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Posted: 4/6/2022 1:02:41 PM EDT

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lol, good thing there arent any sattelite photos of the bodies laying in the street while the town was still under Russian occupation or anything. That would be awkward.

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Posted: 4/6/2022 1:02:47 PM EDT

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Do you have ANY mean to verify the authenticity of the pics ? Can you assure me they haven’t been manipulated in any way ?

I mean, nobody knew who maxar was 24h ago

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look at the pictures...corroborated by witness statements, and pictures on the ground. Ignore it all if you want, but it doesn't make you smart.

Do you have ANY mean to verify the authenticity of the pics ? Can you assure me they haven’t been manipulated in any way ?

I mean, nobody knew who maxar was 24h ago

Do you have any means to verify the authenticity of ANYTHING? The holocaust? were you there? The moon landing? D-Day? Were you there? Hell, I've never even seen an F35 in real life. Do they exist?

When you have pics on the ground, satellite pics, and witness statements, you have enough info to say an event probably happened. Especially in an historical context, knowing the Russian army has done it before...unless you doubt those events too since you weren't there.

Posted: 4/6/2022 1:03:49 PM EDT

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lol, good thing there arent any sattelite photos of the bodies laying in the street while the town was still under Russian occupation or anything. That would be awkward.

Care to share that satellite footage chain of custody?

People buy off on RT propaganda, but want a chain of custody for satellite photos corroborated by numerous other sources....lol

Posted: 4/6/2022 1:06:28 PM EDT

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Except you're wrong. There are a variety of sources we can use to make some judgement calls on what is going on there. Distance doesn't matter, but if it does then I was within 100 miles of the Ukrainian border recently so apparently I would know better than you right? Regardless, we do not have limited sources of information, only the complete braindead and ignorant would make that claim. There's more information coming out about this war than any war in history, and it's happening in near real time. Yes, some of it is bad, but quite a lot of it is pretty good and a smart person can piece those many sources together.
Corruption in Ukraine is an irrelevant talking point as well.

If you think this event is not important then you are almost not worth even talking to. This even has made the world more unstable than it has been in...decades...maybe longer. Both in a physical way, and financial. If you can't see that then you are an absolute fool.

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I forgot to add common sense, which clearly is in short supply.

i'd imagine that waterglass is saying the same thing about common sense.

Probably, too bad he's yet to provide anything close to a convincing argument.

Also, as far as Covid, it was clear by week 2 that things were not adding up. Government overreach was obvious, and "rules" put in place didn't make sense. There's nothing like that here.

Yeah. Absolutely nothing like that here. LULZ!

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/36058/B10D4C1D-9F1A-4BA0-89EA-036730D31BAE-230-2339682.JPG

Right, nothing like that here. With Covid, you could put together information coming from a variety of sources and understand that something didn't add up.

By your logic you will NEVER know ANYTHING because you can't trust any information, even information you see with your own eyes.

Have fun going through life never knowing a damn thing about anything. Or you could open your eyes, use your head, and make reasonable calls on things based on the information available.

You intentionally ignored my point.

Using tour covid example, it was possible to see (by the non-braindead) that none of the information officially provided added up. It has been possible to research multiple sources and crosscheck information to get near the truth.

Transpose to Ukraine and the same sources that pushed the "covid pandemic" are pushing the "free Ukraine!" and trying to rally everyone towards that cause.

What makes the Ukraine case much more difficult to assess (by the non-braindead) is that is a smaller event taking place in a far-away location and with very limited sources of information, most of them already proved untrustworthy a long time ago. However, we know for sure that Ukraine is a money-laundering corrupt-to-the-core shithole that only serves billionaires associated with organizations that do not have mankind's wellbeing in mind (e.g. WEF, clinton foundation, etc.) purposes.

Add to that how low important that event is, compared to much more pressing issues Americans are facing at home.

Conclusion, that falls in the barely-move-the-needle category, since we are getting fabricated news from both sides of an event that is not important.

Except you're wrong. There are a variety of sources we can use to make some judgement calls on what is going on there. Distance doesn't matter, but if it does then I was within 100 miles of the Ukrainian border recently so apparently I would know better than you right? Regardless, we do not have limited sources of information, only the complete braindead and ignorant would make that claim. There's more information coming out about this war than any war in history, and it's happening in near real time. Yes, some of it is bad, but quite a lot of it is pretty good and a smart person can piece those many sources together.
Corruption in Ukraine is an irrelevant talking point as well.

If you think this event is not important then you are almost not worth even talking to. This even has made the world more unstable than it has been in...decades...maybe longer. Both in a physical way, and financial. If you can't see that then you are an absolute fool.

You just helped making my point. You claim to be close to the conflict.

However, your posts make very clear that you are highly biased, therefore, not a reputable source of information.

You will filter off anything that does not convey your narrative, which applies to the sources you use.

There's a reason that jurors are vetted by both sides before court-of-law trials.

Posted: 4/6/2022 1:06:55 PM EDT

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People buy off on RT propaganda, but want a chain of custody for satellite photos corroborated by numerous other sources....lol

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lol, good thing there arent any sattelite photos of the bodies laying in the street while the town was still under Russian occupation or anything. That would be awkward.

Care to share that satellite footage chain of custody?

People buy off on RT propaganda, but want a chain of custody for satellite photos corroborated by numerous other sources....lol

It's part of the game of arguing with stupid people. They can make claims that it isn't real without providing any evidence that it isn't real, while requiring that you prove evidence that it is real. Everyone involved in the conversation knows that the accuser can't provide any evidence it has been faked, and the accused has no access to the information needed to prove that it is real. Even if the accused had evidence to prove that it was real, the accuser would just claim that the evidence has been faked, too, because it comes from the deep state, a deep-state connected entity or that the accused is actually part of the deep state.

Posted: 4/6/2022 1:08:18 PM EDT

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I figured I'd poke in this thread after 5 pages just to see...yup. I'm out

Posted: 4/6/2022 1:08:56 PM EDT

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Until Vlad opens a can of sunshine, I really don’t give a fuck about anything outside this nation. The motherfucker occupying the office of president is the greatest threat to this nation in addition to illegal invaders from the Southern border, ANTIFA terrorists, gangs and leftist cock sucking politicians of BOTH parties!

FUCK Joe Biden
FUCK Congress
FUCK Russia
FUCK Ukraine
FUCK Europe
FUCK China

FUCK THE WORLD!

Posted: 4/6/2022 1:09:18 PM EDT

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You were slobbing Putin's knob before the war even started, don't try to lie about it...I remember. What propaganda am I pushing? You mean information coming from a variety of sources on the ground, and in the air? Meanwhile you're pushing Kremlin talking points and claiming to be a smart guy lmao.

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I forgot to add common sense, which clearly is in short supply.

i'd imagine that waterglass is saying the same thing about common sense.

https://i.imgflip.com/6biipz.jpg

Then make a logical argument.

So far the best arguments are "covid was wrong so this is wrong" and "I haven't seen the bodies myself so it's false"

Weak.

I haven’t seen the bodies myself so it could be true or false.

Who profits from the corpses if it is true or false?

Ukrainians that want the EU to join the war.

Do I care if the EU joins the war?

No.

No need to argue.

Well perhaps you should open your eyes, because it's very easy to see the bodies if you care to see what's happening over there. Civilians killed with hands tied behind their backs, executed people, shelled cities, etc.

Your argument is that Ukraine is killing their own people to get other countries involved, when other countries were already supplying them with everything they need to win on their own.
What did the Red Army have to gain by murdering and raping their way across Germany?
What did the Nazis have to gain by murdering Jews?
What does Putin have to gain now?
Perhaps is just stupid soldiers with bloodlust, not thinking about profiting.
This is a conscripted, poorly trained army with no leadership doing things that the Russian army has ALWAYS done.

Use your fucking head.

I saw many photos of armed civilians (including models holding airsoft) and Ukraine's government (and many here) "proud of it". Many videos of civilians helping the Ukrainian military killing "bad Russians".

So, once those armed civilians are killed they are reprocessed into "innocent victims" by the MSM for mass consumption?

As an example: Still keeping in mind several discussions not long ago, in this forum, about the Syrian civil war and many fabricated photos and videos. In Ukraine that stopped and "all is true"?

Who said all is true?

Can you comprehend the difference between a civilian fighter killed somewhere and piles of civilian bodies with hands tied behind their backs? Oh right, those pics are fabricated right.

You're a known putin lover, I remember you- namely because your screen name is the same name as my favorite hotel in Saint Petersburg. At any rate your judgement is suspect, and you have no credibility.

So, if by not buying the "free Ukraine!" propaganda that makes me a "Putin lover", what does zealously pushing that propaganda makes you? A "soros balls licker"?

You were slobbing Putin's knob before the war even started, don't try to lie about it...I remember. What propaganda am I pushing? You mean information coming from a variety of sources on the ground, and in the air? Meanwhile you're pushing Kremlin talking points and claiming to be a smart guy lmao.

Prove it. When did I "slob Putin before the war"?

Posted: 4/6/2022 1:09:40 PM EDT

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You just helped making my point. You claim to be close to the conflict.

However, your posts make very clear that you are highly biased, therefore, not a reputable source of information.

You will filter off anything that does not convey your narrative, which applies to the sources you use.

There's a reason that jurors are vetted by both sides before court-of-law trials.

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I forgot to add common sense, which clearly is in short supply.

i'd imagine that waterglass is saying the same thing about common sense.

Probably, too bad he's yet to provide anything close to a convincing argument.

Also, as far as Covid, it was clear by week 2 that things were not adding up. Government overreach was obvious, and "rules" put in place didn't make sense. There's nothing like that here.

Yeah. Absolutely nothing like that here. LULZ!

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/36058/B10D4C1D-9F1A-4BA0-89EA-036730D31BAE-230-2339682.JPG

Right, nothing like that here. With Covid, you could put together information coming from a variety of sources and understand that something didn't add up.

By your logic you will NEVER know ANYTHING because you can't trust any information, even information you see with your own eyes.

Have fun going through life never knowing a damn thing about anything. Or you could open your eyes, use your head, and make reasonable calls on things based on the information available.

You intentionally ignored my point.

Using tour covid example, it was possible to see (by the non-braindead) that none of the information officially provided added up. It has been possible to research multiple sources and crosscheck information to get near the truth.

Transpose to Ukraine and the same sources that pushed the "covid pandemic" are pushing the "free Ukraine!" and trying to rally everyone towards that cause.

What makes the Ukraine case much more difficult to assess (by the non-braindead) is that is a smaller event taking place in a far-away location and with very limited sources of information, most of them already proved untrustworthy a long time ago. However, we know for sure that Ukraine is a money-laundering corrupt-to-the-core shithole that only serves billionaires associated with organizations that do not have mankind's wellbeing in mind (e.g. WEF, clinton foundation, etc.) purposes.

Add to that how low important that event is, compared to much more pressing issues Americans are facing at home.

Conclusion, that falls in the barely-move-the-needle category, since we are getting fabricated news from both sides of an event that is not important.

Except you're wrong. There are a variety of sources we can use to make some judgement calls on what is going on there. Distance doesn't matter, but if it does then I was within 100 miles of the Ukrainian border recently so apparently I would know better than you right? Regardless, we do not have limited sources of information, only the complete braindead and ignorant would make that claim. There's more information coming out about this war than any war in history, and it's happening in near real time. Yes, some of it is bad, but quite a lot of it is pretty good and a smart person can piece those many sources together.
Corruption in Ukraine is an irrelevant talking point as well.

If you think this event is not important then you are almost not worth even talking to. This even has made the world more unstable than it has been in...decades...maybe longer. Both in a physical way, and financial. If you can't see that then you are an absolute fool.

You just helped making my point. You claim to be close to the conflict.

However, your posts make very clear that you are highly biased, therefore, not a reputable source of information.

You will filter off anything that does not convey your narrative, which applies to the sources you use.

There's a reason that jurors are vetted by both sides before court-of-law trials.

Wrong again. Do you ever get tired of being wrong? Has it occurred to you that my views are based on the sources? If you knew me and my situation, it would be clear that a lot of people would assume that I'd fall on the Russian side of things, because if anything I'd be biased towards them. But that doesn't fit YOUR narrative.

Read more, do more research. You are clearly ignorant, but the issue is you LIKE being ignorant.

Posted: 4/6/2022 1:09:56 PM EDT

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It's part of the game of arguing with stupid people. They can make claims that it isn't real without providing any evidence that it isn't real, while requiring that you prove evidence that it is real. Everyone involved in the conversation knows that the accuser can't provide any evidence it has been faked, and the accused has no access to the information needed to prove that it is real. Even if the accused had evidence to prove that it was real, the accuser would just claim that the evidence has been faked, too, because it comes from the deep state, a deep-state connected entity or that the accused is actually part of the deep state.

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lol, good thing there arent any sattelite photos of the bodies laying in the street while the town was still under Russian occupation or anything. That would be awkward.

Care to share that satellite footage chain of custody?

People buy off on RT propaganda, but want a chain of custody for satellite photos corroborated by numerous other sources....lol

It's part of the game of arguing with stupid people. They can make claims that it isn't real without providing any evidence that it isn't real, while requiring that you prove evidence that it is real. Everyone involved in the conversation knows that the accuser can't provide any evidence it has been faked, and the accused has no access to the information needed to prove that it is real. Even if the accused had evidence to prove that it was real, the accuser would just claim that the evidence has been faked, too, because it comes from the deep state, a deep-state connected entity or that the accused is actually part of the deep state.

yup

Posted: 4/6/2022 1:10:19 PM EDT

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Well I’ve certainly never seen that term used before

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The Chinese have said that the massacre in Ukraine is "collateral damage" and not a war crime.

Well I’ve certainly never seen that term used before

I think a case could be made for all military aged males being a justification. A shit one for sure, but Ukraine has been very straight forward any makes 16 to 60 is in the service defending their country.

It’s horrible but not every nation fights like us. I can see the question being posed what to do with people that will be armed and fighting Russia again when Russia surrender the ground.

I understand why the Russian army is lighting up civilian vehicles too. Many UA small units are using civilian vehicles for transport and logistics. It really sucks but UA decisions likely started these atrocities.

Executing women and children has no excuse, beyond this is a total war with the extermination of anyone that might challenge Russian rule, which in that case should drive the world’s reaction to this objective. Same for deporting the native population to camps. The world knows how that ends.

I still want Ukraine to win, it’s their country not Russia’s. Russia forgot that when they committed the holodomor. The media however is not presenting the full truth, shocker I know.

Posted: 4/6/2022 1:11:05 PM EDT

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Prove it. When did I do it?

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I forgot to add common sense, which clearly is in short supply.

i'd imagine that waterglass is saying the same thing about common sense.

https://i.imgflip.com/6biipz.jpg

Then make a logical argument.

So far the best arguments are "covid was wrong so this is wrong" and "I haven't seen the bodies myself so it's false"

Weak.

I haven’t seen the bodies myself so it could be true or false.

Who profits from the corpses if it is true or false?

Ukrainians that want the EU to join the war.

Do I care if the EU joins the war?

No.

No need to argue.

Well perhaps you should open your eyes, because it's very easy to see the bodies if you care to see what's happening over there. Civilians killed with hands tied behind their backs, executed people, shelled cities, etc.

Your argument is that Ukraine is killing their own people to get other countries involved, when other countries were already supplying them with everything they need to win on their own.
What did the Red Army have to gain by murdering and raping their way across Germany?
What did the Nazis have to gain by murdering Jews?
What does Putin have to gain now?
Perhaps is just stupid soldiers with bloodlust, not thinking about profiting.
This is a conscripted, poorly trained army with no leadership doing things that the Russian army has ALWAYS done.

Use your fucking head.

I saw many photos of armed civilians (including models holding airsoft) and Ukraine's government (and many here) "proud of it". Many videos of civilians helping the Ukrainian military killing "bad Russians".

So, once those armed civilians are killed they are reprocessed into "innocent victims" by the MSM for mass consumption?

As an example: Still keeping in mind several discussions not long ago, in this forum, about the Syrian civil war and many fabricated photos and videos. In Ukraine that stopped and "all is true"?

Who said all is true?

Can you comprehend the difference between a civilian fighter killed somewhere and piles of civilian bodies with hands tied behind their backs? Oh right, those pics are fabricated right.

You're a known putin lover, I remember you- namely because your screen name is the same name as my favorite hotel in Saint Petersburg. At any rate your judgement is suspect, and you have no credibility.

So, if by not buying the "free Ukraine!" propaganda that makes me a "Putin lover", what does zealously pushing that propaganda makes you? A "soros balls licker"?

You were slobbing Putin's knob before the war even started, don't try to lie about it...I remember. What propaganda am I pushing? You mean information coming from a variety of sources on the ground, and in the air? Meanwhile you're pushing Kremlin talking points and claiming to be a smart guy lmao.

Prove it. When did I do it?

Deny it if you want, but we both know we've had this discussion. I'm not going to search through the archives for it, you'd deny it anyway even if I could find it since there's no screen names.

Posted: 4/6/2022 1:12:09 PM EDT

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Another article there I hadn't seen anywhere else. I didn't realize Kazakhstan was that big of a grain exporter. If true, this should spice things up even more. I wonder how much of it is saving it for themselves as opposed to holding on to it until the price goes up a lot more, then sell.

Another major global breadbasket may halt grain exports

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Another article there I hadn't seen anywhere else. I didn't realize Kazakhstan was that big of a grain exporter. If true, this should spice things up even more. I wonder how much of it is saving it for themselves as opposed to holding on to it until the price goes up a lot more, then sell.

Another major global breadbasket may halt grain exports

Kazakhstan is considering the introduction of temporary restrictions on the export of grain and flour to protect its domestic food market, Agriculture Minister Yerbol Karashukeev said on Monday, without specifying any dates. Kazakhstan is one of the top 10 grain exporters in the world, supplying over 70 countries.

“The issue of imposing restrictions on both grain and flour exports is being worked out,” he told reporters, adding that the measure was due to the fact that local producers “do not want to sell grain to flour millers.”

A good farmer will hold it in his grain bin until the price goes up. Why wouldn't anyone in Kazakhstan do the same thing ?

kwg

Posted: 4/6/2022 1:15:37 PM EDT

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My girl? Who is my girl? Are you suggesting it's Hillary? You think I voted for her? Interesting. Show your work on that one, or stop lying.

Russia is LITERALLY invading a sovereign country and murdering civilians right now. This has nothing to do with "collusion".

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I forgot to add common sense, which clearly is in short supply.

i'd imagine that waterglass is saying the same thing about common sense.

https://i.imgflip.com/6biipz.jpg

Then make a logical argument.

So far the best arguments are "covid was wrong so this is wrong" and "I haven't seen the bodies myself so it's false"

Weak.

I haven’t seen the bodies myself so it could be true or false.

Who profits from the corpses if it is true or false?

Ukrainians that want the EU to join the war.

Do I care if the EU joins the war?

No.

No need to argue.

Well perhaps you should open your eyes, because it's very easy to see the bodies if you care to see what's happening over there. Civilians killed with hands tied behind their backs, executed people, shelled cities, etc.

Your argument is that Ukraine is killing their own people to get other countries involved, when other countries were already supplying them with everything they need to win on their own.
What did the Red Army have to gain by murdering and raping their way across Germany?
What did the Nazis have to gain by murdering Jews?
This is a conscripted, poorly trained army with no leadership doing things that the Russian army has ALWAYS done.

Use your fucking head.

Meh. Don’t care.

Then why come peddle your bullshit in a thread about something you admittedly are ignorant about?

To see which CIA propagated horse shit was being pushed today. I pay for it after all.

Right. Go do some more research. Read the 1,500 page thread and get up to speed before you talk as if you actually know what's going on, because you clearly don't.

Are you talking about arfcom's censored thread with a clear "free Ukraine!" objective? Next you will tell us to also check CNN, NYT, WaPo, ANC, etc?

The thread that kicks people out that thread slide and repeat KNOWN Kremlin talking points? Sorry that hit a nerve, did you get removed?

"Russia, Russia!"

Your girl paying fines (when she should be facing a firing squad) because of the fabricated Trump-Russia collusion she pushed makes your point and that thread quite credible, like Twitter and Facebook posts and discussions in those echo chambers, and CNN, NYT, WaPo and other MSM articles.

My girl? Who is my girl? Are you suggesting it's Hillary? You think I voted for her? Interesting. Show your work on that one, or stop lying.

Russia is LITERALLY invading a sovereign country and murdering civilians right now. This has nothing to do with "collusion".

Funny how you used a hillary talking pint, yet you claim you are not a hillary lover.

It works both ways.

Posted: 4/6/2022 1:19:41 PM EDT

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In courts, there is something called an evidentiary standard. You don't get to introduce any and all evidence that you want to. Evidence that fails to meet a certain standard gets screened out and the jury never gets to see it because its BS. I could care less if you want to read state-sponsored propaganda or not, but it is not necessary to do so in the search for "truth".

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I'm not arguing our media doesn't suck. I'm saying it's irrelevant, and that RT is Kremlin owned propaganda- anyone that buys into it is parroting Russian talking points.

It's that weak binary thinking. Our media is full of shit, so the media that disagrees with our media must be telling the truth. It always helps if the alternate media is supporting the alternate narrative. It's almost like it isn't an accident and it's specifically targeted to support the confirmation bias of the audience that doesn't like the institutions of the target country.

No, it's because our media is full of shit and completely untrustworthy that anyone seeking the truth needs to read "the other side" and try to figure out the truth hidden in between.

So, we know both sides lie. Only way to try to find out what's really going on is listening to both sides.

Like the old-style courts of law do. Have you heard of it?

In courts, there is something called an evidentiary standard. You don't get to introduce any and all evidence that you want to. Evidence that fails to meet a certain standard gets screened out and the jury never gets to see it because its BS. I could care less if you want to read state-sponsored propaganda or not, but it is not necessary to do so in the search for "truth".

Both sides are spitting state-sponsored propaganda and both sides fabricate and censor information. Now you are getting on the "if both sides believe in God, for what side God will intervene?".

Posted: 4/6/2022 1:21:11 PM EDT

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Funny how you used a hillary talking pint, yet you claim you are not a hillary lover.

It works both ways.