I seriously love you guys. No homo.

So pretty much, this is you saying you don't like vagina.  Got it.

Free forever for the hardware you install it on during this year.  

Unless you wait past a year and don't upgrade, then you have to buy the license.

Unless you turn it off.  Which is so ridiculously easy it's not even worth talking about.

You really think the NSA would have anything to do with that?  If you do I've got a bridge to sell you.

No it's not easy.  The settings in the user interface are deceiving, as several specialized article demonstrated and other posters here demonstrated that Win 10 keeps sending information back to Microsoft despite the user has "turned everything off".   To turn it off requires many other "under the hood" tweaks and even then we cannot be sure that they will not be cancelled by some of the updates, now mandatory.

For the users who do not care to be some rat labs Win 10 can be good.  However, for the ones who want to still control what their PCs do and when they do it, Win 10 is not the way to go.

Fuck Windows 10! Damn it to hell!

Shouldn't have to do anything to watch Netflix on Linux outside of installing Chrome, provided you're on an Ubuntu variant:

http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/watch-netflix-natively-linux-easy-way/

Yes, it actually is easy.

Regardless, feel free to be happy living in the dark ages, but eventually you're not going to have much of a choice but to upgrade, conspiracy theories or not.

I do wonder if any of these folks have accounts with Dropbox, Gmail, Youtube, Amazon, Netflix, etc...

ETA: Or use a Apple, Android, or RIM smartphone.

I'd rather spend $300 for a cheap PC vs $1,300 for a cheap Mac.



 

Resistance is Futile.

I bought a new SSD and fresh installed Windows 10 and then my wifi PCI card wouldn't reconnect after sleep, would take a full reset to get it working again.  Did the usual stuff, turned off power saving, reinstalled drivers from Asus, nothing changed it.

So I just reinstalled Win 8.1 (w/ Classic shell) and wifi works fine again, disabled and hid the Win 10 nags / updated.


I'll give it another year or so to mature.  Some other things that were annoying like the Xbox nag window when you start up a game, but can't disable unless I sign into my non-existent Xbox account.  Solved that by uninstalling the Xbox app via powershell.


Every release there's more and more things that you have to do to a vanilla install to make it usable.  In Win 8 it was having to install classic shell so you don't have to use the metro garbage, in Win 10 you need to uninstall all the integrated apps & Microsoft spyware.

As opposed to Linux?

I like it.

Careful, I had KB3035583 uninstalled and hidden and MS did something to unhide it!  I had to go back in a re-hide it.

I am running Windows 7 on VMWare Fusion on OS X.   I only need it for a couple programs and I definitely need to avoid Windows 10.

Exactly.

I wouldn't mind Windows 10 if it could keep track of the fucking default network gateway on a cable modem that is hard wired to my goddamn PC

The default appearance is also not to my liking but since I mostly surf the Interwebz with my PC the constant failures to maintain a connection really piss me off.

I just got a new laptop with 10, and frankly I love it.

Upgraded my old one from 8.1, and now my old laptop doesn't suck either.

Oh well, I guess microsoft knows about me what they can already find on google with about 30 seconds worth of work.

 
You can install most flavors of linux without a GUI and then add what you want from there.

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but wouldn't this fall under the heading of "things you have to do to a vanilla install to make it usable"?

free market. MS can attempt to shove shit products down customer throats, but in the end they will lose money. Example: Windows 7. Example: cable tv

Which can easily be fixed by setting the network provider order under network settings and/or tweaking driver options on your shitty off-brand network card.  Just like every Windows since Vista, as they all share the same base architecture.

No video driver for my AMD embedded display card.  Can't get the dual screen to work, just clone mode.

Of course not. They're all Opsec ninjas that live completely off the grid. Except when they post here of course.

I have been using Windows since version 3.11 and never before has it tried to automatically update itself to the next version for free. That means the revenue stream is switching from people buying the product, to them selling your data (for instance Google's business model).

This opens up the door to all kinds of unwanted features and upgrades and ads in the future if they successfully move Windows onto this business model.

My new laptop came with it. No complaints so far.

A true IT professional standing above the uneducated hordes on this board. Even the avatar screams "Subject Matter Expert"! I feel thoroughly outclassed

I'm 5'7".

Well then Screw LG.  My superduper DVD burner worked alike a champ in Windows 7, but as soon as I did the Windows 10 upgrade that drive disappeared from the system and I can't get it seen in any way shape or form...

BIGGER_HAMMER

Its funny how I hit the nail on the head with this

"I have been using Windows since version 3.11 and never before has it tried to automatically update itself to the next version for free. That means the revenue stream is switching from people buying the product, to them selling your data (for instance Google's business model).

This opens up the door to all kinds of unwanted features and upgrades and ads in the future if they successfully move Windows onto this business model. "


And now people come along to post pictures, remove the quote from the tree, and try to slide it back so people cant see it. Happens in Syria threads also.

I used a LG drive to do a bare metal install of Win10 on the new family computer.

I have 2 LG dvd burners since win7 and nary a problem with them in win10

rip

What exactly should I be walking back?

 

Difference betwixt building an engine from hand-selected parts, and buying a crate engine that won't function without adding random after-market parts.

Now you're just being obtuse. I have to assume you are viewing Linux as your "hand-built" option which actually belies your hitherto unstated opinion which is in no way relevant to the thread.

 
My opinion is that OP shouldn't settle for massively invasive proprietary software when there are better options, both in function and privacy.


 

I've got Malwarebytes premium running.  It says everything is alright.  However, this issue only popped up when I installed windows 10.  Prior to that installation, google chrome worked fine.

I'll give your suggestion a try though.  I'm willing to try anything that might help.

Your preference is for an operating system whose function is restricted to only those capabilities which you specifically desire or explicitly allow. All of which is good and well, just don't mistake that preference for being aligned with the desires of the general user community. Also don't try to pass off consumer-grade Linux variants as meeting that criteria, as you say, "vanilla out of the box".

 


I just bought a couple of games from Steam......not compatable with

with Win 10.



Going be to be awhile for me.  Plus it says my wifi antenna won't work anymore.

Eight gets much better with classicshell installed.  It still isnt Win7, but its at least tolerable.

It's not a "fine OS".  It works, sure, but the amount of information it sends back to MS is ridiculous.   If you want to see it for yourself, install and run a wireshark capture.

You can get pretty close to Win7 using Win8.1 with classicshell installed.   Should keep you going a little longer.

That's all needed to hear. I'm going to try it free

We've already done that one.

Yeah there are several other GD threads including that one that cover how to disable most of the Windows 10 data collection and telemetry. Same bitching about Microsoft in this one was done in all of those too.. And that same bitching was done in the few threads in GD on how to prevent Windows 7, 8, 8.1 from being upgraded to Windows 10 too.

Guess it has to be said again... Don't want Windows 10? Then don't upgrade, use the previously mentioned (several times I'm sure) GWX Control Panel stand alone program. Use that program to remove the KB that pesters the user to upgrade and will remove the Windows 10 Upgrade download folder too.

If you do install Windows 10 there are various programs to help the user reduce the amount of data collection and telemetry reporting. O&O ShutUp10 seems to be a popular one. While MS apparently embedded some of the telemetry reporting into DLLs which make blocking it at the OS level a bit difficult, if one is knowledgeable enough and spends a few minutes googling (or reading past threads on Windows 10 here in GD) they can find ways to block that reporting via their broadband router/gateway.

Don't like being monitored? Then don't go online where your monitored, often by even one's own broadband provider, and by most other websites one visits. Don't want to be monitored? Don't use Google or their products/search engine. Don't want to be monitored? Use end to end VPN. Don't want to be monitored? Don't use a smartphone, don't use Siri, OK Google Now, etc. Period. The reality is that most of one's activity online or their activity with their mobile devices is being monetized. Yes it sucks that MS is doing this, but they are not the first nor the last to monetize the end user. I'll bet those who bitch the loudest about Microsoft monetizing the Windows 10 user are probably voluntarily monetizing themselves without even realizing it in their every day life. How many people have dealer badges or license plates that advertise the dealership where one purchased their car? How many wear clothing (like tee shirts) that advertises the clothing maker or some other business? How many gun owners wear clothing or have bumper stickers on their vehicles that advertise for the NRA, gun manufacturers, etc?

Then I'd have to say the issue is with the original hard drive, not the laptop...

The average user will not be using those programs.  

This thread is awesome.

Win8 is better in every way OTHER than the UI than Win7.     I'm not sure what this "memory hole" is, that's news to me.