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Posted: 4/19/2022 9:33:22 PM EST
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They have been rooting for Russia since the end of world war 2.
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Posted: 4/19/2022 9:34:48 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: funny how its the career mil guys, who all just so happen to specialize in Russia, that want to paint Russia as the biggest evil, raping, murdering, and pillaging poor, innocent Ukrainians. I wonder if we did go to war, someone who specializes in Russia would become mighty valuable, maybe even get a career advancement or even a nice consulting job for a big defense contractor. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Another strawman. You guys are bad at this. Well what do you guys expect. According to you we are all just paid Russian shills. An actual argument. Roland, I genuinely mean this respectfully, would any argumentative stance change your opinion? You have skin in the game via what you just mentioned with service, and family from the other thread. Are you a good dude? The probability is very high that you are, I do not know you so I would be a fool to say it in the affirmative, but I think that you are based on what I have read from you, and others supporting your stance. Yet, lets be honest here, there is still no changing your mind r/t this issue, the only end result that would be satisfactory is for everyone to see things exactly as "you" do (by you I mean anyone with a heated opinion on this issue) . And you know what? That is okay that you think that way. We all think that way. OP, myself, and all other posters. We are all on the same team though, I hope, I guess I can only speak for myself, but the point is I do not lose sleep if you have more interest and priority with what is going on over there than the average American (myself). I am not trying to change your mind, I support your choice of vehemently opposing Russia's operation/war so much that you do not just want to voice it, but want intervention, at the same time please do not diminish my belief that we are "already helping". I would help anyone in need, you, OP, whomever, even those a bit closer to these issues than I feel personally involved that have deemed us as shills, if you or anyone needed something I could provide. Your difference of peripheral opinion on this matter is respected, at the core I think most of us are closer than further away. Nobody is defending Russia. Nobody in my circle wants to see loss of any innocent life. I do not even want to see loss of life on either side. At the same time I understand it happens, and always has, and is not going to be changed by my short time on this planet, so I choose to prioritize my personal issues and life. Life is challenging enough as is, without being consumed by every new "crisis". Right? I know you understand that. Again, I empathize with you and the reasons you have to be more vocal about this circumstance, and anyone else that feels closer to this situation, but you will never see me outwardly cheering on the corpses of enemy soldiers being shown, etc. But please do not take that as myself, and likely others, having a lack of concern regarding the lives of innocents involved with this war. Speaking for myself only, I am a bit apathetic towards becoming continually involved with solving the totality of problems in our world. Why? Because it never ends. In my lifetime, the blink of an eye, if all we do is focus on every tangential evil that exists, we will never live. It is a circle of lost time. IMO? The issue to seeing eye to eye in a thread like this is the fact that the thread title is setup to seek confrontation, not resolve, no offense OP. Claiming Americans, conservatives, Republicans, and/or anyone else on this site as "rooting for Russia" is starting off on the wrong foot to seek unity from the get go. Obviously this is the internet, and unity is not the point? In person is such a better medium. **grammatical errors may exist** Evidence would change my mind, sure. I've changed my mind before. If evidence comes out that Ukranian had a secret weapon and was about to invade Russia then id change my mind. If I'm biased, I would be biased on the side of Russia, and I've defended Russia often when it makes sense to. We are all biased I disagree with you that people are not rooting for Russia. Yes, of course they exist in the literal sense of >0, are they idiots, maybe not far removed from Russia? I have no fucking idea. And here on ARF? Of course there are some, it is the internet, probably some trolls too. Seems rather small though in proportion to overall posters. In my day to day? I honestly do not know any, but I am originally from the Midwest so that is probably why. Many absolutely are. And to be honest, those that say they don't care at all as they watch an unjustified invasion where entire cities are being destroyed and non combatants raped and murdered...well, I find it abhorrent. To be clear I'm not advocating for boots on deck, but I'm totally fine paying taxes to give Ukraine all the weapons they need to kill those motherfuckers. I agree with support, just not openly supporting taking life (although it is a consequence of the situation) Moral dilemma  .I think we are on the same page tbh. I mean that. I see no moral dilemma in taking the life of a Russian invading Ukraine for no valid reason. By extension, I have no moral dilemma with providing them the tools they need to protect their country from unlawful invasion. https://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Colin-Powell-holds-uo-a-vial-of-Iraqi-anthrax-at-the-UN-General-Assembly.jpg lol funny how its the career mil guys, who all just so happen to specialize in Russia, that want to paint Russia as the biggest evil, raping, murdering, and pillaging poor, innocent Ukrainians. I wonder if we did go to war, someone who specializes in Russia would become mighty valuable, maybe even get a career advancement or even a nice consulting job for a big defense contractor. Lmao, dude you are just pulling stuff straight out of your ass. I know more about Russia than you do, obviously, but I could not get a consulting job concerning it, nor would I want to. Again, I should be biased towards Russia but instead I've looked at the evidence. You should try it. |
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Posted: 4/19/2022 9:35:30 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: maybe you guys should be watching our border.... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Why don’t you give a shit about everyone else in the world being attacked…. Only Biden’s money laundering operation country? Please provide proof that Ukraine is "Bidens money laundering operation". I think Cincinnatus is hit the nail on the head. Putin fills the role of "Alpha male" for a lot of folks here now that Trump is mostly out of the picture. Like a girl with daddy issues, bouncing from one broken relationship to the next. Wow you guys have some real messed up fantasies…you should hook up…its ok lots of gays live kick ass lives now. The ad ad homonym attacks let us all know who the ones with the agenda are, not that we didn’t already know If supporting Ukraine means you love Biden (as has been suggested), then those who pretend to not care about potential WWIII situations in Europe must be Putin lovers. That blade cuts both ways. Get the fuck out of here with that stupidity. I love how most motherfuckers on here couldn’t tell us the capital of Nebraska are suddenly experts on the geopolitical complexities of northwest Eurasia. You haven’t said fuck all about Ukraine, or Russia’s issues with it, until your TV told you to. Putin has been moving troops along that fucking border for a nearly a decade. I didn’t see you proselytizing about being a good American by supporting Ukraine back then. Just click on Faux News, swallow it all, you got this!! I don’t watch TV. But I do watch Russian troop movements, and their intentions. I also study Russian information operations and their hybrid war. I’ve made a few predictions over the last few months. It’s a living. maybe you guys should be watching our border.... Why don't you do it if you feel so strongly about it. Now can we put away the "why don't you go to Ukraine" 'argument' |
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Posted: 4/19/2022 9:37:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: maybe you guys should be watching our border.... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Why don’t you give a shit about everyone else in the world being attacked…. Only Biden’s money laundering operation country? Please provide proof that Ukraine is "Bidens money laundering operation". I think Cincinnatus is hit the nail on the head. Putin fills the role of "Alpha male" for a lot of folks here now that Trump is mostly out of the picture. Like a girl with daddy issues, bouncing from one broken relationship to the next. Wow you guys have some real messed up fantasies…you should hook up…its ok lots of gays live kick ass lives now. The ad ad homonym attacks let us all know who the ones with the agenda are, not that we didn’t already know If supporting Ukraine means you love Biden (as has been suggested), then those who pretend to not care about potential WWIII situations in Europe must be Putin lovers. That blade cuts both ways. Get the fuck out of here with that stupidity. I love how most motherfuckers on here couldn’t tell us the capital of Nebraska are suddenly experts on the geopolitical complexities of northwest Eurasia. You haven’t said fuck all about Ukraine, or Russia’s issues with it, until your TV told you to. Putin has been moving troops along that fucking border for a nearly a decade. I didn’t see you proselytizing about being a good American by supporting Ukraine back then. Just click on Faux News, swallow it all, you got this!! I don’t watch TV. But I do watch Russian troop movements, and their intentions. I also study Russian information operations and their hybrid war. I’ve made a few predictions over the last few months. It’s a living. maybe you guys should be watching our border.... There goes those Russian talking points again! lol Russia and China are threats. People coming across our borders are threats. Everyone has a role in focusing on these threats. Anyone who insists we ignore ANY of these threats in favor of the other is probably in the tank for the one they want us to ignore. The Democrats and the Left want us to ignore the border, because they want that threat to defeat us. YOU want us to ignore Russia… |
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Posted: 4/19/2022 9:39:13 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't watch TV. But I do watch Russian troop movements, and their intentions. I also study Russian information operations and their hybrid war. I've made a few predictions over the last few months. It's a living. His voice is a bit frail now, but the mind, even at age 94, is as sharp as ever. So when I reached George Kennan by phone to get his reaction to the Senate's ratification of NATO expansion it was no surprise to find that the man who was the architect of America's successful containment of the Soviet Union and one of the great American statesmen of the 20th century was ready with an answer. ''I think it is the beginning of a new cold war,'' said Mr. Kennan from his Princeton home. ''I think the Russians will gradually react quite adversely and it will affect their policies. I think it is a tragic mistake. There was no reason for this whatsoever. No one was threatening anybody else. This expansion would make the Founding Fathers of this country turn over in their graves. We have signed up to protect a whole series of countries, even though we have neither the resources nor the intention to do so in any serious way. [NATO expansion] was simply a light-hearted action by a Senate that has no real interest in foreign affairs.'' ''What bothers me is how superficial and ill informed the whole Senate debate was,'' added Mr. Kennan, who was present at the creation of NATO and whose anonymous 1947 article in the journal Foreign Affairs, signed ''X,'' defined America's cold-war containment policy for 40 years. ''I was particularly bothered by the references to Russia as a country dying to attack Western Europe. Don't people understand? Our differences in the cold war were with the Soviet Communist regime. And now we are turning our backs on the very people who mounted the greatest bloodless revolution in history to remove that Soviet regime. ''And Russia's democracy is as far advanced, if not farther, as any of these countries we've just signed up to defend from Russia,'' said Mr. Kennan, who joined the State Department in 1926 and was U.S. Ambassador to Moscow in 1952. ''It shows so little understanding of Russian history and Soviet history. Of course there is going to be a bad reaction from Russia, and then [the NATO expanders] will say that we always told you that is how the Russians are -- but this is just wrong.'' https://www.nytimes.com/1998/05/02/opinion/foreign-affairs-now-a-word-from-x.html |
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Posted: 4/19/2022 9:39:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: funny how its the career mil guys, who all just so happen to specialize in Russia, that want to paint Russia as the biggest evil, raping, murdering, and pillaging poor, innocent Ukrainians. I wonder if we did go to war, someone who specializes in Russia would become mighty valuable, maybe even get a career advancement or even a nice consulting job for a big defense contractor. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Another strawman. You guys are bad at this. Well what do you guys expect. According to you we are all just paid Russian shills. An actual argument. Roland, I genuinely mean this respectfully, would any argumentative stance change your opinion? You have skin in the game via what you just mentioned with service, and family from the other thread. Are you a good dude? The probability is very high that you are, I do not know you so I would be a fool to say it in the affirmative, but I think that you are based on what I have read from you, and others supporting your stance. Yet, lets be honest here, there is still no changing your mind r/t this issue, the only end result that would be satisfactory is for everyone to see things exactly as "you" do (by you I mean anyone with a heated opinion on this issue) . And you know what? That is okay that you think that way. We all think that way. OP, myself, and all other posters. We are all on the same team though, I hope, I guess I can only speak for myself, but the point is I do not lose sleep if you have more interest and priority with what is going on over there than the average American (myself). I am not trying to change your mind, I support your choice of vehemently opposing Russia's operation/war so much that you do not just want to voice it, but want intervention, at the same time please do not diminish my belief that we are "already helping". I would help anyone in need, you, OP, whomever, even those a bit closer to these issues than I feel personally involved that have deemed us as shills, if you or anyone needed something I could provide. Your difference of peripheral opinion on this matter is respected, at the core I think most of us are closer than further away. Nobody is defending Russia. Nobody in my circle wants to see loss of any innocent life. I do not even want to see loss of life on either side. At the same time I understand it happens, and always has, and is not going to be changed by my short time on this planet, so I choose to prioritize my personal issues and life. Life is challenging enough as is, without being consumed by every new "crisis". Right? I know you understand that. Again, I empathize with you and the reasons you have to be more vocal about this circumstance, and anyone else that feels closer to this situation, but you will never see me outwardly cheering on the corpses of enemy soldiers being shown, etc. But please do not take that as myself, and likely others, having a lack of concern regarding the lives of innocents involved with this war. Speaking for myself only, I am a bit apathetic towards becoming continually involved with solving the totality of problems in our world. Why? Because it never ends. In my lifetime, the blink of an eye, if all we do is focus on every tangential evil that exists, we will never live. It is a circle of lost time. IMO? The issue to seeing eye to eye in a thread like this is the fact that the thread title is setup to seek confrontation, not resolve, no offense OP. Claiming Americans, conservatives, Republicans, and/or anyone else on this site as "rooting for Russia" is starting off on the wrong foot to seek unity from the get go. Obviously this is the internet, and unity is not the point? In person is such a better medium. **grammatical errors may exist** Evidence would change my mind, sure. I've changed my mind before. If evidence comes out that Ukranian had a secret weapon and was about to invade Russia then id change my mind. If I'm biased, I would be biased on the side of Russia, and I've defended Russia often when it makes sense to. We are all biased I disagree with you that people are not rooting for Russia. Yes, of course they exist in the literal sense of >0, are they idiots, maybe not far removed from Russia? I have no fucking idea. And here on ARF? Of course there are some, it is the internet, probably some trolls too. Seems rather small though in proportion to overall posters. In my day to day? I honestly do not know any, but I am originally from the Midwest so that is probably why. Many absolutely are. And to be honest, those that say they don't care at all as they watch an unjustified invasion where entire cities are being destroyed and non combatants raped and murdered...well, I find it abhorrent. To be clear I'm not advocating for boots on deck, but I'm totally fine paying taxes to give Ukraine all the weapons they need to kill those motherfuckers. I agree with support, just not openly supporting taking life (although it is a consequence of the situation) Moral dilemma .I think we are on the same page tbh. I mean that. I see no moral dilemma in taking the life of a Russian invading Ukraine for no valid reason. By extension, I have no moral dilemma with providing them the tools they need to protect their country from unlawful invasion. https://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Colin-Powell-holds-uo-a-vial-of-Iraqi-anthrax-at-the-UN-General-Assembly.jpg lol funny how its the career mil guys, who all just so happen to specialize in Russia, that want to paint Russia as the biggest evil, raping, murdering, and pillaging poor, innocent Ukrainians. I wonder if we did go to war, someone who specializes in Russia would become mighty valuable, maybe even get a career advancement or even a nice consulting job for a big defense contractor. Donald Trump’s National Defense Strategy listed Russia as one of our primary threats. Was he wrong? Obama mocked the idea that Russia was a threat. Was he right? |
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Posted: 4/19/2022 9:40:14 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why don't you do it if you feel so strongly about it. Now can we put away the "why don't you go to Ukraine" 'argument' Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Why don’t you give a shit about everyone else in the world being attacked…. Only Biden’s money laundering operation country? Please provide proof that Ukraine is "Bidens money laundering operation". I think Cincinnatus is hit the nail on the head. Putin fills the role of "Alpha male" for a lot of folks here now that Trump is mostly out of the picture. Like a girl with daddy issues, bouncing from one broken relationship to the next. Wow you guys have some real messed up fantasies…you should hook up…its ok lots of gays live kick ass lives now. The ad ad homonym attacks let us all know who the ones with the agenda are, not that we didn’t already know If supporting Ukraine means you love Biden (as has been suggested), then those who pretend to not care about potential WWIII situations in Europe must be Putin lovers. That blade cuts both ways. Get the fuck out of here with that stupidity. I love how most motherfuckers on here couldn’t tell us the capital of Nebraska are suddenly experts on the geopolitical complexities of northwest Eurasia. You haven’t said fuck all about Ukraine, or Russia’s issues with it, until your TV told you to. Putin has been moving troops along that fucking border for a nearly a decade. I didn’t see you proselytizing about being a good American by supporting Ukraine back then. Just click on Faux News, swallow it all, you got this!! I don’t watch TV. But I do watch Russian troop movements, and their intentions. I also study Russian information operations and their hybrid war. I’ve made a few predictions over the last few months. It’s a living. maybe you guys should be watching our border.... Why don't you do it if you feel so strongly about it. Now can we put away the "why don't you go to Ukraine" 'argument' That’s a great idea. There are tons of groups that do this. Why not sign up? |
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Posted: 4/19/2022 9:41:19 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: George Kennan made predictions in 1998, which have proven true. But I guess the author of the Cold War containment policy must be a Russian apologist, or at least not " a Western Civilization Chauvinist". Here are Kennan's thoughts on the matter: His voice is a bit frail now, but the mind, even at age 94, is as sharp as ever. So when I reached George Kennan by phone to get his reaction to the Senate's ratification of NATO expansion it was no surprise to find that the man who was the architect of America's successful containment of the Soviet Union and one of the great American statesmen of the 20th century was ready with an answer. ''I think it is the beginning of a new cold war,'' said Mr. Kennan from his Princeton home. ''I think the Russians will gradually react quite adversely and it will affect their policies. I think it is a tragic mistake. There was no reason for this whatsoever. No one was threatening anybody else. This expansion would make the Founding Fathers of this country turn over in their graves. We have signed up to protect a whole series of countries, even though we have neither the resources nor the intention to do so in any serious way. [NATO expansion] was simply a light-hearted action by a Senate that has no real interest in foreign affairs.'' ''What bothers me is how superficial and ill informed the whole Senate debate was,'' added Mr. Kennan, who was present at the creation of NATO and whose anonymous 1947 article in the journal Foreign Affairs, signed ''X,'' defined America's cold-war containment policy for 40 years. ''I was particularly bothered by the references to Russia as a country dying to attack Western Europe. Don't people understand? Our differences in the cold war were with the Soviet Communist regime. And now we are turning our backs on the very people who mounted the greatest bloodless revolution in history to remove that Soviet regime. ''And Russia's democracy is as far advanced, if not farther, as any of these countries we've just signed up to defend from Russia,'' said Mr. Kennan, who joined the State Department in 1926 and was U.S. Ambassador to Moscow in 1952. ''It shows so little understanding of Russian history and Soviet history. Of course there is going to be a bad reaction from Russia, and then [the NATO expanders] will say that we always told you that is how the Russians are -- but this is just wrong.'' https://www.nytimes.com/1998/05/02/opinion/foreign-affairs-now-a-word-from-x.html This.....x1000 |
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Posted: 4/19/2022 9:42:19 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ''And Russia's democracy is as far advanced, if not farther, as any of these countries we've just signed up to defend from Russia,'' said Mr. Kennan, who joined the State Department in 1926 
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Posted: 4/19/2022 9:47:28 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There goes those Russian talking points again! lol Russia and China are threats. People coming across our borders are threats. Everyone has a role in focusing on these threats. Anyone who insists we ignore ANY of these threats in favor of the other is probably in the tank for the one they want us to ignore. The Democrats and the Left want us to ignore the border, because they want that threat to defeat us. YOU want us to ignore Russia… Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Why don’t you give a shit about everyone else in the world being attacked…. Only Biden’s money laundering operation country? Please provide proof that Ukraine is "Bidens money laundering operation". I think Cincinnatus is hit the nail on the head. Putin fills the role of "Alpha male" for a lot of folks here now that Trump is mostly out of the picture. Like a girl with daddy issues, bouncing from one broken relationship to the next. Wow you guys have some real messed up fantasies…you should hook up…its ok lots of gays live kick ass lives now. The ad ad homonym attacks let us all know who the ones with the agenda are, not that we didn’t already know If supporting Ukraine means you love Biden (as has been suggested), then those who pretend to not care about potential WWIII situations in Europe must be Putin lovers. That blade cuts both ways. Get the fuck out of here with that stupidity. I love how most motherfuckers on here couldn’t tell us the capital of Nebraska are suddenly experts on the geopolitical complexities of northwest Eurasia. You haven’t said fuck all about Ukraine, or Russia’s issues with it, until your TV told you to. Putin has been moving troops along that fucking border for a nearly a decade. I didn’t see you proselytizing about being a good American by supporting Ukraine back then. Just click on Faux News, swallow it all, you got this!! I don’t watch TV. But I do watch Russian troop movements, and their intentions. I also study Russian information operations and their hybrid war. I’ve made a few predictions over the last few months. It’s a living. maybe you guys should be watching our border.... There goes those Russian talking points again! lol Russia and China are threats. People coming across our borders are threats. Everyone has a role in focusing on these threats. Anyone who insists we ignore ANY of these threats in favor of the other is probably in the tank for the one they want us to ignore. The Democrats and the Left want us to ignore the border, because they want that threat to defeat us. YOU want us to ignore Russia… no one gives a shit about russia. we want you to secure the fucking border dude. not opium fields in AFG, not pipelines for saudi princes, especially not the corrupt govt in ukraine. honestly wtf, explain how we have the largest military in the world and the weakest border. go on explain it like Im 12. |
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Posted: 4/19/2022 9:47:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: ''And Russia's democracy is as far advanced, if not farther, as any of these countries we've just signed up to defend from Russia,'' said Mr. Kennan, who joined the State Department in 1926 I just ...can't |
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Posted: 4/19/2022 9:49:11 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: no one gives a shit about russia. we want you to secure the fucking border dude. not opium fields in AFG, not pipelines for saudi princes, especially not the corrupt govt in ukraine. honestly wtf, explain how we have the largest military in the world and the weakest border. go on explain it like in 12. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Why don’t you give a shit about everyone else in the world being attacked…. Only Biden’s money laundering operation country? Please provide proof that Ukraine is "Bidens money laundering operation". I think Cincinnatus is hit the nail on the head. Putin fills the role of "Alpha male" for a lot of folks here now that Trump is mostly out of the picture. Like a girl with daddy issues, bouncing from one broken relationship to the next. Wow you guys have some real messed up fantasies…you should hook up…its ok lots of gays live kick ass lives now. The ad ad homonym attacks let us all know who the ones with the agenda are, not that we didn’t already know If supporting Ukraine means you love Biden (as has been suggested), then those who pretend to not care about potential WWIII situations in Europe must be Putin lovers. That blade cuts both ways. Get the fuck out of here with that stupidity. I love how most motherfuckers on here couldn’t tell us the capital of Nebraska are suddenly experts on the geopolitical complexities of northwest Eurasia. You haven’t said fuck all about Ukraine, or Russia’s issues with it, until your TV told you to. Putin has been moving troops along that fucking border for a nearly a decade. I didn’t see you proselytizing about being a good American by supporting Ukraine back then. Just click on Faux News, swallow it all, you got this!! I don’t watch TV. But I do watch Russian troop movements, and their intentions. I also study Russian information operations and their hybrid war. I’ve made a few predictions over the last few months. It’s a living. maybe you guys should be watching our border.... There goes those Russian talking points again! lol Russia and China are threats. People coming across our borders are threats. Everyone has a role in focusing on these threats. Anyone who insists we ignore ANY of these threats in favor of the other is probably in the tank for the one they want us to ignore. The Democrats and the Left want us to ignore the border, because they want that threat to defeat us. YOU want us to ignore Russia… no one gives a shit about russia. we want you to secure the fucking border dude. not opium fields in AFG, not pipelines for saudi princes, especially not the corrupt govt in ukraine. honestly wtf, explain how we have the largest military in the world and the weakest border. go on explain it like in 12. Join one of the border groups and do it yourself. Apparently you don't understand how the military works...as if we get to decide where we get deployed lol. YOU can decide for yourself though. |
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Posted: 4/19/2022 9:50:11 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: no one gives a shit about russia. we want you to secure the fucking border dude. not opium fields in AFG, not pipelines for saudi princes, especially not the corrupt govt in ukraine. honestly wtf, explain how we have the largest military in the world and the weakest border. go on explain it like in 12. We should probably create an agency responsible for patrolling the border. Also, write your representatives. The military is deployed per orders of the Secretary of Defense, we don't get to choose where we deploy to and under what rules of engagement. |
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Posted: 4/19/2022 9:56:13 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: no one gives a shit about russia. we want you to secure the fucking border dude. not opium fields in AFG, not pipelines for saudi princes, especially not the corrupt govt in ukraine. honestly wtf, explain how we have the largest military in the world and the weakest border. go on explain it like Im 12. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Why don’t you give a shit about everyone else in the world being attacked…. Only Biden’s money laundering operation country? Please provide proof that Ukraine is "Bidens money laundering operation". I think Cincinnatus is hit the nail on the head. Putin fills the role of "Alpha male" for a lot of folks here now that Trump is mostly out of the picture. Like a girl with daddy issues, bouncing from one broken relationship to the next. Wow you guys have some real messed up fantasies…you should hook up…its ok lots of gays live kick ass lives now. The ad ad homonym attacks let us all know who the ones with the agenda are, not that we didn’t already know If supporting Ukraine means you love Biden (as has been suggested), then those who pretend to not care about potential WWIII situations in Europe must be Putin lovers. That blade cuts both ways. Get the fuck out of here with that stupidity. I love how most motherfuckers on here couldn’t tell us the capital of Nebraska are suddenly experts on the geopolitical complexities of northwest Eurasia. You haven’t said fuck all about Ukraine, or Russia’s issues with it, until your TV told you to. Putin has been moving troops along that fucking border for a nearly a decade. I didn’t see you proselytizing about being a good American by supporting Ukraine back then. Just click on Faux News, swallow it all, you got this!! I don’t watch TV. But I do watch Russian troop movements, and their intentions. I also study Russian information operations and their hybrid war. I’ve made a few predictions over the last few months. It’s a living. maybe you guys should be watching our border.... There goes those Russian talking points again! lol Russia and China are threats. People coming across our borders are threats. Everyone has a role in focusing on these threats. Anyone who insists we ignore ANY of these threats in favor of the other is probably in the tank for the one they want us to ignore. The Democrats and the Left want us to ignore the border, because they want that threat to defeat us. YOU want us to ignore Russia… no one gives a shit about russia. we want you to secure the fucking border dude. not opium fields in AFG, not pipelines for saudi princes, especially not the corrupt govt in ukraine. honestly wtf, explain how we have the largest military in the world and the weakest border. go on explain it like Im 12. The border patrol people do the border. The military people do the China/Russia thing. Football players play football. Baseball players play baseball. Chef bake pies. Russian shills regurgitate Russian talking points. |
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Posted: 4/19/2022 9:59:32 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The border patrol people do the border. The military people do the China/Russia thing. Football player play football. Baseball players play baseball. Chef bake pies. Russian shills regurgitate Russian talking points. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Why don’t you give a shit about everyone else in the world being attacked…. Only Biden’s money laundering operation country? Please provide proof that Ukraine is "Bidens money laundering operation". I think Cincinnatus is hit the nail on the head. Putin fills the role of "Alpha male" for a lot of folks here now that Trump is mostly out of the picture. Like a girl with daddy issues, bouncing from one broken relationship to the next. Wow you guys have some real messed up fantasies…you should hook up…its ok lots of gays live kick ass lives now. The ad ad homonym attacks let us all know who the ones with the agenda are, not that we didn’t already know If supporting Ukraine means you love Biden (as has been suggested), then those who pretend to not care about potential WWIII situations in Europe must be Putin lovers. That blade cuts both ways. Get the fuck out of here with that stupidity. I love how most motherfuckers on here couldn’t tell us the capital of Nebraska are suddenly experts on the geopolitical complexities of northwest Eurasia. You haven’t said fuck all about Ukraine, or Russia’s issues with it, until your TV told you to. Putin has been moving troops along that fucking border for a nearly a decade. I didn’t see you proselytizing about being a good American by supporting Ukraine back then. Just click on Faux News, swallow it all, you got this!! I don’t watch TV. But I do watch Russian troop movements, and their intentions. I also study Russian information operations and their hybrid war. I’ve made a few predictions over the last few months. It’s a living. maybe you guys should be watching our border.... There goes those Russian talking points again! lol Russia and China are threats. People coming across our borders are threats. Everyone has a role in focusing on these threats. Anyone who insists we ignore ANY of these threats in favor of the other is probably in the tank for the one they want us to ignore. The Democrats and the Left want us to ignore the border, because they want that threat to defeat us. YOU want us to ignore Russia… no one gives a shit about russia. we want you to secure the fucking border dude. not opium fields in AFG, not pipelines for saudi princes, especially not the corrupt govt in ukraine. honestly wtf, explain how we have the largest military in the world and the weakest border. go on explain it like Im 12. The border patrol people do the border. The military people do the China/Russia thing. Football player play football. Baseball players play baseball. Chef bake pies. Russian shills regurgitate Russian talking points. thats retarded, we are being invaded by multiple foreign nations and you guys are like "welp, not my job." its also not my job to pay for ukraine's weapons. are we even sending Ukraine weapons or is it just going into another slush fund? https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/19/politics/us-weapons-ukraine-intelligence/index.html |
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Posted: 4/19/2022 10:00:58 PM EST
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: thats retarded, we are being invaded by multiple foreign nations and you guys are like "welp, not my job." its also not my job to pay for ukraine's weapons. are we even sending Ukraine weapons or is it just going into another slush fund? https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/19/politics/us-weapons-ukraine-intelligence/index.html Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Why don’t you give a shit about everyone else in the world being attacked…. Only Biden’s money laundering operation country? Please provide proof that Ukraine is "Bidens money laundering operation". I think Cincinnatus is hit the nail on the head. Putin fills the role of "Alpha male" for a lot of folks here now that Trump is mostly out of the picture. Like a girl with daddy issues, bouncing from one broken relationship to the next. Wow you guys have some real messed up fantasies…you should hook up…its ok lots of gays live kick ass lives now. The ad ad homonym attacks let us all know who the ones with the agenda are, not that we didn’t already know If supporting Ukraine means you love Biden (as has been suggested), then those who pretend to not care about potential WWIII situations in Europe must be Putin lovers. That blade cuts both ways. Get the fuck out of here with that stupidity. I love how most motherfuckers on here couldn’t tell us the capital of Nebraska are suddenly experts on the geopolitical complexities of northwest Eurasia. You haven’t said fuck all about Ukraine, or Russia’s issues with it, until your TV told you to. Putin has been moving troops along that fucking border for a nearly a decade. I didn’t see you proselytizing about being a good American by supporting Ukraine back then. Just click on Faux News, swallow it all, you got this!! I don’t watch TV. But I do watch Russian troop movements, and their intentions. I also study Russian information operations and their hybrid war. I’ve made a few predictions over the last few months. It’s a living. maybe you guys should be watching our border.... There goes those Russian talking points again! lol Russia and China are threats. People coming across our borders are threats. Everyone has a role in focusing on these threats. Anyone who insists we ignore ANY of these threats in favor of the other is probably in the tank for the one they want us to ignore. The Democrats and the Left want us to ignore the border, because they want that threat to defeat us. YOU want us to ignore Russia… no one gives a shit about russia. we want you to secure the fucking border dude. not opium fields in AFG, not pipelines for saudi princes, especially not the corrupt govt in ukraine. honestly wtf, explain how we have the largest military in the world and the weakest border. go on explain it like Im 12. The border patrol people do the border. The military people do the China/Russia thing. Football player play football. Baseball players play baseball. Chef bake pies. Russian shills regurgitate Russian talking points. thats retarded, we are being invaded by multiple foreign nations and you guys are like "welp, not my job." its also not my job to pay for ukraine's weapons. are we even sending Ukraine weapons or is it just going into another slush fund? https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/19/politics/us-weapons-ukraine-intelligence/index.html 
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Posted: 4/19/2022 10:04:40 PM EST
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: thats retarded, we are being invaded by multiple foreign nations and you guys are like "welp, not my job." its also not my job to pay for ukraine's weapons. are we even sending Ukraine weapons or is it just going into another slush fund? https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/19/politics/us-weapons-ukraine-intelligence/index.html Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Why don’t you give a shit about everyone else in the world being attacked…. Only Biden’s money laundering operation country? Please provide proof that Ukraine is "Bidens money laundering operation". I think Cincinnatus is hit the nail on the head. Putin fills the role of "Alpha male" for a lot of folks here now that Trump is mostly out of the picture. Like a girl with daddy issues, bouncing from one broken relationship to the next. Wow you guys have some real messed up fantasies…you should hook up…its ok lots of gays live kick ass lives now. The ad ad homonym attacks let us all know who the ones with the agenda are, not that we didn’t already know If supporting Ukraine means you love Biden (as has been suggested), then those who pretend to not care about potential WWIII situations in Europe must be Putin lovers. That blade cuts both ways. Get the fuck out of here with that stupidity. I love how most motherfuckers on here couldn’t tell us the capital of Nebraska are suddenly experts on the geopolitical complexities of northwest Eurasia. You haven’t said fuck all about Ukraine, or Russia’s issues with it, until your TV told you to. Putin has been moving troops along that fucking border for a nearly a decade. I didn’t see you proselytizing about being a good American by supporting Ukraine back then. Just click on Faux News, swallow it all, you got this!! I don’t watch TV. But I do watch Russian troop movements, and their intentions. I also study Russian information operations and their hybrid war. I’ve made a few predictions over the last few months. It’s a living. maybe you guys should be watching our border.... There goes those Russian talking points again! lol Russia and China are threats. People coming across our borders are threats. Everyone has a role in focusing on these threats. Anyone who insists we ignore ANY of these threats in favor of the other is probably in the tank for the one they want us to ignore. The Democrats and the Left want us to ignore the border, because they want that threat to defeat us. YOU want us to ignore Russia… no one gives a shit about russia. we want you to secure the fucking border dude. not opium fields in AFG, not pipelines for saudi princes, especially not the corrupt govt in ukraine. honestly wtf, explain how we have the largest military in the world and the weakest border. go on explain it like Im 12. The border patrol people do the border. The military people do the China/Russia thing. Football player play football. Baseball players play baseball. Chef bake pies. Russian shills regurgitate Russian talking points. thats retarded, we are being invaded by multiple foreign nations and you guys are like "welp, not my job." its also not my job to pay for ukraine's weapons. are we even sending Ukraine weapons or is it just going into another slush fund? https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/19/politics/us-weapons-ukraine-intelligence/index.html How many times have you written your reps to get us deployed to the border? It's quite literally not our job unless the federal government send us there. You're so ignorant it's impossible to even have a conversation with you. |
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Posted: 4/19/2022 10:19:16 PM EST
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I see no moral dilemma in taking the life of a Russian invading Ukraine for no valid reason. By extension, I have no moral dilemma with providing them the tools they need to protect their country from unlawful invasion. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Another strawman. You guys are bad at this. Well what do you guys expect. According to you we are all just paid Russian shills. An actual argument. Roland, I genuinely mean this respectfully, would any argumentative stance change your opinion? You have skin in the game via what you just mentioned with service, and family from the other thread. Are you a good dude? The probability is very high that you are, I do not know you so I would be a fool to say it in the affirmative, but I think that you are based on what I have read from you, and others supporting your stance. Yet, lets be honest here, there is still no changing your mind r/t this issue, the only end result that would be satisfactory is for everyone to see things exactly as "you" do (by you I mean anyone with a heated opinion on this issue) . And you know what? That is okay that you think that way. We all think that way. OP, myself, and all other posters. We are all on the same team though, I hope, I guess I can only speak for myself, but the point is I do not lose sleep if you have more interest and priority with what is going on over there than the average American (myself). I am not trying to change your mind, I support your choice of vehemently opposing Russia's operation/war so much that you do not just want to voice it, but want intervention, at the same time please do not diminish my belief that we are "already helping". I would help anyone in need, you, OP, whomever, even those a bit closer to these issues than I feel personally involved that have deemed us as shills, if you or anyone needed something I could provide. Your difference of peripheral opinion on this matter is respected, at the core I think most of us are closer than further away. Nobody is defending Russia. Nobody in my circle wants to see loss of any innocent life. I do not even want to see loss of life on either side. At the same time I understand it happens, and always has, and is not going to be changed by my short time on this planet, so I choose to prioritize my personal issues and life. Life is challenging enough as is, without being consumed by every new "crisis". Right? I know you understand that. Again, I empathize with you and the reasons you have to be more vocal about this circumstance, and anyone else that feels closer to this situation, but you will never see me outwardly cheering on the corpses of enemy soldiers being shown, etc. But please do not take that as myself, and likely others, having a lack of concern regarding the lives of innocents involved with this war. Speaking for myself only, I am a bit apathetic towards becoming continually involved with solving the totality of problems in our world. Why? Because it never ends. In my lifetime, the blink of an eye, if all we do is focus on every tangential evil that exists, we will never live. It is a circle of lost time. IMO? The issue to seeing eye to eye in a thread like this is the fact that the thread title is setup to seek confrontation, not resolve, no offense OP. Claiming Americans, conservatives, Republicans, and/or anyone else on this site as "rooting for Russia" is starting off on the wrong foot to seek unity from the get go. Obviously this is the internet, and unity is not the point? In person is such a better medium. **grammatical errors may exist** Evidence would change my mind, sure. I've changed my mind before. If evidence comes out that Ukranian had a secret weapon and was about to invade Russia then id change my mind. If I'm biased, I would be biased on the side of Russia, and I've defended Russia often when it makes sense to. We are all biased I disagree with you that people are not rooting for Russia. Yes, of course they exist in the literal sense of >0, are they idiots, maybe not far removed from Russia? I have no fucking idea. And here on ARF? Of course there are some, it is the internet, probably some trolls too. Seems rather small though in proportion to overall posters. In my day to day? I honestly do not know any, but I am originally from the Midwest so that is probably why. Many absolutely are. And to be honest, those that say they don't care at all as they watch an unjustified invasion where entire cities are being destroyed and non combatants raped and murdered...well, I find it abhorrent. To be clear I'm not advocating for boots on deck, but I'm totally fine paying taxes to give Ukraine all the weapons they need to kill those motherfuckers. I agree with support, just not openly supporting taking life (although it is a consequence of the situation) Moral dilemma .I think we are on the same page tbh. I mean that. I see no moral dilemma in taking the life of a Russian invading Ukraine for no valid reason. By extension, I have no moral dilemma with providing them the tools they need to protect their country from unlawful invasion. I respect your opinion. Some of us, by nature, and profession, have a commitment towards recognizing the existence of moral dilemmas before making decisions. I see value in all life. I have to, but I also choose to do it. That being said, if someone's life is threatened, I support the ability to do everything, and anything, that is required to survive. Anything. Clear as mud?  |
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Posted: 4/19/2022 10:24:46 PM EST
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I respect your opinion. Some of us, by nature, and profession, have a commitment towards recognizing the existence of moral dilemmas before making decisions. I see value in all life. I have to, but I also choose to do it. That being said, if someone's life is threatened, I support the ability to do everything, and anything, that is required to survive. Anything. Clear as mud? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Another strawman. You guys are bad at this. Well what do you guys expect. According to you we are all just paid Russian shills. An actual argument. Roland, I genuinely mean this respectfully, would any argumentative stance change your opinion? You have skin in the game via what you just mentioned with service, and family from the other thread. Are you a good dude? The probability is very high that you are, I do not know you so I would be a fool to say it in the affirmative, but I think that you are based on what I have read from you, and others supporting your stance. Yet, lets be honest here, there is still no changing your mind r/t this issue, the only end result that would be satisfactory is for everyone to see things exactly as "you" do (by you I mean anyone with a heated opinion on this issue) . And you know what? That is okay that you think that way. We all think that way. OP, myself, and all other posters. We are all on the same team though, I hope, I guess I can only speak for myself, but the point is I do not lose sleep if you have more interest and priority with what is going on over there than the average American (myself). I am not trying to change your mind, I support your choice of vehemently opposing Russia's operation/war so much that you do not just want to voice it, but want intervention, at the same time please do not diminish my belief that we are "already helping". I would help anyone in need, you, OP, whomever, even those a bit closer to these issues than I feel personally involved that have deemed us as shills, if you or anyone needed something I could provide. Your difference of peripheral opinion on this matter is respected, at the core I think most of us are closer than further away. Nobody is defending Russia. Nobody in my circle wants to see loss of any innocent life. I do not even want to see loss of life on either side. At the same time I understand it happens, and always has, and is not going to be changed by my short time on this planet, so I choose to prioritize my personal issues and life. Life is challenging enough as is, without being consumed by every new "crisis". Right? I know you understand that. Again, I empathize with you and the reasons you have to be more vocal about this circumstance, and anyone else that feels closer to this situation, but you will never see me outwardly cheering on the corpses of enemy soldiers being shown, etc. But please do not take that as myself, and likely others, having a lack of concern regarding the lives of innocents involved with this war. Speaking for myself only, I am a bit apathetic towards becoming continually involved with solving the totality of problems in our world. Why? Because it never ends. In my lifetime, the blink of an eye, if all we do is focus on every tangential evil that exists, we will never live. It is a circle of lost time. IMO? The issue to seeing eye to eye in a thread like this is the fact that the thread title is setup to seek confrontation, not resolve, no offense OP. Claiming Americans, conservatives, Republicans, and/or anyone else on this site as "rooting for Russia" is starting off on the wrong foot to seek unity from the get go. Obviously this is the internet, and unity is not the point? In person is such a better medium. **grammatical errors may exist** Evidence would change my mind, sure. I've changed my mind before. If evidence comes out that Ukranian had a secret weapon and was about to invade Russia then id change my mind. If I'm biased, I would be biased on the side of Russia, and I've defended Russia often when it makes sense to. We are all biased I disagree with you that people are not rooting for Russia. Yes, of course they exist in the literal sense of >0, are they idiots, maybe not far removed from Russia? I have no fucking idea. And here on ARF? Of course there are some, it is the internet, probably some trolls too. Seems rather small though in proportion to overall posters. In my day to day? I honestly do not know any, but I am originally from the Midwest so that is probably why. Many absolutely are. And to be honest, those that say they don't care at all as they watch an unjustified invasion where entire cities are being destroyed and non combatants raped and murdered...well, I find it abhorrent. To be clear I'm not advocating for boots on deck, but I'm totally fine paying taxes to give Ukraine all the weapons they need to kill those motherfuckers. I agree with support, just not openly supporting taking life (although it is a consequence of the situation) Moral dilemma .I think we are on the same page tbh. I mean that. I see no moral dilemma in taking the life of a Russian invading Ukraine for no valid reason. By extension, I have no moral dilemma with providing them the tools they need to protect their country from unlawful invasion. I respect your opinion. Some of us, by nature, and profession, have a commitment towards recognizing the existence of moral dilemmas before making decisions. I see value in all life. I have to, but I also choose to do it. That being said, if someone's life is threatened, I support the ability to do everything, and anything, that is required to survive. Anything. Clear as mud? They certainly do exist in the world. This one is pretty clear though. |
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Posted: 4/19/2022 10:25:21 PM EST
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: thats retarded, we are being invaded by multiple foreign nations and you guys are like "welp, not my job." its also not my job to pay for ukraine's weapons. are we even sending Ukraine weapons or is it just going into another slush fund? https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/19/politics/us-weapons-ukraine-intelligence/index.html You're one of those guys that believes Ukraine actually exists? 
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Posted: 4/19/2022 10:34:52 PM EST
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not true. You know this isn’t true. I agree and I should have clarified with you lurking around. It is a non zero number, but is it of statistical significance? Enlighten me. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 1:24:30 AM EST
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That makes no sense, and has nothing at all to do with Russia’s ambition to reclaim former soviet areas, and how that affects the US and Western culture in general. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Actually we CAN'T do more than one thing at a time. We can't even do the things we need to do regardless of how fucked up the rest of the world is. We haven't even begun to tend to the problems of this country. But we have made more problems, of course non of it is bidens fault. Nothing will ever get solved because there is always going to be a distraction the minute it's even acknowledged that we have a problem. That makes no sense, and has nothing at all to do with Russia’s ambition to reclaim former soviet areas, and how that affects the US and Western culture in general. Reclaim former territory? Putin has been warning about NATO expansion for years and years. Yet the pro war assholes just kept on. They went too far and are now trying to blame anyone not on board with the war machine for not going all in. Fuck them. The death of Ukrainian people is their fault. Russia’s invasion is ugly but they are by far the least evil state in all of this. I don’t want that. I want the US to be the righteous country it once was. But here we are. There is no sufficient reason for NATO to exist after the dissolution of the USSR other than to continue conflict. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 1:29:02 AM EST
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not Russia’s fault.The entire Russian propaganda aim of the Cold War was based on premise that the West war the villain and Russia the victim. Poor Russia! Yes, and it was laughable and transparent then. A long time ago. Now our Pravdaesque MSM is doing the same. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 1:31:47 AM EST
[#24]
I just hate Ukraine, now that I've learned about it. Scumbags, the only reason we're involved is because our elites are getting rich over there. There is no real American interest.
I don't particularly like Russia but when they attacked Ukraine I understood why and their motivations. I personally, if I was Russia, would not have done that. Since war is usually a bad idea and you should be either defending or retaliating when it happens. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 3:41:53 AM EST
[#25]
I love how Russia is simultaneously the biggest threat ever to the US and getting their asses handed to them by some wolverines in Ukraine.
Which one is it boys? Should I be worried about them or are they a bunch of losers? |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 4:39:39 AM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I love how Russia is simultaneously the biggest threat ever to the US and getting their asses handed to them by some wolverines in Ukraine. Which one is it boys? Should I be worried about them or are they a bunch of losers? Both. They aren’t going to invade America. But they can cause us a lot of problems. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 7:05:07 AM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I just ...can't Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: ''And Russia's democracy is as far advanced, if not farther, as any of these countries we've just signed up to defend from Russia,'' said Mr. Kennan, who joined the State Department in 1926 I just ...can't |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 7:12:54 AM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I agree and I should have clarified with you lurking around. It is a non zero number, but is it of statistical significance? Enlighten me. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Not true. You know this isn’t true. I agree and I should have clarified with you lurking around. It is a non zero number, but is it of statistical significance? Enlighten me. This post didn’t age well. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 7:14:57 AM EST
[#29]
I don't care how but we have to kill the Russian bear, I din;t care for the politics.
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Posted: 4/20/2022 7:32:58 AM EST
[#30]
What is the tangible negative result for American citizens, if Russia takes Ukraine?
Hunter Biden and associates can’t launder millions in bribes? Seriously. How does it affect the guy working at the local McDonalds? It doesn’t. That’s not pro Russia…it’s literally America First. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 7:44:35 AM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What is the tangible negative result for American citizens, if Russia takes Ukraine? Hunter Biden and associates can’t launder millions in bribes? Seriously. How does it affect the guy working at the local McDonalds? It doesn’t. That’s not pro Russia…it’s literally America First. Sort of the position I am in, it sucks they invaded so its great their army is being attrited and I would also be willing to do contracting work to train them to use the fires systems we are sending but in the end the US is the brink of being the Wiemar 2.0 and this is a distraction from the problems we have here at home. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 7:45:34 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Reclaim former territory? Putin has been warning about NATO expansion for years and years. Yet the pro war assholes just kept on. They went too far and are now trying to blame anyone not on board with the war machine for not going all in. Fuck them. The death of Ukrainian people is their fault. Russia’s invasion is ugly but they are by far the least evil state in all of this. I don’t want that. I want the US to be the righteous country it once was. But here we are. There is no sufficient reason for NATO to exist after the dissolution of the USSR other than to continue conflict. Quote HistoryQuoted: Reclaim former territory? Putin has been warning about NATO expansion for years and years. Yet the pro war assholes just kept on. They went too far and are now trying to blame anyone not on board with the war machine for not going all in. Fuck them. The death of Ukrainian people is their fault. Russia’s invasion is ugly but they are by far the least evil state in all of this. I don’t want that. I want the US to be the righteous country it once was. But here we are. There is no sufficient reason for NATO to exist after the dissolution of the USSR other than to continue conflict. Yeah, when the US moved an armored division into Europe while Germany was simultaneously building up their own forces, Putin had to deal with that clear threat. Oh, wait, I was reading this wrong: it looks like the US actually removed our armored division from Europe, and Germany's armed forces have severely atrophied. NATO was a dying joke prior to this war; no reasonable person could have perceived it as a threat to Russia. Quoted: I love how Russia is simultaneously the biggest threat ever to the US and getting their asses handed to them by some wolverines in Ukraine. Which one is it boys? Should I be worried about them or are they a bunch of losers? In addition to the fact that Russia’s strategic forces are absolutely the biggest existential threat to the US, the current poor performance of their conventional forces is no guarantee of future poor performance. Israel's ground forces are generally considered to have performed poorly in the 2006 2nd Lebanon War, but they turned their military around quite quickly. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 8:20:18 AM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, when the US moved an armored division into Europe while Germany was simultaneously building up their own forces, Putin had to deal with that clear threat. Oh, wait, I was reading this wrong: it looks like the US actually removed our armored division from Europe, and Germany's armed forces have severely atrophied. NATO was a dying joke prior to this war; no reasonable person could have perceived it as a threat to Russia. In addition to the fact that Russia’s strategic forces are absolutely the biggest existential threat to the US, the current poor performance of their conventional forces is no guarantee of future poor performance. Israel's ground forces are generally considered to have performed poorly in the 2006 2nd Lebanon War, but they turned their military around quite quickly. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Reclaim former territory? Putin has been warning about NATO expansion for years and years. Yet the pro war assholes just kept on. They went too far and are now trying to blame anyone not on board with the war machine for not going all in. Fuck them. The death of Ukrainian people is their fault. Russia’s invasion is ugly but they are by far the least evil state in all of this. I don’t want that. I want the US to be the righteous country it once was. But here we are. There is no sufficient reason for NATO to exist after the dissolution of the USSR other than to continue conflict. Yeah, when the US moved an armored division into Europe while Germany was simultaneously building up their own forces, Putin had to deal with that clear threat. Oh, wait, I was reading this wrong: it looks like the US actually removed our armored division from Europe, and Germany's armed forces have severely atrophied. NATO was a dying joke prior to this war; no reasonable person could have perceived it as a threat to Russia. Quoted: I love how Russia is simultaneously the biggest threat ever to the US and getting their asses handed to them by some wolverines in Ukraine. Which one is it boys? Should I be worried about them or are they a bunch of losers? In addition to the fact that Russia’s strategic forces are absolutely the biggest existential threat to the US, the current poor performance of their conventional forces is no guarantee of future poor performance. Israel's ground forces are generally considered to have performed poorly in the 2006 2nd Lebanon War, but they turned their military around quite quickly. I always thought the cold war was about defeating communism/the bolsheviks? not the Russian people. or did that change once the bolsheviks got a foothold in this country the biggest existential threat to the US is dual citizens in govt. and the international money changers. the ones actually trying to push communism/ Talmudism on the west |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 8:22:08 AM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: As predicted. This guy knows more about the subject than anyone on the planet, including George Kennan. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 8:37:20 AM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: As predicted. This guy knows more about the subject than anyone on the planet, including George Kennan. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: As predicted. This guy knows more about the subject than anyone on the planet, including George Kennan. The same George Kennan who strenuously advocated for a "patient but firm and vigilant containment of Russian expansive tendencies"? That George Kennan? Sounds like a smart guy. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 8:37:43 AM EST
[#36]
Some of you war mongers are determined to bring the threat of WW3 and nuclear war Bach from the grave of the Cold War.
They are no longer the USSR. The commies are here now. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 8:43:28 AM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Some of you war mongers are determined to bring the threat of WW3 and nuclear war Bach from the grave of the Cold War. They are no longer the USSR. The commies are here now. The Code Pink "commies" in the US are saying the EXACT same thing. They are funded by George Soros. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 9:00:24 AM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Some of you war mongers are determined to bring the threat of WW3 and nuclear war Bach from the grave of the Cold War. They are no longer the USSR. The commies are here now. You're right. The world should just let Russia's aggression in Europe go unchecked. The threat of WW3 and nuclear war with Russia never went away. Until Putin is gone it won't go away. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 9:07:41 AM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Some of you war mongers are determined to bring the threat of WW3 and nuclear war Bach from the grave of the Cold War. They are no longer the USSR. The commies are here now. Woah! That's news to me! There actually were international tribunals and executions of the Communist Party members held for those responsible for the murder of 40,000,000+ and Russia was officially de-Communised? You know, like we did with the Socialists in Germany following WW2? How did I miss this? |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 9:09:32 AM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I love how Russia is simultaneously the biggest threat ever to the US and getting their asses handed to them by some wolverines in Ukraine. Which one is it boys? Should I be worried about them or are they a bunch of losers? They were terrible when they invaded Finland and Poland in 39. Terrible in 41. Took Berlin in 45. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 9:09:36 AM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryCincinnatus: There goes those Russian talking points again! lol Russia and China are threats. People coming across our borders are threats. Everyone has a role in focusing on these threats. Anyone who insists we ignore ANY of these threats in favor of the other is probably in the tank for the one they want us to ignore. The Democrats and the Left want us to ignore the border, because they want that threat to defeat us. YOU want us to ignore Russia… baloney |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 9:24:04 AM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: baloney If someone insisted that we "stop worrying about China" -what would you think of that person and their intentions? If someone insisted that we "stop worrying about the Border" -what would you think of that person and their intentions? If someone insisted that we "stop worrying about Russia" -what would you think of that person and their intentions? Keeping in mind, that "worrying about" these issues/threats is not a mutually exclusive exercise. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 9:24:47 AM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I love how Russia is simultaneously the biggest threat ever to the US and getting their asses handed to them by some wolverines in Ukraine. Which one is it boys? Should I be worried about them or are they a bunch of losers? Picture a 300 lb retard with a loaded handgun. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 9:39:58 AM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Reclaim former territory? Putin has been warning about NATO expansion for years and years. Yet the pro war assholes just kept on. They went too far and are now trying to blame anyone not on board with the war machine for not going all in. Fuck them. The death of Ukrainian people is their fault. Russia’s invasion is ugly but they are by far the least evil state in all of this. I don’t want that. I want the US to be the righteous country it once was. But here we are. There is no sufficient reason for NATO to exist after the dissolution of the USSR other than to continue conflict. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Actually we CAN'T do more than one thing at a time. We can't even do the things we need to do regardless of how fucked up the rest of the world is. We haven't even begun to tend to the problems of this country. But we have made more problems, of course non of it is bidens fault. Nothing will ever get solved because there is always going to be a distraction the minute it's even acknowledged that we have a problem. That makes no sense, and has nothing at all to do with Russia’s ambition to reclaim former soviet areas, and how that affects the US and Western culture in general. Reclaim former territory? Putin has been warning about NATO expansion for years and years. Yet the pro war assholes just kept on. They went too far and are now trying to blame anyone not on board with the war machine for not going all in. Fuck them. The death of Ukrainian people is their fault. Russia’s invasion is ugly but they are by far the least evil state in all of this. I don’t want that. I want the US to be the righteous country it once was. But here we are. There is no sufficient reason for NATO to exist after the dissolution of the USSR other than to continue conflict. Countries are voluntarily trying to enter NATO. Why? Russia’s expansionistic tendencies. Russia is attempting military conquest of its neighbors. Do you really not see the difference, or are you huffing paint this morning? Russia is the least evil? Never mind, you are huffing paint. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 9:54:29 AM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Some of you war mongers are determined to bring the threat of WW3 and nuclear war Bach from the grave of the Cold War. They are no longer the USSR. The commies are here now. You mean the threats of nuclear war being made by Russia? They’re the only ones in the world making such threats right now. You’re pretty much 100% wrong, and that takes a lot of work. Did you somehow miss the news that Russia is in the process of a military invasion of one of its neighbors? You’re partially right about one thing… they’re not the USSR. That was a corrupt kleptocracy pretending to be communist. The current version of Russia is a mafiya pretending to be a semi-democracy. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 9:58:34 AM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: These are both terrible strawmen arguments. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: 17 pages of some guy screaming to join his cause of the US getting involved in a war between two corrupt countries. And if you don't, you are a Russian sympathizer.  My fellow conservatives are gonna conserve the fuck out of this next 20 year war! And if you don't fly the Ukraine flag on Tik Tok and Facebook you might as well be killing helpless Europeans. These are both terrible strawmen arguments. And yet they are historically accurate. Name the last conflict the US got into and out of in just a couple of years and it turned out better because of our involvement. War is a money-making giant money laundering opportunity for politicians. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 10:03:36 AM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: lockheed martin Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: thats stupid, ukraine is not going to win no matter how many javelins we send. sending weapons only prolongs the conflict, meaning more people die. please explain how ukraine is going to defeat russia without a no-fly zone at minimum. Would you want a no-fly zone? the only one people who win are lockheed martin and the politicians who can siphon off some of the "aid" Over the long term who won our war in Afghanistan? lockheed martin Guess who the long term winner will be in the next one. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 10:04:17 AM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Russia’s invasion is ugly but they are by far the least evil state in all of this. Excuse me? Fuckin’ ADA keeping me from saying what I want to say. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 10:05:17 AM EST
[#49]
Isn't kinda amazing the amount of so called Americans here who root for China?
makes about as much sense. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 10:09:08 AM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why don't you do it if you feel so strongly about it. Now can we put away the "why don't you go to Ukraine" 'argument' Except for the fact that currently arming yourself to defend our southern border will land you in jail, VS Ukraine offering to enlist you in their service so you can "Fight the Russian bear".  |
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