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Posted: 1/10/2018 9:35:05 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL. Looking at Henry VIII and a plethora of TV preachers I see a strong contradiction to your premise. |
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Posted: 1/10/2018 9:36:39 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What I love is when two different Catholics give me totally different answers to the question of "Do Catholics pray to Mary?" Posted earlier and never answered. Sounds like they are the ones who have " no idea how the Catholic faith works". Its your argument. Define "pray." As a police officer, did you ever assist in creating a filing that "prays the court" to do something? I guess you engaged in idolatry to your apparently narrow definition. |
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Posted: 1/10/2018 9:37:44 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: While British Protestants were spending all thier energy separating Catholics from their heads, Spaniards were driving Muslims from the Iberian peninsula , so we got that going for us. |
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Posted: 1/10/2018 9:37:59 AM EST
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Catholics are eligible to get into heaven while all others are not. Catholic belief is that Jesus died for all men, regardless if they know Christ or not, and that no man's salvation can be discounted if one seeks God through the light of natural reason. |
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Posted: 1/10/2018 9:38:58 AM EST
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I guess I don't understand why Catholics would bow their heads, get on their knees, fold their hands and "say or think" to Mary what they want from God. Why not just ask God? It's like asking your Mom, " Could you ask Dad if he would help me?", when your Dad is standing right there in the same room listening to you. |
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Posted: 1/10/2018 9:39:47 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ... as opposed to the Christian faith which requires no organized religious entity ... 
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Posted: 1/10/2018 9:40:28 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Same place it says "I'm putting a guy in a funny hat in Rome in charge ..." Petrine Authority/Great Commission, Keys to the Kingdom of Heaven, anointing Timothy and Titus ring any bells? |
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Posted: 1/10/2018 9:40:52 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Now that's an unfair statement. I most certainly do not "reject the Catechism as an authoritative source of Catholic belief". I disagree with it, but I know it is an accurate statement of what Catholics believe. |
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Posted: 1/10/2018 9:42:03 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because there wasn't a compiled Scripture yet? Context. We have scripture now. We also have church elders and pastors to see to such matters as are not spelled out. My witness to the world will be very different that Peter's or Paul's - as the world is different. Having said that - we have Scripture. We don't need anything else. |
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Posted: 1/10/2018 9:42:58 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Anglican Church isn't really Protestant. Its more like "Roman Catholic, but the King of England is the Pope". Anglicans would certainly reject your statement that they have no place in the Protestant tradition. |
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Posted: 1/10/2018 9:43:01 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "Amen" - ("So let it be") - is a traditional closing to a prayer - yes? When we pray to Christ, it is not unusual to ask him to intercede with His Father - yes? That doesn't make it NOT praying to Christ. Lastly, you have direction from Christ Himself on how to pray. Hint: it wasn't to his mom, or any other saint. Why would you imitate an angel, who wasn't praying at all, rather than follow His Son, who was not only praying, but also explicitly instructing on the proper way to pray? Kind of the whole POINT of Christ, with Catholicism completely misses, is that there IS, and can be, no other intercessor, save Him. John 5:24-26 Amen, amen I say unto you, that he who heareth my word, and believeth him that sent me, hath life everlasting; and cometh not into judgment, but is passed from death to life. 25 Amen, amen I say unto you, that the hour cometh, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God, and they that hear shall live. 26 For as the Father hath life in himself, so he hath given the Son also to have life in himself: The intent of the "Hail Mary" is in the words themselves. "Pray FOR us." Christ tells us to pray for each other. Christ Himself started that practice. That's what Catholics do here. |
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Posted: 1/10/2018 9:43:34 AM EST
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Do you need another link to the Catechism? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: What I love is when two different Catholics give me totally different answers to the question of "Do Catholics pray to Mary?" Posted earlier and never answered. Sounds like they are the ones who have " no idea how the Catholic faith works". But I was talking about two Roman Catholics in this thread that made completely different statements about praying to Mary. He said he found it surprising that many Protestants don't understand Catholic beliefs and I was just pointing out that two Catholics in this thread couldn't even agree on the same issue. |
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Posted: 1/10/2018 9:46:16 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: With the Auto De Fey for desert - right? |
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Posted: 1/10/2018 9:47:42 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, the Baptists sure have the "no organized religious entity" box checked ....
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Posted: 1/10/2018 9:48:31 AM EST
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It would be Mary and the Saints.
I have met very few Catholics that had the same concepts on there own faith. Every country and parish is a little and sometimes a lot different. ALL Catholics will deny this but its a big part of what drove me out of the church. NO other faith is any better they all have the same issues. I have gone Hebraic roots at this point as every organized religion is a con in my book. |
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Posted: 1/10/2018 9:48:53 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, I don't. I have already stated that I know that the Catechism accurately spells out RCC theology. But I was talking about two Roman Catholics in this thread that made completely different statements about praying to Mary. He said he found it surprising that many Protestants don't understand Catholic beliefs and I was just pointing out that two Catholics in this thread couldn't even agree on the same issue. |
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Posted: 1/10/2018 9:50:30 AM EST
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However, it was pointed out to you that they actually did say the same thing and you were just parsing semantics. That might be your and other Catholic's opinion (that I am parsing semantics), but it is not the truth. |
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Posted: 1/10/2018 9:57:31 AM EST
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Jesus has been dead for about that long too, but lots of Christians pray to him. 
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Posted: 1/10/2018 10:01:52 AM EST
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I'm one of those weirdos who pray for the day when we cast aside all this denominational silliness and get down to the very serious business of winning souls. I understand that churches need to create their own brand identity and make it so believers can't freely move from congregation to congregation, but that's a human problem and really not God's problem. When we all can agree on the Gospel Message but still can't get together because somebody wrote a rule that says we can't, then it's a problem.
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Posted: 1/10/2018 10:02:44 AM EST
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To make it short not much.
I grew up non denominational Christian. Went to Catholic school from k to 12. The subtle differences between Catholics, Christians, Baptists etc is so fuckin marginal that I cant believe there is so much angst against each other. Jews, Catholics, Christians, even muslims all believe in the same exact God. Why we have always been at each other over subtle differences is beyond me. |
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Posted: 1/10/2018 10:07:57 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because the Bible commands us to pray for one another, and that the prayer of the righteous avails much? I recall a certain carpenter's son, who said something along the lines that " ..no man comes unto the Father, but through Me." Not His Mom, Santa Claus, John the Baptist, or Moses - Him, and Him alone. |
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Posted: 1/10/2018 10:09:36 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I seem to remember a manger, wise men, and shepherds tending their flocks being mentioned in the Bible on the First Christmas. Even presents ... |
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Posted: 1/10/2018 10:12:58 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: But how do you know what Scripture is correct? This wasn't an established fact for the first three centuries of the Church, and we lack original documents from the 60s. The reason for Sola Scriptura is that otherwise, corruptible man will debase the perfect Word of God, and you get the sale of indulgences, inquisitions, the burning of heretics, stifling of scientific inquiry and the myriad of other misdeeds perpetuated by the Roman Catholic church by men supposedly acting in the name of God. Hence the "reform" in the Reformation. |
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Posted: 1/10/2018 10:14:42 AM EST
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OP asked in one sentence, what is the biggest difference between catholics and other christians. The answer is quite simple... The difference is dogma, and how the Bible is interpreted.
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Posted: 1/10/2018 10:20:57 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
I'm one of those weirdos who pray for the day when we cast aside all this denominational silliness and get down to the very serious business of winning souls. I understand that churches need to create their own brand identity and make it so believers can't freely move from congregation to congregation, but that's a human problem and really not God's problem. When we all can agree on the Gospel Message but still can't get together because somebody wrote a rule that says we can't, then it's a problem.  ' );"></a>
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Posted: 1/10/2018 10:23:34 AM EST
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To answer the OP.
Catholics have been in the Church since the Ascension, but Protestantism sprang to life only 500 years ago or so, and many of the 'denominations' that we are familiar with today are, at best, only a few hundred years old. |
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Posted: 1/10/2018 10:25:40 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So, the "no true Scotsman" argument. Anglicans would certainly reject your statement that they have no place in the Protestant tradition. |
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Posted: 1/10/2018 10:29:19 AM EST
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The intent of the "Hail Mary" is in the words themselves. "Pray FOR us." Christ tells us to pray for each other. Christ Himself started that practice. That's what Catholics do here. Again - Christ tells us to pray FOR each other. That is a different thing than praying TO each other. We are not divine. We cannot intercede for each other - not even Mary. Christ tells us to pray TO God in the name of His Son. |
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Posted: 1/10/2018 10:29:56 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hey, it's a bit more colorful than being pressed to death for being a "Papist." |
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Posted: 1/10/2018 10:30:53 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: But you got water slides and TV fundraisers so you got that going for you. I like me a good water slide. "Can I have an AYEE-MEN-UH!" |
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Posted: 1/10/2018 10:32:26 AM EST
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I have gone Hebraic roots at this point as every organized religion is a con in my book. Religion is terrible. Never let "religion" get in the way of belief, faith, and worship. |
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Posted: 1/10/2018 10:33:22 AM EST
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The romans tweaked christianity to something they could accept and maintain control over. The result was catholicism.
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Posted: 1/10/2018 10:33:35 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: However, it was pointed out to you that they actually did say the same thing and you were just parsing semantics. |
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Posted: 1/10/2018 10:34:58 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wait... so which one is it that doesn't do Christmas or Easter? I celebrate Resurrection Sunday and focus solely on the resurrection. As far as Christmas goes, I focus on Christ's birth, not all the pagan Yule stuff it was founded on. I doubt Catholics focus on the pagan stuff either as far as those holidays are concerned. However, for each saint that they use as an intermediary for prayer (or however the justify the idolotry), I can find a corresponding pagan god from Rome that was rebranded into a saint to try and bring Christians and pagans under the same fold. Mars was rebranded into St. Martin The Roman harvest god lares was knocked off by the Catholics as St. Lawrence Gemini, the Roman god of sailing was stolen by the Catholics and became Sanctus Geminos Pagans thought it was odd to worship one god since they had tons of different pagan gods, so all the saints were made to bring them in and unite Rome under Christianity. Completely unbiblical, but whatever helps you sleep at night I guess Catholicism is similar to Islam in that they both knocked off the Bible and then added a bunch of their own pagan stuff to bring more people under the fold. Islam is based on a moon god, they worship a meteorite in the Kabba in Mecca, and just about all of their stories that weren't knocked off from the Bible were based on Zoroastrian paganism and the pre-Islamic idols that existed on the Arabian peninsula. Likewise, Roman Catholics took the Bible which in and of itself is all you need. But then they added Roman pagan accessories to their religion. Even some Coptic Christians added paganism to their beliefs. Only way to go to heaven is by accepting Jesus. All the saints and accessory stuff like rosaries are heresy |
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Posted: 1/10/2018 10:35:28 AM EST
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Catholics are the true Christians and all others are basically cheap imposters
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Posted: 1/10/2018 10:35:32 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Where in the Bible is the annual commemoration of that event described or directed? |
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Posted: 1/10/2018 10:44:27 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
No, I don't. I have already stated that I know that the Catechism accurately spells out RCC theology. But I was talking about two Roman Catholics in this thread that made completely different statements about praying to Mary. He said he found it surprising that many Protestants don't understand Catholic beliefs and I was just pointing out that two Catholics in this thread couldn't even agree on the same issue. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: What I love is when two different Catholics give me totally different answers to the question of "Do Catholics pray to Mary?" Posted earlier and never answered. Sounds like they are the ones who have " no idea how the Catholic faith works". But I was talking about two Roman Catholics in this thread that made completely different statements about praying to Mary. He said he found it surprising that many Protestants don't understand Catholic beliefs and I was just pointing out that two Catholics in this thread couldn't even agree on the same issue. It kinda confirms what he was saying about basic misunderstandings. |
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Posted: 1/10/2018 10:44:53 AM EST
[#38]
The Catholic Church was founded by Christ.
All other Churches were founded by men. |
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Posted: 1/10/2018 10:46:20 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
The Catholic Church was founded by Christ. All other Churches were founded by men. |
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Posted: 1/10/2018 10:48:09 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
What about the Roman Catholic Church? |
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Posted: 1/10/2018 10:57:01 AM EST
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Die heretic! - The absurdity of divisions in the Church
Comedian Emo Phillips wrote a joke about our tendency as Christians to obsess over the differences between us while ignoring the many beliefs and practices that we have in common. Apparently, the joke is hilarious; GQ magazine named it the 44th funniest joke of all time in "The 75 Funniest Jokes of All Time" (June 1999). Here's the joke: Once I saw this guy on a bridge about to jump. I said, "Don't do it!" He said, "Nobody loves me." I said, "God loves you. Do you believe in God?" He said, "Yes." I said, "Are you a Christian or a Jew?" He said, "A Christian." I said, "Me too! Protestant or Catholic?" He said, "Protestant." I said, "Me too! What denomination?" He said, "Baptist." I said, "Me too! Northern Baptist or Southern Baptist?" He said, "Northern Baptist." I said, "Me too! Northern Conservative Baptist or Northern Liberal Baptist?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist." I said, "Me too! Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region or Northern Conservative Baptist Eastern Region?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region." I said, "Me too!" "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1879 or Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912?" I said, "Die heretic!" And I pushed him over. <a href="http://www.christenacleveland.com/blogarchive/2012/10/die-heretic-the-absurdity-of-divisions-in-the-church"></a> Link not cooperating: http://www.christenacleveland.com/blogarchive/2012/10/die-heretic-the-absurdity-of-divisions-in-the-church |
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Posted: 1/10/2018 11:03:05 AM EST
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To make it short not much. I grew up non denominational Christian. Went to Catholic school from k to 12. The subtle differences between Catholics, Christians, Baptists etc is so fuckin marginal that I cant believe there is so much angst against each other. Jews, Catholics, Christians, even muslims all believe in the same exact God. Why we have always been at each other over subtle differences is beyond me. I mean, I can see why some Jews and Muslims might assert it, or why an atheist might, since from that perspective God=God, and Jesus was a just a man, a preacher to a Jew or an atheist, a prophet to a Muslim. But to a Christian, Jesus=God. Jesus was not, therefore, just a man, but was and is explicitly God. So no, they do not all believe in the same God. If you are a non-Trinitarian Christian (there are a few around still,) you could argue that all *worship* the same God, but that would be a bit different from alleging that they *believe* in the same God. It all rather varies upon one's own viewpoint, of course, but the assertion vis a vis *believing in* the same God is in error. |
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Posted: 1/10/2018 11:11:35 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It always amuses me when people assert this. I mean, I can see why some Jews and Muslims might assert it, or why an atheist might, since from that perspective God=God, and Jesus was a just a man, a preacher to a Jew or an atheist, a prophet to a Muslim. But to a Christian, Jesus=God. Jesus was not, therefore, just a man, but was and is explicitly God. So no, they do not all believe in the same God. If you are a non-Trinitarian Christian (there are a few around still,) you could argue that all *worship* the same God, but that would be a bit different from alleging that they *believe* in the same God. It all rather varies upon one's own viewpoint, of course, but the assertion vis a vis *believing in* the same God is in error. The minute details is why we kill each other, and its dumb |
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Posted: 1/10/2018 11:14:47 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 3 chapters after the one describing Purgatory, and 2 chapters before the one outlining the indulgences process. |
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Posted: 1/10/2018 11:20:10 AM EST
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Protestants cut out the middleman. 
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Posted: 1/10/2018 11:21:34 AM EST
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I don't celebrate Easter, named after the pagan god of fertility, Esther. I celebrate Resurrection Sunday and focus solely on the resurrection. Because English borrows heavily from German, Easter comes from Eoster. The Christmas tree originated in pagan Germanic tradition and during the time that I lived in Italy, was not a common holiday decoration. In fact, both years I lived in Italy, there were editorials urging Italians to not adopt that particular Germanic pagan tradition as part of their celebration of Christ's birth. |
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Posted: 1/10/2018 11:21:55 AM EST
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From what I understand catholics believe you get to heaven by your good works. So they believe they can save themselves.. |
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Posted: 1/10/2018 11:26:32 AM EST
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Posted in GD.
10 pages, not locked and still running. 
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Posted: 1/10/2018 11:26:58 AM EST
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I believe the main difference between Catholics and other Christians is thier view on Mary. Catholics worship her as the Virgin Mary, mother of God. Other religions do not believe that she was a virgin, or do not pray to her etc. all of them believe the Jesus Christ is the son go God. And that we should be generally good people. |
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Posted: 1/10/2018 11:28:53 AM EST
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Posted in GD. 10 pages, not locked and still running. |
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