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Posted: 2/24/2016 10:57:12 AM EDT
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In before the naysayers with, "That's not what it means..." 
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Luke 22:36 King James Version (KJV) Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. I'd tell her that her God wants me to be able to defend myself from violence perpetrated by other men.  In before the naysayers with, "That's not what it means..."
They could try, but they'd be wrong. 
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Posted: 2/24/2016 11:00:06 AM EDT
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Quoted: I would say it's safe to say most if not all of us have heard every argument to the gun debate on both sides. We are all very well informed. A specific person in my family who is a female has come out and said "I would rather be raped over and over again than take somebody's life."  This came out in a 2 hour debate we had while on the way home from being out of town. The argument that was made was: Guns only have one purpose which is to kill, whether that be in self defense or not which again, we can all agree on. Of course we say that guns are used in self defense of life and property etc. Anyways, this person kept asking "wouldn't you rather be beaten up or stabbed rather than shot?" Implying that you have a better chance of survival after being stabbed or beaten. This female is a christian and basically said that since she is saved she'd rather have the person who in this scenario is trying to kill/rape/beat whatever live to possibly be saved. I'm a believe in Christ but I can not for one second believe this is what our creator would want us to do. Lay down our life without an attempt to defend ourselves from someone who is trying to kill us so that they might be saved. And because I don't agree with this I'm a bad person and all I care about is myself. lol I know a lot of you aren't religious and that's cool, that is not what this is about. I just can't believe someone could possibly have this train of thought. Anyways, just when you thought you've heard it all. Maybe she doesn't realize that rape doesn't exclude the possibility of murder. In fact it makes it a greater possibility. |
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Posted: 2/24/2016 11:08:35 AM EDT
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But would she stand there with a gun in her hand and watch while someone rapes one of her children? If she would rather be a victim, that's fine, but if she's ok with that happening to others, she worse than the rapist. |
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Posted: 2/24/2016 11:17:49 AM EDT
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I saw sentiments like this circulating around Facebook last year, it's the new approach used by the anti-gun crew. Make guns seem un-Christian and attempt to separate the religious crowd from the pro-gun crowd, which are usually pretty closely allied.
It's a desperate tactic but they are running out of ideas as their usual misinformation and lies aren't doing the trick anymore. |
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Posted: 2/24/2016 11:47:38 AM EDT
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I imagine this just an ideology that will be the first to go in an actual SHTF scenario and survival mode kicks.
Pointless to debate someone like this. Just smile and nod. Maybe...she just likes rape? |
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Posted: 2/24/2016 12:28:06 PM EDT
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I have a co-worker just like that. He was a jesus freak back in the 60's and is completely into his religion. Every break he is studying the bible, or books about the bible.
He said that he would never use a gun to protect himself or his family. God with protect him, and if he doesn't it is because god feels he needs to go through that. So it's all in god's hands. If he is killed, or has to watch his wife and daughter be raped before being killed it's god's will. |
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Posted: 2/24/2016 12:54:13 PM EDT
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The thing is though, the selfish part is entirely applicable. What she's saying is that she'd prefer that other people be raped over and over rather than have the rapist get shot, because people getting shot offends her sensibilities. That's incredibly selfish of her. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Good for her. I can understand her preference to be harmed rather than to inflict harm. But tell her that by attempting to deny others the option of protecting themselves, she's being a selfish cunt. As can I, it's very noble to an extent and I also told her that without the cunt part. It's wrong to deny others the ability to adequately defend themselves. Yep. Makes her feel all warm and fuzzy inside to tell herself that her strength of faith is greater than her sense of self preservation. I hope she is never tested on that. |
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Posted: 2/24/2016 2:16:29 PM EDT
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When she calls the cops for protection, they come carrying *gasp* guns! Does she die everytime she interacts with LEO?
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Posted: 2/24/2016 2:29:44 PM EDT
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non-religious here. However, I am skeptical that letting someone rape you is the way to bring people to Christ.
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Posted: 2/24/2016 2:36:16 PM EDT
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Well, that's her choice I guess. My choice would be to shoot any scumbag that attempted to do any of said actions to my family or myself.
Thanks to our founders for the constitution we both have choice. |
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Posted: 2/24/2016 2:36:49 PM EDT
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Is it time to repost this?
A Nation of Cowards http://www.rkba.org/comment/cowards.html |
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Posted: 2/24/2016 2:45:54 PM EDT
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She is ignorant and delusional.
Show here the details of the Christian/Newsome torture/rape/murders as well as the doctor's family raped and burned to death in Connecticut. Then explain that there is a segment of the population who hold the belief that if someone is trying to take away their right to defend themselves and their families with the best means possible, they will defend that right up to and including killing those trying to take it away. |
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Posted: 2/24/2016 2:49:34 PM EDT
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sounds like whomever she is, she's a slut.
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Posted: 2/24/2016 2:53:54 PM EDT
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I don't think I would feel bad. I think I would be angry for them making me do it, and the inconvenience it would most likely cause. And the concern that there was someone out there that did care enough about them for revenge. And my hearing. When all they had to do was not fuck with people. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If I were threatened with murder or rape, I would feel bad every time I pulled the trigger. And I would eventually get over it. I'd have beer and go to bed. Hopefully that would do it. Meh. I'd just feel recoil. Or maybe not, depending on the adrenaline. I don't think I would feel bad. I think I would be angry for them making me do it, and the inconvenience it would most likely cause. And the concern that there was someone out there that did care enough about them for revenge. And my hearing. When all they had to do was not fuck with people. I have been in the situation where I was pointing a 1911 at a guy advancing on me, safety off, squeezing the trigger. Thankfully, he stopped in the last millimeter of trigger travel. Didn't bother me at the time at all. Cold as ice. However, it bothered me something fierce a few months later. Hit me in the shower while I was getting ready to go to work. Still bothers me from time to time. I didn't do anything wrong - in fact I was doing the right thing. However, crossing that line to where you *KNOW*, no bullshit, that you would have killed someone has consequences- at least for me. |
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Posted: 2/24/2016 2:54:12 PM EDT
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That's a reasonable position to hold IMO, here's why it's wrong.
Guns aren't just about stopping the rape that's happening to you right now. An armed populace prevents all the horrors a disarmed populace must endure. It's the same as the CCW argument, it's why CCW is superior to open carry. The potential of armed resistance protects everyone, even the pacifists. |
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Posted: 2/24/2016 2:59:32 PM EDT
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When it comes to me being killed or some shit stain, better him than me. God is a forgiving God.
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Posted: 2/24/2016 3:03:05 PM EDT
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Maybe killing your attacker would prevent crimes like this from happening to those you love or random strangers.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheshire,_Connecticut,_home_invasion_murders https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Channon_Christian_and_Christopher_Newsom Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 2/24/2016 3:08:03 PM EDT
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This female is a christian and basically said that since she is saved she'd rather have the person who in this scenario is trying to kill/rape/beat whatever live to possibly be saved. . Then she is a good christian with real faith. In the christian faith being saved is the only thing that really matters in the big picture, everything else is small potatoes. A sincere christian should be exclusively concerned with helping others become saved. Rape, murder, robbery etc are not things to worry about. That's the truth of it. |
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Posted: 2/24/2016 3:12:31 PM EDT
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to each his or her own, but to let her rapist go, if he doesn't kill her, to move on and possibly rape and harm others, doesn't seem all that christian to me, but I am slightly different
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Posted: 2/24/2016 3:14:32 PM EDT
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Everybody's got a fetish
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Posted: 2/24/2016 3:16:48 PM EDT
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Cool. Well I wouldn't. So fuck off. |
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Posted: 2/24/2016 3:20:01 PM EDT
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My pastor carries a .45. Guess that makes him a bad man.
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Posted: 2/24/2016 3:20:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: eye-for-an-eye, mother fuckers. 
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Posted: 2/24/2016 3:26:43 PM EDT
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Well, if a person strictly follows the teachings of Christ, they should never use violence for self defense.
Of course, that depends if you are a believer in "my kingdom will be inherited by the meek, turn the other cheek, put up they sword" Jesus, or a believer in "He delivered the them into the hands of the Hebrews, and all were put to the sword" Abrahamic God, and you are allowed to cherry pick depending on what you want to justify. |
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Posted: 2/24/2016 3:28:25 PM EDT
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Then she is a good christian with real faith. In the christian faith being saved is the only thing that really matters in the big picture, everything else is small potatoes. A sincere christian should be exclusively concerned with helping others become saved. Rape, murder, robbery etc are not things to worry about. That's the truth of it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This female is a christian and basically said that since she is saved she'd rather have the person who in this scenario is trying to kill/rape/beat whatever live to possibly be saved. . Then she is a good christian with real faith. In the christian faith being saved is the only thing that really matters in the big picture, everything else is small potatoes. A sincere christian should be exclusively concerned with helping others become saved. Rape, murder, robbery etc are not things to worry about. That's the truth of it. Wrong. 1 Corinthians 6:19 Psalm 82:4 Proverbs 24:11 Ezekiel 33 |
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Posted: 2/24/2016 3:40:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have a co-worker just like that. He was a jesus freak back in the 60's and is completely into his religion. Every break he is studying the bible, or books about the bible. He said that he would never use a gun to protect himself or his family. God with protect him, and if he doesn't it is because god feels he needs to go through that. So it's all in god's hands. If he is killed, or has to watch his wife and daughter be raped before being killed it's god's will. |
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Posted: 2/24/2016 3:47:29 PM EDT
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You can't reason with people like that.
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Posted: 2/24/2016 3:55:31 PM EDT
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Luke 22:36 King James Version (KJV) Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. I'd tell her that her God wants me to be able to defend myself from violence perpetrated by other men. IIRC that would have been against Roman law at the time. Rome took a dim view of arming non-Romans and while Judea was a Roman province, I doubt Jesus and his followers were Roman citizens. Lets get to selling Crye jackets and making auto sears. Deus vult!
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Posted: 2/24/2016 4:04:38 PM EDT
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Tell her that The Bible wants her to arm herself: Yep. I've studied enough into the Bible to know if I ever were forced to take a life to protect mine or my family's, that it is justified. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Tell her that The Bible wants her to arm herself: Beat your plowshares into swords, and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong. Joel 3:10 Yep. I've studied enough into the Bible to know if I ever were forced to take a life to protect mine or my family's, that it is justified. This is a prophecy of Joel of the end times. Not really applicable when quoted in proper context. From the Prophet Joel, 3rd chapter
10 - Beat your plowshares into swords and your pruning hooks into spears. Let the weakling say, “I am strong!” 11 - Come quickly, all you nations from every side, and assemble there. Bring down your warriors, Lord! 12 “Let the nations be roused; let them advance into the Valley of Jehoshaphat, for there I will sit to judge all the nations on every side. 13 Swing the sickle, for the harvest is ripe. Come, trample the grapes, for the winepress is full and the vats overflow—so great is their wickedness!” 14 Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision! For the day of the Lord is near in the valley of decision. |
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Posted: 2/24/2016 4:21:18 PM EDT
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"I would rather be raped over and over again than take somebody's life."
Has she ever experienced either? |
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Posted: 2/24/2016 5:33:45 PM EDT
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Well one thing seems certain. She's not getting enough dick.
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Posted: 2/24/2016 5:38:46 PM EDT
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I would say it's safe to say most if not all of us have heard every argument to the gun debate on both sides. We are all very well informed. A specific person in my family who is a female has come out and said "I would rather be raped over and over again than take somebody's life."
This came out in a 2 hour debate we had while on the way home from being out of town. The argument that was made was: Guns only have one purpose which is to kill, whether that be in self defense or not which again, we can all agree on. Of course we say that guns are used in self defense of life and property etc. Anyways, this person kept asking "wouldn't you rather be beaten up or stabbed rather than shot?" Implying that you have a better chance of survival after being stabbed or beaten. This female is a christian and basically said that since she is saved she'd rather have the person who in this scenario is trying to kill/rape/beat whatever live to possibly be saved. I'm a believe in Christ but I can not for one second believe this is what our creator would want us to do. Lay down our life without an attempt to defend ourselves from someone who is trying to kill us so that they might be saved. And because I don't agree with this I'm a bad person and all I care about is myself. lol I know a lot of you aren't religious and that's cool, that is not what this is about. I just can't believe someone could possibly have this train of thought. Anyways, just when you thought you've heard it all. I am also a Christian. I've had an ongoing conversation with Jesus that goes something like this, "Jesus, I love you and I know that it is your will that none should perish. You've searched me and you know my heart. You know that I do not desire to ever take a life, but will not hesitate to do so if my life or a loved one's life is in immediate danger and lethal action is necessary." It's my prayer that someone who may do harm to me or loved ones in the future come to a saving knowledge of Christ; that they will repent and take the path that leads away from sin and their demise before it ever comes to lethal action. In the case of your family member, if someone was trying to rape me, chances are they've had several missed opportunities to repent and obviously didn't. They made their choice. Grave choices have grave consequences. Has this female ever read the old testament?? King David received the highest compliment of a man being after God's own heart... and he slaughtered entire civilizations! |
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Posted: 2/24/2016 5:48:55 PM EDT
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Lots of .
I would rather be shot than stabbed. yep, stabbings are nasty 
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Posted: 2/24/2016 5:51:32 PM EDT
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Maybe if she pees herself the rapist will just go away.
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Posted: 2/24/2016 5:56:05 PM EDT
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This female is a christian and basically said that since she is saved she'd rather have the person who in this scenario is trying to kill/rape/beat whatever live to possibly be saved. Does she think that the government should ban guns? How does she think the government bans things? It uses force. The government sends LEOs to enforce the law, and they will use violence, up to and including lethal force, to obtain compliance. If you believe in gun control, you believe in the government taking a life to enforce gun control. |
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Posted: 2/24/2016 5:58:54 PM EDT
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It is not uncommon for a woman to orgasm during rape.(seriously look that shit up if you think I'm Making it up). So she may be telling the truth orgasm after orgasm doesn't sound that bad. you have no idea what a rape is or what it is about. I've seen rape victims. rape ain't sex. the victims are usual beat pretty severely, sometime within inches of their lives. rape is a violent act. |
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Posted: 2/24/2016 6:01:32 PM EDT
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My pastor carries a .45. Guess that makes him a bad man. Is your pastor's name Mark? I might know him lol. |
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Posted: 2/24/2016 6:01:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Cool. Well I wouldn't. So fuck off. |
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Posted: 2/24/2016 6:20:20 PM EDT
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She chooses, of her own free will, to do that. I choose, of my own free will, to shoot the cocksucker attempting it. She's happy with her choice, I'm happy with mine. The sticking point is, will she remain happy should her choice become reality? Because mine will.
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Posted: 2/24/2016 6:34:43 PM EDT
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Any "Saved Christian" that has OP's family member's attitude (rather be raped than harm someone else) is holding God's greatest gift in contempt. That gift? HER LIFE. So she'd let someone rape her rather than harm him? What if he intended to kill her afterward? What if he intended to keep raping and killing other women? I'd flat out tell her that if she did not protect herself from said rapist, she would be a proximate cause of his future crimes. And I would remind her that she's really, REALLY holding God's greatest gift to her in contempt. Well said. Evil must be stopped, lest it be allowed to continue and affect/inflict others. Christ cast out the demons from every single possessed person he encountered. |
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Posted: 2/24/2016 6:40:17 PM EDT
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Hell, send her on over here then.
Just joking. It was the first thing that popped into my mind. |
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Posted: 2/24/2016 6:40:45 PM EDT
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Anyways, this person kept asking "wouldn't you rather be beaten up or stabbed rather than shot?" Implying that you have a better chance of survival after being stabbed or beaten.
She's never seen images of knife wounds I bet. She's probably thinking it's all hollywood where it's a pretty cut that you just shrug off and walk away from like those actions heroes do. I got to see some really nasty ones from my security training on my last ship. It was to remind us to not discount knife threats. And the image I remember was one where the officer walked away from (kinda)... it was a long snaking gouge down his back where he's lucky it didn't cut into his spine. but libtards are going to libtard |
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Posted: 2/24/2016 6:45:52 PM EDT
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I wonder if her position would change if her viewpoint, name and address were plastered across social media?
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Posted: 2/24/2016 6:51:40 PM EDT
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I would say it's safe to say most if not all of us have heard every argument to the gun debate on both sides. We are all very well informed. A specific person in my family who is a female has come out and said "I would rather be raped over and over again than take somebody's life."
This came out in a 2 hour debate we had while on the way home from being out of town. The argument that was made was: Guns only have one purpose which is to kill, whether that be in self defense or not which again, we can all agree on. Of course we say that guns are used in self defense of life and property etc. Anyways, this person kept asking "wouldn't you rather be beaten up or stabbed rather than shot?" Implying that you have a better chance of survival after being stabbed or beaten. This female is a christian and basically said that since she is saved she'd rather have the person who in this scenario is trying to kill/rape/beat whatever live to possibly be saved. I'm a believe in Christ but I can not for one second believe this is what our creator would want us to do. Lay down our life without an attempt to defend ourselves from someone who is trying to kill us so that they might be saved. And because I don't agree with this I'm a bad person and all I care about is myself. lol I know a lot of you aren't religious and that's cool, that is not what this is about. I just can't believe someone could possibly have this train of thought. Anyways, just when you thought you've heard it all. For what it's worth, my preacher carries a Glock 36...everyday.
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Posted: 2/24/2016 6:52:48 PM EDT
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you have no idea what a rape is or what it is about. I've seen rape victims. rape ain't sex. the victims are usual beat pretty severely, sometime within inches of their lives. rape is a violent act. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It is not uncommon for a woman to orgasm during rape.(seriously look that shit up if you think I'm Making it up). So she may be telling the truth orgasm after orgasm doesn't sound that bad. you have no idea what a rape is or what it is about. I've seen rape victims. rape ain't sex. the victims are usual beat pretty severely, sometime within inches of their lives. rape is a violent act. It is true that women often report being aroused or having an orgasm. There is a wide range of what is defined as rape. There are women who bleed to death after gang rapes. Rape is sex as well as a violent act. |
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Posted: 2/24/2016 6:54:11 PM EDT
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She's never seen images of knife wounds I bet. I think her point is she is saved so it is better for her to die than her unsaved attacker. |
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Posted: 2/24/2016 6:54:20 PM EDT
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I would say it's safe to say most if not all of us have heard every argument to the gun debate on both sides. We are all very well informed. A specific person in my family who is a female has come out and said "I would rather be raped over and over again than take somebody's life."
This came out in a 2 hour debate we had while on the way home from being out of town. The argument that was made was: Guns only have one purpose which is to kill, whether that be in self defense or not which again, we can all agree on. Of course we say that guns are used in self defense of life and property etc. Anyways, this person kept asking "wouldn't you rather be beaten up or stabbed rather than shot?" Implying that you have a better chance of survival after being stabbed or beaten. This female is a christian and basically said that since she is saved she'd rather have the person who in this scenario is trying to kill/rape/beat whatever live to possibly be saved. I'm a believe in Christ but I can not for one second believe this is what our creator would want us to do. Lay down our life without an attempt to defend ourselves from someone who is trying to kill us so that they might be saved. And because I don't agree with this I'm a bad person and all I care about is myself. lol I know a lot of you aren't religious and that's cool, that is not what this is about. I just can't believe someone could possibly have this train of thought. Anyways, just when you thought you've heard it all. Yep. I was talkin to a girl a few years back and got on the topic of guns. She said she'd never be okay with a boyfriend who CCW'd. I asked what about a group of guys up to no good trying to rob/rape/kill her and her bf? She said she'd rather be raped repeatedly or gangraped rather than her bf carry a gun. Needless to say, we didn't really talk much after that and sure as fuck didn't date. She was a farm girl too, on the path to Vet school. 
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Posted: 2/24/2016 6:55:43 PM EDT
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Ask her what she would do if instead of her it were her relatives that she were watching being raped or murdered what then?
My mom used this same argument with me and I asked her this question. She claims to be a pacifist. The story changed when it was my daughters. This is why women suck as leaders, they have very little loyalty to principals or people as a rule. Whatever in their pretty little heads they equate the tribe of other women doing is what they value. Never the hard choices. |
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Posted: 2/24/2016 7:01:47 PM EDT
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Says the woman who has never been raped, stabbed or beaten. High and lofty moral judgements are always easy from the comfort of a Lazy Boy or a cozy sedan with locked doors and air conditioning motoring along the interstate at 70 mph gazing out at the peaceful scenery. Much like the couch commando who wants to be in battle and has never seen a dying man or a person's guts strewn across the ground. Both are quick to change their minds and wish they were elsewhere when the raping, beating, stabbing and killing starts.
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Posted: 2/24/2016 7:02:34 PM EDT
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Ask her what she would do if instead of her it were her relatives that she were watching being raped or murdered what then? My mom used this same argument with me and I asked her this question. She claims to be a pacifist. The story changed when it was my daughters. This is why women suck as leaders, they have very little loyalty to principals or people as a rule. Whatever in their pretty little heads they equate the tribe of other women doing is what they value. Never the hard choices. Pacifism only works in a well ordered society protected by well armed men. |
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