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Posted: 7/23/2023 1:13:40 AM EDT
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55’s are great.
In a 1x12. 
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Posted: 7/23/2023 1:14:43 AM EDT
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I absolutely HATE energy numbers when it comes to talking bullets/ballistics.
For those GD’ers who never took physics, the formulas shake out like this. PE = mgh KE = 1/2(m*v^2) (KE = PE) One half mass times velocity squared. I prefer power factor which is basically momentum, bullet weight in grains times velocity in feet per second. It usually gives some number like 120,000 to 350,000. Everybody just drops the last 3 digits on the right. |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 1:16:49 AM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It fucking kills moose fine. Also kills bou,bear,seal and walrus fine. Just limit on how far and where you shoot them. I fucking love GD 86 Mazda B2000: Truck 2023 Ridgeline: Not a truck 2021: Minimum 30-06 for moose, still your funeral 2023: Glorified 22 will get it done! Don't ever change GD! |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 1:26:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It is a SIGNIFICANT improvement, ballistically, over the 55 and 62 grain offerings. Heck, you tube has tons of "gel test" vidoes showing how mucb mkre effective the 70+ grain loadings are. In comparison to what. 77 HPBT is going to do great compared to M855 green tip. But how about Barrier blind performance 62-64 loads like MK318 Mod 1 and Fusions? Speed kills. |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 2:03:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: False, 70 Gr TSX is best grain. Alas, way more ‘spensive than 77gr. JMO. ETA: 62 gr TTSX also rocks. Lol 45 tsx at 3400 inside of 200... |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 2:11:22 AM EDT
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My most accurate load, that I shoot out to 600 yards, is a 77 Nosler CC with 22.5 grains of IMR 4895. Not the speediest load, but will shoot 3/4 minute at 100 yards consistently.
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Posted: 7/23/2023 2:24:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 6.8 SPC 200 yard zero 110gr BTHP 96 inch drop @ 600 yds 529 ft-lbs negligible increase in recoil, only 3 more grains of powder than a 223 load That was my solution. If I was going to pay more for better 223 bullets let's just go all the way better :) Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The 77 gr. Sierra Matchking has 96" (that's 8 feet, gentlemen) of drop at 600 yds w/200 yd. zero, and retains a whopping 355 ft. lbs. of energy. By comparison, a lightweight 130 gr. bullet from a .357 magnum has 373 ft. lbs. at 100 yds. If you want to make the case that a 130 gr. .357 is an awesome elk round, please carry on. https://www.sierrabullets.com/223-remington-77-grain-matchking-trajectory-chart/ 6.8 SPC 200 yard zero 110gr BTHP 96 inch drop @ 600 yds 529 ft-lbs negligible increase in recoil, only 3 more grains of powder than a 223 load That was my solution. If I was going to pay more for better 223 bullets let's just go all the way better :) 6.8 fucks. |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 2:35:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Energy is a useful predictor of what might happen when bone is encountered. I'm not obsessed with exit wounds but I do appreciate them. I had a very hard time getting exit wounds on 200lbs deer. If they don't strike bone they would get caught by the offside hide. The tmk is a good bullet but it's also not great from a 20" barrel inside 50 yards. It drives me nuts that people will argue for small caliber and/or cup and core bullets for large game, and make the the statement that “bows kill with very little energy.” Then in the same vein argue that traditional metrics of good bullet performance like weight retention, reliable, controlled expansion, and straight line penetration to an exit wound aren’t important. Completely ignoring the fact that bullets and arrows ultimately kill in the exact same manner (massive hemorrhage due to blood loss) and what makes arrows efficient at killing with very little energy is complete penetration of the vitals with a sufficient sized straight line wound track. Experienced archery hunters, especially those after big game like elk, have learned that they want a heavy arrow that will bust through shoulders and come out the other side with a large enough hole to cause sufficient hemorrhage. Yet somehow those lessons seem to be lost on a lot of rifle hunters. Talk to any archery elk hunter who got caught up in the “speed” craze of the 90s and were flinging light arrows at elk with often poor results if shots weren’t perfect. |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 2:57:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It drives me nuts that people will argue for small caliber and/or cup and core bullets for large game, and make the the statement that “bows kill with very little energy.” Then in the same vein argue that traditional metrics of good bullet performance like weight retention, reliable, controlled expansion, and straight line penetration to an exit wound aren’t important. Completely ignoring the fact that bullets and arrows ultimately kill in the exact same manner (massive hemorrhage due to blood loss) and what makes arrows efficient at killing with very little energy is complete penetration of the vitals with a sufficient sized straight line wound track. Experienced archery hunters, especially those after big game like elk, have learned that they want a heavy arrow that will bust through shoulders and come out the other side with a large enough hole to cause sufficient hemorrhage. Yet somehow those lessons seem to be lost on a lot of rifle hunters. Talk to any archery elk hunter who got caught up in the “speed” craze of the 90s and were flinging light arrows at elk with often poor results if shots weren’t perfect. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Energy is a useful predictor of what might happen when bone is encountered. I'm not obsessed with exit wounds but I do appreciate them. I had a very hard time getting exit wounds on 200lbs deer. If they don't strike bone they would get caught by the offside hide. The tmk is a good bullet but it's also not great from a 20" barrel inside 50 yards. It drives me nuts that people will argue for small caliber and/or cup and core bullets for large game, and make the the statement that “bows kill with very little energy.” Then in the same vein argue that traditional metrics of good bullet performance like weight retention, reliable, controlled expansion, and straight line penetration to an exit wound aren’t important. Completely ignoring the fact that bullets and arrows ultimately kill in the exact same manner (massive hemorrhage due to blood loss) and what makes arrows efficient at killing with very little energy is complete penetration of the vitals with a sufficient sized straight line wound track. Experienced archery hunters, especially those after big game like elk, have learned that they want a heavy arrow that will bust through shoulders and come out the other side with a large enough hole to cause sufficient hemorrhage. Yet somehow those lessons seem to be lost on a lot of rifle hunters. Talk to any archery elk hunter who got caught up in the “speed” craze of the 90s and were flinging light arrows at elk with often poor results if shots weren’t perfect. To answer the OP, it's not a different class. It's just the upper end of the spectrum of ammo from what is most common (55gr fmj). It's roughly 25% heavier, and slower, which has a decent level of benefit for certain applications. As for the hunting nonsense. I shot an Elk last year twice with 180gr .300 Win Mag, 180gr bonded bullet, 3,000fps muzzle velocity. Textbook shot placement. Zero exit wounds. It reminded me a lot of killing a small doe with 5.56 a few years back with 75gr Hornady Tap. Textbook shot placement, no exit wound. I would not choose to use 5.56 for anything larger than small deer or pigs. Sure it could work, but it might not. The bones, fat and hide of larger animals are significantly different and harder to penetrate than smaller game. |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 3:12:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I did. There are a bunch of disagreements on the 77 applicability for big game. It's a bad choice for big game. I gave you the physics of the situation. I know physics is hard, but take a look. 8 feet of drop at 600 yards, 355 ft. lbs. Yikes. No cartridge on the planet "fucks above its class." It is physically impossible. All cartridges perform exactly as they are expected to perform based on physics. Claims like that are precisely why we have ballistics tables. It separates the men from the boys, as they say. By comparison, the lowly .30-06 w/100 yard zero with a 165 gr. Rem. AccuTip drops 90", but retains 1075 ft. lbs. http://gundata.org/blog/post/30-06-ballistics-chart/ 355 ft. lbs. vs. 1075 ft. lbs. THREE TIMES THE ENERGY at 600 yds. Huh. If you'd like, we can discuss Ballistic Coefficient. But it involves more physics. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Read the rokslide thread above. It’s bullet selection and design not foot pounds. 77Gr TMK/ELDM fucks above its class. I did. There are a bunch of disagreements on the 77 applicability for big game. It's a bad choice for big game. I gave you the physics of the situation. I know physics is hard, but take a look. 8 feet of drop at 600 yards, 355 ft. lbs. Yikes. No cartridge on the planet "fucks above its class." It is physically impossible. All cartridges perform exactly as they are expected to perform based on physics. Claims like that are precisely why we have ballistics tables. It separates the men from the boys, as they say. By comparison, the lowly .30-06 w/100 yard zero with a 165 gr. Rem. AccuTip drops 90", but retains 1075 ft. lbs. http://gundata.org/blog/post/30-06-ballistics-chart/ 355 ft. lbs. vs. 1075 ft. lbs. THREE TIMES THE ENERGY at 600 yds. Huh. If you'd like, we can discuss Ballistic Coefficient. But it involves more physics. ""It separates the men from the boys, as they say" I like to say it separates the low IQ VOTERS from the highly intelligent critical thinkers. |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 4:08:34 AM EDT
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Quoted: When rounds like the 6.5x55 and 30-06 (30-03) were interdicted they had extremely heavy for caliber bullets. 220gr for the 30-03 and 162 for the 6.5x55. They remained this way for a bit until they started to really pick up steam with hunters and lighter bullets were introduced. Are the 77gr+ loadings for the 5.56 the same but in reverse? I’ll admit, I’ve been shooting 223 and ARs for more than a decade and never shot heavier than 64gr soft points. I still am working through my stocked up crap Russian 55gr 223 for range ammo. 55gr has almost been my only weight for the entire time. It’s fast, cheap, and good m193 is easy to both train with and keep loaded in my kit (though that’s mostly Federal 64gr soft points with the same POI as m193). I have ARs in 10.5”, multiple 16”, and an 18”. All are 1:7 or 1:8 twist. Am I crazy for not trying out 77gr ammo, especially to keep in my HD mags? I shoot my ARs a lot and always have felt a different POI would be a big bother between my practice ammo and HD ammo… I think your idea is correct but i would not put 77gr .223 in the same class of "heavy for caliber" bullet as defined by sectional density. Rather I would say that going from 55gr to 77gr is going from very light for caliber to medium for caliber at best. 77gr .223 SD=0.221 psi 162gr .264 SD=0.332 psi--0.221 would be 108gr 173gr .284 SD=0.306 psi--0.221 would be 125gr 220gr .308 SD=0.331 psi--0.221 would be 147gr 286gr .366 SD=0.305 psi--0.221 would be 207gr 350gr .375 SD=0.356 psi-0.221 would be 218gr 500gr .458 SD=0.341 psi--0.221 would be 325gr SD is a good indication of penetration and 77gr .223 looks like the light end of usefull loads for those other calibers intended for thin-skinned game. |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 9:45:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pricewise? I flinch and shake when I see the price on a box of 77 gr. I think it’s $11.99 at PSA right now |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 10:05:29 AM EDT
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I prefer 75gr Gold Dot and BTHP. I will admit that 77gr TMK is an impressive fragmenting round and better for unobstructed shots than the Hornady BTHP.
I am not a big fan of 77gr SMK/Mk262 yes I know it’s a much more accurate round at range vs the Hornady BTHP but it’s inconsistent with its fragmentation. |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 10:32:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted:  Let's not oversell a 22 cal, mkay. [/quote Does fine if you do your part.  Quote fail :) I'm just saying, it's a .556; let's not make it something it's not (moose killer). :) Moose, dead by .223 Train like you fight: Hiker Kills Bear with AK-74 |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 10:38:55 AM EDT
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Navy Seal Rob O’Neill said that three 77g OTMs, to the forehead of Osama split his head apart like a wood maul. He had to squeeze his head back together with his left hand and his knee to get a decent photo of OBL’s face.
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Posted: 7/23/2023 10:39:43 AM EDT
[#16]
TMKs FTW!
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Posted: 7/23/2023 10:42:04 AM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: IMHO the military should have just upgraded the general use ammo to 70+ grain bullets at 5.56 pressures and rolled with it. Why would they do that when they can spend billions on a new cartridge and weapon system that is designed to fail from the get go? |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 10:43:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol 45 tsx at 3400 inside of 200... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: False, 70 Gr TSX is best grain. Alas, way more ‘spensive than 77gr. JMO. ETA: 62 gr TTSX also rocks. Lol 45 tsx at 3400 inside of 200...  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 10:45:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Navy Seal Rob O’Neill said that three 77g OTMs, to the forehead of Osama split his head apart like a wood maul. He had to squeeze his head back together with his left hand and his knee to get a decent photo of OBL’s face. I'm pretty sure nobody believes single source reporting anymore. He's gonna post pic's or it didn't happen. |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 10:52:25 AM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm pretty sure nobody believes single source reporting anymore. He's gonna post pic's or it didn't happen. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Navy Seal Rob O’Neill said that three 77g OTMs, to the forehead of Osama split his head apart like a wood maul. He had to squeeze his head back together with his left hand and his knee to get a decent photo of OBL’s face. I'm pretty sure nobody believes single source reporting anymore. He's gonna post pic's or it didn't happen. It’s also a silly way to judge terminal performance of a rifle bullet. You could use ANY bullet, and it’s going to do that to someone’s head if it’s going 2800fps and there’s three of them. |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 10:56:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If it's so great how come .mil hasn't completely replaced it over 55gr or 62gr? Because the government is retarded. |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 10:56:57 AM EDT
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I shot my first deer, a large doe, with 75 grn Hornaday tap at 373 yards out of a 20" AR. The bullet entered just behind the left shoulder crease and punched a quarter sized hole in the opposite side crease. Liquefied both lungs. DRT.
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Posted: 7/23/2023 10:58:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: On the last page "77g TMKs will fuck everything up. From paper targets at 600 yards to elk/moose." He's not saying elk and moose at 600 yards but it is in the same sentence and seems to be implying it. The sentence structure separates “paper targets at 600 yards” and “elk/moose”. |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 11:00:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryWhat barrel? |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 11:00:53 AM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I did. There are a bunch of disagreements on the 77 applicability for big game. It's a bad choice for big game. I gave you the physics of the situation. I know physics is hard, but take a look. 8 feet of drop at 600 yards, 355 ft. lbs. Yikes. No cartridge on the planet "fucks above its class." It is physically impossible. All cartridges perform exactly as they are expected to perform based on physics. Claims like that are precisely why we have ballistics tables. It separates the men from the boys, as they say. By comparison, the lowly .30-06 w/100 yard zero with a 165 gr. Rem. AccuTip drops 90", but retains 1075 ft. lbs. http://gundata.org/blog/post/30-06-ballistics-chart/ 355 ft. lbs. vs. 1075 ft. lbs. THREE TIMES THE ENERGY at 600 yds. Huh. If you'd like, we can discuss Ballistic Coefficient. But it involves more physics. I totally agree with you on physics not being able to be bent, however when shooting live targets (deer in my case) bullet selection is makes a huge difference. Ballistic coefficient, terminal performance, and starting diameter allow certain cartridges to perform better than cartridges with similar paper specs For example, I have 2 357 rifles (Ruger 77/357 and Marlin 1894). The 357 Mag rifle puts deer down fast and reliably because of it’s bullets design, not it’s energy. The new generation of PRC and Creedmoor cartridges dictate a tighter twist and therefore allow heavier bullets than similar cartridges (ie 243 Win vs 6mm Creedmoor). This is still physics but taking a 243 Win and putting a 1:8 barrel on it would make it “punch above its class” when compared to a standard 243. |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 11:03:16 AM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I fucking love GD 86 Mazda B2000: Truck 2023 Ridgeline: Not a truck 2021: Minimum 30-06 for moose, still your funeral 2023: Glorified 22 will get it done! Don't ever change GD! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It fucking kills moose fine. Also kills bou,bear,seal and walrus fine. Just limit on how far and where you shoot them. I fucking love GD 86 Mazda B2000: Truck 2023 Ridgeline: Not a truck 2021: Minimum 30-06 for moose, still your funeral 2023: Glorified 22 will get it done! Don't ever change GD! LARP'ers and Fudd's in the L48 < Native Subsistence Hunter in Alaska |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 11:05:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think it’s $11.99 at PSA right now Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Pricewise? I flinch and shake when I see the price on a box of 77 gr. I think it’s $11.99 at PSA right now 10.99 |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 11:19:01 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: LARP'ers and Fudd's in the L48 < Native Subsistence Hunter in Alaska Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: It fucking kills moose fine. Also kills bou,bear,seal and walrus fine. Just limit on how far and where you shoot them. I fucking love GD 86 Mazda B2000: Truck 2023 Ridgeline: Not a truck 2021: Minimum 30-06 for moose, still your funeral 2023: Glorified 22 will get it done! Don't ever change GD! LARP'ers and Fudd's in the L48 < Native Subsistence Hunter in Alaska Almost like they know how to use a 22LR to kill a grizzly and 223 for polar bears. 
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Posted: 7/23/2023 11:22:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 55’s are great. In a 1x12. Why do you think there’s a measurable difference between a 1/12 and 1/7 with 55gr? |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 11:25:57 AM EDT
[#30]
Midway has factory 2nds 77gr HPBT bullets for $14/100
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Posted: 7/23/2023 11:29:55 AM EDT
[#31]
75 and 77 are awesome.
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Posted: 7/23/2023 11:30:33 AM EDT
[#32]
I'm here at Multigun Nationals and whenever we have a long range target (>300Y) on a stage, you can hear guys setting their separate mag with just 77s.
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Posted: 7/23/2023 12:09:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Almost like they know how to use a 22LR to kill a grizzly and 223 for polar bears. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: It fucking kills moose fine. Also kills bou,bear,seal and walrus fine. Just limit on how far and where you shoot them. I fucking love GD 86 Mazda B2000: Truck 2023 Ridgeline: Not a truck 2021: Minimum 30-06 for moose, still your funeral 2023: Glorified 22 will get it done! Don't ever change GD! LARP'ers and Fudd's in the L48 < Native Subsistence Hunter in Alaska Almost like they know how to use a 22LR to kill a grizzly and 223 for polar bears. Fudds. Spears get the job done just as gud. |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 12:13:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've heard several guys on podcast mention that when they shot people with 62 grain they kept going. 77grain dropped them fast. My opinion is that has more to do with the design of 855 vs the grain of the bullet used. |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 12:16:47 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Because the government is retarded. My guess would be that it is carry-over from the Robert McNamara bean-counting, accountant days at the Pentagon. |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 12:21:40 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm here at Multigun Nationals and whenever we have a long range target (>300Y) on a stage, you can hear guys setting their separate mag with just 77s. Are you there working the match? Or are you strictly competing? You should do a separate thread like an AAR of MG nat’s. |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 12:29:50 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Almost like they know how to use a 22LR to kill a grizzly and 223 for polar bears. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: It fucking kills moose fine. Also kills bou,bear,seal and walrus fine. Just limit on how far and where you shoot them. I fucking love GD 86 Mazda B2000: Truck 2023 Ridgeline: Not a truck 2021: Minimum 30-06 for moose, still your funeral 2023: Glorified 22 will get it done! Don't ever change GD! LARP'ers and Fudd's in the L48 < Native Subsistence Hunter in Alaska Almost like they know how to use a 22LR to kill a grizzly and 223 for polar bears.  Attached FileQuoted: Fudds. Spears get the job done just as gud. It is the Indian not the arrow ;-)  |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 12:31:32 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 77g TMKs will fuck everything up. From paper targets at 600 yards to elk/moose. All you need in my opinion. Fling 77g SMKs for practice or even the upper range ELDMs. Will those bullets ever be available again? I got out of reloading for a long time and never knew of them until they were sold out. |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 12:35:15 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Are you there working the match? Or are you strictly competing? You should do a separate thread like an AAR of MG nat’s. Im shooting. That might be a good idea although I’m terrible at taking notes. |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 12:38:06 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm here at Multigun Nationals and whenever we have a long range target (>300Y) on a stage, you can hear guys setting their separate mag with just 77s. That’s what I always do in Multi-Gun, except my match long range load is a 70gr Nosler RDF. Higher velocity and lower BC than a 77gr SMK, but not as good as a TMK. I have 2k of the 77gr RDF to try next. |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 12:38:30 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/hes_right_you_know-328.jpg It is the Indian not the arrow ;-) https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/41BVxsmB6pL._AC_UF894,1000_QL80_.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: It fucking kills moose fine. Also kills bou,bear,seal and walrus fine. Just limit on how far and where you shoot them. I fucking love GD 86 Mazda B2000: Truck 2023 Ridgeline: Not a truck 2021: Minimum 30-06 for moose, still your funeral 2023: Glorified 22 will get it done! Don't ever change GD! LARP'ers and Fudd's in the L48 < Native Subsistence Hunter in Alaska Almost like they know how to use a 22LR to kill a grizzly and 223 for polar bears. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/hes_right_you_know-328.jpg Quoted: Fudds. Spears get the job done just as gud. It is the Indian not the arrow ;-) https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/41BVxsmB6pL._AC_UF894,1000_QL80_.jpg That is a tiny Polar bear. |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 12:40:30 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 77g TMKs will fuck everything up. From paper targets at 600 yards to elk/moose. All you need in my opinion. Fling 77g SMKs for practice or even the upper range ELDMs. FML, I hope you don't hunt. You're not even going to have the minimum recommended ft-lbs at point blank range for an elk, let alone a moose. |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 12:41:49 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryNo. Just no. |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 12:50:52 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That’s what I always do in Multi-Gun, except my match long range load is a 70gr Nosler RDF. Higher velocity and lower BC than a 77gr SMK, but not as good as a TMK. I have 2k of the 77gr RDF to try next. Nice! I don't reload so since I buy factory or reloads, 77s work well and are available (at least right now). |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 1:02:10 PM EDT
[#45]
I don’t know about a whole different class. But if small groups and long range is your thing
75/77 is the shizzle.. My groups and me in my last DMR class shooting out to 600.  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 1:08:30 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: has the 77gr tmk come back into stock recently? I gave up looking for them. 
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Posted: 7/23/2023 1:16:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No. Just no. |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 1:21:48 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: FML, I hope you don't hunt. You're not even going to have the minimum recommended ft-lbs at point blank range for an elk, let alone a moose. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: 77g TMKs will fuck everything up. From paper targets at 600 yards to elk/moose. All you need in my opinion. Fling 77g SMKs for practice or even the upper range ELDMs. FML, I hope you don't hunt. You're not even going to have the minimum recommended ft-lbs at point blank range for an elk, let alone a moose. "You need more than this many ft-lbs to kill elk or moose" >Numerous elk and moose have been killed with less than half that many ft-lbs How do you reconcile this? |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 1:22:39 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That is a tiny Polar bear. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: It fucking kills moose fine. Also kills bou,bear,seal and walrus fine. Just limit on how far and where you shoot them. I fucking love GD 86 Mazda B2000: Truck 2023 Ridgeline: Not a truck 2021: Minimum 30-06 for moose, still your funeral 2023: Glorified 22 will get it done! Don't ever change GD! LARP'ers and Fudd's in the L48 < Native Subsistence Hunter in Alaska Almost like they know how to use a 22LR to kill a grizzly and 223 for polar bears. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/hes_right_you_know-328.jpg Quoted: Fudds. Spears get the job done just as gud. It is the Indian not the arrow ;-) https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/41BVxsmB6pL._AC_UF894,1000_QL80_.jpg That is a tiny Polar bear. Don't worry about that little guy |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 1:40:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 77 TMK will fragment out to nearly 300 yards in a 10.5 barrel. Regular SMK are only 125 IIRC. |
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