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Posted: 10/25/2018 10:31:53 PM EDT
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Quoted: Nobody says outht here, we always double odd, 30 odd 6. you say it your way I'll say it mine, if it bugs you tough shit. And no it's not just another shotgun, and no it's not manageable with slugs or full power 00 odd buck. It's a bitch, quit filling everybody full of shit, it's a bear to hang on to if your not ready, unlike a stocked shotgun which you aim in a normal way! You want to hit something aim it turbo. Even with LE double odd buck. Second of all any grown man should be able to "manage" or hold on to a shockwave.. hell my 8 year old son loves the thing, now I won't load the tube with slugs for him, but He has shot a few rounds of high brass #4s and buck in his day and manages not to wine or cry about it, or have it slip from his hands.. I'm honestly beginning to wonder if all the hate for shockwaves or 12 gauges in general stems from jealousy of those that are to week actually use them.. It's a 12 Gauge, much like the stocked version, it's gonna kick.. big Fucking deal.. hold it like a man, point it at something, pull the trigger and hold onto it.. Third, if you actually decided to shoot it enough times instead of crying about recoil, you would soon discover you can pull up and hit shit much faster then a shotgun with a stock.. shoot it enough and you can actuallly hit shit reliably with out even using the bead.. for example:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYjThckYqBQThat was a fairly disingenuous video from them. |
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Posted: 10/25/2018 10:36:55 PM EDT
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I'm wondering: if one was to take a rifled slug barrel and cut it to size then add a nice ghost site to the Shockwave, would that make it a slightly longer distsnce, more effective toy. Err, um, tool? |
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Posted: 10/25/2018 10:44:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: None of the shotguns used are comparable. That was a fairly disingenuous video from them. I always thought it would be neat to have a coach gun. Now I really think I want. Bet you can break it down in 2 pieces with the pull of a lever! Handy |
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Posted: 10/25/2018 10:48:48 PM EDT
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It was on the nuts, maybe it will show some of these people around here why they suck. I always thought it would be neat to have a coach gun. Now I really think I want. Bet you can break it down in 2 pieces with the pull of a lever! Handy Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: None of the shotguns used are comparable. That was a fairly disingenuous video from them. I always thought it would be neat to have a coach gun. Now I really think I want. Bet you can break it down in 2 pieces with the pull of a lever! Handy Straight pistol grip shotguns in the 18" - 20" barrel length do not shot as nice or fast as a shotgun with a 14" barrel and a shockwave grip. |
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Posted: 10/25/2018 10:50:19 PM EDT
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None of the shotguns used are comparable. That was a fairly disingenuous video from them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: Nobody says outht here, we always double odd, 30 odd 6. you say it your way I'll say it mine, if it bugs you tough shit. And no it's not just another shotgun, and no it's not manageable with slugs or full power 00 odd buck. It's a bitch, quit filling everybody full of shit, it's a bear to hang on to if your not ready, unlike a stocked shotgun which you aim in a normal way! You want to hit something aim it turbo. Even with LE double odd buck. Second of all any grown man should be able to "manage" or hold on to a shockwave.. hell my 8 year old son loves the thing, now I won't load the tube with slugs for him, but He has shot a few rounds of high brass #4s and buck in his day and manages not to wine or cry about it, or have it slip from his hands.. I'm honestly beginning to wonder if all the hate for shockwaves or 12 gauges in general stems from jealousy of those that are to week actually use them.. It's a 12 Gauge, much like the stocked version, it's gonna kick.. big Fucking deal.. hold it like a man, point it at something, pull the trigger and hold onto it.. Third, if you actually decided to shoot it enough times instead of crying about recoil, you would soon discover you can pull up and hit shit much faster then a shotgun with a stock.. shoot it enough and you can actuallly hit shit reliably with out even using the bead.. for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYjThckYqBQThat was a fairly disingenuous video from them. I never thought there is much argument that a full sized shotgun is easier to shoot fast and accurately than a pgo shotgun. Birdshead grip or otherwise. Strapping it to a ruck, grabbing it from behind my Subarus passenger seat, or crawling through a swamp on my hands and knees are why I like the shockwave. Of course a full sized shotgun is easier to shoot. The fact that they need a half hour to prove there point blows my mind. I've posted 2 minute videos showing I'm much better with my 590A1. |
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Posted: 10/25/2018 11:01:16 PM EDT
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If true why do I see Black Ace Tactical versions with shorter barrels and folding arm braces sold locally at gunstores without the Federal paperwork? Would it be because the gunstore owners have absolutely no idea what they're doing? https://static.wixstatic.com/media/452ad6_c27c503fc72b4bd8a0153c241da312b3~mv2_d_2617_2617_s_4_2.jpg/v1/fill/w_520,h_520,q_85,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01/452ad6_c27c503fc72b4bd8a0153c241da312b3~mv2_d_2617_2617_s_4_2.jpg https://static.wixstatic.com/media/452ad6_912b65f5dc104c0ea3aadf579a3480af~mv2_d_2592_2592_s_4_2.jpg/v1/fill/w_520,h_520,q_85,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01/452ad6_912b65f5dc104c0ea3aadf579a3480af~mv2_d_2592_2592_s_4_2.jpg |
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Posted: 10/25/2018 11:01:37 PM EDT
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I only watched the first 6 minutes. I'm headed into work and will finish later. I never thought there is much argument that a full sized shotgun is easier to shoot fast and accurately than a pgo shotgun. Birdshead grip or otherwise. Strapping it to a ruck, grabbing it from behind my Subarus passenger seat, or crawling through a swamp on my hands and knees are why I like the shockwave. Of course a full sized shotgun is easier to shoot. The fact that they need a half hour to prove there point blows my mind. I've posted 2 minute videos showing I'm much better with my 590A1. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: Nobody says outht here, we always double odd, 30 odd 6. you say it your way I'll say it mine, if it bugs you tough shit. And no it's not just another shotgun, and no it's not manageable with slugs or full power 00 odd buck. It's a bitch, quit filling everybody full of shit, it's a bear to hang on to if your not ready, unlike a stocked shotgun which you aim in a normal way! You want to hit something aim it turbo. Even with LE double odd buck. Second of all any grown man should be able to "manage" or hold on to a shockwave.. hell my 8 year old son loves the thing, now I won't load the tube with slugs for him, but He has shot a few rounds of high brass #4s and buck in his day and manages not to wine or cry about it, or have it slip from his hands.. I'm honestly beginning to wonder if all the hate for shockwaves or 12 gauges in general stems from jealousy of those that are to week actually use them.. It's a 12 Gauge, much like the stocked version, it's gonna kick.. big Fucking deal.. hold it like a man, point it at something, pull the trigger and hold onto it.. Third, if you actually decided to shoot it enough times instead of crying about recoil, you would soon discover you can pull up and hit shit much faster then a shotgun with a stock.. shoot it enough and you can actuallly hit shit reliably with out even using the bead.. for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYjThckYqBQThat was a fairly disingenuous video from them. I never thought there is much argument that a full sized shotgun is easier to shoot fast and accurately than a pgo shotgun. Birdshead grip or otherwise. Strapping it to a ruck, grabbing it from behind my Subarus passenger seat, or crawling through a swamp on my hands and knees are why I like the shockwave. Of course a full sized shotgun is easier to shoot. The fact that they need a half hour to prove there point blows my mind. I've posted 2 minute videos showing I'm much better with my 590A1. |
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Posted: 10/25/2018 11:16:37 PM EDT
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Not without modding https://i.imgur.com/U9IGlke.jpg https://i.imgur.com/SHsvf8x.jpg https://i.imgur.com/kuDuOr3.jpg https://i.imgur.com/EIfqIh3.jpg?1 The easy approach is to chop it/sand and file things evenly. Use a razor blade on the rubber, and a saw on the polymer. The harder approach is to do the above, but don't cut it as short. Leave some meat on the handguard and take off some material inside of the fore-arm so the castle nut is actually inside the handguard some what. I think it turned out okay, It only cost me $18, I might do another with the later method. I did email Hogue, they said they have no plans to make a shockwave fore-arm. 
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Quoted: It is manageable. With the right loads. You aren't going to run full powered loads through a snub nose are you? Buck and slugs have been fine, but I'm not using 3" shells out of this thing. I'm tempted to try a few though. If normal buck/slugs hurt out of this idk what to say. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/333164/do-you-even-lift-bro_jpg-716826.JPG I'd like a Hogue style forend. Does a Hogue forend fit? https://i.imgur.com/U9IGlke.jpg https://i.imgur.com/SHsvf8x.jpg https://i.imgur.com/kuDuOr3.jpg https://i.imgur.com/EIfqIh3.jpg?1 The easy approach is to chop it/sand and file things evenly. Use a razor blade on the rubber, and a saw on the polymer. The harder approach is to do the above, but don't cut it as short. Leave some meat on the handguard and take off some material inside of the fore-arm so the castle nut is actually inside the handguard some what. I think it turned out okay, It only cost me $18, I might do another with the later method. I did email Hogue, they said they have no plans to make a shockwave fore-arm.
I hear the regular tac-14 fore-arms fit with no modifications. I wonder if GG&G might start modding the Hogue like they do the Magpul forend for the Shockwave? |
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Posted: 10/25/2018 11:19:46 PM EDT
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Thanks. Looks like you did a great job. I really like the grip texture of the Hogue. I wonder if GG&G might start modding the Hogue like they do the Magpul forend for the Shockwave? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: It is manageable. With the right loads. You aren't going to run full powered loads through a snub nose are you? Buck and slugs have been fine, but I'm not using 3" shells out of this thing. I'm tempted to try a few though. If normal buck/slugs hurt out of this idk what to say. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/333164/do-you-even-lift-bro_jpg-716826.JPG I'd like a Hogue style forend. Does a Hogue forend fit? https://i.imgur.com/U9IGlke.jpg https://i.imgur.com/SHsvf8x.jpg https://i.imgur.com/kuDuOr3.jpg https://i.imgur.com/EIfqIh3.jpg?1 The easy approach is to chop it/sand and file things evenly. Use a razor blade on the rubber, and a saw on the polymer. The harder approach is to do the above, but don't cut it as short. Leave some meat on the handguard and take off some material inside of the fore-arm so the castle nut is actually inside the handguard some what. I think it turned out okay, It only cost me $18, I might do another with the later method. I did email Hogue, they said they have no plans to make a shockwave fore-arm.
I hear the regular tac-14 fore-arms fit with no modifications. I wonder if GG&G might start modding the Hogue like they do the Magpul forend for the Shockwave? |
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Posted: 10/25/2018 11:38:07 PM EDT
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Useless? Not even close.
Compact, reliable repeating action that can shoot a viriety of ammo. Ammo ranging from ideal for large dangerous game up close to cheap target shooting. We live in an era where less than 20 rounds is a “compromise” for some reason. Regardless of the round and it’s capability. Hell it might be even be ideal for a few situations includjng defensive close quarters shtf, home protection and woods gun. Or close enough to be in an argument about it. I’ve had to kill once out of anger. Two javelina vs my 30lb dog. Despite having the guns and room on my property to shoot them at 100+ yards I grabbed my pistol and flashlight and got within 7yds. In that situation it would have been excellent. |
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Posted: 10/25/2018 11:43:34 PM EDT
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Useless? Not even close. Compact, reliable repeating action that can shoot a viriety of ammo. Ammo ranging from ideal for large dangerous game up close to cheap target shooting. We live in an era where less than 20 rounds is a "compromise" for some reason. Regardless of the round and it's capability. Hell it might be even be ideal for a few situations includjng defensive close quarters shtf, home protection and woods gun. Or close enough to be in an argument about it. I've had to kill once out of anger. Two javelina vs my 30lb dog. Despite having the guns and room on my property to shoot them at 100+ yards I grabbed my pistol and flashlight and got within 7yds. In that situation it would have been excellent. |
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Posted: 10/25/2018 11:48:38 PM EDT
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Please tell me what braces and folders these are
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Stupid IMHO. 
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Posted: 10/25/2018 11:50:03 PM EDT
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I don't know why you guys have to act like you buy guns for a real reason other than you want them.
I like shooting shotguns. |
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Posted: 10/26/2018 4:06:08 AM EDT
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I've gotta try this. Shooting clays with the Shockwave, fun starts at 2:25. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ioRJOALan4
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Posted: 10/26/2018 6:59:47 AM EDT
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I don't know why you guys have to act like you buy guns for a real reason other than you want them. I like shooting shotguns. Gun Purchases Require No Justification. Sad part was when two or three people over the weekend, would ask, when did they pass that law? |
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Posted: 10/26/2018 7:14:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So you are 'quiet' effective with them hey?  LOL Did you have any schooling at all or have you always been a goober? You are giving English lessons? LOL I bet you are one tough sob hey? They don't make people like you anymore, they broke the mold after you were born right? LOL
It's great, ya pass the hand lotion spud I think I am starting to see the beginning of a blister. I just want to die LOL. You did your mama proud son! HEhe  Spelling and grammar suck. I’m probably the last person In the world that should be giving English lessons, as I butcher the English language both in written and spoken form.. Yet, I had to point out to you that 00buck is not spelled nor pronounced “odd”.. I also find it rather amusing that your accusing me of being a tough guy, yet every single one of your responses if full of insults, and childish emojis..It’s going be an uphill battle for you keeping your internet tough guy thing going when you have basically admitted your to weak to hold onto a 12 gauge unless it has a stock on it.. Since we have established that your either scared of, or too weak to use a shockwave I really don’t think your opinion matters at all in this thread.. |
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Posted: 10/26/2018 7:18:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So you are 'quiet' effective with them hey? LOL Did you have any schooling at all or have you always been a goober? You are giving English lessons? LOL I bet you are one tough sob hey? They don't make people like you anymore, they broke the mold after you were born right? LOL
It's great, ya pass the hand lotion spud I think I am starting to see the beginning of a blister. I just want to die LOL. You did your mama proud son! HEhe Spelling and grammar suck. I’m probably the last person In the world that should be giving English lessons, as I butcher the English language both in written and spoken form.. Yet, I had to point out to you that 00buck is not spelled nor pronounced “odd”.. I also find it rather amusing that your accusing me of being a tough guy, yet every single one of your responses if full of insults, and childish emojis..It’s going be an uphill battle for you keeping your internet tough guy thing going when you have basically admitted your to weak to hold onto a 12 gauge unless it has a stock on it.. Since we have established that your either scared of, or too weak to use a shockwave I really don’t think your opinion matters at all in this thread.. |
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Posted: 10/26/2018 8:08:53 AM EDT
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Does anyone sell a wood stock set for the Shockwave?  .
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Posted: 10/26/2018 8:09:31 AM EDT
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Does anyone sell a wood stock set for the Shockwave? |
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Posted: 10/26/2018 8:13:45 AM EDT
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I couldn't tell you if it's really useful or not.
I do own one though. I think it's cool as Hell. 
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Posted: 10/26/2018 8:36:44 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/26/2018 8:41:07 AM EDT
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So just how well are the shockwave and tac-14 selling?
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Posted: 10/26/2018 8:44:56 AM EDT
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Offered a low cost, unfired one by a guy at work. I don't need it, but it seems like a cool "just because I can" gun. Are these things useful for much, or are they just coke can blasting gimmicks? Sort of reminds me of the old witness protection style shotguns that the Marshals used to use ETA bought it https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/348209/C629968B-F652-4BF7-918D-59E3A641416C_jpeg-717321.JPG 
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Posted: 10/26/2018 8:52:11 AM EDT
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Quote History Deer Hunting with Mossberg Shockwave and Remington Low Recoil 00 Buckshot |
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Posted: 10/26/2018 9:00:37 AM EDT
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Middle finger to the atf I guess
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Posted: 10/26/2018 9:08:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote History Definitely a cool video though.
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Posted: 10/26/2018 9:10:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryI can definitely see a use for one. Hunted many squirrels and other small game with a pg 500 in the past. Used the shockwave grip before it was the shockwave grip. I'd like to see one made on the lighter 500 frame with a vent rib barrel and screw in chokes. |
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Posted: 10/26/2018 9:16:14 AM EDT
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Correct, that is an AOW. The fact they sell it makes no difference. You can claim that the pistol grip is not a pistol geip but...it is. Otherwise why is my Factory AOW Mossburg no different? They clearly thought it was an AOW. Even shipped it with the model number "AOW" on the side...shipped without pistol grip attached, 14" barreled 590A1. The fact that the ATF isnt jumping down Rem throats doesnt changed the wording of the law fyi. I belive these shotguns are what is most likely to shutdown the whole pistol brace BS we have all been hiding behind these last few years (if we are going t9 be honest with ourselves). Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Uh, no. https://www.remington.com/other-products/model-870-tac-14-arm-brace You can claim that the pistol grip is not a pistol geip but...it is. Otherwise why is my Factory AOW Mossburg no different? They clearly thought it was an AOW. Even shipped it with the model number "AOW" on the side...shipped without pistol grip attached, 14" barreled 590A1. The fact that the ATF isnt jumping down Rem throats doesnt changed the wording of the law fyi. I belive these shotguns are what is most likely to shutdown the whole pistol brace BS we have all been hiding behind these last few years (if we are going t9 be honest with ourselves). I claimed by implication that it's absurd to think the lawyers at a company the size of Remington didn't seek ATF blessing before marketing that firearm. Your AOW has nothing to do with the current legal/ATF view of smooth bore firearms with lengths over 26" and barrels under 18" These are not AOWs because the ATF ruled that a smooth bore with an overall length of 26 or more inches was not a shotgun if it NEVER had a buttstock and not an AOW because it was 26" or more overall. Your factory AOW is most likely an AOW because it has a pistol grip that makes the overall length less than 26" The birds-head grip vs pistol grip is only an issue because the birds-head grip gives an overall length over 26" with a 14" barrel. If your AOW is greater than 26" it is probably because not long ago the general consensus was that any smoothbore without a stock and a barrel less than 18" was an AOW. The ATF issued a ruling clarifing that was not the case a few years ago. Take an inch off the barrel/magtube or install a shorter grip and you will make an AOW out of a Shockwave/Tac-14, but adding a pistol brace and pistol grip does NOT make an AOW. Clear? |
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Posted: 10/26/2018 9:21:37 AM EDT
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So just how well are the shockwave and tac-14 selling? |
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Posted: 10/26/2018 9:26:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I see it as a good truck, car gun, good for close range get away sorta thing. Is it a toy? Sure, but it fits a specific purpose. Heck it would be a perfect camping gun in certain parts of the country |
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Posted: 10/26/2018 9:31:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And Stuffy Stuck Up Skeet & Clays Clubs too... I'd get weird looks with my 18 1/2" mossy. I tried it on my range with the pull thrower in the yard here and I can bust clays pretty good with it, not like my Berrrrrrattta But not bad either. What will impress you guys with the birds heads is Federal's 00 odd buck flite control. I shoot LE 00 buck out of 18 1/2" moss at 40yds all of them strikes on a plate |
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Posted: 10/26/2018 9:45:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Exactly. It is useless in many applications but perfect for the one you need it for. Some shoot it pretty good with light birdshot loads. Lots of guys had trouble with mag 00buck loads with controlling the gun, but a few did ok too, and even with slugs the ticket to control is the short strap under the pump handle. I think Mossberg will sell a bunch of these now that I have been you-tubed, HA. |
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Posted: 10/26/2018 9:54:09 AM EDT
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Very cool. Thanks. I can definitely see a use for one. Hunted many squirrels and other small game with a pg 500 in the past. Used the shockwave grip before it was the shockwave grip. I'd like to see one made on the lighter 500 frame with a vent rib barrel and screw in chokes. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Very cool. Thanks. I can definitely see a use for one. Hunted many squirrels and other small game with a pg 500 in the past. Used the shockwave grip before it was the shockwave grip. I'd like to see one made on the lighter 500 frame with a vent rib barrel and screw in chokes. You can probably get the barrel threaded by a smith and figure something out for proper sights, but yeah a vent ribbed 500 version with factory screw in chokes would be awesome. |
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Posted: 10/26/2018 10:09:20 AM EDT
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Fuckin right , you'd be getting some looks, and WTF's. Downright walkaways! I'd get weird looks with my 18 1/2" mossy. I tried it on my range with the pull thrower in the yard here and I can bust clays pretty good with it, not like my Berrrrrrattta But not bad either. What will impress you guys with the birds heads is Federal's 00 odd buck flite control. I shoot LE 00 buck out of 18 1/2" moss at 40yds all of them strikes on a plate Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: And Stuffy Stuck Up Skeet & Clays Clubs too... I'd get weird looks with my 18 1/2" mossy. I tried it on my range with the pull thrower in the yard here and I can bust clays pretty good with it, not like my Berrrrrrattta But not bad either. What will impress you guys with the birds heads is Federal's 00 odd buck flite control. I shoot LE 00 buck out of 18 1/2" moss at 40yds all of them strikes on a plate  Attached FileI was pattering at 50 yards last weekend and patterns we're 10-12". |
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Posted: 10/26/2018 10:12:26 AM EDT
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24" folded. I'd want to see an ATF letter specific to that particular setup before I got one. I'm not saying it is a test case to see if the BATF thinks the overall measurement for a non-NFA weapon is with the with the pistol brace folded or extended as the do with folding stocked rifles, but I would not want to find out the hard way. https://suarezinternational.com/suarez-tac-14-folding-arm-brace-system-12ga/ Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What is the last adapter? I'd want to see an ATF letter specific to that particular setup before I got one. I'm not saying it is a test case to see if the BATF thinks the overall measurement for a non-NFA weapon is with the with the pistol brace folded or extended as the do with folding stocked rifles, but I would not want to find out the hard way. https://suarezinternational.com/suarez-tac-14-folding-arm-brace-system-12ga/ I'd like to something similar with an SBA3. |
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Posted: 10/26/2018 10:15:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Exactly. It is useless in many applications but perfect for the one you need it for. |
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Posted: 10/26/2018 10:22:28 AM EDT
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I hear the regular tac-14 fore-arms fit with no modifications. The Hogue was a drop-in installation on my Tac14.  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/26/2018 10:23:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryThat's What I'm Talking About!
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Posted: 10/26/2018 12:03:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 25 yards with my shockwave. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/433221/KIMG0581_JPG-717652.JPG I was pattering at 50 yards last weekend and patterns we're 10-12". No other load even come close, most of them are so spread out by 20yds you'd be lucky to get a hit @ 40yds. The worst ones for spread are Winchester and wolf, but in a home defense scenario they might be the way to go. But for long rang I have patterned the Flite-control @ 70yds and got spreads as tight as 25". Lots of guys around here use these loads for coyote hunting, and not in tight bores, Flite-control 00 odd does not like tight chokes, don't go no more than IC And usually straight open or 'No' choke is better, no ported barrels either, they blow the pattern. |
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Posted: 10/26/2018 3:56:40 PM EDT
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Yep them federals Flite-controls are insane, I can set empty up gallon oil jugs @ 40yds and with my 18 1/2'' Moss w-cyl bore put all 00 buckshot through the jug. No other load even come close, most of them are so spread out by 20yds you'd be lucky to get a hit @ 40yds. The worst ones for spread are Winchester and wolf, but in a home defense scenario they might be the way to go. But for long rang I have patterned the Flite-control @ 70yds and got spreads as tight as 25". Lots of guys around here use these loads for coyote hunting, and not in tight bores, Flite-control 00 odd does not like tight chokes, don't go no more than IC And usually straight open or 'No' choke is better, no ported barrels either, they blow the pattern. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: 25 yards with my shockwave. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/433221/KIMG0581_JPG-717652.JPG I was pattering at 50 yards last weekend and patterns we're 10-12". No other load even come close, most of them are so spread out by 20yds you'd be lucky to get a hit @ 40yds. The worst ones for spread are Winchester and wolf, but in a home defense scenario they might be the way to go. But for long rang I have patterned the Flite-control @ 70yds and got spreads as tight as 25". Lots of guys around here use these loads for coyote hunting, and not in tight bores, Flite-control 00 odd does not like tight chokes, don't go no more than IC And usually straight open or 'No' choke is better, no ported barrels either, they blow the pattern. I've used the #4 buck from Hornady with their versatite wad well for deer and coyotes to good effect. |
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Posted: 10/26/2018 4:38:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's been my experience as well. I've used the #4 buck from Hornady with their versatite wad well for deer and coyotes to good effect. |
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Posted: 10/26/2018 9:06:56 PM EDT
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I don't know why you guys have to act like you buy guns for a real reason other than you want them. I like shooting shotguns.
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Posted: 10/27/2018 5:43:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's a pretty sizeable wad for such a short barrel. Do you ever short stroke the pump action? 
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Posted: 10/27/2018 5:57:08 AM EDT
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That's a pretty sizeable wad for such a short barrel. Do you ever short stroke the pump action? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: That's been my experience as well. I've used the #4 buck from Hornady with their versatite wad well for deer and coyotes to good effect. tehee |
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Posted: 10/27/2018 6:13:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: None of the shotguns used are comparable. That was a fairly disingenuous video from them. |
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Posted: 10/27/2018 6:18:06 AM EDT
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So just how well are the shockwave and tac-14 selling? |
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Posted: 10/27/2018 6:18:44 AM EDT
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At no time did I claim to be a tough guy.. And yeah my Spelling and grammar suck. I’m probably the last person In the world that should be giving English lessons, as I butcher the English language both in written and spoken form.. Yet, I had to point out to you that 00buck is not spelled nor pronounced “odd”.. I also find it rather amusing that your accusing me of being a tough guy, yet every single one of your responses if full of insults, and childish emojis..It’s going be an uphill battle for you keeping your internet tough guy thing going when you have basically admitted your to weak to hold onto a 12 gauge unless it has a stock on it.. Since we have established that your either scared of, or too weak to use a shockwave I really don’t think your opinion matters at all in this thread.. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: So you are 'quiet' effective with them hey? LOL Did you have any schooling at all or have you always been a goober? You are giving English lessons? LOL I bet you are one tough sob hey? They don't make people like you anymore, they broke the mold after you were born right? LOL
It's great, ya pass the hand lotion spud I think I am starting to see the beginning of a blister. I just want to die LOL. You did your mama proud son! HEhe Spelling and grammar suck. I’m probably the last person In the world that should be giving English lessons, as I butcher the English language both in written and spoken form.. Yet, I had to point out to you that 00buck is not spelled nor pronounced “odd”.. I also find it rather amusing that your accusing me of being a tough guy, yet every single one of your responses if full of insults, and childish emojis..It’s going be an uphill battle for you keeping your internet tough guy thing going when you have basically admitted your to weak to hold onto a 12 gauge unless it has a stock on it.. Since we have established that your either scared of, or too weak to use a shockwave I really don’t think your opinion matters at all in this thread.. |
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Posted: 10/27/2018 6:28:34 AM EDT
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Bias influenced testing produced desired result. Look at Clint Smith and Hickok 45 they are making hits. Is it as fast as an SBS? No, but it does make a good truck gun. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: None of the shotguns used are comparable. That was a fairly disingenuous video from them. The grip profile and barrel length make them much, much easier to shoot than the standard "cruiser" mossbergs. That video still kind of annoys me because Ian seems to have a hate boner for Mossberg and part of me thinks they made it just to mess with their sales. The video of him dunking on the middle aged Mossberg sales rep at Shot was just cringey and totally unnecessary. |
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Posted: 10/27/2018 7:52:12 AM EDT
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I think that they have hit market saturation. Remington has introduced the Tac 13 to gain ground. But I got to say the TAC 13 would make a hell of a truck/wheeler gun. My dealer didn't have any Tac 13's in stock but told me that would be the way for me to go. After deer hunting is over I'll go eyeball one up, he will have a few in. U-tube vids of it look pretty good! If I buy one for xmas I'll get back to this thread. |
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Posted: 10/27/2018 6:21:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yuuup. The grip profile and barrel length make them much, much easier to shoot than the standard "cruiser" mossbergs. That video still kind of annoys me because Ian seems to have a hate boner for Mossberg and part of me thinks they made it just to mess with their sales. The video of him dunking on the middle aged Mossberg sales rep at Shot was just cringey and totally unnecessary. |
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