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Posted: 6/3/2019 7:56:40 PM EST

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Which also probably means no more annual member giveaways. I mean why would industry give away free product on their competitors own dedicated forum.

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Geeez, give it a break!

Your posts -in this thread- have been one possibility after another of what could go wrong or affect the site in a negative way

If anyone has seen the movie :Bridge of Spies,which is based on a true story, a spy for the USSR caught by the FBI and imprisoned is asked twice by his lawyer (paraphrased):
"your life is in danger of being terminated for being a spy and you don't seem to be worried at all". The spy's answer is something I have always remembered and tried to apply when things -in my imagination- could go wrong.

His answer is: would it help?

Therefore, stop worrying and coming up with negative possibilities of this venture. If for no other reason than because: "it won't help"

Posted: 6/3/2019 7:56:45 PM EST

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This is a clever ploy by the Brownells to acquire all the data TheRealGurkaDin has harvested.

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Posted: 6/3/2019 7:57:19 PM EST

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Posted: 6/3/2019 7:58:34 PM EST

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Posted: 6/3/2019 7:59:41 PM EST

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Well crap. Every gun board that I've ever belong to that was sold to a larger organization turned to crap.

Hope that doesn't happen here.

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Posted: 6/3/2019 8:02:15 PM EST

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What are the screen names for the members of 2nd adventure group and how long have they been members?

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Posted: 6/3/2019 8:02:20 PM EST

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Brownells has no control over ARFCOM, it's 2nd Adventure, so only those in the controlling entity are going to be a voice on things. As for a poison pill, hmmm. It's setup to allow us shared decision making. They want this to succeed and us to be involved. This isn't us running away with money or them trying to push control for their own purposes. We all want the same thing here. ARFCOM is an important place. You all are what make this community special and why we fight so hard for the 2A community. This is not an end, but a beginning. I've said it a few times and I really believe it. I have been around buyouts before and this is different. How it plays out will be determined in the coming years, but I hope that we prove that two companies with like minded folks can make it work for everyone's benefit.

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You’ve worked very hard for many years building this platform. For many of us, it’s become our go-to social media. I’m glad to see you benefiting from your labor.

However you guys structured the deal isn’t our business. Reading between the lines, it sounds like there are performance incentives that make it worth staying engaged with the site for future growth. IMO, that’s a good strategy instead of a heavily front-weighted deal that clear-cuts the forest and sends the old boss out on his golden trash can.

Posted: 6/3/2019 8:02:26 PM EST

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Ok I will try to be as clear as I can. 2nd Adventure Group now owns AR15.Com. They also own Brownells, and this was not a Brownells purchase.

"Invested in each other" means that the contract is setup so that 2nd Adventure Group needs the Avila family to stay involved and continue to grow and advance not just ARFCOM, but future projects which may not fall directly under the ARFCOM brand. (Related project, just not ARFCOM projects.) We will continue to manage and run the site and sign off on changes which could alter the site. (Either positively or negatively. Referencing your "big say on changes" portion.) In turn, we need 2nd group to invest in us in the future, for some of these projects. Be it time, resources, money, whatever it takes to get the job done. We took a risk and they took a risk. If things work out, it's great for both sides, so that is our goal. In short, the deal is setup to be a shared risk and encourage involvement and growth. They want to see ARFCOM grow and flourish and all our plans for the site were welcomed. We also had some outside interests which also were welcomed and are on the table for discussion. While we know we wont get support on everything we want to do, the plan is to grow and continue growing where it makes sense.

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I have lived thorough some major changes in my career. Some of them were excellent improvements. Some of them were nonsensical changes that only benefitted the powers that rammed the changes down our throats. Some of them were spectacular failures.

All of the changers had to deal with the people who were resistant to change. The most resistance came when the changers told us how great this new thing was going to be, and even why, but didn't give us the hard details of what the changes were.

If you're going to give me a new machine, I don't just want to hear about how much better it is than the old machine. I don't just want to hear why it's better. I want to what every nut, bolt, gear, pin, bearing, and base plate of prefamulated amulite does, and I want you to let me decide if it's better. If it's better, you won't even need to explain to me why it's better, I'll see it. And I'll get on board with it. But if it's like buttons and reputation points and crazy facespace crap like that, you're going to alienate some people.

I know you probably can't give us specifics right now, but the sooner you can, the quicker you'll get people on board and squash the nay-sayers.

As for the part in red that I highlighted in your post, if things DON'T work out and it's NOT great for our side, what's the fall back position? Is there one? Because the greatest thing about the spectacular failures I mentioned earlier was Charlie Mike- continue the misson as before.

Posted: 6/3/2019 8:03:28 PM EST

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Well, isn't that something...

Posted: 6/3/2019 8:04:22 PM EST

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Sniper's Hide part 2

I pray not.

Posted: 6/3/2019 8:04:55 PM EST

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Pete just wanted the rights to the BFL.

Posted: 6/3/2019 8:04:56 PM EST

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How is Brownell’s service?

I have never used them. Their site just seemed weird or something...

Posted: 6/3/2019 8:04:57 PM EST

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Well I can always go back to FSN, even get a new username since the crash.

Posted: 6/3/2019 8:05:11 PM EST

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Would like to see this as a true community building/maintaining/improvement exercise, rather than a business venture like all the other forum buyouts. Take the business venture burden/focus off the site operators.

Not wanting to see too many "social media" tools implemented. It should be clear to everyone at this point that forums that function as community news & discussion primary sources are targets for political manipulation.

The very fact that ARFCOM has non-standardized procedures and software tools has made it difficult (although, not_impossible) to infiltrate and disrupt. I would definitely suggest keeping this the case, and in fact, pursuing the security of freedom.

Philosophically, all of the technology tools that "help" advertising dollars and client behaviour tracking (thumbs-up, APIs, likes, etc) are designed for application-layer automation, and such automation is the danger to open information flow. Infrastructure automation, not so much, have at it.

Good luck, and I hope you break the mold here. You have a scale and critical mass that could actually make a difference in the national fight for freedom. So many others have augered in after this stage, because they had big heads and $$ eyesight....

Posted: 6/3/2019 8:05:23 PM EST

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Possible new upstart complete social media platform geared towards 2A support headed up by some very experienced former owners of a very successful firearms forum on the horizon?

Posted: 6/3/2019 8:06:04 PM EST

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TBK1 IS PETE BROWNELL!!1!

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I hope with the change that Beekeeper comes back. Was a great staff member.

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TBK1 IS PETE BROWNELL!!1!

Nope.

Way off base.

Pete Brownell =

Posted: 6/3/2019 8:08:10 PM EST

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Brownells is awesome

Posted: 6/3/2019 8:08:14 PM EST

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Geeez, give it a break!

Your posts -in this thread- have been one possibility after another of what could go wrong or affect the site in a negative way

If anyone has seen the movie :Bridge of Spies,which is based on a true story, a spy for the USSR caught by the FBI and imprisoned is asked twice by his lawyer (paraphrased):
"your life is in danger of being terminated for being a spy and you don't seem to be worried at all". The spy's answer is something I have always remembered and tried to apply when things -in my imagination- could go wrong.

His answer is: would it help?

Therefore, stop worrying and coming up with negative possibilities of this venture. If for no other reason than because: "it won't help"

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Reported.

Posted: 6/3/2019 8:08:55 PM EST

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No real reason to have them now that Arfcom has corporate backing.

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Why would I pay for a membership to a business that does not benefit me?

Posted: 6/3/2019 8:09:49 PM EST

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Gonna put those in the BOTD forum too?

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That will go away. Also HOTD.

Posted: 6/3/2019 8:10:11 PM EST

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Geeez, give it a break!

Your posts -in this thread- have been one possibility after another of what could go wrong or affect the site in a negative way

If anyone has seen the movie :Bridge of Spies,which is based on a true story, a spy for the USSR caught by the FBI and imprisoned is asked twice by his lawyer (paraphrased):
"your life is in danger of being terminated for being a spy and you don't seem to be worried at all". The spy's answer is something I have always remembered and tried to apply when things -in my imagination- could go wrong.

His answer is: would it help?

Therefore, stop worrying and coming up with negative possibilities of this venture. If for no other reason than because: "it won't help"

Reported.

Posted: 6/3/2019 8:12:14 PM EST

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We probably will get a second Yugo!

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Good luck finding a nice one. I was looking for a nice rust free one for a few years to put a 3.8L Grand National engine in it. Super sleeper. Now thinking of a mid 70's AMC Pacer with a 600hp 8.3L V10.

Posted: 6/3/2019 8:12:17 PM EST

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Well, I didn't think I'd go on another adventure in my life time. I also expect to see the first monthly "interview with a 2nd A supporter" to be Donald Trump.

Posted: 6/3/2019 8:15:19 PM EST

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Which also probably means no more annual member giveaways. I mean why would industry give away free product on their competitors own dedicated forum.

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memberships going to stay the same?

No real reason to have them now that Arfcom has corporate backing.

Which also probably means no more annual member giveaways. I mean why would industry give away free product on their competitors own dedicated forum.

That's what I was thinking and getting around to

Posted: 6/3/2019 8:16:32 PM EST

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Long story short:

I said that members had been banned for NRA bashing
TBK calls me a liar
Aimless calls him on it
TBK doubles down
Aimless proves that TBK is lying
TBK resigns and logs out.

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I hope with the change that Beekeeper comes back. Was a great staff member.

What happened to Beekeeper?

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I said that members had been banned for NRA bashing
TBK calls me a liar
Aimless calls him on it
TBK doubles down
Aimless proves that TBK is lying
TBK resigns and logs out.

Aimless is awesome.

Posted: 6/3/2019 8:16:46 PM EST

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Wow

Posted: 6/3/2019 8:17:22 PM EST

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So I spent the say compiling a list of people who have started Anti-brownells threads over the years... should I post that list now or wait?

Posted: 6/3/2019 8:17:44 PM EST

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Brownells AR F(2)AG Super-PAC has a nice ring to it. Where do I send the check? And most importantly, do I get a hat, faux leather bomber jacket, and range bag?

Posted: 6/3/2019 8:18:23 PM EST

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Well crap. Every gun board that I've ever belong to that was sold to a larger organization turned to crap.

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That's been my experience with motorcycle forums. Ghost towns now.

Posted: 6/3/2019 8:18:30 PM EST

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I wonder if a stronger voice for for 2A includes tranny threads, use of the "rich and vibrant" label, Looty memes, beheading threads and the other crazy stuff that makes GD what it is.

Shit. If an anti-gunner spent two weeks cherry picking some of the stuff said here they would have a field day with gotcha quote blog headlines.

If arfcom is to be the hub of a pro 2a whateveryoucallit thats probably a good thing. If does become that it won't look anything like what it is now.

Maybe thats a positive. Guess we will see.

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That's another funny thing about this site that may have to be reconciled. In one thread, alternative lifestyles are derided as deviant behavior by mentally ill individuals, and in a tacked thread, mental illnesses are accepted and supported with advice from individuals unlicensed in the practice of psychology or psychiatry.

While I enjoy witnessing the frequent and often ridicous hypocrisy of the membership, I don't think that it aligns very well with a corporate culture that has a bent towards outreach and inclusiveness.

Posted: 6/3/2019 8:19:13 PM EST

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Why did this pop into my head as I read this thread?

Futurama - Morbo - Doom!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bbIBs0P2t0

Posted: 6/3/2019 8:19:27 PM EST

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Pic taken today from my reloading bench!

Posted: 6/3/2019 8:19:42 PM EST

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Brownell's has lost a customer.

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CUSTOM LOWERS!!!

Posted: 6/3/2019 8:20:00 PM EST

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It was inevitable. Relocate to Texas from New York and good things were bound to happen.

Congrats to The Avilas, I say.

Posted: 6/3/2019 8:20:11 PM EST

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ARfcom=The new NRA?

Hmmmm. Other than the trolls, we are not Fuds.

Posted: 6/3/2019 8:20:50 PM EST

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So I spent the say compiling a list of people who have started Anti-brownells threads over the years... should I post that list now or wait?

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Do it!

Posted: 6/3/2019 8:20:55 PM EST

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Wasn't it Brownells that had the arfcom lower/upper deal a couple of weeks ago?

Posted: 6/3/2019 8:21:44 PM EST

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Thanks for keeping us in the loop Avila's .
Keep up the good work - most of us appreciate it .

Hope to be around for a good long time here , it's like a second home .

Posted: 6/3/2019 8:22:01 PM EST

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I remember a pit thread by @Aimless about Goatboy’s post count

Posted: 6/3/2019 8:22:22 PM EST

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I'm going to view this as a positive until given a reason to think differently.

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@VA-gunnut , was this thread the first you've heard of it?

Posted: 6/3/2019 8:25:02 PM EST

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How is Brownell’s service?

I have never used them. Their site just seemed weird or something...

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Had to deal with them 2 times on the phone. Out of probobly 100 transactions over the years. Had 2 items not show up. Both times were easy peasy.

Posted: 6/3/2019 8:25:57 PM EST

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Posted: 6/3/2019 8:27:21 PM EST

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This means raises for Site Staff, right?

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Maybe they'll buy staff a Fiat to replace the Yugo.

Posted: 6/3/2019 8:27:32 PM EST

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Geeez, give it a break!

Your posts -in this thread- have been one possibility after another of what could go wrong or affect the site in a negative way

If anyone has seen the movie :Bridge of Spies,which is based on a true story, a spy for the USSR caught by the FBI and imprisoned is asked twice by his lawyer (paraphrased):
"your life is in danger of being terminated for being a spy and you don't seem to be worried at all". The spy's answer is something I have always remembered and tried to apply when things -in my imagination- could go wrong.

His answer is: would it help?

Therefore, stop worrying and coming up with negative possibilities of this venture. If for no other reason than because: "it won't help"

Reported.

Now... Could GoatBoy or Ed Sr. answer my question from pg12?

Posted: 6/3/2019 8:28:13 PM EST

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That's another funny thing about this site that may have to be reconciled. In one thread, alternative lifestyles are derided as deviant behavior by mentally ill individuals, and in a tacked thread, mental illnesses are accepted and supported with advice from individuals unlicensed in the practice of psychology or psychiatry.

While I enjoy witnessing the frequent and often ridicous hypocrisy of the membership, I don't think that it aligns very well with a corporate culture that has a bent towards outreach and inclusiveness.

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Gun owners could learn something from the "mentally ill" groups and the pro MJ groups.
They organize, push their agenda, and get most of their demands met.
We sit back, complain about the way someone is dressed while OCing, laugh at the "militia" people, and generally eat our own.
They got most of what they wanted, we will lose everything at this pace.

ETA IMO some "modding" will have to be done to weed out the intolerant. If we are to succeed we have to be inclusive of all gun owners. To do otherwise is just plain ignorant.

Posted: 6/3/2019 8:28:56 PM EST

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@VA-gunnut , was this thread the first you've heard of it?

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@GovtThug

It has been determined your screen name no longer meets our CoC standards. Your account has been terminated.

I saw this one first hand as a staff member on a non-firearm forum after a site sponsor buyout.

I do not see that happening here with how positive GB appears. But that could be the Dom Perignon flowing from the stripper's ass crack.

Posted: 6/3/2019 8:31:47 PM EST

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How is Brownell’s service?

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Decent.

I have found some pretty random parts on Brownells. Like a NIB buttplate for an enfield number 5 mk1.

Posted: 6/3/2019 8:35:24 PM EST

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I know you probably can't give us specifics right now, but the sooner you can, the quicker you'll get people on board and squash the nay-sayers.

As for the part in red that I highlighted in your post, if things DON'T work out and it's NOT great for our side, what's the fall back position? Is there one? Because the greatest thing about the spectacular failures I mentioned earlier was Charlie Mike- continue the misson as before.

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Arfcom will continue on like normal. Nothing will change except things we are planning. After that the universe will show us the way. I imagine it will simply be to continue down the same path except maybe with a few more voices and a few more hands to help. As for specifics, well we have set a roadmap before and I don't see switching from it. We have new tools for companies, content, a new EE, and more site updates. We want to do a major rewrite of the middle tier code to more modern tech, which is long overdue and should result in speed and responsiveness.

As to the not working out parts. I'm not sure. I guess it depends on how things don't work and who is at fault. Hard to talk about specifics there.