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Posted: 5/15/2020 5:18:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By clffrdjk: You are the one that supports him, you tell me. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By clffrdjk: Originally Posted By XxbatraiderxX: Originally Posted By clffrdjk: Originally Posted By XxbatraiderxX: Originally Posted By clffrdjk: Originally Posted By DonS: Originally Posted By clffrdjk: And the only way to do that is to give them more power right. We MUST keep expanding the patriot act!!! I'm all for ending the patriot act, fisa courts, even the fbi. So am I. Why is the guy that went through the abuses you just listed going to expand the powers of all of them? We haven't seen the end of it yet. He has already done it how many times? Why do you think he does It? Don't tell me he likes being abused and spied on. You are the one that supports him, you tell me. You are the one critical of his actions but you can't explain what's in his head. |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 5:18:33 PM EDT
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Yep, I’m sure Biden will get things back to normal.
Open your eyes, with the recent power grabs by the leftist states, if a leftist gets in the White House it’s game over. Declare a national emergency and it’s on. The left is the enemy, they despise you because you dare to exercise your freedom. |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 5:18:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EarlyRiser: When I voted in 2016, there were two choices, Trump and Clinton. Will you support Uncle Joe in November? Also, the Supreme Court nominations are kind of important. You have kids? What would you like the future of this country to look like? Oh yeah, we can definitely count on supreme court nominations being so important - like Roberts... |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 5:19:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonS: Yes, just as he could have fired Mueller. But he didn't, he played it smart. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonS: Originally Posted By clffrdjk: All he had to do was/is not sign the extension and it is gone. He didn’t need the support of anyone, you know this. Yes, just as he could have fired Mueller. But he didn't, he played it smart. How is making them stronger the smart play? The dem base hates it, the republican base hates it, the only people that like it are the deep state. |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 5:20:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By clffrdjk: His judges have killed every bill that has come before the Supreme Court that I cared about. Why would I expect things to suddenly change? I will vote out the backstabbing incumbent in the hopes that in 4 years we can do better. Gorsuch is a good replacement for Scalia, but more libertarian, which is good. Kav is an incremental improvement over Kennedy. Your answer is to vote out Trump, so Biden can pick the replacement for RBG and Thomas and who else? Good plan. |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 5:22:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By XxbatraiderxX: And every illegal corrupt action taken under the act is gone along with it. Do you want accountability? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By XxbatraiderxX: Originally Posted By clffrdjk: Originally Posted By DonS: Originally Posted By clffrdjk: Any theories Don? I don't know, I'd prefer he veto it. But no doubt there are political calculations, for example he could have shut down Mueller's investigation but didn't (he would have been impeached if did that), he could have pardoned Flynn and Stone but didn't. The Patriot Act is more of a steady-state or long term concern, vs the more immediate concern of dealing with the deep state coup attempts. The proper way to do it is probably to clean up the existing mess, then clean up the underlying government powers that enable it. Get all the facts of what happened out there, show what they did, then make sure that it can't be done again by reforming the system. I'll put it this way: he has a base of some 40%, while another 40% oppose him at all costs. The other 20% are skeptical. That's not a mandate for major changes, particularly with the media influence, hence he has to be careful what he does. He needs over 50% support getting rid of fisa courts, etc. He needs to make the case and get the sup port FIRST. Take too big of step too soon, lose everything. All he had to do was/is not sign the extension and it is gone. He didn’t need the support of anyone, you know this. And every illegal corrupt action taken under the act is gone along with it. Do you want accountability? The only accountability we will ever see will come from a rope. Right now they have the defense that what they did was legal. |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 5:24:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By XxbatraiderxX: You are the one critical of his actions but you can't explain what's in his head. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By XxbatraiderxX: Originally Posted By clffrdjk: Originally Posted By XxbatraiderxX: Originally Posted By clffrdjk: Originally Posted By XxbatraiderxX: Originally Posted By clffrdjk: Originally Posted By DonS: Originally Posted By clffrdjk: And the only way to do that is to give them more power right. We MUST keep expanding the patriot act!!! I'm all for ending the patriot act, fisa courts, even the fbi. So am I. Why is the guy that went through the abuses you just listed going to expand the powers of all of them? We haven't seen the end of it yet. He has already done it how many times? Why do you think he does It? Don't tell me he likes being abused and spied on. You are the one that supports him, you tell me. You are the one critical of his actions but you can't explain what's in his head. I don’t pretend to know why he does anything I just look at what he has done. I take it you find his actions unexplainable as well. |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 5:24:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By clffrdjk: Yea because he would be unable to think up even one example of how it was abused and present that story to the public. The obvious answer is to make the bad guys stronger so you can beat the latter because they are too strong for you to handle now. It takes more than "one example". It isn't the case he can talk people into reason. The case needs to be laid out clearly. As is being done now, with the release of information. It needs to reach a critical mass of support in the public. |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 5:26:03 PM EDT
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You want to blame Trump yet it is the majority of the leftist blue state governors that went full on retard. Some are doubling down on it as we speak. He wanted to open it up back in April yet most scoffed at the idea. Even in this very forum. Sure ok, Trump's fault. We were fucked no matter who was sitting in the Oval office.
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Posted: 5/15/2020 5:26:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonS: Gorsuch is a good replacement for Scalia, but more libertarian, which is good. Kav is an incremental improvement over Kennedy. Your answer is to vote out Trump, so Biden can pick the replacement for RBG and Thomas and who else? Good plan. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonS: Originally Posted By clffrdjk: His judges have killed every bill that has come before the Supreme Court that I cared about. Why would I expect things to suddenly change? I will vote out the backstabbing incumbent in the hopes that in 4 years we can do better. Gorsuch is a good replacement for Scalia, but more libertarian, which is good. Kav is an incremental improvement over Kennedy. Your answer is to vote out Trump, so Biden can pick the replacement for RBG and Thomas and who else? Good plan. Both killed gun cases I cared about. Show me how his picks would be any worse, try to use better logic than your “we must strengthen the deep state in order to kill the deep state” defense. |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 5:26:58 PM EDT
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In on this one.
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Posted: 5/15/2020 5:27:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By clffrdjk: How is making them stronger the smart play? The dem base hates it, the republican base hates it, the only people that like it are the deep state. The far left hates it and the far right. Most either don't care or support it. If Trump ended it the vast Democrat establishment would be easy to wind up by the media. Low info moderates would believe the media as well. |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 5:28:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonS: It takes more than "one example". It isn't the case he can talk people into reason. The case needs to be laid out clearly. As is being done now, with the release of information. It needs to reach a critical mass of support in the public. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonS: Originally Posted By clffrdjk: Yea because he would be unable to think up even one example of how it was abused and present that story to the public. The obvious answer is to make the bad guys stronger so you can beat the latter because they are too strong for you to handle now. It takes more than "one example". It isn't the case he can talk people into reason. The case needs to be laid out clearly. As is being done now, with the release of information. It needs to reach a critical mass of support in the public. No it flat out does not. If he doesn’t sign the extension it dies. No support needed. |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 5:29:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By clffrdjk: Both killed gun cases I cared about. Show me how his picks would be any worse, try to use better logic than your “we must strengthen the deep state in order to kill the deep state” defense. Which gun case did Gorsuch kill? |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 5:30:37 PM EDT
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N_T's at it again..them boys sure love riding the fail...
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Posted: 5/15/2020 5:31:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonS: The far left hates it and the far right. Most either don't care or support it. If Trump ended it the vast Democrat establishment would be easy to wind up by the media. Low info moderates would believe the media as well. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonS: Originally Posted By clffrdjk: How is making them stronger the smart play? The dem base hates it, the republican base hates it, the only people that like it are the deep state. The far left hates it and the far right. Most either don't care or support it. If Trump ended it the vast Democrat establishment would be easy to wind up by the media. Low info moderates would believe the media as well. And then what? The deep state loses their biggest tool and Trump faces a possible impeachment (so what) Your argument was that the deep state was the biggest threat ever and now you are saying Trump is more important than killing the deep state, WHY? |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 5:31:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By clffrdjk: No it flat out does not. If he doesn’t sign the extension it dies. No support needed. LOL, talking in circles. |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 5:31:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonS: Which gun case did Gorsuch kill? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonS: Originally Posted By clffrdjk: Both killed gun cases I cared about. Show me how his picks would be any worse, try to use better logic than your “we must strengthen the deep state in order to kill the deep state” defense. Which gun case did Gorsuch kill? Bumpstock injunction |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 5:32:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonS: LOL, talking in circles. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonS: Originally Posted By clffrdjk: No it flat out does not. If he doesn’t sign the extension it dies. No support needed. LOL, talking in circles. Yes you are. |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 5:34:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By clffrdjk: The only accountability we will ever see will come from a rope. Right now they have the defense that what they did was legal. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By clffrdjk: Originally Posted By XxbatraiderxX: Originally Posted By clffrdjk: Originally Posted By DonS: Originally Posted By clffrdjk: Any theories Don? I don't know, I'd prefer he veto it. But no doubt there are political calculations, for example he could have shut down Mueller's investigation but didn't (he would have been impeached if did that), he could have pardoned Flynn and Stone but didn't. The Patriot Act is more of a steady-state or long term concern, vs the more immediate concern of dealing with the deep state coup attempts. The proper way to do it is probably to clean up the existing mess, then clean up the underlying government powers that enable it. Get all the facts of what happened out there, show what they did, then make sure that it can't be done again by reforming the system. I'll put it this way: he has a base of some 40%, while another 40% oppose him at all costs. The other 20% are skeptical. That's not a mandate for major changes, particularly with the media influence, hence he has to be careful what he does. He needs over 50% support getting rid of fisa courts, etc. He needs to make the case and get the sup port FIRST. Take too big of step too soon, lose everything. All he had to do was/is not sign the extension and it is gone. He didn’t need the support of anyone, you know this. And every illegal corrupt action taken under the act is gone along with it. Do you want accountability? The only accountability we will ever see will come from a rope. Right now they have the defense that what they did was legal. So you don't want accountability, you want vigilante justice. While I understand your sentiment and I have the same feelings, the law is on our side and we have someone in the perfect spot to carry out real justice and hold people accountable. Of course the arrogant 'above the law' tyrants have a defense. That's because the law hasn't caught up with them. They took what was suppose to be used for terrorist and foreign infiltrators and used it against Americans. Thats unheard of and unprecedented. Believe it or not, they are on the run, trying to justify what they did. |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 5:35:03 PM EDT
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 “Trump is good, Trump is good. Yeah-Yeah Trump is good , Trump is good. Drain the Swamp, Drain the Swamp. Whoa whoa. Emails, Emails La Laaa EMAILS” In 20 years we’ll cringe at the Trump dick sucking. I don’t want Biden but JFC... |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 5:35:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By clffrdjk: And then what? The deep state loses their biggest tool and Trump faces a possible impeachment (so what) You argument was that the deep state was the biggest threat ever and no you are saying Trump is more important than killing the deep state, WHY? Trump is gone then they pass a new, improved Patriot Act and add in the gunpower taggants and all the stuff they wanted in the 90s. Biden signs it. If you haven't noticed, the big fight is between Trump and the deep state. Trump needs to win that fight. If Trump loses 2020, the deep state wins, since all the investigation into them will end. The legislation doesn't matter short term, and can be passed again later. |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 5:36:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By maleante: Oh yeah, we can definitely count on supreme court nominations being so important - like Roberts... We talking about W? He’s a Clinton supporter, like OP. I wish there were better options for presidential candidates that would be more supportive of gun rights. What person in their right mind would actually want to be president in the first place? |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 5:37:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By XxbatraiderxX: So you don't want accountability, you want vigilante justice. While I understand your sentiment and I have the same feelings, the law is on our side and we have someone in the perfect spot to carry out real justice and hold people accountable. Of course the arrogant 'above the law' tyrants have a defense. That's because the law hasn't caught up with them. They took what was suppose to be used for terrorist and foreign infiltrators and used it against Americans. Thats unheard of and unprecedented. Believe it or not, they are on the run, trying to justify what they did. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By XxbatraiderxX: Originally Posted By clffrdjk: Originally Posted By XxbatraiderxX: Originally Posted By clffrdjk: Originally Posted By DonS: Originally Posted By clffrdjk: Any theories Don? I don't know, I'd prefer he veto it. But no doubt there are political calculations, for example he could have shut down Mueller's investigation but didn't (he would have been impeached if did that), he could have pardoned Flynn and Stone but didn't. The Patriot Act is more of a steady-state or long term concern, vs the more immediate concern of dealing with the deep state coup attempts. The proper way to do it is probably to clean up the existing mess, then clean up the underlying government powers that enable it. Get all the facts of what happened out there, show what they did, then make sure that it can't be done again by reforming the system. I'll put it this way: he has a base of some 40%, while another 40% oppose him at all costs. The other 20% are skeptical. That's not a mandate for major changes, particularly with the media influence, hence he has to be careful what he does. He needs over 50% support getting rid of fisa courts, etc. He needs to make the case and get the sup port FIRST. Take too big of step too soon, lose everything. All he had to do was/is not sign the extension and it is gone. He didn’t need the support of anyone, you know this. And every illegal corrupt action taken under the act is gone along with it. Do you want accountability? The only accountability we will ever see will come from a rope. Right now they have the defense that what they did was legal. So you don't want accountability, you want vigilante justice. While I understand your sentiment and I have the same feelings, the law is on our side and we have someone in the perfect spot to carry out real justice and hold people accountable. Of course the arrogant 'above the law' tyrants have a defense. That's because the law hasn't caught up with them. They took what was suppose to be used for terrorist and foreign infiltrators and used it against Americans. Thats unheard of and unprecedented. Believe it or not, they are on the run, trying to justify what they did. Lol |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 5:37:38 PM EDT
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oh look a libtard
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Posted: 5/15/2020 5:37:46 PM EDT
[#26]
GTFO
 
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Posted: 5/15/2020 5:37:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Discolite: “Trump is good, Trump is good. Yeah-Yeah Trump is good , Trump is good. Drain the Swamp, Drain the Swamp. Whoa whoa. Emails, Emails La Laaa EMAILS” In 20 years we’ll cringe at the Trump dick sucking. I don’t want Biden but JFC... James Comey, John Brennen and Hillary Clinton all send you their love. |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 5:39:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By clffrdjk: Yes you are. No, that's all on you. I had already answered that earlier, you are just looping back to things I already answered. |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 5:39:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mallninjamaster: Keep the sheeple consuming at all cost... money printers to full power!!!!! It is the last tool they have before this all falls apart. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mallninjamaster: Originally Posted By st0newall: they can print money. they are talking about buying stocks to 'bolster' public companies. now that the interest rates have lost there power, its on to bigger and better (and more damaging probably) tools. pump that money into the economy! spray cash all over the place and see what happens... Keep the sheeple consuming at all cost... money printers to full power!!!!! It is the last tool they have before this all falls apart. 
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Posted: 5/15/2020 5:39:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By clffrdjk: I don’t pretend to know why he does anything I just look at what he has done. I take it you find his actions unexplainable as well. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By clffrdjk: Originally Posted By XxbatraiderxX: Originally Posted By clffrdjk: Originally Posted By XxbatraiderxX: Originally Posted By clffrdjk: Originally Posted By XxbatraiderxX: Originally Posted By clffrdjk: Originally Posted By DonS: Originally Posted By clffrdjk: And the only way to do that is to give them more power right. We MUST keep expanding the patriot act!!! I'm all for ending the patriot act, fisa courts, even the fbi. So am I. Why is the guy that went through the abuses you just listed going to expand the powers of all of them? We haven't seen the end of it yet. He has already done it how many times? Why do you think he does It? Don't tell me he likes being abused and spied on. You are the one that supports him, you tell me. You are the one critical of his actions but you can't explain what's in his head. I don’t pretend to know why he does anything I just look at what he has done. I take it you find his actions unexplainable as well. It all makes sense when you turn off the clock and calendars of an upcoming election, the virus, deficit spending, and the noise. It's explainable. |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 5:39:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonS: Trump is gone then they pass a new, improved Patriot Act and add in the gunpower taggants and all the stuff they wanted in the 90s. Biden signs it. If you haven't noticed, the big fight is between Trump and the deep state. Trump needs to win that fight. If Trump loses 2020, the deep state wins, since all the investigation into them will end. The legislation doesn't matter short term, and can be passed again later. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonS: Originally Posted By clffrdjk: And then what? The deep state loses their biggest tool and Trump faces a possible impeachment (so what) You argument was that the deep state was the biggest threat ever and no you are saying Trump is more important than killing the deep state, WHY? Trump is gone then they pass a new, improved Patriot Act and add in the gunpower taggants and all the stuff they wanted in the 90s. Biden signs it. If you haven't noticed, the big fight is between Trump and the deep state. Trump needs to win that fight. If Trump loses 2020, the deep state wins, since all the investigation into them will end. The legislation doesn't matter short term, and can be passed again later. Listen to yourself. You are defending the guy building the deep state out of fear that if he didn’t someone else might build the deep state. |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 5:39:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By clffrdjk: You maybe sarcastic but I am not. When you guys want my vote back let me know. 
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Posted: 5/15/2020 5:40:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonS: LOL, talking in circles. Well, they have spent more than 4 fucking years bitching daily about something that they absolutely want changed, but absolutely refuse to put in the effort to change...They have yet to even be able to name a viable candidate, let alone one that could actually represent all on the right and center, that actually could stand a chance of winning an election..Let alone actually put forth the effort to get said candidate introduced and promoted to the voters...  Sometimes it is just much easier and feels better to just bitch to bitch...
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Posted: 5/15/2020 5:40:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonS: No, that's all on you. I had already answered that earlier, you are just looping back to things I already answered. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonS: Originally Posted By clffrdjk: Yes you are. No, that's all on you. I had already answered that earlier, you are just looping back to things I already answered. Incorrect you keep claiming the we can’t kill the deep state because we need to keep making it stronger. |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 5:41:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonS: James Comey, John Brennen and Hillary Clinton all send you their love.  “UH OH KIDS! Lookout! It’s Robbie Rotten and He just said something unflattering about Trump! Let’s BOO at him REAL HARD so we can sing out favorite songs again! BOOOOO ROBBIE ROTTEN BOOOOOO!!!” |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 5:42:34 PM EDT
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I doubt that Trump approves of the COVID spending bills, but he is in a no-win situation. If he says no, they will override his veto anyways, and then use it as a campaign issue. "See, Trump didn't want to give you money,but we did".
I'm not a big Trump fan, but there is literally nothing he can do to stop this spending. If you can't see that, then you need a remedial class in American Government, because you don't understand how any of it works. |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 5:44:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jay561: I think he is senile. Cant believe his base supports what he's done so far. And I have a hard time believing you have a grasp on reality. He's not been perfect, but he's ahead of the curve on alot of vital things important to the country. Namely China, the wall, imports, defense, taxes..etc.. He's a damn sight better that the last few administrations |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 5:45:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4v50: Let him overspend. What difference, at this point, does it make?  We're defaulting on the debt (if you don't know what quantitative easing is or its affects, you haven't been paying attention - or you believe that sh*t taught at most universities money. Oh wait, they don't teach anyone about "money" at the university level). Trump as been through several bankruptcies himself. I can't think of a better person to manage the recovery (and there has been no recovery since 2007-8) than Trump. OK, Ron Paul could have done a good job as he understands free markets and money, but the party would never let him win the nomination. No recovery since 2008? How high are you right now?  I mean, *now* we're in similar shape as '07 before the defaults began, but previously the economy was quite hot |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 5:45:19 PM EDT
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So Juan is on arfcom now!
Trump already said that Nancy's latest vote buying scheme is doa. Op must still be waiting for his check |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 5:45:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Devildog1970: I doubt that Trump approves of the COVID spending bills, but he is in a no-win situation. If he says no, they will override his veto anyways, and then use it as a campaign issue. "See, Trump didn't want to give you money,but we did". I'm not a big Trump fan, but there is literally nothing he can do to stop this spending. If you can't see that, then you need a remedial class in American Government, because you don't understand how any of it works. The never Trumpers will drown out reasonable thinking like that. Orange man bad... |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 5:48:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By XxbatraiderxX: Speak for yourself.... There was no gun grabbing and the police state was there before he showed up. The letter is just a brand. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By XxbatraiderxX: Originally Posted By clffrdjk: Originally Posted By XxbatraiderxX: Originally Posted By Iguana775: Originally Posted By XxbatraiderxX: Who is controlling Trump? I got to hear the answer to this. there isnt. that's why every dem (and a lot of republicans) hates him. Yep. And many here are just butthurt jealous that we're president now and they're not. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/image-69.jpg We ain’t president, he is. People just support his gun grabbing and increases in the police state because they like the shape of the letter next to his name. Speak for yourself.... There was no gun grabbing and the police state was there before he showed up. The letter is just a brand. There was/is absolutely gun grabbing. Just because you disagree with Trump on what a gun is doesn't change the truth |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 5:53:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sabrev65: And I have a hard time believing you have a grasp on reality. He's not been perfect, but he's ahead of the curve on alot of vital things important to the country. Namely China, the wall, imports, defense, taxes..etc.. He's a damn sight better that the last few administrations Yeah each one of those things Ive seen him fuck up. Honestly I put too much faith in him, wont make that mistake again. |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 5:55:53 PM EDT
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Dumb actions can be traitorous even if that is not the intent
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Posted: 5/15/2020 5:56:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonS: Look at what they did to keep Clinton viable and to harm Trump. Look a the depth of it. Look at how they are trying to control information in the big tech companies. This isn't business as usual. Your post seems to be full of normalcy bias. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonS: Originally Posted By barnbwt: And since it's not primary season, grooming & drafting suitable candidates for the next primary & writing this ballot off as a loss is also a valid course of action, though it acknowledges defeat/failure, which is really painful for many. Look at what they did to keep Clinton viable and to harm Trump. Look a the depth of it. Look at how they are trying to control information in the big tech companies. This isn't business as usual. Your post seems to be full of normalcy bias. It's full of thinking ahead. Do you even have a plan beyond Trump? Because at best he has four more years, at worst he's cheated out of a second term. Who comes next? We should really be thinking about it, at least. And no, Pence is a shitty choice; there's a reason no one heard of him before Trump. Like I said, it requires acknowledgement of failure, that there are no good choices this cycle because we failed to secure them, and it hardly matters which of the two remaining is worse by comparison. |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 5:57:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cavgunner: Is he proposing the spending bills? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cavgunner: Originally Posted By Troutman84: Trump is seeing his re-election chances slip away. He is trying to get votes by printing more stimulus money. Not sure which of the two categories that puts him in, though if a democrat were doing the same things Trump is, GD would be preparing for an armed revolt. Also, IBTL. Is he proposing the spending bills? I'm pretty sure he's mentioned additional stimulus quite a bit. |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 5:59:14 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jmftexas: Agreed, incredible correlation between members that are never trumpers and doomers. Yes, it’s pretty much 2 camps Trump walks on water and everything is totally fine or Trump sucks ass and the country is falling apart And hypocrisy knows no bounds They just want to be all in your face with it like a vegan says the guy dressed in full on combat attire sporting a locked and loaded AR at the lockdown protest |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 5:59:44 PM EDT
[#47]
We need more immigration to take away jobs from those dirty Americans, lobbyists need a bailout, only corporations that conform to our progressive policies should exist and white people is racist. /sarcasm
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Posted: 5/15/2020 6:00:13 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By XxbatraiderxX: We haven't seen the end of it yet. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By XxbatraiderxX: Originally Posted By clffrdjk: Originally Posted By DonS: Originally Posted By clffrdjk: And the only way to do that is to give them more power right. We MUST keep expanding the patriot act!!! I'm all for ending the patriot act, fisa courts, even the fbi. So am I. Why is the guy that went through the abuses you just listed going to expand the powers of all of them? We haven't seen the end of it yet. #TrustTrump? Just know that if you wait to the end to hold him accountable, you by definition have no influence. But if you're just along for whatever ride he takes us on because you trust him, your approach does make sense. |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 6:00:42 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By clffrdjk: Listen to yourself. You are defending the guy building the deep state out of fear that if he didn’t someone else might build the deep state. It’s the great GD dichotomy: If trump does it, 5d MAGA chess Somebody else does it, tar and feathers |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 6:01:49 PM EDT
[#50]
People really think the supreme court is going to save us all....
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