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Posted: 1/19/2023 8:21:22 PM EST
[#1]
We “the modern world” have given all you have listed to numerous peoples and unfortunately with all of that they still behave worse then these tribesman on a remote fucking island. So no, we don’t need to intervene.
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Posted: 1/19/2023 8:22:56 PM EST
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We “the modern world” have given all you have listed to numerous peoples and unfortunately with all of that they still behave worse then these tribesman on a remote fucking island. So no, we don’t need to intervene. But…we are intervening by keeping everyone away. We intentionally keep them as some sort of anthropology project. ETA: and really it’s not very remote at all which makes it all the more strange that it has remained this way. |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 8:25:11 PM EST
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Posted: 1/19/2023 8:26:32 PM EST
[#4]
We keep?
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Posted: 1/19/2023 8:26:48 PM EST
[#5]
Haven't you heard of the Prime Directive? We can't interfere with their civilization until they discover twerking, usury, and gender transformation therapy.
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Posted: 1/19/2023 8:27:37 PM EST
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We keep? Obviously it’s not me or you personally. It’s actually India . “We” meaning modern society. Basically the 99.999999999% of the rest of the world that is aware of some modicum of what the world is actually like. |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 8:28:23 PM EST
[#7]
They tried to intervene in Chicago.
It didn’t work. |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 8:28:35 PM EST
[#8]
They want to be left alone. What's your issue with leaving them alone ?
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Posted: 1/19/2023 8:30:12 PM EST
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They want to be left alone. What's your issue with leaving them alone ? I am posing a philosophical question. We don’t know how they would actually react if people weren’t actively kept away. The choice is being made for them. |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 8:31:13 PM EST
[#10]
They are keeping themselves in the stone age by killing anyone who lands on the island.
We are not doing it. |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 8:32:38 PM EST
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I am posing a philosophical question. We don’t know how they would actually react if people weren’t actively kept away. The choice is being made for them. We do know how they'd react, they tend to kill unauthorized visitors , like that missionary guy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Allen_Chau |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 8:32:39 PM EST
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I am posing a philosophical question. We don’t know how they would actually react if people weren’t actively kept away. The choice is being made for them. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They want to be left alone. What's your issue with leaving them alone ? I am posing a philosophical question. We don’t know how they would actually react if people weren’t actively kept away. The choice is being made for them. Except we kinda do. They throw pointed sticks at everyone. |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 8:33:26 PM EST
[#13]
Why should they have the whole island to themselves? Other people should be free to go there. Inclusion and all that shit.
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Posted: 1/19/2023 8:33:53 PM EST
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They are keeping themselves in the stone age by killing anyone who lands on the island. We are not doing it. Ah, but that’s not correct. They have formed relationships with anthropologist who would bring them coconuts and other food. They have killed I think two people decades ago, shot another in the leg. The may have killed others but that is the ones that got them their reputation. ETA: and apparently a missionary? I don’t know that one. |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 8:34:12 PM EST
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Except we kinda do. They throw pointed sticks at everyone. Yea isn't this the tribe that killed that Evangelical Christian guy who wanted to convert them? |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 8:34:12 PM EST
[#16]
Those 80 or so islanders are so inbred and fucked up there’s no way they can meet modern society.
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Posted: 1/19/2023 8:34:48 PM EST
[#17]
No. We tried to turn Afghanistan and Iraq into Mayberry RFD. How did that work out?
People just want to be whatever they are. |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 8:35:15 PM EST
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ah, but that’s not correct. They have formed relationships with anthropologist who would bring them coconuts and other food. They have killed I think two people decades ago, shot another in the leg. The may have killed others but that is the ones that got them their reputation. They killed a guy much more recently than that! Had to look him up  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Allen_Chau https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/feb/03/john-chau-christian-missionary-death-sentinelese |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 8:36:29 PM EST
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No. We tried to turn Afghanistan and Iraq into Mayberry RFD. How did that work out? People just want to be whatever they are. So then the real question is should people be kept away without any actual input from the tribe? Despite the fact they have had positive interactions more than bad? |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 8:36:32 PM EST
[#20]
Drop off a glass Coke bottle, a Glock 17 with a couple loaded 'stendos, and a bunch of Hustler magazines.
Watch. Learn. |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 8:36:40 PM EST
[#21]
The first thing the video says is that "they are people who are in voluntary isolation who protect themselves from the outside world with force."
If we are leaving them alone, we are doing what they want us to do. |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 8:40:02 PM EST
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The first thing the video says is that "they are people who are in voluntary isolation who protect themselves from the outside world with force." If we are leaving them alone, it's doing what they want us to do. We have no actual idea. We never really communicate with them. They just accept gifts from some people and murder others. Just to be clear, I don’t give a shit about bringing them into the modern world. I guess what I am saying is India right in keeping others away from the island? |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 8:40:02 PM EST
[#23]
If they had anything of value, modern civilization would crush them and take it and put them on food stamps in some liberal Dem welfare program.
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Posted: 1/19/2023 8:40:48 PM EST
[#24]
Have someone in a "pope mobile" type enclosed vehicle that arrows and stones can't penetrate shoot them with tranquilizer darts and shackle them all.
Then when they are subdued, get some linguistics experts in to get some communication going. Once we can talk to them, we can explain we don't intend to harm them. But the only way that happens is by capturing and rendering them harmless first. That said, it's a very big government kind of thing to do, and I think they should probably just be left alone. Not because they defend themselves against perceived threats, but because there should be a place in the world where everyone can go to be left alone and do whatever the fuck they want. |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 8:40:52 PM EST
[#25]
Never get out of the boat....
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Posted: 1/19/2023 8:42:25 PM EST
[#26]
They are a sovereign people that want to be left alone.
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Posted: 1/19/2023 8:42:46 PM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Those 80 or so islanders are so inbred and fucked up there's no way they can meet modern society. Not only that, it's doubtful they have been exposed to any modern respiratory diseases, including the flu, COVID, and the common cold. It would be similar to what happened when the American natives encountered smallpox and measles for the first time; 90% of them would die of something in the first year. |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 8:43:48 PM EST
[#28]
I flew a drone over it and dropped an iPad loaded with prono.
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Posted: 1/19/2023 8:44:40 PM EST
[#29]
Let’s approach it this way….
Should I be allowed to try to talk to them if I want and get an arrow for it if they choose Or should the Indian government prevent what was a natural evolution for all remaining Stone Age tribes even here in America just because it seems pretty neat to have a pet tribe? |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 8:45:42 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We have no actual idea. We never really communicate with them. They just accept gifts from some people and murder others. Just to be clear, I don't give a shit about bringing them into the modern world. I guess what I am saying is India right in keeping others away from the island? |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 8:45:56 PM EST
[#31]
Send them photo albums of 1st world countries. Have they ever seen a skyscraper?
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Posted: 1/19/2023 8:46:40 PM EST
[#32]
Don't worry. Their day is coming. One day soon some new fangled type of lidar will find unobtainium there and it will be all over for the natives.
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Posted: 1/19/2023 8:46:50 PM EST
[#33]
A couple nice kids in white shirts and black ties could show up in those little boats you pedal and share some good news about another testament of Jesus Christ and those spear-chucking arrow-shooting weirdos would be caught up to at least a 1950s cultural level in no time, as long as they didn’t balk at the 10% and no fermented jungle fruit.
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Posted: 1/19/2023 8:46:51 PM EST
[#34]
Nobody’s stopping them. If they wanted to, they could go ahead and invent the wheel, or a written language, or a concept of morals that prohibited murder, or fire, or I dunno, have their own Bronze Age or Industrial Revolution. I don’t think there’s a massive conspiracy to identify their smartest and eliminate them.
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Posted: 1/19/2023 8:47:12 PM EST
[#35]
LOL! Great question. Do we leave them to their stone age existence or do the humane thing and bring them modern medicine and nutrition? Of course in doing so we will wreck their society and make turn them into a welfare group?
It is a good ethics question. Valid points all the way around. Personally I am not concerned but the idea of keeping them on display on their island cage does sound entertaining to me. |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 8:48:17 PM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So the video you posted as reference for your topic is wrong in the first 10 seconds? The first thing the narrator says, is that they want to left the fuck alone and they use force to attempt to ensure it. I didn’t even watch the video, I just grabbed one so people wouldn’t ask what I was talking about. But yes, they video is wrong as we have never communicated with them beyond some hand gestures and handing them food. |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 8:48:57 PM EST
[#37]
I would like to propose that we take their land
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Posted: 1/19/2023 8:49:07 PM EST
[#38]
Obviously the only solution to this island and its inhabitants is to give a few billion to Ukraine.
Leave these people alone. |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 8:49:42 PM EST
[#39]
Just nuke the island and be done with it.
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Posted: 1/19/2023 8:49:53 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The first thing the video says is that "they are people who are in voluntary isolation who protect themselves from the outside world with force." If we are leaving them alone, we are doing what they want us to do. Do they take membership applications?
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Posted: 1/19/2023 8:50:40 PM EST
[#41]
Their island, their rules?
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Posted: 1/19/2023 8:51:11 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Haven't you heard of the Prime Directive? We can't interfere with their civilization until they discover twerking, usury, and gender transformation therapy.  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 8:52:07 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I didn't even watch the video, I just grabbed one so people wouldn't ask what I was talking about. But yes, they video is wrong as we have never communicated with them beyond some hand gestures and handing them food. |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 8:52:30 PM EST
[#44]
There has been a couple ship wrecks there that they stripped for stuff.
At the end of the day…fuck it, I would personally leave them alone as I have no feeling of obligation to bring them to the modern work or introduce them to the gospel. But I am not sure I support a government keeping everyone always either. That’s up to the natives I guess. |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 8:53:02 PM EST
[#45]
Their actions tell everyone that they want left the hell alone. Why not oblige them? There's likely nothing of great value on the island, and they've been there for a good long time.
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Posted: 1/19/2023 8:54:05 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well now I feel dumb. I am sitting here watching the thing because you linked it. Sorry man. I was searching for the one I watched today that had the two Indian anthropologist that interacted with them for like 25 years. Granted it was very limited. |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 8:55:09 PM EST
[#47]
What makes you think they are doing it wrong?
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Posted: 1/19/2023 8:55:23 PM EST
[#48]
Once we tell them they are poor, we have to pay them
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Posted: 1/19/2023 8:55:50 PM EST
[#49]
Five words for ya op...The God's Must Be Crazy.
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Posted: 1/19/2023 8:56:56 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I am posing a philosophical question. We don’t know how they would actually react if people weren’t actively kept away. The choice is being made for them. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They want to be left alone. What's your issue with leaving them alone ? I am posing a philosophical question. We don’t know how they would actually react if people weren’t actively kept away. The choice is being made for them. I am philosophically at ease leaving people alone. |
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