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Posted: 4/20/2022 10:10:08 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Reclaim former territory? Putin has been warning about NATO expansion for years and years. Yet the pro war assholes just kept on. They went too far and are now trying to blame anyone not on board with the war machine for not going all in. Fuck them. The death of Ukrainian people is their fault. Russia’s invasion is ugly but they are by far the least evil state in all of this. I don’t want that. I want the US to be the righteous country it once was. But here we are. There is no sufficient reason for NATO to exist after the dissolution of the USSR other than to continue conflict. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Actually we CAN'T do more than one thing at a time. We can't even do the things we need to do regardless of how fucked up the rest of the world is. We haven't even begun to tend to the problems of this country. But we have made more problems, of course non of it is bidens fault. Nothing will ever get solved because there is always going to be a distraction the minute it's even acknowledged that we have a problem. That makes no sense, and has nothing at all to do with Russia’s ambition to reclaim former soviet areas, and how that affects the US and Western culture in general. Reclaim former territory? Putin has been warning about NATO expansion for years and years. Yet the pro war assholes just kept on. They went too far and are now trying to blame anyone not on board with the war machine for not going all in. Fuck them. The death of Ukrainian people is their fault. Russia’s invasion is ugly but they are by far the least evil state in all of this. I don’t want that. I want the US to be the righteous country it once was. But here we are. There is no sufficient reason for NATO to exist after the dissolution of the USSR other than to continue conflict. No sufficient reason...except for you know...their continued invasion of their neighbors, talk of genocide, and constant sabre rattling. The NATO excuse is fucking weak. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 10:11:34 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I love how Russia is simultaneously the biggest threat ever to the US and getting their asses handed to them by some wolverines in Ukraine. Which one is it boys? Should I be worried about them or are they a bunch of losers? It's not that complicated man. They are losing a lot more than anyone expected, their equipment and army is shit. Yet at the same time they have destabilized a significant part of the world, and are still capable of doing a lot of damage. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 10:14:13 AM EST
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I only hear the term “talking points” from dyed in the wool leftists. Seems to have come from the Brock/Media Matters era of ass covering for the Clinton cabal.
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Posted: 4/20/2022 10:14:57 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What is the tangible negative result for American citizens, if Russia takes Ukraine? Hunter Biden and associates can’t launder millions in bribes? Seriously. How does it affect the guy working at the local McDonalds? It doesn’t. That’s not pro Russia…it’s literally America First. Well, it wouldn't have ended with Ukraine for one. Two, personally, I am totally okay with providing weapons and training to a country that is quite literally at risk of being genocided. It doesn't effect the guy at mcdonald's, but it doesn't have to in order to justify some level of help. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 10:17:20 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Some of you war mongers are determined to bring the threat of WW3 and nuclear war Bach from the grave of the Cold War. They are no longer the USSR. The commies are here now. Interesting that WE are the war mongers, even though we do not call for direct intervention, and the Russian fascists pillaging and raping their way across Ukraine are not. Ironic coming from someone sporting the modern day swastika in his avatar. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 10:18:53 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And yet they are historically accurate. Name the last conflict the US got into and out of in just a couple of years and it turned out better because of our involvement. War is a money-making giant money laundering opportunity for politicians. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: 17 pages of some guy screaming to join his cause of the US getting involved in a war between two corrupt countries. And if you don't, you are a Russian sympathizer.  My fellow conservatives are gonna conserve the fuck out of this next 20 year war! And if you don't fly the Ukraine flag on Tik Tok and Facebook you might as well be killing helpless Europeans. These are both terrible strawmen arguments. And yet they are historically accurate. Name the last conflict the US got into and out of in just a couple of years and it turned out better because of our involvement. War is a money-making giant money laundering opportunity for politicians. Well hell, we ought to just let Russia do whatever they want then I guess right 
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Posted: 4/20/2022 10:19:36 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Except for the fact that currently arming yourself to defend our southern border will land you in jail, VS Ukraine offering to enlist you in their service so you can "Fight the Russian bear".  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Why don't you do it if you feel so strongly about it. Now can we put away the "why don't you go to Ukraine" 'argument' Except for the fact that currently arming yourself to defend our southern border will land you in jail, VS Ukraine offering to enlist you in their service so you can "Fight the Russian bear". Well I guess it's not that important to you then is it. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 10:20:34 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I only hear the term “talking points” from dyed in the wool leftists. Seems to have come from the Brock/Media Matters era of ass covering for the Clinton cabal. So now a phrase in use...forever...makes one a leftist. get better arguments. At least the guys on the previous page are making an attempt. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 10:39:08 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I always thought the cold war was about defeating communism/the bolsheviks? not the Russian people. or did that change once the bolsheviks got a foothold in this country the biggest existential threat to the US is dual citizens in govt. and the international money changers. the ones actually trying to push communism/ Talmudism on the west Quote HistoryQuoted: I always thought the cold war was about defeating communism/the bolsheviks? not the Russian people. or did that change once the bolsheviks got a foothold in this country the biggest existential threat to the US is dual citizens in govt. and the international money changers. the ones actually trying to push communism/ Talmudism on the west The cold war was about facing down a hostile, nuclear armed dictatorship that sought to expand in Europe through armed conflict. Russia's new dictator has chosen to continue down that path. International money changers? Talmudism? Better watch out, talk like that is going to lead to Putin deciding you need to be demilitarised. Quoted: Some of you war mongers are determined to bring the threat of WW3 and nuclear war Bach from the grave of the Cold War. They are no longer the USSR. The commies are here now. Someone should tell them that. 
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Posted: 4/20/2022 11:20:39 AM EST
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Posted: 4/20/2022 11:26:19 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If someone insisted that we "stop worrying about China" -what would you think of that person and their intentions? If someone insisted that we "stop worrying about the Border" -what would you think of that person and their intentions? If someone insisted that we "stop worrying about Russia" -what would you think of that person and their intentions? Keeping in mind, that "worrying about" these issues/threats is not a mutually exclusive exercise. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: baloney If someone insisted that we "stop worrying about China" -what would you think of that person and their intentions? If someone insisted that we "stop worrying about the Border" -what would you think of that person and their intentions? If someone insisted that we "stop worrying about Russia" -what would you think of that person and their intentions? Keeping in mind, that "worrying about" these issues/threats is not a mutually exclusive exercise. I use to think the US could walk and chew gum at the same time, but in the recent couple of decades I have come to conclusion we really cannot. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 11:26:28 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So now a phrase in use...forever...makes one a leftist. get better arguments. At least the guys on the previous page are making an attempt. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I only hear the term “talking points” from dyed in the wool leftists. Seems to have come from the Brock/Media Matters era of ass covering for the Clinton cabal. So now a phrase in use...forever...makes one a leftist. get better arguments. At least the guys on the previous page are making an attempt. To be fair, I was called Russophilic because I post in the AK forum. You know, the tech forum that has existed here since forever.  You are not wrong, I just wish you would call out those same ridiculous statements when it comes from a side you agree with. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 11:32:56 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: To be fair, I was called Russophilic because I post in the AK forum. You know, the tech forum that has existed here since forever. You are not wrong, I just wish you would call out those same ridiculous statements when it comes from a side you agree with. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I only hear the term “talking points” from dyed in the wool leftists. Seems to have come from the Brock/Media Matters era of ass covering for the Clinton cabal. So now a phrase in use...forever...makes one a leftist. get better arguments. At least the guys on the previous page are making an attempt. To be fair, I was called Russophilic because I post in the AK forum. You know, the tech forum that has existed here since forever. You are not wrong, I just wish you would call out those same ridiculous statements when it comes from a side you agree with. Yes you were. By me. And everything you've posted since suddenly becoming interested in such prolific GD posting backs that up. Enjoy your trash can guns comrade. 
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Posted: 4/20/2022 11:40:49 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: To be fair, I was called Russophilic because I post in the AK forum. You know, the tech forum that has existed here since forever. You are not wrong, I just wish you would call out those same ridiculous statements when it comes from a side you agree with. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I only hear the term “talking points” from dyed in the wool leftists. Seems to have come from the Brock/Media Matters era of ass covering for the Clinton cabal. So now a phrase in use...forever...makes one a leftist. get better arguments. At least the guys on the previous page are making an attempt. To be fair, I was called Russophilic because I post in the AK forum. You know, the tech forum that has existed here since forever. You are not wrong, I just wish you would call out those same ridiculous statements when it comes from a side you agree with. Again, if anything I should be biased towards Russia. If you know my posting history you would know that I have called out many ridiculous posts from people concerning Russia that have never even been there. Hell, check out my serious post in the "what does Russia do well" thread. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 11:49:03 AM EST
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So-called?
You mean americans. They are so-called. If Putin was at war with our Progressives, you think Putin is the bad guy? |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 11:50:27 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: /Tyranny at home is a greater threat than tyranny abroad. I don't give two shits about "killing the Russian bear", I give two shits about the statist fucks trying to kill my way of life. This. Our problems in order are; 1. Commie scum stealing our government 2. Chinese commie scum 3. World elitist globalist commie scum. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 11:51:21 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They aren’t rooting for Russia. They’re just against whatever the Democrats are doing. ?? So true |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 12:16:22 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No sufficient reason...except for you know...their continued invasion of their neighbors, talk of genocide, and constant sabre rattling. The NATO excuse is fucking weak. Quote HistoryQuoted: No sufficient reason...except for you know...their continued invasion of their neighbors, talk of genocide, and constant sabre rattling. The NATO excuse is fucking weak. Putin has been warning for decades if only people would pay attention. Quoted: Interesting that WE are the war mongers, even though we do not call for direct intervention, and the Russian fascists pillaging and raping their way across Ukraine are not. Ironic coming from someone sporting the modern day swastika in his avatar. I try to hear Bruce Campbell in your posts but you sound more like Dr. Phil lately. War is hell. Especially with like a century of rivalry and retribution. Just another reason we shouldn’t be there. At least recognize the reputation of the MSM on every single issue until now. Please try not to let them manipulate you. Don’t let yourself be triggered so easily by symbols. I’m mostly trying to counter the MSM push you seem to accept so readily.  Failed To Load Title It’s odd how often the number 33 comes up in these reports. I’ve heard it close to ten times in the last month. What’s that about? Biden wants regime change. Has said so for years. He won’t stop and cannot even finish a sentence. The dude molested his own daughter. He certainly doesn’t give a shit about anyone else. Putin is rightfully concerned about having NATO on his border. Given our history with Cuba it’s hypocritical to pretend we would be any different. Would he continue to try to grab territory? Maybe but I doubt it. Even with CIA goading I don’t think he wants that. Maybe in another twenty years. He’s holding up about as well as Trump so it could happen. We need cooler heads to prevail and negotiate this thing now. I miss Trump. This never would have happened with him. He probably would have bombed Putin’s house.  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 12:18:02 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This. Our problems in order are; 1. Commie scum stealing our government 2. Chinese commie scum 3. World elitist globalist commie scum. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: /Tyranny at home is a greater threat than tyranny abroad. I don't give two shits about "killing the Russian bear", I give two shits about the statist fucks trying to kill my way of life. This. Our problems in order are; 1. Commie scum stealing our government 2. Chinese commie scum 3. World elitist globalist commie scum. Preach it brothers! |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 12:26:10 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Putin has been warning for decades if only people would pay attention. I try to hear Bruce Campbell in your posts but you sound more like Dr. Phil lately. War is hell. Especially with like a century of rivalry and retribution. Just another reason we shouldn’t be there. At least recognize the reputation of the MSM on every single issue until now. Please try not to let them manipulate you. Don’t let yourself be triggered so easily by symbols. I’m mostly trying to counter the MSM push you seem to accept so readily.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDGi6-nEeFIIt’s odd how often the number 33 comes up in these reports. I’ve heard it close to ten times in the last month. What’s that about? Biden wants regime change. Has said so for years. He won’t stop and cannot even finish a sentence. The dude molested his own daughter. He certainly doesn’t give a shit about anyone else. Putin is rightfully concerned about having NATO on his border. Given our history with Cuba it’s hypocritical to pretend we would be any different. Would he continue to try to grab territory? Maybe but I doubt it. Even with CIA goading I don’t think he wants that. Maybe in another twenty years. He’s holding up about as well as Trump so it could happen. We need cooler heads to prevail and negotiate this thing now. I miss Trump. This never would have happened with him. He probably would have bombed Putin’s house. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/36504/9F71514E-BCEC-4C7E-AA71-9A83A887BB54_jpe-2355665.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: No sufficient reason...except for you know...their continued invasion of their neighbors, talk of genocide, and constant sabre rattling. The NATO excuse is fucking weak. Putin has been warning for decades if only people would pay attention. Quoted: Interesting that WE are the war mongers, even though we do not call for direct intervention, and the Russian fascists pillaging and raping their way across Ukraine are not. Ironic coming from someone sporting the modern day swastika in his avatar. I try to hear Bruce Campbell in your posts but you sound more like Dr. Phil lately. War is hell. Especially with like a century of rivalry and retribution. Just another reason we shouldn’t be there. At least recognize the reputation of the MSM on every single issue until now. Please try not to let them manipulate you. Don’t let yourself be triggered so easily by symbols. I’m mostly trying to counter the MSM push you seem to accept so readily. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDGi6-nEeFIIt’s odd how often the number 33 comes up in these reports. I’ve heard it close to ten times in the last month. What’s that about? Biden wants regime change. Has said so for years. He won’t stop and cannot even finish a sentence. The dude molested his own daughter. He certainly doesn’t give a shit about anyone else. Putin is rightfully concerned about having NATO on his border. Given our history with Cuba it’s hypocritical to pretend we would be any different. Would he continue to try to grab territory? Maybe but I doubt it. Even with CIA goading I don’t think he wants that. Maybe in another twenty years. He’s holding up about as well as Trump so it could happen. We need cooler heads to prevail and negotiate this thing now. I miss Trump. This never would have happened with him. He probably would have bombed Putin’s house. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/36504/9F71514E-BCEC-4C7E-AA71-9A83A887BB54_jpe-2355665.JPG Putin has been using it as an excuse for decades yes. The fact remains though that until Feb, NATO was nutless and gutless, the shadow of NATO only even ever existed to COUNTER Russian aggression. Without Russian aggression NATO would have continued to atrophy and been even more useless than it already was. Now it's building back up, adding members, and preparing for further war as a DIRECT result of Putin's actions. These are indisputable facts. Putins likes to use it as an excuse, because on the surface it seems reasonable. However if you think about it for more than 5 seconds (and recall that UKR had been denied membership and ISN'T QUALIFIED FOR MEMBERSHIP ANYWAY) you will understand that it's just more of Putin's lies. He is NOT rightly concerned about it, he's a liar, and you bought his shit. Had Putin acted like a civilized person NATO would have become absolutely irrelevant. MSM doesn't even enter into the equation, you can see the evidence of Bucha from OSINT. If you choose to look into it, it's easy to see. I will however point out the blatant hypocrisy of someone who will not believe the MSM even with a plethora of backing evidence, but will happily post a video literally from Russian state media. What a joke. I won't even comment on 33, it's stupid and irrelevant. I agree Biden is a fool, but that's not the topic. What's there to negotiate? Russia has invaded a sovereign country, and they need to GTFO or pay the price. UKR should not give up an inch of land. Would you? As far as symbols, I'm not triggered but symbols by definition symbolize things. You have chosen to sport the symbol of an invading army that is murdering, raping, pillaging, and literally committing genocide. Don't be surprised when people point out how disgusting it is. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 1:11:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Putin has been using it as an excuse for decades yes. The fact remains though that until Feb, NATO was nutless and gutless, the shadow of NATO only even ever existed to COUNTER Russian aggression. Without Russian aggression NATO would have continued to atrophy and been even more useless than it already was. Now it's building back up, adding members, and preparing for further war as a DIRECT result of Putin's actions. These are indisputable facts. Putins likes to use it as an excuse, because on the surface it seems reasonable. However if you think about it for more than 5 seconds (and recall that UKR had been denied membership and ISN'T QUALIFIED FOR MEMBERSHIP ANYWAY) you will understand that it's just more of Putin's lies. He is NOT rightly concerned about it, he's a liar, and you bought his shit. Had Putin acted like a civilized person NATO would have become absolutely irrelevant. MSM doesn't even enter into the equation, you can see the evidence of Bucha from OSINT. If you choose to look into it, it's easy to see. I will however point out the blatant hypocrisy of someone who will not believe the MSM even with a plethora of backing evidence, but will happily post a video literally from Russian state media. What a joke. I won't even comment on 33, it's stupid and irrelevant. I agree Biden is a fool, but that's not the topic. What's there to negotiate? Russia has invaded a sovereign country, and they need to GTFO or pay the price. UKR should not give up an inch of land. Would you? As far as symbols, I'm not triggered but symbols by definition symbolize things. You have chosen to sport the symbol of an invading army that is murdering, raping, pillaging, and literally committing genocide. Don't be surprised when people point out how disgusting it is. NATO has the ability to track everything moving and likely every form of communication and report it to Ukrainian forces. They also have a shit ton of stale javelins and other weapons to hand out. Also the backing of a multiple nuclear powers. It’s hard to imagine any way in which NATO could be more powerful. Finland has good reason to hate Russia. But that is in the past. We need to move on. I’ve heard the report of a Ukrainian politician calling for genocide of ethnic Russians. It’s a thing but since I don’t speak the language it didn’t mean a whole lot to me. Everyone is hyperbolic and context matters. No doubt both sides have fringe elements and psychos. MSM always matters because people are stupid and decreasingly thought critical thought. They painted Bucha as unquestionably a Russian war crime so of course it’s suspect. The lack of decomposition or animal predation and fact that the bodies were wearing white armbands indicating they were Russian sympathizers is telling. Some had been bound with their armbands. It looks much more likely they were killed by Ukrainian forces as retribution and a photo op. It merits impartial investigation before assigning blame. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 1:19:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: NATO has the ability to track everything moving and likely every form of communication and report it to Ukrainian forces. They also have a shit ton of stale javelins and other weapons to hand out. Also the backing of a multiple nuclear powers. It’s hard to imagine any way in which NATO could be more powerful. ... Do you know how Russia could keep their forces safe from NATO tracking and Javelins handed out to Ukraine? By staying in their own fucking country. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 1:28:10 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you know how Russia could keep their forces safe from NATO tracking and Javelins handed out to Ukraine? By staying in their own fucking country. Hypocrisy and double standards much? |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 1:32:24 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So now a phrase in use...forever...makes one a leftist. get better arguments. At least the guys on the previous page are making an attempt. Lol. None of my “talking points” originated in Russia. You just want to broad brush everyone. Why don’t you just own the fact thst the Ukraine “crisis” was generated to suck that dumbass gangster Putin into Ukraine in the first place…or does that fact bother you? Does it minimize the self righteousness? I mean you’re gung ho and the Atlantic Council and GD’s favorite, Bellingcat, both say Azov never “depoliticized” so own the use of “Nazis” too. C’mon man!! The ends justifies the means , amiright?!? |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 1:34:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I use to think the US could walk and chew gum at the same time, but in the recent couple of decades I have come to conclusion we really cannot. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: baloney If someone insisted that we "stop worrying about China" -what would you think of that person and their intentions? If someone insisted that we "stop worrying about the Border" -what would you think of that person and their intentions? If someone insisted that we "stop worrying about Russia" -what would you think of that person and their intentions? Keeping in mind, that "worrying about" these issues/threats is not a mutually exclusive exercise. I use to think the US could walk and chew gum at the same time, but in the recent couple of decades I have come to conclusion we really cannot. Agreed, but our dedicated "gum-chewers" should do the gum chewing, and our dedicated "walkers" should do the walking. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 1:52:31 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, it wouldn't have ended with Ukraine for one. Two, personally, I am totally okay with providing weapons and training to a country that is quite literally at risk of being genocided. It doesn't effect the guy at mcdonald's, but it doesn't have to in order to justify some level of help. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What is the tangible negative result for American citizens, if Russia takes Ukraine? Hunter Biden and associates can’t launder millions in bribes? Seriously. How does it affect the guy working at the local McDonalds? It doesn’t. That’s not pro Russia…it’s literally America First. Well, it wouldn't have ended with Ukraine for one. Two, personally, I am totally okay with providing weapons and training to a country that is quite literally at risk of being genocided. It doesn't effect the guy at mcdonald's, but it doesn't have to in order to justify some level of help. Apply that standard globally. Wanna go visit Rwanda? Maybe we should step in when Ethiopia and Eretria go at it again? How about the CAR and the never ending purges...it's a literal genocide. What's the difference now? Why now and not then? Maybe we can add Tibet and what the Chinese did/are doing there? Wanna go toe to toe with the Chinese? You can't claim an ethical standard and then selectively apply it. We let genocide happen regularly and do nothing...so why are we all fired up about this one? Could there be other reasons...gee...what else happens in that specific country... 
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Posted: 4/20/2022 2:00:51 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You can't claim an ethical standard and then selectively apply it. Why not? You just have to draft that standard in a way that is very specific. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 2:02:43 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes you were. By me. And everything you've posted since suddenly becoming interested in such prolific GD posting backs that up. Enjoy your trash can guns comrade. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I only hear the term “talking points” from dyed in the wool leftists. Seems to have come from the Brock/Media Matters era of ass covering for the Clinton cabal. So now a phrase in use...forever...makes one a leftist. get better arguments. At least the guys on the previous page are making an attempt. To be fair, I was called Russophilic because I post in the AK forum. You know, the tech forum that has existed here since forever. You are not wrong, I just wish you would call out those same ridiculous statements when it comes from a side you agree with. Yes you were. By me. And everything you've posted since suddenly becoming interested in such prolific GD posting backs that up. Enjoy your trash can guns comrade. Let’s not go overboard. Good guys are using AKs as well. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 2:07:32 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: NATO has the ability to track everything moving and likely every form of communication and report it to Ukrainian forces. They also have a shit ton of stale javelins and other weapons to hand out. Also the backing of a multiple nuclear powers. It’s hard to imagine any way in which NATO could be more powerful. Finland has good reason to hate Russia. But that is in the past. We need to move on. I’ve heard the report of a Ukrainian politician calling for genocide of ethnic Russians. It’s a thing but since I don’t speak the language it didn’t mean a whole lot to me. Everyone is hyperbolic and context matters. No doubt both sides have fringe elements and psychos. MSM always matters because people are stupid and decreasingly thought critical thought. They painted Bucha as unquestionably a Russian war crime so of course it’s suspect. The lack of decomposition or animal predation and fact that the bodies were wearing white armbands indicating they were Russian sympathizers is telling. Some had been bound with their armbands. It looks much more likely they were killed by Ukrainian forces as retribution and a photo op. It merits impartial investigation before assigning blame. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Putin has been using it as an excuse for decades yes. The fact remains though that until Feb, NATO was nutless and gutless, the shadow of NATO only even ever existed to COUNTER Russian aggression. Without Russian aggression NATO would have continued to atrophy and been even more useless than it already was. Now it's building back up, adding members, and preparing for further war as a DIRECT result of Putin's actions. These are indisputable facts. Putins likes to use it as an excuse, because on the surface it seems reasonable. However if you think about it for more than 5 seconds (and recall that UKR had been denied membership and ISN'T QUALIFIED FOR MEMBERSHIP ANYWAY) you will understand that it's just more of Putin's lies. He is NOT rightly concerned about it, he's a liar, and you bought his shit. Had Putin acted like a civilized person NATO would have become absolutely irrelevant. MSM doesn't even enter into the equation, you can see the evidence of Bucha from OSINT. If you choose to look into it, it's easy to see. I will however point out the blatant hypocrisy of someone who will not believe the MSM even with a plethora of backing evidence, but will happily post a video literally from Russian state media. What a joke. I won't even comment on 33, it's stupid and irrelevant. I agree Biden is a fool, but that's not the topic. What's there to negotiate? Russia has invaded a sovereign country, and they need to GTFO or pay the price. UKR should not give up an inch of land. Would you? As far as symbols, I'm not triggered but symbols by definition symbolize things. You have chosen to sport the symbol of an invading army that is murdering, raping, pillaging, and literally committing genocide. Don't be surprised when people point out how disgusting it is. NATO has the ability to track everything moving and likely every form of communication and report it to Ukrainian forces. They also have a shit ton of stale javelins and other weapons to hand out. Also the backing of a multiple nuclear powers. It’s hard to imagine any way in which NATO could be more powerful. Finland has good reason to hate Russia. But that is in the past. We need to move on. I’ve heard the report of a Ukrainian politician calling for genocide of ethnic Russians. It’s a thing but since I don’t speak the language it didn’t mean a whole lot to me. Everyone is hyperbolic and context matters. No doubt both sides have fringe elements and psychos. MSM always matters because people are stupid and decreasingly thought critical thought. They painted Bucha as unquestionably a Russian war crime so of course it’s suspect. The lack of decomposition or animal predation and fact that the bodies were wearing white armbands indicating they were Russian sympathizers is telling. Some had been bound with their armbands. It looks much more likely they were killed by Ukrainian forces as retribution and a photo op. It merits impartial investigation before assigning blame. Rus for location and Z for avatar. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 2:09:14 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: NATO has the ability to track everything moving and likely every form of communication and report it to Ukrainian forces. They also have a shit ton of stale javelins and other weapons to hand out. Also the backing of a multiple nuclear powers. It’s hard to imagine any way in which NATO could be more powerful. Finland has good reason to hate Russia. But that is in the past. We need to move on. I’ve heard the report of a Ukrainian politician calling for genocide of ethnic Russians. It’s a thing but since I don’t speak the language it didn’t mean a whole lot to me. Everyone is hyperbolic and context matters. No doubt both sides have fringe elements and psychos. MSM always matters because people are stupid and decreasingly thought critical thought. They painted Bucha as unquestionably a Russian war crime so of course it’s suspect. The lack of decomposition or animal predation and fact that the bodies were wearing white armbands indicating they were Russian sympathizers is telling. Some had been bound with their armbands. It looks much more likely they were killed by Ukrainian forces as retribution and a photo op. It merits impartial investigation before assigning blame. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Putin has been using it as an excuse for decades yes. The fact remains though that until Feb, NATO was nutless and gutless, the shadow of NATO only even ever existed to COUNTER Russian aggression. Without Russian aggression NATO would have continued to atrophy and been even more useless than it already was. Now it's building back up, adding members, and preparing for further war as a DIRECT result of Putin's actions. These are indisputable facts. Putins likes to use it as an excuse, because on the surface it seems reasonable. However if you think about it for more than 5 seconds (and recall that UKR had been denied membership and ISN'T QUALIFIED FOR MEMBERSHIP ANYWAY) you will understand that it's just more of Putin's lies. He is NOT rightly concerned about it, he's a liar, and you bought his shit. Had Putin acted like a civilized person NATO would have become absolutely irrelevant. MSM doesn't even enter into the equation, you can see the evidence of Bucha from OSINT. If you choose to look into it, it's easy to see. I will however point out the blatant hypocrisy of someone who will not believe the MSM even with a plethora of backing evidence, but will happily post a video literally from Russian state media. What a joke. I won't even comment on 33, it's stupid and irrelevant. I agree Biden is a fool, but that's not the topic. What's there to negotiate? Russia has invaded a sovereign country, and they need to GTFO or pay the price. UKR should not give up an inch of land. Would you? As far as symbols, I'm not triggered but symbols by definition symbolize things. You have chosen to sport the symbol of an invading army that is murdering, raping, pillaging, and literally committing genocide. Don't be surprised when people point out how disgusting it is. NATO has the ability to track everything moving and likely every form of communication and report it to Ukrainian forces. They also have a shit ton of stale javelins and other weapons to hand out. Also the backing of a multiple nuclear powers. It’s hard to imagine any way in which NATO could be more powerful. Finland has good reason to hate Russia. But that is in the past. We need to move on. I’ve heard the report of a Ukrainian politician calling for genocide of ethnic Russians. It’s a thing but since I don’t speak the language it didn’t mean a whole lot to me. Everyone is hyperbolic and context matters. No doubt both sides have fringe elements and psychos. MSM always matters because people are stupid and decreasingly thought critical thought. They painted Bucha as unquestionably a Russian war crime so of course it’s suspect. The lack of decomposition or animal predation and fact that the bodies were wearing white armbands indicating they were Russian sympathizers is telling. Some had been bound with their armbands. It looks much more likely they were killed by Ukrainian forces as retribution and a photo op. It merits impartial investigation before assigning blame. They were weak and underfunded. Putin has now made them strong again (soon to be anyway). He had nothing to fear from NATO as long as he wasn't aggressive. There's no report of what you're talking about from anywhere but Russian state controlled media. If you look at the actual info from the ground you'd know the bodies were piled while Russians were in control of the area, there is literally no way it was done by UKR. Fringe elements and psychos? Yes, except for the fact it's only one side invading and attempting to commit genocide. If Russia put things in the past like you want, they wouldn't have invaded.  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 2:09:53 PM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Hypocrisy and double standards much? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Do you know how Russia could keep their forces safe from NATO tracking and Javelins handed out to Ukraine? By staying in their own fucking country. Hypocrisy and double standards much? Who is the US trying to annex? |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 2:11:01 PM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol. None of my “talking points” originated in Russia. You just want to broad brush everyone. Why don’t you just own the fact thst the Ukraine “crisis” was generated to suck that dumbass gangster Putin into Ukraine in the first place…or does that fact bother you? Does it minimize the self righteousness? I mean you’re gung ho and the Atlantic Council and GD’s favorite, Bellingcat, both say Azov never “depoliticized” so own the use of “Nazis” too. C’mon man!! The ends justifies the means , amiright?!? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So now a phrase in use...forever...makes one a leftist. get better arguments. At least the guys on the previous page are making an attempt. Lol. None of my “talking points” originated in Russia. You just want to broad brush everyone. Why don’t you just own the fact thst the Ukraine “crisis” was generated to suck that dumbass gangster Putin into Ukraine in the first place…or does that fact bother you? Does it minimize the self righteousness? I mean you’re gung ho and the Atlantic Council and GD’s favorite, Bellingcat, both say Azov never “depoliticized” so own the use of “Nazis” too. C’mon man!! The ends justifies the means , amiright?!? It doesn't bother me because it's not a fact, it's quite literally a Russian talking point that this is all the west's fault, as is your bullshit about nazis. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 2:11:19 PM EST
[#33]
Honestly, I think some of you have generational grudges against both Americans and Russians because it's the only thing that reasonably explains these stupid Trostkyite brained world revolution ideas.
Quote HistoryMaster_Shake: You're right. The world should just let Russia's aggression in Europe go unchecked. The threat of WW3 and nuclear war with Russia never went away. Until Putin is gone it won't go away. Quote HistoryMaster_Shake: You're right. The world should just let Russia's aggression in Europe go unchecked. The threat of WW3 and nuclear war with Russia never went away. Until Putin is gone it won't go away. Cincinnatus: If someone insisted that we "stop worrying about China" -what would you think of that person and their intentions? If someone insisted that we "stop worrying about the Border" -what would you think of that person and their intentions? If someone insisted that we "stop worrying about Russia" -what would you think of that person and their intentions? Keeping in mind, that "worrying about" these issues/threats is not a mutually exclusive exercise. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 2:14:13 PM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Apply that standard globally. Wanna go visit Rwanda? Maybe we should step in when Ethiopia and Eretria go at it again? How about the CAR and the never ending purges...it's a literal genocide. What's the difference now? Why now and not then? Maybe we can add Tibet and what the Chinese did/are doing there? Wanna go toe to toe with the Chinese? You can't claim an ethical standard and then selectively apply it. We let genocide happen regularly and do nothing...so why are we all fired up about this one? Could there be other reasons...gee...what else happens in that specific country... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: What is the tangible negative result for American citizens, if Russia takes Ukraine? Hunter Biden and associates can’t launder millions in bribes? Seriously. How does it affect the guy working at the local McDonalds? It doesn’t. That’s not pro Russia…it’s literally America First. Well, it wouldn't have ended with Ukraine for one. Two, personally, I am totally okay with providing weapons and training to a country that is quite literally at risk of being genocided. It doesn't effect the guy at mcdonald's, but it doesn't have to in order to justify some level of help. Apply that standard globally. Wanna go visit Rwanda? Maybe we should step in when Ethiopia and Eretria go at it again? How about the CAR and the never ending purges...it's a literal genocide. What's the difference now? Why now and not then? Maybe we can add Tibet and what the Chinese did/are doing there? Wanna go toe to toe with the Chinese? You can't claim an ethical standard and then selectively apply it. We let genocide happen regularly and do nothing...so why are we all fired up about this one? Could there be other reasons...gee...what else happens in that specific country... A civil war within a country in africa is a lot different than an unjustified invasion in Europe. Not an apples to apples comparison. Further, Rwandan forces never had their eyes on neighbors, and never threatened dropping nukes on everyone if they didn't get their way. Don't get me wrong, it's a tragedy, but it's not the same scenario. What else is in Ukraine? Please be specific and provide sources. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 2:14:57 PM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Don’t let yourself be triggered so easily by symbols. I’m mostly trying to counter the MSM push you seem to accept so readily. No you aren’t. You are getting your rocks off trolling in support of the eradication of the Ukrainian identity because you have nothing else going for you. Don’t try to spin your childish behavior as some noble quest against the MSM. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 2:16:05 PM EST
[#36]
Quote Historyryder6908: maybe you guys should be watching our border.... Cincinnatus: There goes those Russian talking points again! lol Russia and China are threats. People coming across our borders are threats. Everyone has a role in focusing on these threats. Anyone who insists we ignore ANY of these threats in favor of the other is probably in the tank for the one they want us to ignore. The Democrats and the Left want us to ignore the border, because they want that threat to defeat us. YOU want us to ignore Russia… Yeremyahu: baloney Cincinnatus: If someone insisted that we "stop worrying about China" -what would you think of that person and their intentions? If someone insisted that we "stop worrying about the Border" -what would you think of that person and their intentions? If someone insisted that we "stop worrying about Russia" -what would you think of that person and their intentions? Keeping in mind, that "worrying about" these issues/threats is not a mutually exclusive exercise. The Clinton Administration orchestrated the Harvard Boys' - Jeffrey Sachs, Andrei Shleifer, Lawrence Summers, and David Lipton - attack on the Russian economy. The Harvard Management Company and George Soros were the only outsiders allowed to bid in the "loans for shares" auction of national industries and properties. They destroyed the Russian economy by pushing "shock therapy", propped up Yeltsin, gave rise to the Oligarchs, and brought on Putin thinking he would be a pliable replacement of Yeltsin. When Putin didn't work out Soros orchestrated revolutions in Georgia and Ukraine to contain Russia and monopolize their gas trade into Europe through stooges like Tymoshenko. You're carrying water for people mad that the Russians won't consent to being plundered by foreigners - that's all this is about. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 2:18:03 PM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Who is the US trying to annex? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Do you know how Russia could keep their forces safe from NATO tracking and Javelins handed out to Ukraine? By staying in their own fucking country. Hypocrisy and double standards much? Who is the US trying to annex? Follow on questions: Who did the US commit genocide against? Who did the US threaten to nuke? What country did the US deliberately target civilian centers of? For the first question you may say something like the Native Americans, to which I would answer that it was a dark point in our history and not something to be proud of. To the second, you might say Japan I guess, but I hope you understand the difference (pls don't make me explain it) To the third you may point out WWII which was a time before precision munitions, and against an aggressor nation. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 2:18:34 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Blah blah blah. You raise issues with your rhetoric that you have absolutely no concern about but know will confound normal people. Quote HistoryQuoted: Cincinnatus: If someone insisted that we "stop worrying about China" -what would you think of that person and their intentions? If someone insisted that we "stop worrying about the Border" -what would you think of that person and their intentions? If someone insisted that we "stop worrying about Russia" -what would you think of that person and their intentions? Keeping in mind, that "worrying about" these issues/threats is not a mutually exclusive exercise. If I had to guess you are also mad that the Russians stepped in to prevent Syria from being overrun. Russia did not "step in to prevent Syria from being overrun." They stepped in to secure access to a warm water port. They merely pretended to conduct counter-terrorism operations. They were as clumsy and stupid THERE as they are in Ukraine. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 2:19:58 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Who is the US trying to annex? How many countries has the US invaded in the last 50 years? |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 2:22:03 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How many countries has the US invaded in the last 50 years? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Who is the US trying to annex? How many countries has the US invaded in the last 50 years? None that were comparable to what Russia is doing right now, despite the fact that many of those wars shouldn't have happened. Why are you trying to excuse Russian behavior by pointing out (less) bad behavior by the US? |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 2:23:40 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No you aren’t. You are getting your rocks off trolling in support of the eradication of the Ukrainian identity because you have nothing else going for you. Don’t try to spin your childish behavior as some noble quest against the MSM. Wrong. I feel badly for the people in Ukraine or anywhere else they are suffering under authoritarian or illegitimate rule. It’s those rulers that are the problem. MSM is just a collaborator. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 2:25:33 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How many countries has the US invaded in the last 50 years? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Who is the US trying to annex? How many countries has the US invaded in the last 50 years? We merely conducted special operations to assist the locals in the "denazification" of a few places. That's cool, right? |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 2:28:22 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wrong. I feel badly for the people in Ukraine or anywhere else they are suffering under authoritarian or illegitimate rule. It’s those rulers that are the problem. MSM is just a collaborator. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: No you aren’t. You are getting your rocks off trolling in support of the eradication of the Ukrainian identity because you have nothing else going for you. Don’t try to spin your childish behavior as some noble quest against the MSM. Wrong. I feel badly for the people in Ukraine or anywhere else they are suffering under authoritarian or illegitimate rule. It’s those rulers that are the problem. MSM is just a collaborator. No you don’t. You don’t give two fucks about any of the innocent people in this war. If you did you might argue partial culpability of the west, but you sure as fuck wouldn’t be proudly sporting your Z avatar. “I feel bad for people under authoritarian rule, but I’m going to take the position that Russia is the lesser evil even though this is just a continuation of their desire to extinguish the idea of being Ukrainian.” That’s dumber than the shit that comes out of Kamala. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 2:30:35 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A civil war within a country in africa is a lot different than an unjustified invasion in Europe. Not an apples to apples comparison. Further, Rwandan forces never had their eyes on neighbors, and never threatened dropping nukes on everyone if they didn't get their way. Don't get me wrong, it's a tragedy, but it's not the same scenario. What else is in Ukraine? Please be specific and provide sources. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: What is the tangible negative result for American citizens, if Russia takes Ukraine? Hunter Biden and associates can’t launder millions in bribes? Seriously. How does it affect the guy working at the local McDonalds? It doesn’t. That’s not pro Russia…it’s literally America First. Well, it wouldn't have ended with Ukraine for one. Two, personally, I am totally okay with providing weapons and training to a country that is quite literally at risk of being genocided. It doesn't effect the guy at mcdonald's, but it doesn't have to in order to justify some level of help. Apply that standard globally. Wanna go visit Rwanda? Maybe we should step in when Ethiopia and Eretria go at it again? How about the CAR and the never ending purges...it's a literal genocide. What's the difference now? Why now and not then? Maybe we can add Tibet and what the Chinese did/are doing there? Wanna go toe to toe with the Chinese? You can't claim an ethical standard and then selectively apply it. We let genocide happen regularly and do nothing...so why are we all fired up about this one? Could there be other reasons...gee...what else happens in that specific country... A civil war within a country in africa is a lot different than an unjustified invasion in Europe. Not an apples to apples comparison. Further, Rwandan forces never had their eyes on neighbors, and never threatened dropping nukes on everyone if they didn't get their way. Don't get me wrong, it's a tragedy, but it's not the same scenario. What else is in Ukraine? Please be specific and provide sources. It's clear that you don't care about stopping genocide where it exists, just this instance of it. So be honest and just state that the Ukrainian genocide is the perfect reason to make some geopolitical changes. This is objectively the best reason the US has had in years, to knock Russia to the dirt and I fully support doing so. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 2:31:12 PM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A civil war within a country in africa is a lot different than an unjustified invasion in Europe. Not an apples to apples comparison. Further, Rwandan forces never had their eyes on neighbors, and never threatened dropping nukes on everyone if they didn't get their way. Don't get me wrong, it's a tragedy, but it's not the same scenario. What else is in Ukraine? Please be specific and provide sources. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: What is the tangible negative result for American citizens, if Russia takes Ukraine? Hunter Biden and associates can’t launder millions in bribes? Seriously. How does it affect the guy working at the local McDonalds? It doesn’t. That’s not pro Russia…it’s literally America First. Well, it wouldn't have ended with Ukraine for one. Two, personally, I am totally okay with providing weapons and training to a country that is quite literally at risk of being genocided. It doesn't effect the guy at mcdonald's, but it doesn't have to in order to justify some level of help. Apply that standard globally. Wanna go visit Rwanda? Maybe we should step in when Ethiopia and Eretria go at it again? How about the CAR and the never ending purges...it's a literal genocide. What's the difference now? Why now and not then? Maybe we can add Tibet and what the Chinese did/are doing there? Wanna go toe to toe with the Chinese? You can't claim an ethical standard and then selectively apply it. We let genocide happen regularly and do nothing...so why are we all fired up about this one? Could there be other reasons...gee...what else happens in that specific country... A civil war within a country in africa is a lot different than an unjustified invasion in Europe. Not an apples to apples comparison. Further, Rwandan forces never had their eyes on neighbors, and never threatened dropping nukes on everyone if they didn't get their way. Don't get me wrong, it's a tragedy, but it's not the same scenario. What else is in Ukraine? Please be specific and provide sources. Ukraine is a corrupt quasi oligarchy that laundered money for US political groups and foreign powers. It is one of the most corrupt places on earth. This has not changed from then to now. Not once, has anyone in this thread identified a US National Interest in us fighting Russia for Ukraine. My standard is as stated above- Tell the guy working at McDonalds, why US tax money and manpower should go to Ukraine and not to anywhere else on the planet including domestic spending. Explain how that guy's taxes should be spent in Ukraine and exactly what will happen to him if we don't do it. Nothing...his life will not change by us staying home. We can feel bad about someone's country being invaded without that meaning we have to jump into the middle of the conflict. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 2:32:13 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's clear that you don't care about stopping genocide where it exists, just this instance of it. So be honest and just state that the Ukrainian genocide is the perfect reason to make some geopolitical changes. This is objectively the best reason the US has had in years, to knock Russia to the dirt and I fully support doing so. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: What is the tangible negative result for American citizens, if Russia takes Ukraine? Hunter Biden and associates can’t launder millions in bribes? Seriously. How does it affect the guy working at the local McDonalds? It doesn’t. That’s not pro Russia…it’s literally America First. Well, it wouldn't have ended with Ukraine for one. Two, personally, I am totally okay with providing weapons and training to a country that is quite literally at risk of being genocided. It doesn't effect the guy at mcdonald's, but it doesn't have to in order to justify some level of help. Apply that standard globally. Wanna go visit Rwanda? Maybe we should step in when Ethiopia and Eretria go at it again? How about the CAR and the never ending purges...it's a literal genocide. What's the difference now? Why now and not then? Maybe we can add Tibet and what the Chinese did/are doing there? Wanna go toe to toe with the Chinese? You can't claim an ethical standard and then selectively apply it. We let genocide happen regularly and do nothing...so why are we all fired up about this one? Could there be other reasons...gee...what else happens in that specific country... A civil war within a country in africa is a lot different than an unjustified invasion in Europe. Not an apples to apples comparison. Further, Rwandan forces never had their eyes on neighbors, and never threatened dropping nukes on everyone if they didn't get their way. Don't get me wrong, it's a tragedy, but it's not the same scenario. What else is in Ukraine? Please be specific and provide sources. It's clear that you don't care about stopping genocide where it exists, just this instance of it. So be honest and just state that the Ukrainian genocide is the perfect reason to make some geopolitical changes. This is objectively the best reason the US has had in years, to knock Russia to the dirt and I fully support doing so. Sorry if you don't understand the differences in the situations as I explained already. I do agree it's a great time to knock a bully down a few pegs though...but the Rwanda genocide is not the same scenario. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 2:33:01 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: None that were comparable to what Russia is doing right now, despite the fact that many of those wars shouldn't have happened. Why are you trying to excuse Russian behavior by pointing out (less) bad behavior by the US? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Who is the US trying to annex? How many countries has the US invaded in the last 50 years? None that were comparable to what Russia is doing right now, despite the fact that many of those wars shouldn't have happened. Why are you trying to excuse Russian behavior by pointing out (less) bad behavior by the US? Our actions directly lead to the death of more than a million people in the Middle East since 9/11. There is no moral authority here. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 2:35:08 PM EST
[#48]
Appears the media darling is on the team that wants us all eating bugs if we survive the depopulation phase? Just like Obama was the best gun salesman, Pooty is getting commies killed at an alarming rate. You said rape twice.
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Posted: 4/20/2022 2:35:23 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ukraine is a corrupt quasi oligarchy that laundered money for US political groups and foreign powers. It is one of the most corrupt places on earth. This has not changed from then to now. Not once, has anyone in this thread identified a US National Interest in us fighting Russia for Ukraine. My standard is as stated above- Tell the guy working at McDonalds, why US tax money and manpower should go to Ukraine and not to anywhere else on the planet including domestic spending. Explain how that guy's taxes should be spent in Ukraine and exactly what will happen to him if we don't do it. Nothing...his life will not change by us staying home. We can feel bad about someone's country being invaded without that meaning we have to jump into the middle of the conflict. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: What is the tangible negative result for American citizens, if Russia takes Ukraine? Hunter Biden and associates can’t launder millions in bribes? Seriously. How does it affect the guy working at the local McDonalds? It doesn’t. That’s not pro Russia…it’s literally America First. Well, it wouldn't have ended with Ukraine for one. Two, personally, I am totally okay with providing weapons and training to a country that is quite literally at risk of being genocided. It doesn't effect the guy at mcdonald's, but it doesn't have to in order to justify some level of help. Apply that standard globally. Wanna go visit Rwanda? Maybe we should step in when Ethiopia and Eretria go at it again? How about the CAR and the never ending purges...it's a literal genocide. What's the difference now? Why now and not then? Maybe we can add Tibet and what the Chinese did/are doing there? Wanna go toe to toe with the Chinese? You can't claim an ethical standard and then selectively apply it. We let genocide happen regularly and do nothing...so why are we all fired up about this one? Could there be other reasons...gee...what else happens in that specific country... A civil war within a country in africa is a lot different than an unjustified invasion in Europe. Not an apples to apples comparison. Further, Rwandan forces never had their eyes on neighbors, and never threatened dropping nukes on everyone if they didn't get their way. Don't get me wrong, it's a tragedy, but it's not the same scenario. What else is in Ukraine? Please be specific and provide sources. Ukraine is a corrupt quasi oligarchy that laundered money for US political groups and foreign powers. It is one of the most corrupt places on earth. This has not changed from then to now. Not once, has anyone in this thread identified a US National Interest in us fighting Russia for Ukraine. My standard is as stated above- Tell the guy working at McDonalds, why US tax money and manpower should go to Ukraine and not to anywhere else on the planet including domestic spending. Explain how that guy's taxes should be spent in Ukraine and exactly what will happen to him if we don't do it. Nothing...his life will not change by us staying home. We can feel bad about someone's country being invaded without that meaning we have to jump into the middle of the conflict. Ukraine democratically elected their leaders, and in fact the last time someone tried to prove what you said they actually ended up accidentally proving that it was Zelenskey's opposition that was the particularly corrupt party. Oops. I notice that you provided no sources, nor can you explain why them being corrupt means they waive the right to self defense. We are corrupt as well. I never said manpower should go to Ukraine or that we should "jump in the middle of it". But providing weapons and training is good to go. Your standard is weird. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 2:37:12 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Our actions directly lead to the death of more than a million people in the Middle East since 9/11. There is no moral authority here. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Who is the US trying to annex? How many countries has the US invaded in the last 50 years? None that were comparable to what Russia is doing right now, despite the fact that many of those wars shouldn't have happened. Why are you trying to excuse Russian behavior by pointing out (less) bad behavior by the US? Our actions directly lead to the death of more than a million people in the Middle East since 9/11. There is no moral authority here. Once again, as explained, it's not the same- or even remotely close, despite the ill advised wars in the middle east. If you can't understand how we do in fact still have moral authority then it really proves how successful the Russian IO game is. |
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