marines that flew in for the event. The Japanese set up 3 portable toilets for maybe 500 people. They don't make it easy to visit Iwo Jima. They did stamp my passport...which was good of them. |
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As a Sooner that has lived (and served) in Texas for more than 25 years, don't lump us all in with this moron. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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If it is on your bucket list to visit Iwo Jima, I urge you to do three things before you go.
1) Join the Iwo Jima Association of America. If you don't, you can't go. 2) Be prepared for a round trip 10 mile walk including a steep 554 foot climb to the top of Mount Suribachi on dirt or unimproved roads in whatever weather it may be that day. 3) Contact either Military History Tours, Stephen Ambrose Tours or the WW2 Museum Tours to arrange the trip. I chose Military History Tours and was very pleased with the resort hotel, food, beer and historians that lectured us on both Guam and about Iwo Jima. You are not going to be able to get there any other way I know of as a civilian. |
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Pretty cool adventure OP... thanks for sharing... Would love to go someday...
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They're still looking. Japan plans to develop strong radar to find WWII remains on Iwo Jima CAMP FOSTER, Okinawa — Japan plans to develop a powerful ground-penetrating radar to help find World War II remains on Iwo To, the iconic island known to Americans as Iwo Jima. The radar’s specifics are unknown, because its development has not yet gone out to bid; however, officials hope it will be able to penetrate deeper than existing systems that can find objects with a diameter of about an inch as deep as 13 feet, or a 20-inch cavity as deep as 33 feet. Nearly $11.9 million has been allocated in fiscal year 2018 to excavation efforts on the island, and part of that money will help pay for the project, a Ministry of Health, Labor and Welfare official told Stars and Stripes. “We would like to check [the island] thoroughly,” he said. “The Japanese government needs to work together as one and proceed in order to discover [these] uncollected remains.” The radar’s development is being led by the Ministry of Defense, the official added. The need for a better radar became apparent after 1,798 unsuccessful shallow excavations on Iwo To between 2014 and 2017, the official said. Despite those failures, three anomalies were discovered near the island’s runway in 2012 and 2013 using a radar provided by the Ministry of Defense. Last year, after excavating the site of one of the anomalies, two sets of human remains were found at a depth of about 52 feet, prompting the request for a higher performing radar. Officials said they hope to dig under the runway, should more anomalies be detected by the new radar, but hope to do so in a way that will not disrupt base activities. The runway is used by the Japan Self-Defense Forces and the U.S. military during carrier-landing drills. As the United States bore down on the island in February 1945, its approximately 22,000 Japanese defenders burrowed deep into the rock underground, creating a sprawling complex of tunnels and caverns, many of which exist today. In the heavy fighting that followed, about 21,900 Japanese were killed, the Japanese official said. Only 10,410 sets of their remains have been recovered. Of the approximately 70,000 Americans who participated in the 36-day Battle of Iwo Jima, about 6,800 were killed. Of those, 151 American servicemembers – mostly Marines – remain unaccounted for, said Defense POW/MIA Accounting Agency spokesman Lt. Col. Kenneth Hoffman. The Marines that stormed the island stronghold took two completed airfields and a third that was under construction, so finding American remains in the area of the runway “is possible.” If American remains are found, information will be provided to DPAA, the Japanese official said. More at link View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Around 30,000 people died on that island in about 3 months or less. Do they still find human remains I wonder. Japan plans to develop strong radar to find WWII remains on Iwo Jima CAMP FOSTER, Okinawa — Japan plans to develop a powerful ground-penetrating radar to help find World War II remains on Iwo To, the iconic island known to Americans as Iwo Jima. The radar’s specifics are unknown, because its development has not yet gone out to bid; however, officials hope it will be able to penetrate deeper than existing systems that can find objects with a diameter of about an inch as deep as 13 feet, or a 20-inch cavity as deep as 33 feet. Nearly $11.9 million has been allocated in fiscal year 2018 to excavation efforts on the island, and part of that money will help pay for the project, a Ministry of Health, Labor and Welfare official told Stars and Stripes. “We would like to check [the island] thoroughly,” he said. “The Japanese government needs to work together as one and proceed in order to discover [these] uncollected remains.” The radar’s development is being led by the Ministry of Defense, the official added. The need for a better radar became apparent after 1,798 unsuccessful shallow excavations on Iwo To between 2014 and 2017, the official said. Despite those failures, three anomalies were discovered near the island’s runway in 2012 and 2013 using a radar provided by the Ministry of Defense. Last year, after excavating the site of one of the anomalies, two sets of human remains were found at a depth of about 52 feet, prompting the request for a higher performing radar. Officials said they hope to dig under the runway, should more anomalies be detected by the new radar, but hope to do so in a way that will not disrupt base activities. The runway is used by the Japan Self-Defense Forces and the U.S. military during carrier-landing drills. As the United States bore down on the island in February 1945, its approximately 22,000 Japanese defenders burrowed deep into the rock underground, creating a sprawling complex of tunnels and caverns, many of which exist today. In the heavy fighting that followed, about 21,900 Japanese were killed, the Japanese official said. Only 10,410 sets of their remains have been recovered. Of the approximately 70,000 Americans who participated in the 36-day Battle of Iwo Jima, about 6,800 were killed. Of those, 151 American servicemembers – mostly Marines – remain unaccounted for, said Defense POW/MIA Accounting Agency spokesman Lt. Col. Kenneth Hoffman. The Marines that stormed the island stronghold took two completed airfields and a third that was under construction, so finding American remains in the area of the runway “is possible.” If American remains are found, information will be provided to DPAA, the Japanese official said. More at link |
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Quoted: The Japanese have a totally different view of this war than we do....I think they prefer to think it never happened. Repatriating their soldiers bodies would just bring it back up. That is the reason they make it difficult to visit Iwo Jima IMO as well. There were two fully loaded 737s that landed, in addition to the Commandant of the Marine Corps and many other Marines that flew in for the event. The Japanese set up 3 portable toilets for maybe 500 people. They don't make it easy to visit Iwo Jima. They did stamp my passport...which was good of them. View Quote |
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The Japanese have a totally different view of this war than we do....I think they prefer to think it never happened. Repatriating their soldiers bodies would just bring it back up. That is the reason they make it difficult to visit Iwo Jima IMO as well. There were two fully loaded 737s that landed, in addition to the Commandant of the Marine Corps and many other Marines that flew in for the event. The Japanese set up 3 portable toilets for maybe 500 people. They don't make it easy to visit Iwo Jima. They did stamp my passport...which was good of them. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Interesting Any reason why? Repatriating their soldiers bodies would just bring it back up. That is the reason they make it difficult to visit Iwo Jima IMO as well. There were two fully loaded 737s that landed, in addition to the Commandant of the Marine Corps and many other Marines that flew in for the event. The Japanese set up 3 portable toilets for maybe 500 people. They don't make it easy to visit Iwo Jima. They did stamp my passport...which was good of them. |
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They also claim that the atrocities in Nanking never happened! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: The Japanese have a totally different view of this war than we do....I think they prefer to think it never happened. Repatriating their soldiers bodies would just bring it back up. That is the reason they make it difficult to visit Iwo Jima IMO as well. There were two fully loaded 737s that landed, in addition to the Commandant of the Marine Corps and many other Marines that flew in for the event. The Japanese set up 3 portable toilets for maybe 500 people. They don't make it easy to visit Iwo Jima. They did stamp my passport...which was good of them. |
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We returned it to Japan in 1968.
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That would be a phenomenal trip!! Definitely one I need to do. Thank you for the pics
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OP: is there a marker at the site where John Basilone died? View Quote https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Basilone |
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Great pics. High up on my bucket list trips. I plan on bringing back some sand. View Quote |
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It is controlled by the Japanese? Shit, I thought it was an American controlled base ever since WW2.
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My uncle was in 3rd Marines and in the initial landing and attack. He was a combat soldier and made it through without a scratch. He sent my grandparents, his parents, an 8X10 photo of the official Rosenthal version of the flag raising that has Rosenthal's signature and stamped "Official Photograph-3D Mar. Div.". Obviously Rosenthal's signature isn't an ink on photo original, but it is the photo that Marines were able to procure or was given to 3rd Marines. Interestingly a receipt is glue to the back of the cardboard rear from Beeville Lumber Company, Beeville TX, who did the framing of the pic for his parents. It's dated October 1945, to his parents. It shows two photos for 70 cents each for a total of $1.40 for the framing service. I wish I knew what the other pic was. It was left to me by my grandfather, and I've cherished it. It's in my gun/reloading room on the wall. View Quote |
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I saw Martha’s piece about this last night. She said there’s now a Japanese flag planted on top of Suribachi, but the film didn’t show it.
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Was there in 93, landed in a C-130. Walked in that sand as a young Marine. Climbed Suribachi to find out you can only raise the US flag there on certain days because we gave it back to the Japs. I almost got in trouble when I heard that, really pissed me the fuck off an my XO heard about it.
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If it is on your bucket list to visit Iwo Jima, I urge you to do three things before you go. 1) Join the Iwo Jima Association of America. If you don't, you can't go. 2) Be prepared for a round trip 10 mile walk including a steep 554 foot climb to the top of Mount Suribachi on dirt or unimproved roads in whatever weather it may be that day. 3) Contact either Military History Tours, Stephen Ambrose Tours or the WW2 Museum Tours to arrange the trip. I chose Military History Tours and was very pleased with the resort hotel, food, beer and historians that lectured us on both Guam and about Iwo Jima. You are not going to be able to get there any other way I know of as a civilian. View Quote |
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Was there in 93, landed in a C-130. Walked in that sand as a young Marine. Climbed Suribachi to find out you can only raise the US flag there on certain days because we gave it back to the Japs. I almost got in trouble when I heard that, really pissed me the fuck off an my XO heard about it. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/413997/iwo_jima_jpg-892732.JPG View Quote |
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I saw Martha’s piece about this last night. She said there’s now a Japanese flag planted on top of Suribachi, but the film didn’t show it. Is there an American flag, too, or just the Japanese? Not trying to get anyone riled, just curious. View Quote |
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I suspect it isn't a very good base for doing anything but flying small planes to Japan, so no need to keep it. So we save $$$ buy not occupying it. Has the USA held onto any land captured in WWII? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Pretty sure she said the Japanese flag replaced the American flag. It is possible that I misheard her. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I saw Martha’s piece about this last night. She said there’s now a Japanese flag planted on top of Suribachi, but the film didn’t show it. Is there an American flag, too, or just the Japanese? Not trying to get anyone riled, just curious. I can't imagine Brits getting upset about not having the Union Jack up at the White House just because they burned it down in 1812. |
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I wonder how many hundreds of thousands of years it took for the earth to make that volcanic ash for you and all the other yahoos to take and destroy the ecology Of course, Austin/Autistic...six of one, half-a-dozen of the other... |
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You know we are alies with Japan, and we have been doing training hops on Iwo for decades? Every time I’ve been there, the Japanese military has been gracious and hospitable. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Was there in 93, landed in a C-130. Walked in that sand as a young Marine. Climbed Suribachi to find out you can only raise the US flag there on certain days because we gave it back to the Japs. I almost got in trouble when I heard that, really pissed me the fuck off an my XO heard about it. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/413997/iwo_jima_jpg-892732.JPG |
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