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Posted: 1/19/2023 8:57:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I am posing a philosophical question. We don’t know how they would actually react if people weren’t actively kept away. The choice is being made for them. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They want to be left alone. What's your issue with leaving them alone ? I am posing a philosophical question. We don’t know how they would actually react if people weren’t actively kept away. The choice is being made for them. They choose to kill anyone who fucks with them. I'd say you know how they react. Who's making that choice for them ? |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 8:57:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What makes you think they are doing it wrong? I don’t care what they decide to do as I have said. The question is should another entity be making that decision for them, which India currently does. |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 8:59:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Let's approach it this way . Should I be allowed to try to talk to them if I want and get an arrow for it if they choose Or should the Indian government prevent what was a natural evolution for all remaining Stone Age tribes even here in America just because it seems pretty neat to have a pet tribe? If you're going in, make them think you're their god first.  |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 9:00:28 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They choose to kill anyone who fucks with them. I'd say you know how they react. Who's making that choice for them ? They don’t kill anyone that interacts with them. They certainly have killed some. Others they have run out and greeted. India controls access to the island. Was it wrong for Europeans to interact with Native Americans? There was plenty of killing there as well. |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 9:01:12 PM EST
[#5]
Op, why don't you go over and share with them all you think they should know?
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Posted: 1/19/2023 9:01:14 PM EST
[#6]
They might be the smart ones.
I think that about the Amish sometimes too. |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 9:02:34 PM EST
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Op, why don't you go over and share with them all you think they should know? Which is not the point at all. |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 9:02:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I would like to propose that we take their land Estimate of less than 200 population...figure 50% male. Should be relatively easy to slaughter 100 guys armed with pointed sticks. What do the women look like? A case of ammo, some beads and mirrors...you've got a sovereign kingdom with a built in harem. |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 9:02:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They are a sovereign people that want to be left alone. On a tribal level that's exactly what it is. If they find you amusing you might live for a few days. If you're a do-gooder like the OP you'll probably be killed before you get off the boat. |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 9:03:45 PM EST
[#10]
Leave them alone.
Im sure they could have boated elsewhere by now if they cared. |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 9:05:05 PM EST
[#11]
They seem to want to be left alone. They have had some positive interactions, but the have also tried to keep people away. They are likely aware of the modern miracles out there, such as planes, large ships etc. Also, they have seen what people show up with near their island. So they probably want to be left alone. Besides that, being exposed to the outside world would likely kill a good portion of them as they haven't been exposed to the myriad germs and viruses that our world would hold in store for their severely under utilized immune system.
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Posted: 1/19/2023 9:05:49 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: On a tribal level that's exactly what it is. If they find you amusing you might live for a few days. If you're a do-gooder like the OP you'll probably be killed before you get off the boat. Maybe you missed the part where I, the OP said I don’t actually care what they choose. But I, the OP, don’t think it’s the place of a third party with no communication with the tribe to purposely exclude them from interaction because it’s a neat thing to witness. If they want to shoot people them let them do it. Hell drop them firearms with pictographs. Let them really kill some people and keep inbreeding. |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 9:08:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't care what they decide to do as I have said. The question is should another entity be making that decision for them, which India currently does. |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 9:08:59 PM EST
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I am philosophically at ease leaving people alone. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: They want to be left alone. What's your issue with leaving them alone ? I am posing a philosophical question. We don’t know how they would actually react if people weren’t actively kept away. The choice is being made for them. I am philosophically at ease leaving people alone. If it doesn't pick my pocket or break my leg I don't really give a shit. But if you invade my island and try to fill us with your ideas I'll fill you full of arrows. Thomas Jefferson. 
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Posted: 1/19/2023 9:12:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If it doesn't pick my pocket or break my leg I don't really give a shit. But if you invade my island and try to fill us with your ideas I'll fill you full of arrows. Thomas Jefferson. And I 100% support their right to shoot a mofo. Let them kill every person that wants to visit the Island. Or not. Let it be their choice. |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 9:14:38 PM EST
[#16]
Meh, they have nothing I need. Persian women are hot tho.
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Posted: 1/19/2023 9:17:50 PM EST
[#17]
Quoted: I mean I get it, they pretty much try to kill anyone that comes near but there hasn’t been any concerted effort to let them know about science and technology. Is it kind of fucked up that we don’t work to give them the information and let them decide if they want to remain primitive? Basically, we almost treat them like an ant farm. Or some sort of aquarium with a pet project inside. By we I just mean the modern world. Medicine, technology, hell even mosquito nets. I am not sure we are under any sort of obligation. But on the other hand contact is intentionally kept away stopping what would have been a natural introduction to the modern world. You just described evangelicals in the US. Some come around. Others decide to remain primitive. |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 9:17:56 PM EST
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They hurry like savages to get aboard an iron train
And though it's smokey and it's crowded, they're too civilized to complain When they've got two weeks vacation, they hurry to vacation ground (What do they do, darling) They swim and they fish, but that's what I do all year round. |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 9:19:52 PM EST
[#19]
They aren't stone age anymore, they've been salvaging the ever increasing amount of floating junk on their island for decades now to make tools with. What's really interesting though is that they're also smart enough to keep their population level low and understand that too many mouths to feed is going to make their lifestyle unsustainable.
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Posted: 1/19/2023 9:20:01 PM EST
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I am posing a philosophical question. We don’t know how they would actually react if people weren’t actively kept away. The choice is being made for them. It's always gone badly in the past. |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 9:20:33 PM EST
[#21]
I think they should be invaded and conquered. Once civilized, they can visit their culture in a museum.
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Posted: 1/19/2023 9:20:57 PM EST
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: But…we are intervening by keeping everyone away. We intentionally keep them as some sort of anthropology project. ETA: and really it’s not very remote at all which makes it all the more strange that it has remained this way. Now you know how the aliens view us! |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 9:22:05 PM EST
[#23]
I worked in “developing” nations for a while. We’d build roads and the buses and trucks would bring things. Things they villagers never had before. Some good things like clothing, food and medicine, school books and farming supplies. However, the trucks and buses also brought bad things to the village like alcohol and cigarettes, toxic chemicals without the training to use them. They brought diseases, bugs and rodents. Drinking water was soon contaminated with Human waste, industrial chemicals and trash. They brought single-use plastics to people whose trash used to consist of wood and leaves, chicken feathers and other things that will burn or rot quickly. What the trucks and buses took out was the village youth who wanted to go to the city and see Madonna (this was back in the early 90s) and crops which were worth more in city markets than selling to your neighbors.
Then the buses and trucks brought big government and taxes  For what I helped do to those people, may gawd have mercy on my soul  |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 9:22:28 PM EST
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They don’t kill anyone that interacts with them. They certainly have killed some. Others they have run out and greeted. India controls access to the island. Was it wrong for Europeans to interact with Native Americans? There was plenty of killing there as well. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They choose to kill anyone who fucks with them. I'd say you know how they react. Who's making that choice for them ? They don’t kill anyone that interacts with them. They certainly have killed some. Others they have run out and greeted. India controls access to the island. Was it wrong for Europeans to interact with Native Americans? There was plenty of killing there as well. I didn't know we were talking about Indians in NA. Maybe blackfox can steer you over there and you can approach on a smaller boat to shoreline and see how it works out. Our maybe you could not fuck around and leave them alone and not find out ? |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 9:22:53 PM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Have someone in a "pope mobile" type enclosed vehicle that arrows and stones can't penetrate shoot them with tranquilizer darts and shackle them all. Then when they are subdued, get some linguistics experts in to get some communication going. Once we can talk to them, we can explain we don't intend to harm them. But the only way that happens is by capturing and rendering them harmless first. That said, it's a very big government kind of thing to do, and I think they should probably just be left alone. Not because they defend themselves against perceived threats, but because there should be a place in the world where everyone can go to be left alone and do whatever the fuck they want. Don't forget to anally-probe them too! |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 9:23:44 PM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: In this case, India is protecting them: these people are simply not ready to meet the modern world. The only way to save them is to leave them alone. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I don't care what they decide to do as I have said. The question is should another entity be making that decision for them, which India currently does. For all we know, killing invaders is part of their coming of age tradition, and we're actually destroying the cornerstone of their civilization! |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 9:24:32 PM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I think they should be invaded and conquered. Once civilized, they can visit their culture in a museum. Dude, this is artwork. Mind if I add this to my sig line? |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 9:24:53 PM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe you missed the part where I, the OP said I don’t actually care what they choose. But I, the OP, don’t think it’s the place of a third party with no communication with the tribe to purposely exclude them from interaction because it’s a neat thing to witness. If they want to shoot people them let them do it. Hell drop them firearms with pictographs. Let them really kill some people and keep inbreeding. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: On a tribal level that's exactly what it is. If they find you amusing you might live for a few days. If you're a do-gooder like the OP you'll probably be killed before you get off the boat. Maybe you missed the part where I, the OP said I don’t actually care what they choose. But I, the OP, don’t think it’s the place of a third party with no communication with the tribe to purposely exclude them from interaction because it’s a neat thing to witness. If they want to shoot people them let them do it. Hell drop them firearms with pictographs. Let them really kill some people and keep inbreeding. If you don't care what they choose then why are you fucking with them ? |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 9:26:04 PM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Dude, this is artwork. Mind if I add this to my sig line?  |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 9:26:04 PM EST
[#30]
I'm torn between leaving them alone and air dropping them bushels of early 2000s porn rags.
Maybe a radio that is already turned on. I would err towards leaving them alone and wishing I could defend myself the same way-i don't like you here and spear through the sternum is a lawful answer. |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 9:26:53 PM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don’t care what they decide to do as I have said. The question is should another entity be making that decision for them, which India currently does. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What makes you think they are doing it wrong? I don’t care what they decide to do as I have said. The question is should another entity be making that decision for them, which India currently does. It sound like you think modern society is the only way things should be and they are somehow being left out. Look how well the rest of developing counties are doing after we have attempted to modernize their existing social system. |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 9:27:25 PM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If you don't care what they choose then why are you fucking with them ? Maybe because I want to live there? Colonize. If they don’t want me they can kill me if they want and can. I mean you see the trap in all of this. We say they are sovereign but they aren’t Honestly it’s just a thought discussion on how we intentionally keep a group of people as pets. |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 9:28:28 PM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: ...is India right in keeping others away from the island? Yes. If someone wants to be left alone, leave them alone. If you have one jerk/hermit neighbor, who throws a fit about any human contact, when you see a door-to-door salesman headed that way you warn them not to go.  |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 9:28:47 PM EST
[#34]
We could send some transgender outreach specialists to explain how to live.
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Posted: 1/19/2023 9:28:58 PM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe because I want to live there? Colonize. If they don’t want me they can kill me if they want and can. I mean you see the trap in all of this. We say they are sovereign but they aren’t Honestly it’s just a thought process on how we intentionally keep a group of people as pets. But isn't it fun to maintain that little zoo? |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 9:29:11 PM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: For all we know, killing invaders is part of their coming of age tradition, and we're actually destroying the cornerstone of their civilization! GD would be welcomed as liberators.... 
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Posted: 1/19/2023 9:31:15 PM EST
[#37]
where do stone age tribes get metal tipped arrows?
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Posted: 1/19/2023 9:31:18 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe because I want to live there? Colonize. If they don’t want me they can kill me if they want and can. I mean you see the trap in all of this. We say they are sovereign but they aren’t Honestly it’s just a thought discussion on how we intentionally keep a group of people as pets. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If you don't care what they choose then why are you fucking with them ? Maybe because I want to live there? Colonize. If they don’t want me they can kill me if they want and can. I mean you see the trap in all of this. We say they are sovereign but they aren’t Honestly it’s just a thought discussion on how we intentionally keep a group of people as pets. I'f they're pets go give them a hug and a rub. Report back |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 9:32:15 PM EST
[#39]
What right does anyone have to bother them? They have shown they aren't interested so leave them alone. It's not like we could improve anything. I bet their Miss Island is a real woman and not a transgender whatever.
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Posted: 1/19/2023 9:32:39 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: where do stone age tribes get metal tipped arrows? |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 9:34:41 PM EST
[#41]
I think it would be unethical to try and make close contact with them
1: they have made it very clear that they don’t want to interact with us 2: modern diseases would kill them off. |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 9:34:46 PM EST
[#42]
Quote History Star Trek Into Darkness: Enterprise rising from the ocean |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 9:34:57 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I worked in “developing” nations for a while. We’d build roads and the buses and trucks would bring things. Things they villagers never had before. Some good things like clothing, food and medicine, school books and farming supplies. However, the trucks and buses also brought bad things to the village like alcohol and cigarettes, toxic chemicals without the training to use them. They brought diseases, bugs and rodents. Drinking water was soon contaminated with Human waste, industrial chemicals and trash. They brought single-use plastics to people whose trash used to consist of wood and leaves, chicken feathers and other things that will burn or rot quickly. What the trucks and buses took out was the village youth who wanted to go to the city and see Madonna (this was back in the early 90s) and crops which were worth more in city markets than selling to your neighbors. Then the buses and trucks brought big government and taxes For what I helped do to those people, may gawd have mercy on my soul Tennessee? |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 9:36:44 PM EST
[#44]
There has never been a better example of "fuck off and mind your own business" than the Sentinelese.
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Posted: 1/19/2023 9:37:07 PM EST
[#45]
I think the idea is to prevent exposing them to diseases to which they have no immunity.
That said, I don't really care what happens to a few inbred retards on a shitty little rock in the Indian Ocean. |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 9:38:55 PM EST
[#46]
They're people like you and me and the clearly want to be left alone
what's it with some folks that want to rule over other people? |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 9:40:21 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I am posing a philosophical question. We don’t know how they would actually react if people weren’t actively kept away. The choice is being made for them. IMO, why do we want to know? They don’t want to be bothered. We don’t have to intervene their current lifestyle. |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 9:40:26 PM EST
[#48]
Because the modern way of life is soo awesome.
“Hey you primitive fuckheads welcome to the future. Have fun being a wage slave and being ruled by scum!” |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 9:40:31 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They might be the smart ones. I think that about the Amish sometimes too. you aint kiddin i do like my modern conveniences tho |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 9:41:30 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'f they're pets go give them a hug and a rub. Report back I have kept a rattlesnake in a cage. All I am asserting is that the modern world actively works to keep these particular people ignorant of the rest of the world and basically as someone said above, a zoo. They do this by restricting access to the island I guess because the people on the island are too dumb or primitive and must be looked after? Except of course for the people they deem worthy to have interactions with the ant farm. |
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