Some will sure. They are still asleep. This population is probably 50% of what it was a few years ago though.

And yet this occurred on ground the Russians held. And is now held by Ukrainians. After they took it back...but they're losing?

That makes sense because Ukraine is punching in well above their weight.  They are getting help in the form of advisors which usually means we have SF and CIA types on the ground advising Zelensky and his staff.

There are probably that pair of Raptors overhead somewhere nearby providing overwatch.  I'm sure it's a safe bet to believe those pair of F-22s were brought over to Poland to test and gather intelligence on Russian air defenses at first.  Seems like just like everything else, it was over hyped and no match for Raptors.

They pretty much learned they can roam the Ukrainian skies almost at will, and have been doing so.  The Sentries on the border are probably steering them out of visual range of Russian planes.

I'm sure that Putin knows those boots are there and the Raptors have been in the air space he considers his.  Thats whats likely behind his threats to the west.

Russian/Soviet military has been punching in well below it's weight. That's not going to last for long.  Russians are learning and regrouping to where I suspect they will start punching in around their weight which is just about average in the world.  Their military investment and upgrades have been poor overall, but very good in specific areas like their subs.

However, this is not a war for their subs.  It's a war for ground pounders and support needed.  Their infantry sucks, their tanks suck, their logistics support sucks, their military doctrine for ground wars sucks, and their air support lacking a full eco-system necessary for air superiority.

Putin is going to regroup and refocus on the eastern side of Ukraine as been reported. He is going to focus on territorial gains in the east linking to the Dnieper river in the south to that peninsula on the Black sea.  That will choke off much of Ukraine's ability to ship trade and turn this war into one of attrition.

German will become disinterested in helping Ukraine with arms shipments as their politicians don't want the backlash of voter resentment on economic issues.  They will lead the stronger EU NATO countries to join them, and it will effectively reduce arms shipments to Ukraine.  Ukraine will not be able to fight as effectively.

Eventually Putin will offer a deal to Ukraine to capitulate and be a partner of his new deal.  That new deal won't be a true new deal, but a dust off of the WARSAW pact.  Once that's complete, he will do what the Soviets did back before WWII.  He will lean on Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania to join.  Estonia will be the first to capitulate as they did back then.  

The other two will follow. They will leave NATO and join this pact as they will become fully aware that EU NATO powerhouses don't care about them.

He will leave Finland alone as the Fins refused which started the Soviet invasion of their country.  It didn't go according to the Soviet's plan.  They had thought it would have been quick, but not.  History does repeat itself.

He'll go after the breakaway republics in the south and bring those back into the new iron curtain.  No EU country will care.

He will go after Moldova, Poland, and Hungray.  Moldova will capitulate, Hungray likely as it tends to be pro-Russian in their political system.  Poland is a no way in hell, and will fight.

That's what's in store for the European continent if they don't do something now.  They need to lead and fly a no-fly zone in the western portion of Ukraine.  This allows Ukraine to use more resources to fight the Russians in the east.  Otherwise, they need to leave a significant amount of military resources in the north and west to not leave their flank bordering Belarus exposed.

If Putin pulls this off, then the Asian-Pac region will become China's personal playground for their expansive desires like nothing today.

There's a lot at stake here, and it would be nice to count on the Europeans to take care of their neighborhood before this shit gets really out of hand.

Telegram banned RT news.

Censorship is bad.

Who is at war again?

Don’t bother @Coax half of GD still think Khrushchev is still running the Soviet Union and the Berlin Wall is still up.

Make no mistake. The same people who dragged us into war in Iraq are trying to drag us into war with Russia.

TC

Who pissed in your Cheerios?

Go on google earth and check out eastern Ukraine and southwest Russia. Millions and millions of acres of crop fields.

Commercial images. And good Russians aren’t born, they are made.

Putin aspires to become the czar and restart the Cold War.

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So we are pushing the official Russian media propaganda in GD now?

A lot of fools are.

Plenty of useful idiots have been doing that on Arfcom for years...

RT is LITERALLY Russian state run media  

LMAO

Its a free for all over there. the avg criminal gangs could be commiting rapes and murders, and everything could be blamed on the russians

saved...though this meme doesn't say what you think it says lol

Man, if the Russians can’t even prevent 1% of a cities population being raped and murdered by criminals despite it being in their front lines it’s no wonder 20,000 Russians have been killed.

lol you must hang out at comet ping pong.

npc spotted.

Arfcom, where people publicly display their contempt for media outlets by latching on to the first source that repeats their beliefs.


RT is a laughable new low though.


Edit: OP, Russians don't even watch RT.

It's what plays on the TV in Russian embassies.

WHAT is maxxar and who are they working for ?

I mean, it could be totally true. Or fake

Good thing their was video proving the Timisoara massacre in 1989..

This is substituting their narrative into the information stream. Not that much different than "some people did something".  Yes, something "bad" happened, allegedly. -- that word repeated in the title and body of the article.

Missing: any enumeration/acknowledgement  of the "alleged" killing. Note use of killing vs. slaughter/massacre.  No mention of overhead imagery taken during time of the russian occupation that shows evidence later found on the ground.

It wasn't so bad, we're not really sure who did it.

just a soft nudge.

Why do so many think this issue is black and white?

Black: "You believe the MSM lies and want the US to be dragged into WWIII to defend a corrupt nation that has nothing to do with us!!!"

White: "You love Putin and support Russia's invasion."

There's a whole shitload of gray area between those 2 viewpoints but idiots find it much easier to "win" an argument by lumping people together into an easily dismissable group.

You don't have to believe the MSM or love everything about Ukraine to support them against Russia.  You also don't have to support direct US military involvement to enjoy watching our Javelins wreck Russian armor.  I hope Ukraine wins because if Russia takes Ukraine, they will use it as a jump off point to invade the next former Soviet state on their list and then we have no choice but to become directly involved.  That's common fucking sense, no media bullshit needed.  Putin and his cronies want the USSR reunited so they have a buffer against Western influence and potential invasion.

All nations are corrupt but the corrupted shitbags aren't the ones fighting and dying.  This whole idea that Ukraine's leadership is shady, therefore we should let Russia destroy/subjugate the Ukrainian population, takes a special level of stupid to buy into.

This isn't another Middle Eastern squabble that has zero effect on the US aside from economic effects, this is absolutely a situation where staying out of it will cease to be an option very soon if we don't provide support now in the form of intel and weapons.

Everybody should read this technical manual.

I see arfcom will also become insufferable.

I used to enjoy all the intelligence & knowledge of ARFCOM, but since the massive infestation of the "No Star" 20,21, 22 Alex Jones / "Q" idiots, I just shake my head at how the I.Q. level of ARFCOM has recently plunged off a cliff the past few years.

No wonder so many of the Great insightful & smart members are "signing off" ARFCOM due to massive NOISE to actual Signal ratio ...

ARFCOM as of late has become overrun & occupied territory by the stupids of the Alex Jones / "Q" Tards fan base.

You'd think they would just start their OWN board to rehash all the IT'S A CONSPIRACY Theories & Bull Shit.

BIGGER_HAMMER

Why is everyone having fight over some false flag claims, when we can be talking about the fact that he is CLEARLY sporting a Holosun?

Kinda like how CNN only plays in Airports?  

Yup. It's becoming unbearable, and I enjoy a good debate

Soros funded Nazis like Soros funded Antifa,BLM,& prosecutors...

what nazis

Or maybe you mean NATIONALISTS? I haven't seen any actual national socialists....and even if there were, why does that excuse Russia? Are the "nazis" invading Poland? Systemically murdering Jews?

Show me these nazis, and not just guys wearing symbols co-opted by the real nazis (that Russians have been spotted wearing too).

I'll wait.

Holosun!!! , well THAT clearly proves there are "boots on the ground" operatives of the Chinese State Security Force in Ukraine.

Or does it prove the Secret Globalist Elite CIA Cabal that rules the world is just TRYING to False Flag us all about Communist Chinese Infiltration with that FAKE Holosun Optic?   Makes you think eh?



@FlatRangeOperator

BIGGER_HAMMER

That BMD shoots before the guy rounds the corner.  Did the guy walkout between people shooting at each other, or was the BMD shooting the other apparent civilians?  Maybe the guy couldn't tell how close the shooting was?

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Wouldn't the bodies at least me bloated by now? How about rats and stray dogs over 2 - 3 weeks?

You blew the lid off their little operation, better move to a secure facility

Apparently not since there's satellite imagery of the bodies there since the...22nd or so.

You mean like against a wall?

why post that hideous Cunt's face?

I have long found RT to be far above the mainstream media but I watch almost 0.0 news of any sort outside GD

lol, seriously, most Russians even know RT is state run propaganda. How do you know RT is better than our media if you watch 0.0 news?

RT is a fucking joke.

I trust the photos from Maxar and Blacksky because they’re American Companies with a keen eye for making money. And they can’t do that if they give the world doctored or false data.

They distrust satellite images, but trust the word of an invading army lol

What in tarnation is a Seagal?

Yes, a large segment of this place is largely pro Russia and would love for us to be more like Russia.

Did you miss the last year where so many were saying they would love to have Putin as president?