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Link Posted: 12/11/2022 10:52:30 AM EST
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Agreed. Drink alcohol.
Link Posted: 12/11/2022 11:02:51 AM EST
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You're delusional.

Let me give you an extremely simple structures problem -

The job has a cantilever beam 10 feet long with a 1000 pound load at the outer end.

What is the shear load at the end where the beam is attached?  What is the bending moment at the support?

The area moment of inertia of the beam is 10000 inches^4.  What is the deflection at the outboard end?

An engineer will be able to answer the first two questions in seconds, and the third in a minute or less (some will need to hunt down a seldom used equation).

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That's Structural Engineering. I'm a Civil Engineer.

Surprised?
Link Posted: 12/11/2022 11:10:07 AM EST
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You have proven our point.

Now you need to tell us what you believe entails civil engineering.  Just to cement your clueless position.


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Im pretty sure it just means you make people, people dont have beams
Link Posted: 12/11/2022 11:14:46 AM EST
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Never drank my last dollar away when I was young. I gave it to the dancer before I went out the door.
Link Posted: 12/11/2022 11:15:47 AM EST
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Disciplines. Different disciplines make up civil engineering. You should have started by asking which Discipline.
Link Posted: 12/11/2022 11:16:32 AM EST
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We save money on alcohol by ONLY going to Happy Hour 3 nights a week.  
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this...how do you drink 140 dollars worth of booze?
Link Posted: 12/11/2022 11:23:03 AM EST
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Link Posted: 12/11/2022 12:14:25 PM EST
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Are you a member of the operating engineers local? That could explain your ignorance on that topic, but not the rest of your wreck.

Tell us your discipline since that is important to your ego, if not the truth.

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Operating engineer, final answer.
Link Posted: 12/11/2022 12:23:12 PM EST
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You spent $140 on alcohol and someone else had to buy you groceries? It sounds like your problem is alcohol.

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This.

No sympathy for OP.
Link Posted: 12/11/2022 12:24:24 PM EST
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So many assumptions. I went to 3 bars that night. Met him at the last bar. Hiw much money did I have by the time I hit the 3rd bar? Some people focus on the minutiae and miss the bigger picture.
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I bought drinks for a young man I met. That gent has 17 felonies, but was respectful and he kept me company.


You were scammed by a criminal you just met into using your last money to buy him drinks?

That's awesome.
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So many assumptions. I went to 3 bars that night. Met him at the last bar. Hiw much money did I have by the time I hit the 3rd bar? Some people focus on the minutiae and miss the bigger picture.


Alcoholics view the world differently.
Link Posted: 12/11/2022 12:41:38 PM EST
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This.

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I don't need sympathy. I asked for job opportunities, not handouts. All the good responses we so helpful, I'm greatful and feel better about my situation.
Link Posted: 12/11/2022 12:44:15 PM EST
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That's Structural Engineering. I'm a Civil Engineer.

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With a two-year Associates degree, you aren't either.

Stop lying to yourself and us.

Link Posted: 12/11/2022 12:45:52 PM EST
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I don't need sympathy. I asked for job opportunities, not handouts. All the good responses we so helpful, I'm greatful and feel better about my situation.
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Tell that to the guy who bought you groceries.

Link Posted: 12/11/2022 12:46:51 PM EST
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You're delusional.

Let me give you an extremely simple structures problem -

The job has a cantilever beam 10 feet long with a 1000 pound load at the outer end.

What is the shear load at the end where the beam is attached?  What is the bending moment at the support?

The area moment of inertia of the beam is 10000 inches^4.  What is the deflection at the outboard end?  The beam is steel; use a typical approximate Young's Modulus for steels.

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Aero,

As I'm sure you aware, there are many different disciplines within civil engineering.  If he is in land development only, he would not use structural engineering in his daily tasks.  Structurals would be hired as a separate consultant when needed.  Wall design maybe handled by land development engineers, but not all civils perform wall designs.  Most of my experiences with private civil companies is they do not perform structural/wall designs due to different insurances and not wanting responsibility.  

What he is being taught to him is relative to his daily tasks (structural is clearly not). Things such as: How to read a geotech report, how to apply it, how to read zoning ordinances and design criteria, and apply it.  How to grade a site to reduce haul off, how deal with environmental soil issues, how to solve issues with community standards and the client's budget and needs.  They are learning how to conduct public hearings and persuade hostile views, how to answer comment and response letters correctly.  Cost estimating and specifications.  Storm, sanitary, and detention/retention design and hydrology.  How to lead a project team, business development, and marketing.  Unless you been in this field many people do not realize the huge skill set needed by a land development civil.  These are hard to teach skills and not taught in school.  I only scratch the skills needed by an "engineer" in the land development field.

As a developer, I do not want to have a structural engineer designing my sites.  I hire land development civil engineers because most structural engineers do not know how to engineer and develop sites.  They are purely structural.  Civils in private development are in niche specialties.  

Also, just because you are a license professional engineer does not mean they know what they are doing.  I have numerous PE in my career who should never engineer a site and should leave the field.  Some of the best land development engineers and project managers were "designers".
Link Posted: 12/11/2022 12:50:24 PM EST
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Tell that to the guy who bought you groceries.

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Why do you assume a guy bought me groceries? I'm blessed enough to have family.
Link Posted: 12/11/2022 12:50:42 PM EST
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I’ll kick you in the taint for $5.. I’m not that far away.
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He doesn’t have any money!
Link Posted: 12/11/2022 12:53:03 PM EST
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Why do you assume a guy bought me groceries? I'm blessed enough to have family.
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Tell that to the guy who bought you groceries.



Why do you assume a guy bought me groceries? I'm blessed enough to have family.


Does it matter who had to do it?

It was still a handout because you drank away your last dollar.

Link Posted: 12/11/2022 12:55:46 PM EST
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Why do you assume a guy bought me groceries? I'm blessed enough to have family.
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Tell that to the guy who bought you groceries.



Why do you assume a guy bought me groceries? I'm blessed enough to have family.

Weren't you just whining about people focusimg on minutiae and missing the bigger picture?
Link Posted: 12/11/2022 12:58:56 PM EST
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Donate plasma
Sell or pawn guns
Sell or pawn tools
Go to food bank



Attend AA meeting and don’t drink for the next 24hrs
Link Posted: 12/11/2022 1:00:12 PM EST
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This is the first time I have been on here in a few days, and what a way to be welcomed back!

OP - You are a very irresponsible person.  I know you allegedly don't want handouts, but how could I trust you to do any job I may have for you??
Link Posted: 12/11/2022 1:01:14 PM EST
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Never drank my last dollar away when I was young. I gave it to the dancer before I went out the door.
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the utmost in Chivalry.
Link Posted: 12/11/2022 1:09:39 PM EST
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This is the first time I have been on here in a few days, and what a way to be welcomed back!

OP - You are a very irresponsible person.  I know you allegedly don't want handouts, but how could I trust you to do any job I may have for you??
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Well sir, I have held down the same job for seven years, and make well more than I did when I started. As mentioned previously, it's possible to have a great career, while your personal life is a mess. But seeing as you're in Ohio I don't think I would be able to help you either way.
Link Posted: 12/11/2022 1:21:51 PM EST
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Well sir, I have held down the same job for seven years, and make well more than I did when I started. As mentioned previously, it's possible to have a great career, for a while, while your personal life is a mess. But seeing as you're in Ohio I don't think I would be able to help you either way.
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I've been in a few financial binds, here and there, while actively employed and diligently working, albeit years ago when I'd occasionally find myself living paycheck to paycheck. Even 15 years ago, I never got in to such a bind by drinking away the last of my cash on hand, though

OP, any children in the mix of all this... shit?

What tangible personal items of yours can you start selling, right now?
Link Posted: 12/11/2022 1:52:36 PM EST
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I've been in a few financial binds, here and there, while actively employed and diligently working, albeit years ago when I'd occasionally find myself living paycheck to paycheck. Even 15 years ago, I never got in to such a bind by drinking away the last of my cash on hand, though

OP, any children in the mix of all this... shit?

What tangible personal items of yours can you start selling, right now?
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I'm living alone, which is part of the problem. I had a family up until a few month ago. We would sit down for dinner and go through our highs and lows. I have an AR I can let go of, I have 3k in it. I know I won't get that for it but the ball is not in my court.
Link Posted: 12/11/2022 2:00:50 PM EST
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Probably plenty of options for rete locations looking for extra help stocking shelves.  Maine turn it into a P/T Kaye shift snd weekend gig.

Link Posted: 12/11/2022 2:01:01 PM EST
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Probably plenty of options for rete locations looking for extra help stocking shelves.  Maine turn it into a P/T Kaye shift snd weekend gig.

Link Posted: 12/11/2022 2:02:32 PM EST
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Probably plenty of options for rete locations looking for extra help stocking shelves.  Maine turn it into a P/T Kaye shift snd weekend gig.

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Did you also spend $140 on alcohol?
Link Posted: 12/11/2022 2:04:12 PM EST
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Did you not consider spending that $140 on groceries instead of booze?
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Yeah, you can eat like a king for $140 a week.  Hell you can eat good for two weeks on that.  I could do it and have enough left over to make drinks on weekends.
Link Posted: 12/11/2022 2:05:54 PM EST
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You miss my point.  That problem is so fundamental that any degreed CE should be able to produce an answer no matter his specialty.

These days I wouldn't tackle a yaw dampener as part of the stability and control of an airplane - that would look hilarious to a specialist.  But I do know the fundamentals.

A PE license may not signal experience at the tasks you need, but they have a stamp; the question becomes one about whether they have the integrity to pass on jobs where they aren't qualified.

Construction projects are different than damn near anything else, people have been shaping the environment and erecting buildings that work and don't fall down for millennia using tribal knowledge.  That is still in use where the tools hit the ground.  Adding the geometry to get it right is a first step toward engineering, but it's not but a fraction of the engineering tasks.



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Yes, I understand what you and other engineers wrote. While a PE (which is debatable with some of the current PEs I have seen as of late) can certain answer that question because they were required in school, he is not a license engineer.  He is an engineer for a land development company.  Yes, in this field people who are not PEs have titles as engineers.  Whether you agree with it or not it, is the reality of the land development field.

Structural has nothing to do with Tall's daily tasks, experience or answering your wall question. The structural engineer and architect deals with walls and foundation. Tall's specialty is land development and to get his client's project designed under budget, on time, and approved by all AHJs.  

If he does unscrew himself, he could easily make 110-120k a year in the next 5 to 10 years.  If he flips to the development side, sky is the limit depending on experience and development company.


Link Posted: 12/11/2022 2:06:50 PM EST
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I'm confused. My job is "in demand" but unskilled.

I live away from family, mostly isolated in this terrible state. I'm only here for a job I try to avoid as much as possible.

All I have is money and I know I should move or do something else. Like money where I could take a year off working.

This makes no sense.
Link Posted: 12/11/2022 2:10:16 PM EST
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Next time buy a pint of cheap vodka and an enema bag and boof a few Oz. of vodka and save the rest for next week.

Or just quit drinking and embrace the suck. In a few months your loan will be repaid, then begin paying 1k a month to your cc bill and use the left over cash to buy groceries. Pack a lunch. Buy a loin of pork and/or a lump of sirloin and trim it out, and slice up some steaks. You would have spent less than 50.00 and have meat for a month or more.
Link Posted: 12/11/2022 2:10:47 PM EST
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The extra job is just a poorly contrived bandaid.

All the folks saying uber lyft must not have really looked at their compensation. They are more or less scamming people in to paying for their fleet. Probably lucky to net minimum wage in the end.

Extra job may be a good idea but spending needs to get fixed.
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It's a pretty straight trade of depreciation for cash when you break down rideshare numbers, but this is pretty much the exact situation where you make that trade to unfuck your financial situation in the short term.
Link Posted: 12/11/2022 2:13:26 PM EST
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All things are temporary, good times and bad times just gotta wait it out. I struggled with alcohol bad still do here and there, many times walking down railroad tracks feeling sorry myself. I'm by no means out of the woods and I suppose no one really is, you just gotta get those scars and drive on, The old wise man wasn't born that way, he had to learn from himself as well as others. Mistakes need to be looked at as a learning experience and not something negative. Had I not made the mistakes I have I would not be the person I am now, nor would I understand others as well as i do had i not traveled the same road.  More understand than ya think.
Link Posted: 12/11/2022 2:16:10 PM EST
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Next time buy a pint of cheap vodka and an enema bag and boof a few Oz. of vodka and save the rest for next week.

Or just quit drinking and embrace the suck. In a few months your loan will be repaid, then begin paying 1k a month to your cc bill and use the left over cash to buy groceries. Pack a lunch. Buy a loin of pork and/or a lump of sirloin and trim it out, and slice up some steaks. You would have spent less than 50.00 and have meat for a month or more.
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Your second paragraph is my plan. I should be out of this situation by December 2023, if I can set my priorities straight. Thank you.
Link Posted: 12/11/2022 2:17:22 PM EST
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You have proven our point.

Now you need to tell us what you believe entails civil engineering.  Just to cement your clueless position.

Are you a member of the operating engineers local?  That could explain your ignorance on that topic, but not the rest of your wreck.




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When i was building my house i had a plan that was drawn up and solid and engineered. Had to pay one you assholes $750 to move a 6’ horizontally with no change in structure. Completely unnecessary; but y’all get paid well.
Link Posted: 12/11/2022 2:17:43 PM EST
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All things are temporary, good times and bad times just gotta wait it out. I struggled with alcohol bad still do here and there, many times walking down railroad tracks feeling sorry myself. I'm by no means out of the woods and I suppose no one really is, you just gotta get those scars and drive on, The old wise man wasn't born that way, he had to learn from himself as well as others. Mistakes need to be looked at as a learning experience and not something negative. Had I not made the mistakes I have I would not be the person I am now, nor would I understand others as well as i do had i not traveled the same road.  More understand than ya think.
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I appreciate it man. I'm moving forward.
Link Posted: 12/11/2022 2:20:26 PM EST
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this...how do you drink 140 dollars worth of booze?
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You start about 5pm and stay until closing time?

Realistically, not that hard even without paying for drinks for a convicted felon, like the OP did. I remember lots of nights of $100+ bar tabs with my friends on well drinks and pitchers in our 20's and with the way prices are 13 years later... it's probably even easier if you eat a meal or a couple appetizers and you're not at some side-of-the-road biker bar in butt-fuck nowhere
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Definitely staying home. Not because I'm broke, I was invited out earlier, and I wouldn't have to pay a cent with my buddy who is also in engineering. I just realize that I need something real and not hollow conversation that is typical between strangers meeting out on the town.
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Quit going to the bars.  Quit going out.  That's a lot of money right there.   Stay home.



Definitely staying home. Not because I'm broke, I was invited out earlier, and I wouldn't have to pay a cent with my buddy who is also in engineering. I just realize that I need something real and not hollow conversation that is typical between strangers meeting out on the town.


What kind of engineering do you do that only pays $70k/yr at 32 years old…assuming you’re 8-10 years in? Degreed engineer or tech? If degreed you might want to relocate to a better job market.
Link Posted: 12/11/2022 2:25:12 PM EST
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It was the first time I bought a car on credit. I didn't know any better until I got home and did the math.
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Why in the hell did you agree to a 17% interest rate car note?


It was the first time I bought a car on credit. I didn't know any better until I got home and did the math.


You have to be incredibly ignorant to buy a car without research. The internet has made car buying pretty easy.
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I'm living alone, which is part of the problem. I had a family up until a few month ago. We would sit down for dinner and go through our highs and lows. I have an AR I can let go of, I have 3k in it. I know I won't get that for it but the ball is not in my court.
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I had to sell my first AR, way back around '08 when Obama took a massive gay-man-married-to-a-tranny-named-Mike dump on the economy and I had my hours cut. I wasn't happy, but I was able to pay rent and avoid eviction by doing so. I ended up buying a much nicer AR 2 years later after getting myself back in to a better financial standing (by working my ass off). So yeah, go list that thing on the EE or take it to an FFL if you want to do local consignment. Remain armed with at least one long arm and a pistol, though.

Otherwise, given someone was very generous and provided you with food, I'd definitely pay mind to the good advice already provided in this thread, some of which my intersect with my own:
- Avoid name brand anything for low-cost items that aren't in critical path to anything (don't cheap out on tires or a mattress or a CCW holster, for example). Shop store brand toilet paper, hamburger, hand soap, spaghetti sauce, paper towels, etc. Use coupons as best you can.
- Limit eating out or ordering takeout. Learn to cook quick meals using cheap (yet healthy) ingredients, or how to make large batches of food that will last several days. This food can still by tasty/enjoyable, and likely will be healthier than the processed/pre-made/takeout stuff you're a bit used to.
- Stop drinking. If you can't do that immediately, seek help. If you don't want to stop, then you won't, so in that case shop for cheaper booze. Do not buy cheap whiskey, bourbon, rum or tequila. Go for cheap vodka - this can be run through a Brita-type filter a few times, if needed. It's otherwise just watered down grain alcohol. Mix with cheap seltzers or sodas.
- Find a second job. What are you good at? Try to find something available that fits your area(s) of expertise, but also look for jobs you could start right away with (retail, for example).
- How are you accessing ARFCOM right now? If it's via a $3 - 4k gaming rig, then you've got another thing you need to sell, and downgrade to something that fits your current budget.
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I'm sitting at home, watching a pearl harbor documentary on Netflix. Not drinking. I think there is a misconception that I drank ALL my money to get me into this situation, not so. It's the debt.
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I'm sitting at home, watching a pearl harbor documentary on Netflix. Not drinking. I think there is a misconception that I drank ALL my money to get me into this situation, not so. It's the debt.


Cancel your subscriptions.
Link Posted: 12/11/2022 2:27:28 PM EST
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You're delusional.

Let me give you an extremely simple structures problem -

The job has a cantilever beam 10 feet long with a 1000 pound load at the outer end.

What is the shear load at the end where the beam is attached?  What is the bending moment at the support?

The area moment of inertia of the beam is 10000 inches^4.  What is the deflection at the outboard end?  The beam is steel; use a typical approximate Young's Modulus for steels.

An engineer will be able to answer the first two questions in seconds, and the third in a minute or less (some will need to hunt down a seldom used equation).

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To determine the shear load at the end of the beam where it is attached, we must first determine the reaction force at the support. This can be done using the equations of static equilibrium, which state that the sum of the forces in the horizontal and vertical directions must be zero. In this case, since the beam is horizontal and the load is at the outer end, the reaction force must act vertically upwards.

Since the beam is 10 feet long and the load is 1000 pounds, we can use the equations of static equilibrium to determine the reaction force at the support. Specifically, we have the following:

Sum of forces in the horizontal direction: 0 = R - 1000
Sum of forces in the vertical direction: 0 = R

Solving these equations, we find that the reaction force at the support is R = 1000 pounds. This means that the shear load at the end of the beam where it is attached is also 1000 pounds.

To determine the bending moment at the support, we can use the equation for bending moment, which is given by M = F * L, where M is the bending moment, F is the force, and L is the length of the beam. In this case, the bending moment at the support is 1000 pounds * 10 feet = 10,000 pound-feet.

It's important to note that these calculations assume that the beam is in static equilibrium, which means that the forces acting on the beam are balanced and the beam is not accelerating. If the beam is accelerating or the forces are not balanced, the shear load and bending moment at the support may be different.

To determine the deflection at the outboard end of the beam, we must first determine the bending moment at the outboard end. This can be done using the equations of static equilibrium and the equation for bending moment, as we did above.

Once we have the bending moment at the outboard end, we can use the equation for beam deflection, which is given by delta = M * y / (E * I), where delta is the deflection, M is the bending moment, y is the distance from the neutral axis to the point where the deflection is being measured, E is the Young's modulus of the material, and I is the area moment of inertia of the beam.

In this case, we have not been given the value of y, so we cannot determine the deflection directly. However, we can still calculate the deflection if we know the length of the beam, since the deflection is typically calculated at the center of the beam. In this case, the beam is 10 feet long, so the deflection would be measured at a distance of 5 feet from the support.

Assuming that the beam is made of steel and using a typical approximate value for the Young's modulus of steels, which is 30 x 10^6 pounds per square inch, the deflection at the outboard end of the beam can be calculated as follows:

delta = M * y / (E * I)
delta = 10,000 * 5 / (30 x 10^6 * 10000)
delta = 0.00167 inches

This is the approximate deflection of the beam at the outboard end. It's important to note that this calculation is only an approximation, and the actual deflection of the beam may be slightly different due to various factors such as the exact material properties of the beam, the loading conditions, and the support conditions.

I'm curious if this is right, since I just plugged these into ChatGPT and this is what it gave me.



Link Posted: 12/11/2022 2:27:30 PM EST
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I’ll pay you to paint my house.

I’m not physically capable of it these days. Won’t be till after first of year though.
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There it is. I don't give a shit about your situation, but for the love of God please stop calling yourself an engineer. You aren't one and it's just annoying hearing designers claim the title "engineer". This is coming from an engineer with a Bachelor's and 2 Master's degrees in engineering.
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Engineer pulling only $70k ? Ah shit I have no room to talk...


Thank you for catching that. I am a "designer", since I have an associate degree and not a bachelors degree. Buddy makes way more than me.

There it is. I don't give a shit about your situation, but for the love of God please stop calling yourself an engineer. You aren't one and it's just annoying hearing designers claim the title "engineer". This is coming from an engineer with a Bachelor's and 2 Master's degrees in engineering.


How many stamps do you have?
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I am an engineer.

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There it is. I don't give a shit about your situation, but for the love of God please stop calling yourself an engineer. You aren't one and it's just annoying hearing designers claim the title "engineer". This is coming from an engineer with a Bachelor's and 2 Master's degrees in engineering.


I am an engineer.

@vand6167



No stamp, no engineer.

Part of your problem is that you live in a fantasy world and refuse to face reality.
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