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Posted: 10/9/2019 11:12:51 AM EST
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I assume the diesel will take a payload hit also
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Posted: 10/9/2019 11:15:55 AM EST
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What about the auto? I thought it would tow more. ETA: I see your edit. Booooo  Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I have read the tow numbers although I doubt they are the final numbers. If I recall correctly the diesel tow numbers were pretty close to the gas/manual numbers with this being attributed to cooling. I think they are about 4500 while the gas/auto Rubicon is 7000 and Sport MaxTow/auto is 7650. ETA : cursory search doesn't turn up anything to support that, there are a number of articles though saying tow rating will be about 500 pounds less than the gas engine/automatic ETA: I see your edit. Booooo My personal opinion based and wholly unsupported by science, tow rating modifier is .60. For distances outside of a one hour drive, reduce the tow rating by 40% and you and your vehicle will be both be better served. For that matter I wouldn't put 7000 pounds behind my JTR and take it off of my property. |
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Posted: 10/9/2019 11:20:33 AM EST
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I assume the diesel will take a payload hit also That is why the Rubicon will tow less than Sport S Max Tow, because of the extra weight in skids, sliders, lockers, disconnect, hood, etc. Same engine, trans and differentials with the same ratio, but 650 pounds less tow rating. I bought mine with the expectation and consideration that the trailer that goes behind it will be at or below 4k pounds. |
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Posted: 10/9/2019 11:28:41 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I haven't seen any evidence that there will be a transmission up charge, when there is no option for the manual. In all likelihood the upcharge will be a package upcharge for engine/transmission. The transmission itself will not be the same 8sp that is behind the 3.6 (8HP50), it will be an 8HP70 to handle the additional torque. Aside from the fact that towing numbers are greatly reduced, the number one reason that I didn't wait on diesel is Tier motherfucking IV emissions, which has been and will continue to be a problem in those engines. Roll the CARB standard back, and take all that shit off and I'll buy one, after they put a bigger fuel tank in it. Build sheet link https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/forum/threads/3-0d-jeep-diesel-now-available-for-ordering-priced-at-6k.39290/ |
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Posted: 10/9/2019 11:38:33 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Reality is, if you are towing any appreciable distance, the tow rating on the JT is over inflated, just like it is on every other truck. My personal opinion based and wholly unsupported by science, tow rating modifier is .60. For distances outside of a one hour drive, reduce the tow rating by 40% and you and your vehicle will be both be better served. For that matter I wouldn't put 7000 pounds behind my JTR and take it off of my property. I wonder how you could figure these things out say with an axle swap and Hemi. |
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Posted: 10/9/2019 11:39:36 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Someone ordered a JL with diesel and posted their build sheet. Can't imagine they would do a different transmission for the gladiator. Build sheet link https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/forum/threads/3-0d-jeep-diesel-now-available-for-ordering-priced-at-6k.39290/ |
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Posted: 10/9/2019 11:41:15 AM EST
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The transmission is almost the same just much more built. It would need it. |
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Posted: 10/9/2019 11:44:53 AM EST
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I fent. 18 weeks from order date... https://www.jeepgladiatorforum.com/forum/attachments/20190905_142208-jpg.31862/ https://www.jeepgladiatorforum.com/forum/attachments/resized952019090495172858-jpg.31699/ Has 2" Mopar lift. My comments: Wish it had more torque. Would have bought the diesel but I wanted a manual transmission more. When the wind is blowing it blows me all over the road. I'll probably get slightly larger tires when these wear. Love everything else. I have been trying to find or get someone with a manual to just do a video of them driving it around town etc. Think you could do one? Here is an example of what I am looking for just with a manual. Example |
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Posted: 10/9/2019 11:48:26 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I haven't seen any evidence that there will be a transmission up charge, when there is no option for the manual. In all likelihood the upcharge will be a package upcharge for engine/transmission. The transmission itself will not be the same 8sp that is behind the 3.6 (8HP50), it will be an 8HP70 to handle the additional torque. Aside from the fact that towing numbers are greatly reduced, the number one reason that I didn't wait on diesel is Tier motherfucking IV emissions, which has been and will continue to be a problem in those engines. Roll the CARB standard back, and take all that shit off and I'll buy one, after they put a bigger fuel tank in it. |
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Posted: 10/9/2019 11:50:14 AM EST
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I might have been interested in a regular cab one, Since the small/medium regular cab market is dead and that all I want is a regular cab hauler thats new. Not into the piece of garbage they created. I was hopping for a J-10/ gladiator reboot in the lines of a normal pickup, not a fucking wrangler with a useless tiny bed. It reminds me of the subaru baja. I saw the new one in person in Lake Placid it was fucking ugly. Does not live up to the original FSJ.
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Posted: 10/9/2019 11:56:09 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @Chadnutz I have been trying to find or get someone with a manual to just do a video of them driving it around town etc. Think you could do one? Here is an example of what I am looking for just with a manual. Example |
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Posted: 10/9/2019 11:56:11 AM EST
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Reality is, if you are towing any appreciable distance, the tow rating on the JT is over inflated, just like it is on every other truck. My personal opinion based and wholly unsupported by science, tow rating modifier is .60. For distances outside of a one hour drive, reduce the tow rating by 40% and you and your vehicle will be both be better served. For that matter I wouldn't put 7000 pounds behind my JTR and take it off of my property. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: I have read the tow numbers although I doubt they are the final numbers. If I recall correctly the diesel tow numbers were pretty close to the gas/manual numbers with this being attributed to cooling. I think they are about 4500 while the gas/auto Rubicon is 7000 and Sport MaxTow/auto is 7650. ETA : cursory search doesn't turn up anything to support that, there are a number of articles though saying tow rating will be about 500 pounds less than the gas engine/automatic ETA: I see your edit. Booooo My personal opinion based and wholly unsupported by science, tow rating modifier is .60. For distances outside of a one hour drive, reduce the tow rating by 40% and you and your vehicle will be both be better served. For that matter I wouldn't put 7000 pounds behind my JTR and take it off of my property. I'll refrain from making any comments about the Gladiator lest i receive another tongue lashing
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Posted: 10/9/2019 11:59:23 AM EST
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The auto transmission is absolutely a $2k option. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I haven't seen any evidence that there will be a transmission up charge, when there is no option for the manual. In all likelihood the upcharge will be a package upcharge for engine/transmission. The transmission itself will not be the same 8sp that is behind the 3.6 (8HP50), it will be an 8HP70 to handle the additional torque. Aside from the fact that towing numbers are greatly reduced, the number one reason that I didn't wait on diesel is Tier motherfucking IV emissions, which has been and will continue to be a problem in those engines. Roll the CARB standard back, and take all that shit off and I'll buy one, after they put a bigger fuel tank in it. I'm saying I'll be surprised if they clip you for the $2k when it is the only option. I'm not saying they won't, but I'm saying $6k to add the diesel will drive people out of the market. For me, I would not have taken it at the same price because of the retarded emissions shit on it, but $6k will definitely suppress sales |
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Posted: 10/9/2019 11:59:54 AM EST
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I might have been interested in a regular cab one, Since the small/medium regular cab market is dead and that all I want is a regular cab hauler thats new. Not into the piece of garbage they created. I was hopping for a J-10/ gladiator reboot in the lines of a normal pickup, not a fucking wrangler with a useless tiny bed. It reminds me of the subaru baja. I saw the new one in person in Lake Placid it was fucking ugly. Does not live up to the original FSJ. Gotta pay to play |
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Posted: 10/9/2019 12:00:06 PM EST
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What are you trying to capture? I don't have anything but a cell phone and I don't see myself narrating it. 15 minutes is kind of long with no narration. If you dont want to its fine, just worth a shot to ask
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Posted: 10/9/2019 12:01:38 PM EST
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I dont have a gladiator, i really like the manuals but there is such little info out there. Honestly Id just like to see how it drives around town. If you dont want to its fine, just worth a shot to ask Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What are you trying to capture? I don't have anything but a cell phone and I don't see myself narrating it. 15 minutes is kind of long with no narration. If you dont want to its fine, just worth a shot to ask |
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Posted: 10/9/2019 12:03:22 PM EST
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Go test drive one Nearest one is a few hours away. Believe me I check every day. |
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Posted: 10/9/2019 12:10:55 PM EST
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Just have one shortened, EVO shortened one. Gotta pay to play 
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Posted: 10/9/2019 12:11:53 PM EST
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2 recent observations.
1) Friday was at rural dodge / jeep dealer for recall on my JKU's airbags. Only 2 gladiators on the lot, 1 a decked out ($10k at least in after market, wheels, bumper, etc) rubicon was marked sold. The low end one's sticker scared me as well. Should have taken a picture for this thread, but if memory serves, it was $42k plus. 2) Monday I did almost 300 miles driving all around DFW looking at jobs for work. I saw at least 5 gladiators total in various trim levels. I see more and more as time passes. Was seeing maybe 2-3 a month ago. If they aren't having to cut the sticker price 20% or more, I see the gladiator as a big win for FCA at this point. Well, at least in my market. |
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Posted: 10/9/2019 12:12:03 PM EST
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Just have one shortened, EVO shortened one. Gotta pay to play https://scontent-dfw5-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/c917e31f5cac327f497e2f2ed330aa94/5DEB3499/t51.2885-15/sh0.08/e35/c0.135.1080.1080a/s640x640/65263673_355251928700915_672034392473941906_n.jpg?_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-1.cdninstagram.com |
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Posted: 10/9/2019 12:13:09 PM EST
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Just have one shortened, EVO shortened one. Gotta pay to play https://scontent-dfw5-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/c917e31f5cac327f497e2f2ed330aa94/5DEB3499/t51.2885-15/sh0.08/e35/c0.135.1080.1080a/s640x640/65263673_355251928700915_672034392473941906_n.jpg?_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-1.cdninstagram.com |
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Posted: 10/9/2019 12:17:48 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That is amazing. |
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Posted: 10/9/2019 12:28:39 PM EST
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There’s something to be said for naturally aspirated power even though I agree with you for the most part. I think they should get back in the truck game but then being part of the Chrysler umbrella makes that unlikely. They could do a big Gladiator or even a modern M715 with power wagon guts and I think it would be awesome. Forced induction is always >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NA, on anything ever. |
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Posted: 10/9/2019 12:39:47 PM EST
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It sucks on everything and is usually located way the fuck up the tach? Forced induction is always >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NA, on anything ever. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There’s something to be said for naturally aspirated power even though I agree with you for the most part. I think they should get back in the truck game but then being part of the Chrysler umbrella makes that unlikely. They could do a big Gladiator or even a modern M715 with power wagon guts and I think it would be awesome. Forced induction is always >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NA, on anything ever. Once you start factoring in other things like reliability and serviceability, then it starts to even out. I'm not saying a turbo or supercharger automatically equals a ticking time bomb. But more parts equals more chance of failure. Faster spinning parts requiring lubrication and timely service equals more maintenance and greater chances for failure. In a production application, it also typically equals a much larger head ache from a replacement standpoint. That said, there's a reason why turbo and SC kits are so popular. It may decrease reliability, but it's a lot better way to make power than a new block or tearing apart the internals. Ideally you combine all of them, but that really only makes sense for those with deep pockets and a project car. |
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Posted: 10/9/2019 12:40:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I dont have a gladiator, i really like the manuals but there is such little info out there. Honestly Id just like to see how it drives around town. If you dont want to its fine, just worth a shot to ask |
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Posted: 10/9/2019 12:55:29 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It sucks on everything and is usually located way the fuck up the tach? Forced induction is always >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NA, on anything ever. |
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Posted: 10/9/2019 12:57:41 PM EST
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I take it you've never driven a mountain motor Big Block Chevy?
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Posted: 10/9/2019 1:14:45 PM EST
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Only 2 gladiators on the lot, 1 a decked out ($10k at least in after market, wheels, bumper, etc) rubicon was marked sold. You can buy a loaded Rubicon cheaper than that. |
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Posted: 10/9/2019 1:17:15 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Most of the 'tarded dealers here are taking $42K Sports and sticking every piece of shit they can find on it and charging $56K. You can buy a loaded Rubicon cheaper than that. |
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Posted: 10/9/2019 1:17:43 PM EST
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I take it you've never driven a mountain motor Big Block Chevy? |
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Posted: 10/9/2019 1:22:03 PM EST
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 The New 2020 Jeep Wrangler EcoDiesel Gets Enough Torque To Crawl Up Everest! |
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Posted: 10/9/2019 2:47:21 PM EST
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Posted: 10/9/2019 2:54:55 PM EST
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Anyone know when the Gobi color Gladiators will be hitting dealer lots? About ready to pull the trigger on ordering one for the wife but hesitant to order a color we haven't seen in person.
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Posted: 10/9/2019 3:07:22 PM EST
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Probably 2 weeks on gobi
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Posted: 10/9/2019 3:19:36 PM EST
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Posted: 10/9/2019 3:20:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Most of the 'tarded dealers here are taking $42K Sports and sticking every piece of shit they can find on it and charging $56K. You can buy a loaded Rubicon cheaper than that. ETA that's nuts. |
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Posted: 10/9/2019 3:24:13 PM EST
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Probably 2 weeks on gobi |
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Posted: 10/9/2019 3:26:06 PM EST
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Been reading on various forums the eco diesel isnt worth it cost wise in the long run vs the 3.6 |
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Posted: 10/9/2019 3:39:01 PM EST
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Probably 2 weeks on gobi 
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Posted: 10/9/2019 3:41:58 PM EST
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Been reading on various forums the eco diesel isnt worth it cost wise in the long run vs the 3.6 Quote HistoryQuoted:
Been reading on various forums the eco diesel isnt worth it cost wise in the long run vs the 3.6 |
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Posted: 10/9/2019 3:45:05 PM EST
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Usually the case but some people want to diesel all the things Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Been reading on various forums the eco diesel isnt worth it cost wise in the long run vs the 3.6
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Posted: 10/9/2019 3:49:08 PM EST
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I might have been interested in a regular cab one, Since the small/medium regular cab market is dead and that all I want is a regular cab hauler thats new. Not into the piece of garbage they created. I was hopping for a J-10/ gladiator reboot in the lines of a normal pickup, not a fucking wrangler with a useless tiny bed. It reminds me of the subaru baja. I saw the new one in person in Lake Placid it was fucking ugly. Does not live up to the original FSJ. Check out these search results |
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Posted: 10/9/2019 4:08:00 PM EST
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There was an article I read not too long ago from one of the big 3 saying the standard cab is dead Check out these search results This was right after the lift install  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/9/2019 4:34:17 PM EST
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I know, I paid it, on a gas engine. I'm saying I'll be surprised if they clip you for the $2k when it is the only option. I'm not saying they won't, but I'm saying $6k to add the diesel will drive people out of the market. For me, I would not have taken it at the same price because of the retarded emissions shit on it, but $6k will definitely suppress sales |
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Posted: 10/9/2019 4:47:22 PM EST
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Per the JL Forum folks who ordered one it's a $3250 premium over a 3.6L Auto. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I know, I paid it, on a gas engine. I'm saying I'll be surprised if they clip you for the $2k when it is the only option. I'm not saying they won't, but I'm saying $6k to add the diesel will drive people out of the market. For me, I would not have taken it at the same price because of the retarded emissions shit on it, but $6k will definitely suppress sales |
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Posted: 10/9/2019 4:55:32 PM EST
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They're saying the engine alone or engine transmission package is $3250. One is reasonable, the other not so much. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I know, I paid it, on a gas engine. I'm saying I'll be surprised if they clip you for the $2k when it is the only option. I'm not saying they won't, but I'm saying $6k to add the diesel will drive people out of the market. For me, I would not have taken it at the same price because of the retarded emissions shit on it, but $6k will definitely suppress sales |
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Posted: 10/9/2019 6:06:44 PM EST
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They're saying the engine alone or engine transmission package is $3250. One is reasonable, the other not so much. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I know, I paid it, on a gas engine. I'm saying I'll be surprised if they clip you for the $2k when it is the only option. I'm not saying they won't, but I'm saying $6k to add the diesel will drive people out of the market. For me, I would not have taken it at the same price because of the retarded emissions shit on it, but $6k will definitely suppress sales |
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Posted: 10/9/2019 6:08:04 PM EST
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Theres def utility in the bigger cabs but sometimes you just want the single. Its cheaper and more maneuverable. Glad I got this when I did, the used market has gone crazy since. This was right after the lift install https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/525/FB_IMG_1570655142277_jpg-1118496.JPG 99% (an exaggeration but probably not by much) of full size trucks with regular cabs will be on full length 8' bed. Midsize trucks with the reg cab will almost always come with the long bed with no option to have a short bed/reg cab. IMO, for most truck models the difference in length/mobility between a regular cab and extended cab is so minor that it will never make up for the utility of having the additional inside storage/passenger room. Crew cab is a different story. I've owned several regular cab trucks in the past and after owning a crew cab truck I will never go back to a regular cab. There is literally no where to put stuff in a regular cab and I end up with a toolbox taking up bed space anyways. Once my kids grow up I won't be buying crew cab trucks either. |
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Posted: 10/9/2019 8:33:07 PM EST
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Do you think they are going to give away the automatic for free? I dont understand why you keep bringing this up. You are going to pay for it in some way. Just because its a required upgrade doesn't mean its free. The remote start requires you to add the automatic transmission. Its still costs money. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I know, I paid it, on a gas engine. I'm saying I'll be surprised if they clip you for the $2k when it is the only option. I'm not saying they won't, but I'm saying $6k to add the diesel will drive people out of the market. For me, I would not have taken it at the same price because of the retarded emissions shit on it, but $6k will definitely suppress sales If it isn't ok with you, just ignore the question and go fuck off somewhere. |
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Posted: 10/9/2019 8:45:29 PM EST
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We really like the looks of the gladiator. The wife and I would like to have one but we have two issues with it. First is the price tag. $50k for a jeep is a bunch. Second is it will not fit in my garage.
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