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Posted: 9/1/2023 5:37:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have. It sucks. Which is why a K can lives on it now. But that’s true about all inside firearms. Even 22 is angry inside a house. I was in a shooting event. I choose power over noise every time. The rattler with supers throws 3x the energy of the 9mm, and makes rifle wounds inside ~50 yards. I’ll take that noise over continued aggression any day. You make a good point, but 9mm is way cheaper. If were comparing it with .300, its way way way cheaper. 9mm is roughly half the overall size, i can keep 2 30 round MP5 mags in the space of 1 AR mag (well, almost). |
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Posted: 9/1/2023 6:28:45 PM EDT
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 The Truth About The S&W FPC: M&P Folding 9mm Carbine 2000 Round Review & Extreme Conditions Test |
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Posted: 9/1/2023 7:23:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The problem is the blowback action eats up any velocity/energy advantage a longer barrel should deliver. The positive is simple and more reliable. That said, the Marlin Camp 9 was/is a nice PCC. It’s downfall by todays standards is using only S&W magazines, after police agencies started transitioning to other vendors pistols. And factory buffer blocks deteriorated and crumbled. There are better replacements available for them today. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I wouldn’t say it’s a stupid idea, but it makes more sense when the cartridge you’re chambering benefits from a longer barrel length. You don’t get that much more from a longer barrel with 9mm, so it’s really about sight radius, mag compatibility, and ease of use. The problem is the blowback action eats up any velocity/energy advantage a longer barrel should deliver. The positive is simple and more reliable. That said, the Marlin Camp 9 was/is a nice PCC. It’s downfall by todays standards is using only S&W magazines, after police agencies started transitioning to other vendors pistols. And factory buffer blocks deteriorated and crumbled. There are better replacements available for them today. Wait, what? Are you saying going to a longer barrel adds no velocity because it has a blow back bolt? |
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Posted: 9/1/2023 7:44:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wait, what? Are you saying going to a longer barrel adds no velocity because it has a blow back bolt? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I wouldn’t say it’s a stupid idea, but it makes more sense when the cartridge you’re chambering benefits from a longer barrel length. You don’t get that much more from a longer barrel with 9mm, so it’s really about sight radius, mag compatibility, and ease of use. The problem is the blowback action eats up any velocity/energy advantage a longer barrel should deliver. The positive is simple and more reliable. That said, the Marlin Camp 9 was/is a nice PCC. It’s downfall by todays standards is using only S&W magazines, after police agencies started transitioning to other vendors pistols. And factory buffer blocks deteriorated and crumbled. There are better replacements available for them today. Wait, what? Are you saying going to a longer barrel adds no velocity because it has a blow back bolt? This is a surprisingly common myth on gun fora... |
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Posted: 9/1/2023 7:45:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You make a good point, but 9mm is way cheaper. If were comparing it with .300, its way way way cheaper. 9mm is roughly half the overall size, i can keep 2 30 round MP5 mags in the space of 1 AR mag (well, almost). Ok but a mag of 300, each round has 3x the energy of 9mm at “only” 2x the cost. So it’s cheaper overall. |
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Posted: 9/1/2023 7:53:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ok but a mag of 300, each round has 3x the energy of 9mm at “only” 2x the cost. So it’s cheaper overall. Yes, if you are shooting enough people that you need to consider the value per round. Interesting problem to have, but i suspect you're the only one with it |
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Posted: 9/1/2023 8:01:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, if you are shooting enough people that you need to consider the value per round. Interesting problem to have, but i suspect you're the only one with it Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Ok but a mag of 300, each round has 3x the energy of 9mm at “only” 2x the cost. So it’s cheaper overall. Yes, if you are shooting enough people that you need to consider the value per round. Interesting problem to have, but i suspect you're the only one with it Good argument for .416. |
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Posted: 9/1/2023 9:26:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good argument for .416. I'm more of a .458 lott guy, but if you're willing to bet your life on that little poodle popper round, more power to you 
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