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Posted: 8/12/2019 12:40:01 PM EST
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@striker
Machete attacks in london, violence in mexico, war in the middle ease, these are all problems and it does a dis-service to the world to hide it from anyones eyes, something about sunlight being the best disinfectant. |
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Posted: 8/12/2019 12:40:32 PM EST
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I'm all for banning trolls and members with repeated blatant COC violations, but now it seems any questioning of unpopular mod/staff actions = trolling. The "never wrong" attitude is driving good members away and y'all would do well to have some humility when actions you take are perceived as wrong by a large majority of the membership. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No..those in charge are dealing with the problem children..and apparently they don't like it. the play ground is closed. Staff screwed the pooch with that call. Now they’re doubling down with labeling people who disagree “problem children” and accusing them of very vague “pot stirring”. |
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Posted: 8/12/2019 12:40:45 PM EST
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How are things here?  |
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Posted: 8/12/2019 12:40:53 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Which do you think is more likely: a.) The families are disturbed by bloody pictures of their injured family member and ask the Met Police to see if they can get them removed. b.) The leadership of the Met Police and the City of London are embarrassed by the fact that significant parts of London are turning in to third world hellholes and they now have a real problem with Islamic terrorism on an ongoing basis. Let me help you out. The answer is b.) Did that play a part in my decision..nope. How do you know the family didn't contact them? |
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Posted: 8/12/2019 12:41:11 PM EST
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Weird, did someone change my avatar?
It was this a few minutes ago. 
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Posted: 8/12/2019 12:41:30 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did, their being re-educated now that you just outed them. |
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Posted: 8/12/2019 12:41:46 PM EST
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Google has been scrubbed of these pictures as well. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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 um..ooooookay.a.) The families are disturbed by bloody pictures of their injured family member and ask the Met Police to see if they can get them removed. b.) The leadership of the Met Police and the City of London are embarrassed by the fact that significant parts of London are turning in to third world hellholes and they now have a real problem with Islamic terrorism on an ongoing basis. Let me help you out. The answer is b.) |
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Posted: 8/12/2019 12:42:09 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh, ducky. The place has gone all "us vs. them" with moderation. It's going swimmingly. |
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Posted: 8/12/2019 12:42:15 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Your site to do with as you please, but I don't see why you insist on being so heavy handed. There are thousands of threads in GD, the vast, vast majority about meaningless drivel. The notion that a couple that are questioning Site management are "disrupting" the site is absurd. |
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Posted: 8/12/2019 12:42:42 PM EST
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From my time at this site I have always been supportive of the site staff and moderators.
I think the decision to edit out the pictures was wrong. A response back could have been easily formulated that expressed sympathy and support for the officer but also indicated this site allows for the free discussion of thoughts and ideas of the membership, and that this particular picture did not violate the COC so would be allowed to stay up. If the OP wanted to, he could edit them out himself. We had a COC, but now we seemingly have a new COC with unwritten rules, that may or may not be enforced at the whims of site staff. This is bad, and sets a terrible precedent. If you look at many of the people who are upset at this course of events, a lot of them are not the usual shit stirrers but longtime membership. Membership that usually are extremely supportive of the site staff, and this changing. This action set a terrible precedent and has undermined the site. |
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Posted: 8/12/2019 12:43:14 PM EST
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They stated it came through the PD "at the families request". It was from the PD. Apparently it never occurred to our censor. |
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Posted: 8/12/2019 12:43:15 PM EST
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No..we are tired of the childish antics by supposed "adults" who apparently don't understand the meaning of the word respect. People that continue to post threads about my edit to keep stirring the pot might want to cool their jets.. It is one thing to disagree with something. It is an entirely different animal to throw out insults, make wild ass accusations about something you don't know (or ignore) the whole story on. The trolls and habitual shit disturbers are gong to be in for a rough time because their play ground is closed now. I'm not gong to get into a prolonged discussion about this either. I stated the reason I edited. to the best of my knowledge Edsr and I are the only 2 to receive the e-mail..so I'm not sure how some folks here seem to know the contents of it. I edited the pics out of respect for their request..and the family..period. end of story.. I would do and have done the exact same thing for members of this site. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm severely disappointed in the locking of threads when there aren't CoC violations or when not requested by the OP. I just watched one get disappeared for questioning the tactic. Mods/staff are getting a little spicy and it will drive some away. People that continue to post threads about my edit to keep stirring the pot might want to cool their jets.. It is one thing to disagree with something. It is an entirely different animal to throw out insults, make wild ass accusations about something you don't know (or ignore) the whole story on. The trolls and habitual shit disturbers are gong to be in for a rough time because their play ground is closed now. I'm not gong to get into a prolonged discussion about this either. I stated the reason I edited. to the best of my knowledge Edsr and I are the only 2 to receive the e-mail..so I'm not sure how some folks here seem to know the contents of it. I edited the pics out of respect for their request..and the family..period. end of story.. I would do and have done the exact same thing for members of this site. |
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Posted: 8/12/2019 12:43:45 PM EST
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This was the first time I can remember that we were contacted by someone (third party) and asked to edit out pics. It was done out of respect..period. No hidden agenda..no input from Brownells.. The only hard and fat rule we've ever had here was that no pictures of wounded or dead American soldiers be posted..and that a *graphic* warning be put in the thread title. So no..you have nothing to worry about. |
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Posted: 8/12/2019 12:43:58 PM EST
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So the family asked the police department to ask ar15.com to remove the pictures? Or this was prompted by the police department without the officers family even knowing ar15.com even exists? Or the police department is going around to every website and asking that the pictures be removed? Im confused. The optics on this are terrible. Those pictures, at one point, were all over the Internet. Now they aren’t. And we are told that it is the family driving that spring cleaning? On this site: I’ve seen two blondes get their heads cut off, Americans screaming in pain as they get shot up and killed in an ambush in Africa, an officer get murdered by a m1carbine toting psychopath, and countless, countless more. One request by a foreign agency That is the embodiment of censorship and media control of the narrative and boom. Sorry we can’t show that here. Ok then. |
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Posted: 8/12/2019 12:44:14 PM EST
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Is this going to be a no-go from now on? Yes I'm being serious, if it is then the COC needs to be updated to reflect it. Will we have to think twice about posting pictures from terror attacks/ mass shooting/ plane crashes/ etc because we might get a time-out due to not respecting the privacy of those involved in these accidents? How are we suppose to know what pictures are acceptable and which are not? I'm not trying to be a smart ass, I just want clarification. I'm trying to follow the COC of this forum which after these events has become confusing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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and that is relevant why? we have members of the Metropolitan Police Dept here FYI. I am baffled by the reaction of some folks here to a simple request to edit out some pics.. anyway. It's done, an explanation was given. some people don't want to accept it..no problem. don't agree with it..no problem the problem arises when they intentionally disrupt the forum because of it.. we are fixing that problem. Your actions benefit no one but the people in charge that want to pretend that there is no problem with this mass immigration from Muslim countries. Sadiq Kahn thanks you. Will we have to think twice about posting pictures from terror attacks/ mass shooting/ plane crashes/ etc because we might get a time-out due to not respecting the privacy of those involved in these accidents? How are we suppose to know what pictures are acceptable and which are not? I'm not trying to be a smart ass, I just want clarification. I'm trying to follow the COC of this forum which after these events has become confusing. If a member who lost a family member in those attacks asked for videos of the event to be removed would the website be respectful of that family's wishes? |
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Posted: 8/12/2019 12:44:30 PM EST
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Not good, not bad.
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Posted: 8/12/2019 12:44:36 PM EST
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Posted: 8/12/2019 12:44:38 PM EST
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It's because of who made the request and what they represent, and site staff complying with their request is tacit approval and endorsement of that representation. |
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Posted: 8/12/2019 12:44:42 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm all for banning trolls and members with repeated blatant COC violations, but now it seems any questioning of unpopular mod/staff actions = trolling. The "never wrong" attitude is driving good members away and y'all would do well to have some humility when actions you take are perceived as wrong by a large majority of the membership. you see the problem is..some members don't care why we did what we did..and any explanation we offer will be ignored.. those folks usually have a very long list of warnings or account locks.. If I make a mistake I own it..I don't consider editing out pics because we are asked to is a mistake. Some do..that is their prerogative. |
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Posted: 8/12/2019 12:45:15 PM EST
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It's GD, a bit more than usual, but same old same old. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Oh, ducky. The place has gone all "us vs. them" with moderation. It's going swimmingly. |
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Posted: 8/12/2019 12:45:25 PM EST
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The site was sold to Sylvan.
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Posted: 8/12/2019 12:45:39 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Considering that we are talking about a government and police force that is threatening charges to those who make fun of a criminals hair, and that photos of this incident have been scrubbed from the vast majority of the internet, which do you think is more likely? The optics on this are terrible. Those pictures, at one point, were all over the Internet. Now they aren’t. And we are told that it is the family driving that spring cleaning? On this site: I’ve seen two blondes get their heads cut off, Americans screaming in pain as they get shot up and killed in an ambush in Africa, an officer get murdered by a m1carbine toting psychopath, and countless, countless more. One request by a foreign agency That is the embodiment of censorship and media control of the narrative and boom. Sorry we can’t show that here. Ok then. |
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Posted: 8/12/2019 12:45:47 PM EST
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They stated it came through the PD "at the families request". It was from the PD. |
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Posted: 8/12/2019 12:46:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If he felt it was up to him it would have been the same as you telling him to edit it? Maybe.....but thats the whole point. Its up to him. You are a committed mod on a gun forum. This is a big part of your everyday life. |
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Posted: 8/12/2019 12:47:57 PM EST
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any explanation we offer will be ignored |
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Posted: 8/12/2019 12:48:16 PM EST
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Weird, did someone change my avatar?
It was this a few minutes ago. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/367483/ECF5F588-2555-4B37-87DF-DEF45C231B0F-1051683.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/367483/I_m_in_danger-1051760.jpg |
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Posted: 8/12/2019 12:48:25 PM EST
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Considering that we are talking about a government and police force that is threatening charges to those who make fun of a criminals hair, and that photos of this incident have been scrubbed from the vast majority of the internet, which do you think is more likely? The optics on this are terrible. Those pictures, at one point, were all over the Internet. Now they aren’t. And we are told that it is the family driving that spring cleaning? On this site: I’ve seen two blondes get their heads cut off, Americans screaming in pain as they get shot up and killed in an ambush in Africa, an officer get murdered by a m1carbine toting psychopath, and countless, countless more. One request by a foreign agency That is the embodiment of censorship and media control of the narrative and boom. Sorry we can’t show that here. Ok then. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So the family asked the police department to ask ar15.com to remove the pictures? Or this was prompted by the police department without the officers family even knowing ar15.com even exists? Or the police department is going around to every website and asking that the pictures be removed? Im confused. The optics on this are terrible. Those pictures, at one point, were all over the Internet. Now they aren’t. And we are told that it is the family driving that spring cleaning? On this site: I’ve seen two blondes get their heads cut off, Americans screaming in pain as they get shot up and killed in an ambush in Africa, an officer get murdered by a m1carbine toting psychopath, and countless, countless more. One request by a foreign agency That is the embodiment of censorship and media control of the narrative and boom. Sorry we can’t show that here. Ok then. 
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Posted: 8/12/2019 12:48:31 PM EST
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It's GD, a bit more than usual, but same old same old. |
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Posted: 8/12/2019 12:48:47 PM EST
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I have been saying for years Britain is circling the bowl and have given up what Churchill and the rest fought so hard to protect. Did that play a part in my decision..nope. How do you know the family didn't contact them? |
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Posted: 8/12/2019 12:48:48 PM EST
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the problem would arise when someone asks why he edited them out, he replies "a mod asked me to because the police dept asked them to"..and we end up exactly where we are now. we edit posts here all the time without contacting the person that posted it.. |
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Posted: 8/12/2019 12:49:14 PM EST
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we, I have zero problem being asked why we did something and explaining it. you see the problem is..some members don't care why we did what we did..and any explanation we offer will be ignored.. those folks usually have a very long list of warnings or account locks.. If I make a mistake I own it..I don't consider editing out pics because we are asked to is a mistake. Some do..that is their prerogative. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I'm all for banning trolls and members with repeated blatant COC violations, but now it seems any questioning of unpopular mod/staff actions = trolling. The "never wrong" attitude is driving good members away and y'all would do well to have some humility when actions you take are perceived as wrong by a large majority of the membership. you see the problem is..some members don't care why we did what we did..and any explanation we offer will be ignored.. those folks usually have a very long list of warnings or account locks.. If I make a mistake I own it..I don't consider editing out pics because we are asked to is a mistake. Some do..that is their prerogative. I'll go on record as someone without a long list of bad offences as being absolutely, 100% against what was done. I think it was completely wrong and it has undermined this site. Period. I also don't buy the line that the only response would be to tell those inquiring to pound sand. A respectful response was easily possible. |
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Posted: 8/12/2019 12:49:42 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’d like to take this time to ask out of respect to my family that if I’m ever injured or killed while doing my job (or old age) that you delete any pictures or videos. I for one do not want any pictures that make me look fat or stories that make me sound stupid to be shared. |
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Posted: 8/12/2019 12:49:42 PM EST
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When we first found out that Brownells was buying the site I said that I expected that the site would start shedding paying members within a year. I still think that's true. Of course it's based on my personal experiences with corporate take overs, which have all be negative. So, grain of salt and all that. My own membership comes due next month, and unless someone can convince me why I should give Brownells that money, specially now that we've seen that the Mayor of London and his anti free speech enforcement arm seems to have leverage here, I probably won't be renewing. Funny isn't it, that the NRA and the largest firearm and pro 2A message board on the internet both seem to be hemorrhaging membership at the same time? I find it a curious coincidence. But since I don't believe in conspiracy theories, I'll just go with coincidence. |
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Posted: 8/12/2019 12:49:46 PM EST
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 Attached FileSorry I had to do it don't hurt me plz. |
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Posted: 8/12/2019 12:50:04 PM EST
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We’re getting shutdown soon.
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Posted: 8/12/2019 12:50:06 PM EST
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Considering that we are talking about a government and police force that is threatening charges to those who make fun of a criminals hair, and that photos of this incident have been scrubbed from the vast majority of the internet, which do you think is more likely? The optics on this are terrible. Those pictures, at one point, were all over the Internet. Now they aren’t. And we are told that it is the family driving that spring cleaning? On this site: I’ve seen two blondes get their heads cut off, Americans screaming in pain as they get shot up and killed in an ambush in Africa, an officer get murdered by a m1carbine toting psychopath, and countless, countless more. One request by a foreign agency That is the embodiment of censorship and media control of the narrative and boom. Sorry we can’t show that here. Ok then. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So the family asked the police department to ask ar15.com to remove the pictures? Or this was prompted by the police department without the officers family even knowing ar15.com even exists? Or the police department is going around to every website and asking that the pictures be removed? Im confused. The optics on this are terrible. Those pictures, at one point, were all over the Internet. Now they aren’t. And we are told that it is the family driving that spring cleaning? On this site: I’ve seen two blondes get their heads cut off, Americans screaming in pain as they get shot up and killed in an ambush in Africa, an officer get murdered by a m1carbine toting psychopath, and countless, countless more. One request by a foreign agency That is the embodiment of censorship and media control of the narrative and boom. Sorry we can’t show that here. Ok then. It's not what was done, or censored. I understand that. It's who it was done for. Do you really expect us to believe that it was a request by the family? Come on. Next you'll expect me to believe Epstein committed suicide. The metropolitan police are actively pushing censorship on every level. Just a kin to any socialist/communist country - they can do no wrong. Yet, we're expected to believe this was just an 'innocent family request' - riiiiiiight. Sure it was. |
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Posted: 8/12/2019 12:50:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Please tell me you're not seriously that naive about what's going on I took the e-mail at face value..like I do with every e-mail I receive, every fund raiser request I receive,etc. |
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Posted: 8/12/2019 12:50:24 PM EST
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Unlock the thread and repost the picture on the officer with his face blurred out. That would appease a lot of the members here and still protect the privacy of the officer
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Posted: 8/12/2019 12:50:26 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've been here for years and I have zero account locks and technically zero warnings (I was given a warning once, but apparently when I inquired it was misdirected at me but not idea if it's still on my account). I'll go on record as someone without a long list of bad offences as being absolutely, 100% against what was done. I think it was completely wrong and it has undermined this site. Period. I also don't buy the line that the only response would be to tell those inquiring to pound sand. A respectful response was easily possible. |
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Posted: 8/12/2019 12:50:58 PM EST
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No, take a look through the locked threads. It's not the same people who like to complain about everything. Yes, some of them, but it's a broader group of membership. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: Oh, ducky. The place has gone all "us vs. them" with moderation. It's going swimmingly. Brownells is taking over, how will things change (is this part of it?) The recent shootings and talk of bans and UBC. People are on edge. GD gets a wiff of something strange and paranoia spreads outside of the "usual suspects." Like corn for dinner, this too shall pass. |
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Posted: 8/12/2019 12:51:09 PM EST
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um..ooooookay.To me, you made a horrible decision and I would like to know if you don't understand the backlash. Or, if you do, you can't admit that you made a mistake or if you believe that you were 100% correct? If the same situation comes up again will you make the same decision? Maybe it is an American thing, but I am ashamed and disgusted by your decision and I'm sorry you cannot understand our frustration. |
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Posted: 8/12/2019 12:51:27 PM EST
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This was the first time I can remember that we were contacted by someone (third party) and asked to edit out pics. It was done out of respect..period. No hidden agenda..no input from Brownells.. The only hard and fat rule we've ever had here was that no pictures of wounded or dead American soldiers be posted..and that a *graphic* warning be put in the thread title. So no..you have nothing to worry about. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Is this going to be a no-go from now on? Yes I'm being serious, if it is then the COC needs to be updated to reflect it. Will we have to think twice about posting pictures from terror attacks/ mass shooting/ plane crashes/ etc because we might get a time-out due to not respecting the privacy of those involved in these accidents? How are we suppose to know what pictures are acceptable and which are not? I'm not trying to be a smart ass, I just want clarification. I'm trying to follow the COC of this forum which after these events has become confusing. The only hard and fat rule we've ever had here was that no pictures of wounded or dead American soldiers be posted..and that a *graphic* warning be put in the thread title. So no..you have nothing to worry about. |
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Posted: 8/12/2019 12:51:37 PM EST
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the problem would arise when someone asks why he edited them out, he replies "a mod asked me to because the police dept asked them to"..and we end up exactly where we are now. we edit posts here all the time without contacting the person that posted it.. We're not talking about tits and ass or too much camel toe in the yoga pants thread. If you don't see how this sets a precedent for future actions by this site and staff, then the loss in members is well deserved. |
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Posted: 8/12/2019 12:51:39 PM EST
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@striker Machete attacks in london, violence in mexico, war in the middle ease, these are all problems and it does a dis-service to the world to hide it from anyones eyes, something about sunlight being the best disinfectant. You wot mate? Never bleedin' heard of such a carry on, gor blimey guvnor....just nipping out to make sure it's still raining & foul the pavement....luv a duck |
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Posted: 8/12/2019 12:52:20 PM EST
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I would have blurred out the guys face a little out of respect and told the British this is the best they get. That would have been a respectful action. I get both sides but ever since our forefathers kicked their asses, they have no sway here. Now the thread is gone and their quest of erasing the event is one step closer to complete. |
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Posted: 8/12/2019 12:53:05 PM EST
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um..ooooookay.a.) The families are disturbed by bloody pictures of their injured family member and ask the Met Police to see if they can get them removed. b.) The leadership of the Met Police and the City of London are embarrassed by the fact that significant parts of London are turning in to third world hellholes and they now have a real problem with Islamic terrorism on an ongoing basis. Let me help you out. The answer is b.) |
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Posted: 8/12/2019 12:53:17 PM EST
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For over a decade I have known this forum as one of the few places on the internet conservatives could openly express their opinions without censorship. I saw the mods stick up for the members and the content of their speech many times. And it was glorious.
But more and more frequently over the years I have seen mods force someone to change the content of their speech. And I am only referring to non-COC violating speech. This has happened through edits, locks, bans, and nukes. Say anything you want until a mod is having a bad day and WHAMMY. You're gone for some period of time. Solely for an opinion that is completely within the COC. If a mod doesn't like it, they'll accuse you of stirring the pot and give you a warning. Now, there is no denying that there are absolute trolls here. Mods should have tools to easily find them. Its on the owners if mods do t have those tools at their disposal. But many of the cases are not trolls. They are not patterned behaviors. They're merely someone expressing their opinion. And they are getting censored because of the content of their speech. Its a sad time for this site. |
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Posted: 8/12/2019 12:53:32 PM EST
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no hidden agenda here..In England..who knows..it wouldn't surprise me one bit.. I took the e-mail at face value..like I do with every e-mail I receive, every fund raiser request I receive,etc. |
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Posted: 8/12/2019 12:53:38 PM EST
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Wow,,just wow. thetreeoflibertyforums is what you seek now.
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Posted: 8/12/2019 12:53:43 PM EST
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the problem would arise when someone asks why he edited them out, he replies "a mod asked me to because the police dept asked them to"..and we end up exactly where we are now. we edit posts here all the time without contacting the person that posted it.. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: If he felt it was up to him it would have been the same as you telling him to edit it? Maybe.....but thats the whole point. Its up to him. You are a committed mod on a gun forum. This is a big part of your everyday life. |
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