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Posted: 10/31/2012 8:20:51 AM EDT
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Say I own a uninhabitable building in a rural area and I don't want to pay taxes on the improvements any more. The closest neighbor is probably a quarter mile away. It doesn't have insurance on it so i wouldn't be trying to make a claim on it. The cost to demolish it seems like it is worth more than the tax savings. Can I just burn it down? I burn brush piles all the time out here without any problems. can you see if a local fire department can use it for training? just an idea Good idea. Thank you. It's a voulenteer FD out here and I'm sure they would appreciate the training. I'm going to get in contact with them If they do it, be sure to post pics/video! I came in here to suggest this, but safe to say it has been mentioned a dozen times now. |
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Posted: 10/31/2012 8:24:23 AM EDT
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Its only arson if you try to collect money on the fire. I'd just give the local FD a heads up and go ahead and burn it down. So I can go a burn down a building and as long as I don't make any money off of it it's not Arson? Please show us that law in any state |
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Posted: 10/31/2012 8:24:25 AM EDT
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Just got off the phone with them. He said thanks but no thanks. They don't do it any more because the regulations and liability make it too complicated. No burn permits are needed. He ended the conversation by saying that there are a lot of environmental hoops to jump through but who would know if I just took a match to it  .There sure are http://www.tceq.state.tx.us/assets/public/legal/rules/rules/pdflib/111b.pdf Can you do it legally? Not likely (you are not "supposed" to burn treated lumber and non-wood construction debris) What will happen if the state environmental people (EPA will not give a shit) just happened to catch you? (would require someone making a complaint about the smoke) They would likely just write you a Notice of Violation. You would have to write them a letter saying you will be a good boy in the future and not do it again. The chances you get caught in rural TX with no bitchy neighbors around? 0.0000001% Yes one problem is that wood piles = white smoke, fires with other items usually = black smoke. We used to use old tires to start brush piles when i was growing up but we had to stop b/c of environmental concerns. Everyone in the county knows its not a brush pile when there is black smoke. |
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Posted: 10/31/2012 8:25:11 AM EDT
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How many counties do you need?  A lot. Texas is massive compared to your little island  Not really. That is a fuckton of little counties compared to other large states. http://geology.com/state-map/maps/illinois-county-map.gif http://geology.com/state-map/maps/california-county-map.gif http://www.myusoc.com/images/alaska-county-map_1_.gif https://jobs.mt.gov/jobs/images/mt_map_with_cities.gif Likely due to TX actually having people living in it and that it isn't made up of massively large tracts of federally owned land. |
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Posted: 10/31/2012 8:25:31 AM EDT
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This thread reminds me of one of my neighbors. He has wooded acre with an old shack on it in the middle of his 40 acre crop land. Every few months, there's a mysterious grass fire that burns up about 50 feet or so before the local volunteers put it out. It's bee going on for years now. Dude's just too lazy to either clear the land manually or call the local FD for a permit. I'm surprised he hasn't been fucked with yet.
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Posted: 10/31/2012 8:26:22 AM EDT
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How many counties do you need? A lot. Texas is massive compared to your little island Not really. That is a fuckton of little counties compared to other large states. url=http://geology.com/state-map/maps/illinois-county-map.gif]http://geology.com/state-map/maps/illinois-county-map.gif[/url] http://geology.com/state-map/maps/california-county-map.gif http://www.myusoc.com/images/alaska-county-map_1_.gif https://jobs.mt.gov/jobs/images/mt_map_with_cities.gif Likely due to TX actually having people living in it and that it isn't made up of massively large tracts of federally owned land. 
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Posted: 10/31/2012 8:27:59 AM EDT
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It will matter on local laws, but as long as you don't try to claim any insurance or endanger anyone when you do it, you should be fine. Lots of places would just get you for open burning without a permit. Check with the local FD. They may want to do some training. If some one tried to ticket with you just tell them you don't know how it happened. |
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Posted: 10/31/2012 8:31:20 AM EDT
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Set fire to it then drive through it in a truck or on a motor cycle and film it from multiple angles Best idea yet. Maybe rent Bigfoot to drive through it |
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Posted: 10/31/2012 8:43:02 AM EDT
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Having worked in Fire Prevention I can tell you this. There are ordinances against large uncontrolled burns in many localities but there are no laws against stupidity. Take that to mean whatever you want.
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Posted: 10/31/2012 8:50:19 AM EDT
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What is it made of? There are people who pay good money for old barn wood and sheet metal.
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Posted: 10/31/2012 8:51:18 AM EDT
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Everyone remember that there are coc rules against promoting illegal activities. Please word your posts accordingly so this does not get locked.
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Posted: 10/31/2012 8:52:05 AM EDT
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What is it made of? There are people who pay good money for old barn wood and sheet metal. Wood and sheet metal but it's not large enough to mess with and the wood is pretty much rotten |
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Posted: 10/31/2012 8:52:06 AM EDT
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Local VFD's around go head-over-heels at the chance to do a training burn. You may even make some friends.
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Posted: 10/31/2012 9:04:43 AM EDT
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Quoted: can't see black smoke at night....just sayin.Quoted: Quoted: Just got off the phone with them. He said thanks but no thanks. They don't do it any more because the regulations and liability make it too complicated. No burn permits are needed. He ended the conversation by saying that there are a lot of environmental hoops to jump through but who would know if I just took a match to it .There sure are http://www.tceq.state.tx.us/assets/public/legal/rules/rules/pdflib/111b.pdf Can you do it legally? Not likely (you are not "supposed" to burn treated lumber and non-wood construction debris) What will happen if the state environmental people (EPA will not give a shit) just happened to catch you? (would require someone making a complaint about the smoke) They would likely just write you a Notice of Violation. You would have to write them a letter saying you will be a good boy in the future and not do it again. The chances you get caught in rural TX with no bitchy neighbors around? 0.0000001% Yes one problem is that wood piles = white smoke, fires with other items usually = black smoke. We used to use old tires to start brush piles when i was growing up but we had to stop b/c of environmental concerns. Everyone in the county knows its not a brush pile when there is black smoke. |
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Posted: 10/31/2012 9:42:11 AM EDT
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This thread reminds me of one of my neighbors. He has wooded acre with an old shack on it in the middle of his 40 acre crop land. Every few months, there's a mysterious grass fire that burns up about 50 feet or so before the local volunteers put it out. It's bee going on for years now. Dude's just too lazy to either clear the land manually or call the local FD for a permit. I'm surprised he hasn't been fucked with yet. '111.211. Exception for Prescribed Burn. Outdoor burning shall be authorized for: (1) Prescribed burning for forest, range and wildland/wildlife management purposes, with the exception of coastal salt-marsh management burning. Permits. We don't need no stinking permits*. Most of the time, it is more cost-effective to conduct burns than manual clearing *If you are living out in the county. I doubt many towns will want you burning. |
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Posted: 10/31/2012 9:51:16 AM EDT
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Quoted: can you see if a local fire department can use it for training? just an idea This happens all of the time and you will get a tax deduction for it as well.
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Posted: 10/31/2012 9:54:24 AM EDT
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Quoted: A lot of FDs won't do training burns like that anymore. Lots of BS involved. Our church had an old building the FD burned down for us a couple years back, and my employer just had one burned a couple months ago... These were both in the middle of town. Out in a rural area? Unless things have changed wildly in the last few years, I would think they would be okay. |
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Posted: 10/31/2012 9:58:35 AM EDT
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Didn't an ARFCOMer blow up an old barn?
And didn't it have something to do with a cannon? |
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Posted: 10/31/2012 11:09:19 AM EDT
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You may need a burn permit. Check your county for a burn ban. http://tfsfrp.tamu.edu/wildfires/DecBan.png How many counties do you need? A lot. Texas is massive compared to your little island Not really. That is a fuckton of little counties compared to other large states. http://geology.com/state-map/maps/illinois-county-map.gif http://geology.com/state-map/maps/california-county-map.gif http://www.myusoc.com/images/alaska-county-map_1_.gif https://jobs.mt.gov/jobs/images/mt_map_with_cities.gif Looks like Alaska has a county bigger than Bradders's entire island  It is, Yukon County = 147,843 square miles vs. Great Britain = 88,744.8 sq mi |
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Posted: 10/31/2012 11:13:06 AM EDT
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You're in TEXAS. Burn that bitch down. *I have no idea if it's against any laws though. But who would know what happened to it? Just tell them the building is gone and to stop appraising it. Tell them you lost it in a crap game
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Posted: 10/31/2012 11:23:50 AM EDT
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30 or 40 pounds of tannerite in the middle of it should reduce it to a lumber pile. Then it's just a bonfire where your barn used to be...
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Posted: 10/31/2012 11:26:18 AM EDT
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it is illegal in some stated (including GA) to burn anything other than brush/wood/weeds.
its probably the same in texas. GR |
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Posted: 10/31/2012 11:26:21 AM EDT
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Sorry Mr. ATF guy, all my firearms were stored in this barn down in Texas ...
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Posted: 10/31/2012 11:33:20 AM EDT
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Call the FD and ask what it takes for a controlled burn. Much better that the neighbor callin a structure fire and endangering reporting.presonel.
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Posted: 10/31/2012 11:34:28 AM EDT
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Just get the permits. As for the environmental concerns, generally all that is required is an inspection by a licensed inspector who writes a report. At most you will only have to remove a couple of things from the house, such as the roofing shingles. Once you get the permits, the FD might be interested.
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Posted: 10/31/2012 11:36:52 AM EDT
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Please, whatever you decide to do, ensure the local FD knows. We really don't want to risk our lives for a old barn someone was burning down on purpose.
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Posted: 10/31/2012 11:38:55 AM EDT
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you need to make sure there is no asbestos in the building before you burn it, but I believe you can get a permit to burn it down barring any bans or restrictions where you live. FD's are always looking for training too.
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Posted: 10/31/2012 11:40:11 AM EDT
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Sometimes I wonder if people even read threads before posting. In for future burn video!
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Posted: 10/31/2012 11:44:45 AM EDT
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Quoted: Depending on area you might get ticketed/in trouble from the fire chief. They may burn it down for training. It isn't unheard of. |
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Posted: 10/31/2012 11:59:36 AM EDT
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My dad bought some property with a small old house on it. A bulldozer knocked it down and diesel plus a lighter finished the job. Pushed the remains into a hole and buried them. Never had any legal problems with this method.
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Posted: 10/31/2012 12:01:23 PM EDT
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I feel like fucking Bill Murray up in this bitch.
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Posted: 10/31/2012 12:01:41 PM EDT
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Call your local FD, offer to let them use it for training.
Offer to host a big BBQ afterward with a few kegs of beer for the FD. Dealing with the county tax folks will probably be a little more complicated. |
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Posted: 10/31/2012 12:04:50 PM EDT
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This might be the most commented, yet least read thread I've ever seen here.
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Posted: 10/31/2012 12:10:49 PM EDT
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I wish it was wet enough here to start lighting buildings on fire.
We still have a burn ban in place.
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Posted: 10/31/2012 12:14:47 PM EDT
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Say I own a uninhabitable building in a rural area and I don't want to pay taxes on the improvements any more. The closest neighbor is probably a quarter mile away. It doesn't have insurance on it so i wouldn't be trying to make a claim on it. The cost to demolish it seems like it is worth more than the tax savings. Can I just burn it down? I burn brush piles all the time out here without any problems. Talk to the local fire department and see if they want to practice on it. Seriously. ETA: Well, crap, only suggested about two dozen times. |
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Posted: 10/31/2012 12:15:07 PM EDT
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You might be able to get a local fire department to come burn it down and use it as training, I've seen that happen a few times in my life.
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Posted: 10/31/2012 12:19:49 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/31/2012 12:27:59 PM EDT
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You might be able to get a local fire department to come burn it down and use it as training, I've seen that happen a few times in my life. Punch yourself in the face. |
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Posted: 10/31/2012 12:28:43 PM EDT
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Quoted: I feel like fucking Bill Murray up in this bitch. I say, go for it then. He's a Hollywood guy, he might just be game for it. |
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Posted: 10/31/2012 12:30:35 PM EDT
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Say I own a uninhabitable building in a rural area and I don't want to pay taxes on the improvements any more. The closest neighbor is probably a quarter mile away. It doesn't have insurance on it so i wouldn't be trying to make a claim on it. The cost to demolish it seems like it is worth more than the tax savings. Can I just burn it down? I burn brush piles all the time out here without any problems. can you see if a local fire department can use it for training? just an idea this is a very good idea I have seen that done once back while I lived in Utah - the house was used for training purposes |
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Posted: 10/31/2012 12:31:43 PM EDT
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The house that a friend grew up in was used by our local fire dept. as a training burn. They set fire to diff. rooms and then went in and put the fires out. After they were done they burned it to the ground as they stayed to keep it from spreading. I've got pictures of it burning somewhere. http://i47.tinypic.com/21jp17n.jpg http://i45.tinypic.com/2mn4os1.jpg http://i50.tinypic.com/11l52lt.jpg http://i50.tinypic.com/15xr8fs.jpg Vulcan94 Awesome! And they watered his lawn for him, too! What fine gentlemen. |
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Posted: 10/31/2012 12:32:14 PM EDT
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Quoted: Didn't an ARFCOMer blow up an old barn? And didn't it have something to do with a cannon? Yes, I remember the video but not the poster. |
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Posted: 10/31/2012 12:32:33 PM EDT
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Sounds like you ought to have a machine gun shoot.
with 5 gallon buckets of tannerite.
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Posted: 10/31/2012 12:32:39 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/31/2012 12:37:57 PM EDT
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Its only arson if you try to collect money on the fire. I'd just give the local FD a heads up and go ahead and burn it down. They might burn it down for you if you offer them to conduct training on the building. |
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Posted: 10/31/2012 12:45:34 PM EDT
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You might be able to get a local fire department to come burn it down and use it as training, I've seen that happen a few times in my life. Punch yourself in the face. One time for each time this has been suggested |
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Posted: 10/31/2012 12:47:01 PM EDT
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Its only arson if you try to collect money on the fire. I'd just give the local FD a heads up and go ahead and burn it down. So I can go a burn down a building and as long as I don't make any money off of it it's not Arson? Please show us that law in any state We are talking specifically about buildings that an individual OWNS. No one has ever said anything about other peoples' property. But you can be irrelevant if you want to. 
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Posted: 10/31/2012 12:58:01 PM EDT
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Please, whatever you decide to do, ensure the local FD knows. We really don't want to risk our lives for a old barn someone was burning down on purpose. LOL whatever man. Even if they were called and responded, they would show up and the OP would be there. They would see it's contained to just the building and the OP would inform them it's empty and an old building. They would then sit there and watch. No one would risk their lives. |
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Posted: 10/31/2012 12:59:00 PM EDT
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Say I own a uninhabitable building in a rural area and I don't want to pay taxes on the improvements any more. The closest neighbor is probably a quarter mile away. It doesn't have insurance on it so i wouldn't be trying to make a claim on it. The cost to demolish it seems like it is worth more than the tax savings. Can I just burn it down? I burn brush piles all the time out here without any problems. ALLOWING THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO BURN IT FOR TRAINING HAS ALREADY BEEN SUGGESTED IN THIS THREAD OVER AND OVER. IF YOU SUGGEST IT AGAIN THEN YOU ARE A DUMB ASS you could let the fire department burn it down. I didn't see it posted in this thread so I figured I throw it out there. Might even be able to get a tax write off for training. 
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Posted: 10/31/2012 1:01:07 PM EDT
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Blow it up?
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