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Posted: 1/18/2024 6:02:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Reminds me of Shamblin Lara and her hubby. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/390133/ffgf_jpeg-3098878.JPG She looks like a crackhead.  Edit: look at that conehead doo. Ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff  Damn.. |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 6:07:43 PM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Prosperity preachers gonna prosper. The business is Jesus (or conning) and business is GOOD. |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 6:09:52 PM EDT
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He gives me the creeps, seriously. I don't understand what some people see in him.
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Posted: 1/18/2024 6:11:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is it a net positive for society? Yes all these people are giving him money and he's spending it on luxury items for himself but is it inducing a lot of "morality" and good positive behavior into society? I think what people don't understand is that's the point. Huge televised megachurches benefit in that they are easy and feel good as it pertains to religion. It's not about morality. But more that any "real" church is going to call you out. It's similar to twitch thots and onlyfans in a way. As people would rather pay to interact and not feel the weight of reality and rejection. He's simply giving people what they want. |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 6:13:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He is a slimy snake oil salesman Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I used to watch Joel Osteen. I never saw him talk about sin, repentance, or the need to have Jesus remove the death sentence that sin brings. I get it that his marketing strategy (yes, I meant to say that) is to preach to people who are already believers, but I think getting sinners to repent was the main focus of the book of Acts. We need for the Christian church to get back to that, and Joel Osteen sure ain't helpin' any. He is a slimy snake oil salesman Exactly |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 6:15:18 PM EDT
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I don’t get why people here hate him so much.
If his congregation is getting some sort of benefit from being a member, good for all involved. There are a lot worse things out there. For people that hate liberalism so much, y’all seem to hate religion in general. I think it’s a good thing in general if just for building ties with your community. |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 6:16:08 PM EDT
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You forgot the interest over 19 years which probably doubles that to $200k per week which i believe is really low. You also left out the take from him and all of his demons. When i managed an armored car company 20 years ago we picked up deposits from a large church that the rich people went to in a city of about 60k people. Mind you that there were 4-5 other large churches in this town that we didn’t pick up. But this one deposit weekly hovered around $50k on average.
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Posted: 1/18/2024 6:17:22 PM EDT
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BE3kJeBr9QI
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Posted: 1/18/2024 6:20:47 PM EDT
[#9]
Jim Jones had a following.
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Posted: 1/18/2024 6:22:49 PM EDT
[#10]
You mean you haven't?
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Posted: 1/18/2024 6:25:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: His wife has a strange look in her eyes. In her mind she is saying, "Yes, yes, YES, continue to send us money, Yesssssssssssssss" |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 6:35:28 PM EDT
[#12]
10% for the Big Guy lol!
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Posted: 1/18/2024 6:35:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Goddamn, Christians have absolutely no shame at all... Like any other organizations that attract people who are hurting, vulnerable, in need, or hungry for guidance and leadership, religion attracts people who will take advantage of them. Generalities are dumb. |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 6:36:16 PM EDT
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IIRC one of the local preachers, Buddy Cremeans, was getting involved with Joel Olsteen. Now sure if he still is.
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Posted: 1/18/2024 6:36:24 PM EDT
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Quoted: https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/01/18/18/80178301-12978883-Osteen_said_he_doesn_t_feel_the_need_to_apologize_for_his_wealth-a-70_1705602954394.jpg https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12978883/Its-faithfulness-Pastor-Joel-Osteen-breaks-tears-tells-congregation-100million-loan-took-convert-NBA-stadium-Texas-megachurch-paid-just-19-years.html Megachurch pastor Joel Osteen has paid off a $100 million loan for renovations at his church in just 19 years with donations thanks to his congregation's 'faithfulness'. Osteen burst into tears as he ripped up the loan agreement on Sunday during a service at the 17,000 seat NBA stadium turned church in Houston, Texas. https://preview.redd.it/mxsxblj844f61.jpg?auto=webp&s=7ea4380746449de9b34221ad477b021488d9f98b An oldie but a goody: "Joel Osteen looks like Martin Short doing an impersonation of Tim Allen..." And beaten on Page 2... oh well, worth repeating. |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 6:37:14 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A fool and their money and all that. Megachurches are cancer. |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 6:38:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Demon spawn. I’ve seen it before. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: His wife has a strange look in her eyes. Demon spawn. I’ve seen it before. You've met my ex-wife? 
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Posted: 1/18/2024 6:41:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think he probably converts more than most given how ubiquitous his content is. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I used to watch Joel Osteen. I never saw him talk about sin, repentance, or the need to have Jesus remove the death sentence that sin brings. I get it that his marketing strategy (yes, I meant to say that) is to preach to people who are already believers, but I think getting sinners to repent was the main focus of the book of Acts. We need for the Christian church to get back to that, and Joel Osteen sure ain't helpin' any. I’ve watched a lot of his messages, and he’s preaching the gospel of the bountiful. It’s not all fire and brimstone, but he does preach faith in Christ as the path to salvation, and every message I’ve listened to ends with a prayer to Christ for forgiveness and salvation. So have I, but it sounds like a mere formality, like, "I better mention Jesus now." I don't think his technique motivates very many people to come to Christ who aren't believers already. I'm willing to be proven wrong, but I'd have to see definite numbers on how many people have become Christians during one of his sermons. I bet it's slightly more than Tony Robbins. I think he probably converts more than most given how ubiquitous his content is. But are they really converted? |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 6:41:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Megachurches are cancer. Truth. I believe there are a LOT of "pastors" that will have a lot to answer for (1 Peter 5:2-3, Ezekiel 34:2-5) |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 6:41:52 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: for the weak minded This x1000 |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 6:43:25 PM EDT
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Not reading all the posts, what's the one simple trick?
Scam money and pay loan? |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 6:54:17 PM EDT
[#22]
He has a dope Ferrari!
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Posted: 1/18/2024 6:55:59 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don’t get why people here hate him so much. If his congregation is getting some sort of benefit from being a member, good for all involved. People probably feel like his followers are being taken advantage of, but I bet lots of them know exactly what they're doing. Just like OnlyFans. |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 6:56:38 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/18/2024 6:57:15 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/18/2024 6:57:32 PM EDT
[#26]
At most he's a motivational speaker, at worst he's a con man.
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Posted: 1/18/2024 6:58:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm one of them. He doesn't charge me a penny to listen to his sermons. I was in a dark depression at one point, I never heard him speak before and his sermons helped to get me back in a good place. He also tells his followers to get in a good bible based church. I love Jesus and have faith in the Lord, so if anyone has good things to say I like to hear. Those jumping to conclusions based on soundbites they got from MSM in this thread would be well-advised to listen to you. I know of a few people like you that Osteen's sermons on the radio helped pull out of a dark spot. They never gave him any $ aside from what their Sirius radio subs paid him. He ain't perfect, but he's also not shoving 43 different sexual orientations down our children's throats or blaming white males and nuclear families for all of mankind's problems. As a Christian, I don't find his gospel interpretations perfect, but neither are mine. At least we're generally on the same side. WRT to megachurches in general, for every Joel Osteen there are many more Tim Hawks (retired pastor of Hill Country Bible, lived a very modest life, outstanding scholar) or even Max Lucado's (stayed by the front door every Sunday until every single person who wanted to speak with him was gone, donated a large portion of the proceedings from his many books) that most of you have never heard of. |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 6:59:45 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don’t get why people here hate him so much. If his congregation is getting some sort of benefit from being a member, good for all involved. There are a lot worse things out there. For people that hate liberalism so much, y’all seem to hate religion in general. I think it’s a good thing in general if just for building ties with your community. These are the people who are too quick to judge. We all will be held accountable for every word spoken. Who does not want to be prosperous? The bills still have to be paid, right? Is it disobedience or a sin to be rich (having excessive money and material things of this world)? Who doesn't want thier soul to prosper. "It is more blessed to give than to receive." Giving is receiving. For the love of money, this is the root of all kinds of evil. ?? Do not love this world nor the things it offers you, for when you love the world, you do not have the love of the Father in you. For the world offers only a craving for physical pleasure, a craving for everything we see, and pride in our achievements and possessions. These are not from the Father, but are from this world. And this world is fading away, along with everything that people crave. But anyone who does what pleases God will live forever. I desire that my soul prospers as well as my physical health & my finances. Commies hate the independently wealthy. Apparently, so do atheists. (see the correlation) So many believers so far behind in maturity. |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 7:00:33 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: He is a con man. They were doing repairs in his church and opened up a wall. There was a bag of cash with over 100K in it and passports. His sermons are complete garbage and no substance. Does he even read out of the Bible? No he never opens the Word of God and teaches and preach from it. He's a version of Oprah but in a mega Church full of gullible sheep |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 7:02:23 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: He gives me the creeps, seriously. I don't understand what some people see in him. Feel good speaker. He's another Balom |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 7:05:35 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I used to watch Joel Osteen. I never saw him talk about sin, repentance, or the need to have Jesus remove the death sentence that sin brings. I get it that his marketing strategy (yes, I meant to say that) is to preach to people who are already believers, but I think getting sinners to repent was the main focus of the book of Acts. We need for the Christian church to get back to that, and Joel Osteen sure ain't helpin' any. Remember what his mom used to say? "We don't preach it sad, we preach it glad". |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 7:06:15 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/18/2024 7:14:03 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: His wife has a strange look in her eyes. Yep. Like Kenneth Copeland. The guy looks like evil incarnate. I have nothing against religion or Christians, I think there is a lot of wonderful and truly genuine Christians and Christian leaders/pastors that have done so many positive things for the world. Growing up I went to a traditional (not progressive) Lutheran church and had an amazing pastor. The type would visit the sick and elderly on a daily basis and truly lived the Bible. Modest home, nothing fancy, lived a very simply life with a great family. I just have a hatred for the prosperity preachers. Just completely distorts the message. Like you'll have people digging up obscure Old Testament verses to allow them to point fingers at others. But the same types will completely ignore Christ's actual words and parables that written plainly with no gray area. Example.... Luke 18:25 "it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God" Yet these prosperity preachers pretty much preach the exact opposite. |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 7:16:41 PM EDT
[#34]
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Posted: 1/18/2024 7:17:31 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep. Like Kenneth Copeland. The guy looks like evil incarnate. I have nothing against religion or Christians, I think there is a lot of wonderful and truly genuine Christians and Christian leaders/pastors that have done so many positive things for the world. Growing up I went to a traditional (not progressive) Lutheran church and had an amazing pastor. The type would visit the sick and elderly on a daily basis and truly lived the Bible. Modest home, nothing fancy, lived a very simply life with a great family. I just have a hatred for the prosperity preachers. Just completely distorts the message. Like you'll have people digging up obscure Old Testament verses to allow them to point fingers at others. But the same types will completely ignore Christ's actual words and parables that written plainly with no gray area. Example.... Luke 18:25 "it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God" Yet these prosperity preachers pretty much preach the exact opposite. Avatar checks out |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 7:17:46 PM EDT
[#36]
He is truly a nice guy. I don’t know his church business stuff but I give him a pass. Attack attack attack.
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Posted: 1/18/2024 7:21:11 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Avatar checks out Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yep. Like Kenneth Copeland. The guy looks like evil incarnate. I have nothing against religion or Christians, I think there is a lot of wonderful and truly genuine Christians and Christian leaders/pastors that have done so many positive things for the world. Growing up I went to a traditional (not progressive) Lutheran church and had an amazing pastor. The type would visit the sick and elderly on a daily basis and truly lived the Bible. Modest home, nothing fancy, lived a very simply life with a great family. I just have a hatred for the prosperity preachers. Just completely distorts the message. Like you'll have people digging up obscure Old Testament verses to allow them to point fingers at others. But the same types will completely ignore Christ's actual words and parables that written plainly with no gray area. Example.... Luke 18:25 "it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God" Yet these prosperity preachers pretty much preach the exact opposite. Avatar checks out I don't follow the any organized religion myself. I try to follow the basic Golden Rule. I'm talking about the people that own 3 personal jets, 2 mansions, and manipulating old ladies on a fixed income promising their offering donations will get them into heaven. |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 7:24:55 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't follow the any organized religion myself. I try to follow the basic Golden Rule. I'm talking about the people that own 3 personal jets, 2 mansions, and manipulating old ladies on a fixed income promising their offering donations will get them into heaven. The basic Golden Rule? What exactly is the Golden Rule that you follow, if you don't mind my asking? Maybe you're trying too hard. |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 7:27:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Prosperity preachers gonna prosper. An interesting video on the prosperity gospel and megachurches  The Dark World of Megachurches |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 7:27:48 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The golden rule? What exactly is the golden rule that you follow, if you don't mind my asking? Maybe you're trying too hard. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I don't follow the any organized religion myself. I try to follow the basic Golden Rule. I'm talking about the people that own 3 personal jets, 2 mansions, and manipulating old ladies on a fixed income promising their offering donations will get them into heaven. The golden rule? What exactly is the golden rule that you follow, if you don't mind my asking? Maybe you're trying too hard. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Rule Pretty much the core value with most every religion or historical philosophy on ethics. |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 7:30:26 PM EDT
[#41]
Quoted: https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/01/18/18/80178301-12978883-Osteen_said_he_doesn_t_feel_the_need_to_apologize_for_his_wealth-a-70_1705602954394.jpg https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12978883/Its-faithfulness-Pastor-Joel-Osteen-breaks-tears-tells-congregation-100million-loan-took-convert-NBA-stadium-Texas-megachurch-paid-just-19-years.html Megachurch pastor Joel Osteen has paid off a $100 million loan for renovations at his church in just 19 years with donations thanks to his congregation's 'faithfulness'. Osteen burst into tears as he ripped up the loan agreement on Sunday during a service at the 17,000 seat NBA stadium turned church in Houston, Texas. https://preview.redd.it/mxsxblj844f61.jpg?auto=webp&s=7ea4380746449de9b34221ad477b021488d9f98b Charlatan. |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 7:30:41 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: He is a con man. They were doing repairs in his church and opened up a wall. There was a bag of cash with over 100K in it and passports. His sermons are complete garbage and no substance. Does he even read out of the Bible? I’ve never seen a Bible on his clear pulpit. He and Jim Jones have a lot in common. |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 7:31:02 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: His thing is just telling people what they want to hear instead of actually doing a sermon on the word of God. He is a sharp dressed good looking guy and his wife is attractive. It is all in the presentation. Plus, it is Texas, and people from Texas, are, well, you know. A Feel Good Social Club. |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 7:31:53 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Reminds me of Shamblin Lara and her hubby. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/390133/ffgf_jpeg-3098878.JPG I bet they have loud, drunk/drugged sex a lot. |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 7:32:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I know people, good obedient, Godly, Christ-centered people, who are absolutely convinced that Joel is a great and Godly man. I'm thankful that I don't know anyone within my church who thinks Osteen is a Christian. If I start hearing members of my church make such claims, I'll know I'm not in the right church/Christian community. |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 7:32:56 PM EDT
[#46]
If he was such a con man, why would he pay down the loan on the church. If he was a con man, he'd pay the least amount possible on the loan, and squirrel away all of the church offerings. Doesn't make sense to me and I could care less what all you haters think of the man and his wife.
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Posted: 1/18/2024 7:33:29 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I bet they have loud, drunk/drugged sex a lot. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Reminds me of Shamblin Lara and her hubby. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/390133/ffgf_jpeg-3098878.JPG I bet they have loud, drunk/drugged sex a lot. Not anymore. |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 7:35:07 PM EDT
[#48]
Douche Bag.
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Posted: 1/18/2024 7:35:10 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I bet not ONE CENT of Osteen's own money was used to pay off the loan. Why would he spend HIS money? He uses "God's" money instead. Can I get an Amen-a? |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 7:38:31 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If he was such a con man, why would he pay down the loan on the church. If he was a con man, he'd pay the least amount possible on the loan, and squirrel away all of the church offerings. Doesn't make sense to me and I could care less what all you haters think of the man and his wife. 1 hundred million dollars paid off. The debt was canceled! You got to hate that. |
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