Your version of “not being involved” is defending the position of a country trying to exterminate Ukrainians and annex their country, which says a lot.

You think so, but you’re speculating/projecting based on nothing but feelings.

US foreign policy hacks and politicians begin buying countries politicians and engaging in corruption and covert political activities within those countries right before military “intervention”…. Yeah , I do see a trend.

I TOO SUPPORT THE CURRENT THING(S)

No, I’ve been reading this stuff since around ‘78.  I’m betting you’re new to this or just started paying attention in the last couple years.

A whole thread shilling about Muh Russia and Muh China:
"Look you're just like the isolationists, if we didn't aid Russia and China in WW2 who knows where we would be, now you better support acts of war against Russia and China or we will be in WW3."

The premise is flawed.  Maybe Germany could have won a White Peace from an unaided Soviet Union.  Japan was the US's dependent pet warmachine, and Pearl Harbor was blowback, but Japan couldn't hold Oahu if it tried.  Without sanctions Japan would have exhausted itself in breaking up China, and then spent the mid 1900s promoting noncommunist  anticolonial movements in South East Asia.  Not bad for Americans.

If my standard of living is dependent on Ukraine and Russia being in antebellum roles then that was arranged by a ruling class for my dependence, for their enrichment, and for the domination of foreign states - and that ruling class hates me.  My concern for the West is a nativist concern for the Christian British people of North America, and a brotherly concern for the preservation of the European peoples in their lands around the world.  Russia taking even the Dardanelles and Bosporus isn't an issue for me, would benefit Europe, and should have been done in the 1800s.

Russia hasn't been a real threat in decades.  Put your geopolitical cap on and see that had we reinforced relations with Russia and kept NATO from encroaching, they would be a much better ally fending of a much more dangerous China. Hell, maybe we could have invited Russia into NATO...wouldn't that have been a twist. Putin is a thug, but he's a thug we know and his days are numbered. You will never truly kill the "bear", only wound it, which is far more dangerous.  I prefer a circus bear on a chain getting snacks and being content.

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Russia retaking Ukraine, Finland, the Baltics, and Poland whole-hog isn't an issue for me.  Russia taking the Dardanelles and Bosporus isn't an issue for me.  China taking Taiwan isn't an issue for me.  The Iranian Plateau state retaking Mesopotamia for the hundredth time isn't an issue for me.  Palestinians retaking the occupied parts of Palestine isn't an issue for me except that more of my tax money will be kept in America.  My focus is among my own people and we suffer at the hands of an elite that want us to care about all these other places.

There is no opposition to be offered against Putin that would see a repatriation of the hundred million children of Emanuel Celler who have come to reside here because of his 1965 Immigration Act.  There is no opposition to be offered against Putin that would see the repatriation of the two million Russians who reside here.  There is no opposition to be offered against Putin that would see increased sovereignty to my Southern States who have endured the destruction of our cultural relics and the demonization of our name.

Biden will not stop the Opioid Epidemic, outlaw single family residence rentals, or build twenty new nuclear power plants to win one over on Putin .  This drum beating is all a con to further enrich and empower the villainy which created this mess.

Always the US's fault regardless of the situation. Sounds like I'm back in university.

The Whole "Now You Better Support Acts of War" against China & Russia" ???

Economic Sanctions against nations violating international norms & peace agreements are not "Acts of war", they are in fact repercussions to the aggressor for conduction ACTUAL "Acts of War".

I disagree with the accuracy of your statement that "Japan couldn't hold Oahu if it tried.  Without sanctions Japan would have exhausted itself in breaking up China, and then spent the mid 1900s promoting noncommunist  anticolonial movements in South East Asia".      Japan had absolutely no legal reason to be "breaking up China" - it was nothing but a flat out war of aggression & Japanese brutality to those conquered is well established fact (rather like a current "special military operation" occurring in the Black Sea region ). THAT brutality in attacking a neighbor was the reason for Western Sanctions on Metals, Petroleum & other raw materials.  Rather than back off as the West Expected - the Japanese (Who wouldn't "lose face" and back off from their invasion of China) instead quadrupled down with invasions that took the British Colonies (Hong Kong, Singapore, Malaysia, Burma,) the French Colonies (Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos,) The Dutch Colonies (Indonesia) along with the American Colonies (Philippines, Guam, Wake, ).  

Japan would not have promoted "anti-colonial" policies to the nations of Asia, as THE JAPANESE planned to be the Colonial Masters, in every meaning of the word.  The Greater Asia Co Prosperity Sphere was double speak for "We Take What We Want, We Take Who We Want, and anyone who opposes us will find final death a blessing".

What a world where the Nazis & Imperial Japanese had "Won" WWII would be like asking how bad would it have been if the Soviet Union has won the Cold War.   Millions dead, Millions enslaved, Millions of starved & cold slaves.

The Russian Invasion of the Ukraine in 2014 & again in 2022 speaks of the Russian believe that "Might Makes Right" and if you can't woo the ex girlfriend you treated so badly over the past years with new promises of "sweet & happy days to come in the Russian Federation", then just beat her black & blue (invade, kill her people & destroy it all) until she "comes back to her senses & 'forgets' about those pretty boys in the west with all their democracy, economic prosperity & freedoms"...

Giving the Ukrainians (sovereign nation recognized by the United Nations) the weapons they need to fight for their lives & freedom, while putting the economic sanctions for such violations onto Russia for their invasion are not "Acts of War" and I have yet to see anyone in this thread call for the US to send in the Marines & the Air Force guns blazing.  

So please leave the strawmen "I don't want the US to give any Help to Ukraine, because it really means "The US fighting the Russians and that will be Nuclear World War III!!!!" out in the barn with the Bull Shit where they belong.  

No one that I've seen in this entire thread is calling for the US to commit "Acts of War".  

The only nation committing "Acts of War" is ...  Russia.

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Look closely at the dates. USSR was invading countries at the same rate as Germany.

News flash. War is already occurring.

The war has already begun...

Funny that the self identified anti-globalists are angry at other nations not protecting Russian citizens property rights in foreign countries, and angry that Russia was disinvited from the globalism. Russia is a stronk independent nation that don’t need no man. You should celebrate this new world.

Do you think a "stupid" man would have been able to stay in power all these years in what you deem the most violent ruthless country in the world? Yes, I think Putin is well aware of NATO.

No, that would be your spin on my opinion.

The selfishness and cowardice in this post is amazing. Bordering on treasonous.

So after all that time your conclusion is “Russia good, USA bad?”

Sounds like you’ve been really … selective … in your reading.

You might want to take a freshman level logic class.

If all those people said doing cardio and shooting 3x a week was good, you'd sell your guns and get fat, right?

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The “bad bad USA forced them to invade”, argument.

Weak.

Ruthless, corrupt, and evil doesn't equal smart.

anyone who is not aware of the khazars (satan worshippers who were forced to convert to judism) should take the time to research them, especially considering Ukraine is their homeland.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/khazars

https://rumble.com/vbhf4w-the-sequel-to-the-fall-of-the-cabal-part-1-2020-subeng.html

Reposting from the big thread for absolutely no reason at all...

Russian-Bought Facebook Ads Sought To Amplify Political Divisions - September 26, 2017

"The apparent goal of the ads, the sources who spoke with CNN said, was to amplify political discord and fuel an atmosphere of incivility and chaos around the 2016 presidential campaign, not necessarily to promote one candidate or cause over another.

Senate Intelligence Committee chair Richard Burr, a Republican, told reporters Tuesday that the use of Facebook and other social media platforms by Russian-linked accounts appears to be about creating chaos on both ends of the political spectrum, not necessarily collusion between the Trump camp and Russian officials."

And a few more links of interest to show the lengths they go to. You can actually see it at work here on ARFCOM from certain accounts.

Fake Black Activist Social Media Accounts Linked To Russian Government

Fake Twitter Accounts Stoked NFL ‘Take a Knee’ Debate

Facebook Says Russia-Linked Ads That Reached Millions Of Americans Continued To 'Sow Division' And Undermine Trump – Not Hillary – Even After The 2016 Election

Growing Evidence That Russia Using ‘The Resistance’ To Stoke Division

Russia's Military Creates Force To Wage 'Information Warfare'

Trolling For Putin: Russia's Information War Explained

And probably one of the more in depth articles on the subject, the NYT stumbling into an accidental act of journalism: The Agency - From A Nondescript Office Building In St. Petersburg, Russia, An Army Of Well-Paid “Trolls” Has Tried To Wreak Havoc All Around The Internet — And In Real-Life American Communities

(If you hit the paywall on the NYT link, just look up the URL on http://www.archive.org)

And also this refresher...

https://smallwarsjournal.com/jrnl/art/nine-lessons-of-russian-propaganda

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You sure have some interesting bedfellows...

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The belief that the US can thrive in an imaginary, isolationist bubble is short sighted, naive, and unintelligent.  It’s good to see the “the evil US is the root cause of all this, not Russia” argument.  That says a lot.

It’s funny how folks in this category love to jump around to unrelated topics like a squirrel on meth, though.

I was going to say what if CNN accidentally posted articles about how homelessness and homosexual sex were bad for your health? Would we have to go find this guy under an overpass and get him home?

Do you think they ask if that meth is domestic or imported?

we dont need to be isolationist, just put our needs before those of the EU and Israel

edta: maybe we should stop toppling other countries' leaders to benefit the banks, as well

Saddam's "weapons of mass destruction" of the fed

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I am sure lots of stupid people become very wealthy and rule over ruthless violent countries for decades...

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He could have saved his effort.

Hillery and the DNC, with the help of the FBI and the intelligence community pretty much had this covered with pee dossiers, fake Russian collusion, unlawful FISA warrants, wiretaps, and an army of MSM to keep repeating it on every platform non-stop. It seems Russia is a very useful Boogieman.

I think some people feel that you can have global trade without injecting your military into conflicts all over the planet.

Look, you’re changing the subject again…

Focus… try some Ritalin or something…

it is extremely relevant to the topic at hand.

check my post about the Khazarians

I find it amazing that any American would root for Russia or Ukraine and that any gun owning conservatives would believe any narrative promoted by the MSM.

The Fed Gov is responsible for protecting our borders, not the borders of some foreign shithole half the way around the world .

Meanwhile literally millions of illegals are pouring across our southern border in a full scale invasion all the while the MSM  and our own government say "dont worry about that but hey look over here at Ukraine".

Particularly the Baltics

ETA- There's decent evidence this is his long term goal. Shutting him down now with weapons to Ukraine is a no-brainer if it even has a chance of preventing an article 5 escalation later.

Yeah it might seem that way if you don't really think about it. Russia is on the wrong side, so they lock everything down and make up shit about biolabs and nazis. Meanwhile all Ukraine has to say is "we're defending our homeland"

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They're not eligible for NATO membership
Putin uses NATO as a convenient scapegoat. This war isn't about NATO encroachment. It's about the "Ukraine problem" and making the USSR great again.

Otherwise, yeah it would have been nice to have them as an ally, it's just not realistic.

aka "I refuse to think for myself, and will take the opposite stance of people I don't like no matter what"

you are either a propagandist or a fool,

https://nypost.com/2022/03/26/hunter-biden-played-role-in-funding-us-bio-labs-contractor-in-ukraine-e-mails/

Talk about Russia…

LOOK! IRAQ!

So the attempt to distract is intentional, then?

Oh, you're back for more eh? Okay.

I'll give you a hint, and it's partially my fault for not being more clear above.

There is a difference between biolabs and biological WEAPONS labs.

look familiar? this is the exact region we are discussing.

Which has nothing to do with Ukraine.

You're worse at this than kerry.

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Seriously man, there are ADD drugs that might help you a lot.

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Isn't it amazing how arfcom, the bastion of freedom is now just parroting the latest Reddit trends and calling anyone who doesn't want to get into another protracted proxy war involving a country we have no interest with, a Putin lover?

Hey OP. I don't support Russia or Ukraine and want no part of a conflict with either.  Russia is not our main enemy, China and our own leftist regime are.

Oh and also