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Posted: 4/6/2022 3:35:54 PM EDT

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Yours has to be a Shareblue shill account.

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Don’t bother @Coax half of GD still think Khrushchev is still running the Soviet Union and the Berlin Wall is still up.

Make no mistake. The same people who dragged us into war in Iraq are trying to drag us into war with Russia.

TC

Putin aspires to become the czar and restart the Cold War.

Yours has to be a Shareblue shill account.

Are we really back to doing this again

Posted: 4/6/2022 3:37:17 PM EDT

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One trick pony here. Just accuse everyone of being a paid shill and you don't have to engage in the argument.

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This is a pretty transparent attempt to lump all "I'm not willing to side with Ukraine or Russia in this conflict and I don't believe what the media on either side is telling us" with the "crazy Q tards" and "Alex Jones retards". Yours must also be a Shareblue shill account, this is blatant propagandizing/manipulation.

Yours must also be a Shareblue shill account, this is blatant propagandizing/manipulation.

One trick pony here. Just accuse everyone of being a paid shill and you don't have to engage in the argument.

I engage in the argument elsewhere. On these posts you quoted I am simply addressing the propaganda technique being utilized.

Posted: 4/6/2022 3:37:22 PM EDT

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You made a statement that you cannot prove. The more you struggle the worse it will be for you.

Considering that you claim that the ones not parroting your narrative are "Putin lovers", it only shows that you are very far from a reputable/credible information source.

So, from on I'll stop replying to your posts.

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I thought about who touches the information.

In RT's case, since it belongs to the Russian state, any information will pass by a censor's desk at some point, if not multiple times, between someone writing it and it being published.

In the satellite imagery case, who touched that data between the photos/videos were taken and then they reached the intended audience?

So, I think we are all talking about chain of custody.

I always find this line of questioning information interesting because you are pretending as if you, a regular dude on the street, will actually ever have enough information about something like this to know the "truth". Newsflash: What you think you are entitled to is a fantasy. You will never be given access to classified data about this from either side. You will never see how things work behind the scenes to determine which information you are allowed to see. Your choice as a human being is either to live with the fact that you will always be partially in the dark, or continue to complain about the reality over which you have no control over. All of that wailing and gnashing of teeth to try to figure out whether the US media or the Russian media is lying to you is a stupid exercise in futility. It also doesn't matter one bit. You either agree with what Russia is doing as a human being and as an American, or you don't. Trust of media has zero to do with it. If you want to read RT so that you can see Russia's made up justification for the war, have at it. If you want to read the New York Times to see what propaganda Ukraine and the State Department is putting out to justify giving weapons to the Ukraine, have at it. The only relevant question is whether giving Ukraine weapons serves US strategic interests. You won't find the answer to that in any media source.

And, because of that, "regular dudes on the street" have to swallow any bs that's spit on them?

Gee, wouldn't it be nice if there were mechanisms by which to validate information without relying on official sources?

Definitely. And that's what we are discussing here.

And just because sometimes there's no agreement about the information credibility, it does not mean that is it "Russian talking points" as some try to imply.

When your points are direct from the Kremlin then they are in fact Russian talking points, and no, saying the ghost of kiev is fake isn't a Russian talking point, neither is healthy skepticism. But straight denial of everything in face of multiple sources of information with NO information to discredit it is plain stupid.

Until you can provide credible sources, anything you spew is nonsense and lies. Your previous posts already made that quite clear.

So, right now you are just projecting.

Do you know what OSINT is? When you compile 5 sources of OSINT and they all say the same thing, you can make some reasonable judgements. Nothing I've said is a lie. Just because I'm not going to waste time wading through the archive doesn't make it untrue.

You made a statement that you cannot prove. The more you struggle the worse it will be for you.

libel

noun
1.The legally indefensible publication or broadcast of words or images that are degrading to a person or injurious to his or her reputation.
2.An incidence of such publication or broadcast.
3.The written claims initiating a suit in an admiralty court

Considering that you claim that the ones not parroting your narrative are "Putin lovers", it only shows that you are very far from a reputable/credible information source.

So, from on I'll stop replying to your posts.

Wrong again, I claimed you're a putin lover because you've defended him in the past. Not everyone that disagrees with me is a putin lover. It's only libel if it's untrue. I have no interest in wading through the archive to prove to you what you secretly know, even if you hide it publicly. With no names on archive posts it's useless anyway.

Do you ever get tired of being wrong?

Posted: 4/6/2022 3:38:44 PM EDT

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No. What would "be nice"....in fact what we actually NEED is mechanisms by which to validate information without relying on official sources, AND, that don't involve the same media organizations, structures, and personnel who brought us:

- COVID will kill 15% of the population
- COVID vaccines are safe and effective
- High numbers of adverse events are not associated with the COVID vaccine
- Masks prevent the spread of COVID, except when they don't
- Trump was not being surveilled, that was a conspiracy theory
- The "Piss Dossier"
- Trump was colluding with Russia to get elected
- The DOJ did not get a FISA warrant to spy on the Trump Campaign
- The DOJ DID get a FISA warrant to spy on the Trump Campaign, but it was based on legitimate information
- The Election was completely legitimate, there was no cheating.
- Accusations of changing the rules, unvalidated ballots being counted, refusals to purge voter databases of invalid names and addresses, and other such shenanigans are "debunked conspiracy theories that Trumpers won't let go".
etc. etc. etc. etc. etc............

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I thought about who touches the information.

In RT's case, since it belongs to the Russian state, any information will pass by a censor's desk at some point, if not multiple times, between someone writing it and it being published.

In the satellite imagery case, who touched that data between the photos/videos were taken and then they reached the intended audience?

So, I think we are all talking about chain of custody.

I always find this line of questioning information interesting because you are pretending as if you, a regular dude on the street, will actually ever have enough information about something like this to know the "truth". Newsflash: What you think you are entitled to is a fantasy. You will never be given access to classified data about this from either side. You will never see how things work behind the scenes to determine which information you are allowed to see. Your choice as a human being is either to live with the fact that you will always be partially in the dark, or continue to complain about the reality over which you have no control over. All of that wailing and gnashing of teeth to try to figure out whether the US media or the Russian media is lying to you is a stupid exercise in futility. It also doesn't matter one bit. You either agree with what Russia is doing as a human being and as an American, or you don't. Trust of media has zero to do with it. If you want to read RT so that you can see Russia's made up justification for the war, have at it. If you want to read the New York Times to see what propaganda Ukraine and the State Department is putting out to justify giving weapons to the Ukraine, have at it. The only relevant question is whether giving Ukraine weapons serves US strategic interests. You won't find the answer to that in any media source.

And, because of that, "regular dudes on the street" have to swallow any bs that's spit on them?

Gee, wouldn't it be nice if there were mechanisms by which to validate information without relying on official sources?

No. What would "be nice"....in fact what we actually NEED is mechanisms by which to validate information without relying on official sources, AND, that don't involve the same media organizations, structures, and personnel who brought us:

- COVID will kill 15% of the population
- COVID vaccines are safe and effective
- High numbers of adverse events are not associated with the COVID vaccine
- Masks prevent the spread of COVID, except when they don't
- Trump was not being surveilled, that was a conspiracy theory
- The "Piss Dossier"
- Trump was colluding with Russia to get elected
- The DOJ did not get a FISA warrant to spy on the Trump Campaign
- The DOJ DID get a FISA warrant to spy on the Trump Campaign, but it was based on legitimate information
- The Election was completely legitimate, there was no cheating.
- Accusations of changing the rules, unvalidated ballots being counted, refusals to purge voter databases of invalid names and addresses, and other such shenanigans are "debunked conspiracy theories that Trumpers won't let go".
etc. etc. etc. etc. etc............

OSINT.

You don't need the media.

Posted: 4/6/2022 3:43:07 PM EDT

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No. What would "be nice"....in fact what we actually NEED is mechanisms by which to validate information without relying on official sources, AND, that don't involve the same media organizations, structures, and personnel who brought us:

- COVID will kill 15% of the population
- COVID vaccines are safe and effective
- High numbers of adverse events are not associated with the COVID vaccine
- Masks prevent the spread of COVID, except when they don't
- Trump was not being surveilled, that was a conspiracy theory
- The "Piss Dossier"
- Trump was colluding with Russia to get elected
- The DOJ did not get a FISA warrant to spy on the Trump Campaign
- The DOJ DID get a FISA warrant to spy on the Trump Campaign, but it was based on legitimate information
- The Election was completely legitimate, there was no cheating.
- Accusations of changing the rules, unvalidated ballots being counted, refusals to purge voter databases of invalid names and addresses, and other such shenanigans are "debunked conspiracy theories that Trumpers won't let go".
etc. etc. etc. etc. etc............

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I thought about who touches the information.

In RT's case, since it belongs to the Russian state, any information will pass by a censor's desk at some point, if not multiple times, between someone writing it and it being published.

In the satellite imagery case, who touched that data between the photos/videos were taken and then they reached the intended audience?

So, I think we are all talking about chain of custody.

I always find this line of questioning information interesting because you are pretending as if you, a regular dude on the street, will actually ever have enough information about something like this to know the "truth". Newsflash: What you think you are entitled to is a fantasy. You will never be given access to classified data about this from either side. You will never see how things work behind the scenes to determine which information you are allowed to see. Your choice as a human being is either to live with the fact that you will always be partially in the dark, or continue to complain about the reality over which you have no control over. All of that wailing and gnashing of teeth to try to figure out whether the US media or the Russian media is lying to you is a stupid exercise in futility. It also doesn't matter one bit. You either agree with what Russia is doing as a human being and as an American, or you don't. Trust of media has zero to do with it. If you want to read RT so that you can see Russia's made up justification for the war, have at it. If you want to read the New York Times to see what propaganda Ukraine and the State Department is putting out to justify giving weapons to the Ukraine, have at it. The only relevant question is whether giving Ukraine weapons serves US strategic interests. You won't find the answer to that in any media source.

And, because of that, "regular dudes on the street" have to swallow any bs that's spit on them?

Gee, wouldn't it be nice if there were mechanisms by which to validate information without relying on official sources?

No. What would "be nice"....in fact what we actually NEED is mechanisms by which to validate information without relying on official sources, AND, that don't involve the same media organizations, structures, and personnel who brought us:

- COVID will kill 15% of the population
- COVID vaccines are safe and effective
- High numbers of adverse events are not associated with the COVID vaccine
- Masks prevent the spread of COVID, except when they don't
- Trump was not being surveilled, that was a conspiracy theory
- The "Piss Dossier"
- Trump was colluding with Russia to get elected
- The DOJ did not get a FISA warrant to spy on the Trump Campaign
- The DOJ DID get a FISA warrant to spy on the Trump Campaign, but it was based on legitimate information
- The Election was completely legitimate, there was no cheating.
- Accusations of changing the rules, unvalidated ballots being counted, refusals to purge voter databases of invalid names and addresses, and other such shenanigans are "debunked conspiracy theories that Trumpers won't let go".
etc. etc. etc. etc. etc............

You have been politely told multiple times that many such sources exist and are being independently evaluated, validated, and used to form moderate and high confidence assessments that Russian troops have been doing some really bad things. There are also individuals with access to classified sources that have done what they can to say whether or not that independent OSINT analysis is more or less aligned with work being done in official channels and have occasionally made note of the fact that not only is it aligned, many times it is both accurate and available ahead of official work.

Posted: 4/6/2022 3:45:16 PM EDT

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You are crafting a strawman from a false dichotomy that the only sources of information available are MSM and whatever its positional antithesis might be. You should not do that.

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I thought about who touches the information.

In RT's case, since it belongs to the Russian state, any information will pass by a censor's desk at some point, if not multiple times, between someone writing it and it being published.

In the satellite imagery case, who touched that data between the photos/videos were taken and then they reached the intended audience?

So, I think we are all talking about chain of custody.

I always find this line of questioning information interesting because you are pretending as if you, a regular dude on the street, will actually ever have enough information about something like this to know the "truth". Newsflash: What you think you are entitled to is a fantasy. You will never be given access to classified data about this from either side. You will never see how things work behind the scenes to determine which information you are allowed to see. Your choice as a human being is either to live with the fact that you will always be partially in the dark, or continue to complain about the reality over which you have no control over. All of that wailing and gnashing of teeth to try to figure out whether the US media or the Russian media is lying to you is a stupid exercise in futility. It also doesn't matter one bit. You either agree with what Russia is doing as a human being and as an American, or you don't. Trust of media has zero to do with it. If you want to read RT so that you can see Russia's made up justification for the war, have at it. If you want to read the New York Times to see what propaganda Ukraine and the State Department is putting out to justify giving weapons to the Ukraine, have at it. The only relevant question is whether giving Ukraine weapons serves US strategic interests. You won't find the answer to that in any media source.

And, because of that, "regular dudes on the street" have to swallow any bs that's spit on them?

Gee, wouldn't it be nice if there were mechanisms by which to validate information without relying on official sources?

Definitely. And that's what we are discussing here.

And just because sometimes there's no agreement about the information credibility, it does not mean that is it "Russian talking points" as some try to imply.

If it's RT, it's literally Russian talking points. Dancing around it or glossing over that fact doesn't make it go away. You have been told a 100% truth that this is the most well documented conflict in history and you are making an active choice to ignore a wealth of high confidence OSINT work in favor of headlines that line up with what you choose to believe.

If you go back, no one is questioning that RT is the Russian side, or propaganda.

What is being questioned is the information presented to the American public, which also comes from very questionable sources.

Therefore, as OP suggested, using RT to help figuring out where the truth really is might not be a bad idea. I haven't gone to that website yet but might take a look.

The truth will be hidden somewhere between what the MSM and its cohorts have been vomiting and what Russia and China have been spitting.

The difficult part is filtering the useful stuff from the trash.

You are crafting a strawman from a false dichotomy that the only sources of information available are MSM and whatever its positional antithesis might be. You should not do that.

I used "MSM and cohorts" as a general descriptive. I agree there are many more sources in between the two extremes.

The big problem is how to find them.

Even in this very website it is not easy to figure out what is real and what is not, mostly when there's a group hellbent on painting anyone and anything that do not flow with "free Ukraine!" narrative as "Russian propaganda".

I read a couple posts talking about threads that try to impartially discuss what's going on using intelligence and military expertise. Where are they?

Some that were started to discuss the backstage of that war were quickly trashed by that nonsensical discussion.

Posted: 4/6/2022 3:45:34 PM EDT

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I engage in the argument elsewhere. On these posts you quoted I am simply addressing the propaganda technique being utilized.

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This is a pretty transparent attempt to lump all "I'm not willing to side with Ukraine or Russia in this conflict and I don't believe what the media on either side is telling us" with the "crazy Q tards" and "Alex Jones retards". Yours must also be a Shareblue shill account, this is blatant propagandizing/manipulation.

Yours must also be a Shareblue shill account, this is blatant propagandizing/manipulation.

One trick pony here. Just accuse everyone of being a paid shill and you don't have to engage in the argument.

I engage in the argument elsewhere. On these posts you quoted I am simply addressing the propaganda technique being utilized.

America is best country, America does no wrong, if you don’t like or question anything your masters do then you need to get out!

Posted: 4/6/2022 3:49:37 PM EDT

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True about Ukrainians being affected, whether on this forum or not. Obviously I don't want any innocent people harmed.

It's just that the globalists have had a hard-on for a USA v. Russia war for years. Some normal folks who are usually (and rightfully so) wary of the propaganda media are eating up every BS story out of Ukraine as if it were fact. They are reverting to some cold war mindset about the Evil Empire. The "globohomos", if you will, have been pushing their agendas in Ukraine and subverting the ethnic Russian people there. Somehow many of us have been tricked into rallying alongside these globalists. Personally, I support the Ukrainian people, which is why I don't want to see tranny kids and hordes of third world immigrants become the norm there. If the globohomos win and establish control, you just know it will be.

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Posted: 4/6/2022 3:49:44 PM EDT

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America is best country, America does no wrong, if you don’t like or question anything your masters do then you need to get out!

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This is a pretty transparent attempt to lump all "I'm not willing to side with Ukraine or Russia in this conflict and I don't believe what the media on either side is telling us" with the "crazy Q tards" and "Alex Jones retards". Yours must also be a Shareblue shill account, this is blatant propagandizing/manipulation.

Yours must also be a Shareblue shill account, this is blatant propagandizing/manipulation.

One trick pony here. Just accuse everyone of being a paid shill and you don't have to engage in the argument.

I engage in the argument elsewhere. On these posts you quoted I am simply addressing the propaganda technique being utilized.

America is best country, America does no wrong, if you don’t like or question anything your masters do then you need to get out!

Literally nobody has said anything even remotely close to this. The US does bad and retarded shit all the time, but nowhere near as bad and retarded as Russia.

Posted: 4/6/2022 3:51:53 PM EDT

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I used "MSM and cohorts" as a general descriptive. I agree there are many more sources in between the two extremes.

The big problem is how to find them.

Even in this very website it is not easy to figure out what is real and what is not, mostly when there's a group hellbent on painting anyone and anything that do not flow with "free Ukraine!" narrative as "Russian propaganda".

I read a couple posts talking about threads that try to impartially discuss what's going on using intelligence and military expertise. Where are they?

Some that were started to discuss the backstage of that war were quickly trashed by that nonsensical discussion.