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Posted: 10/24/2018 12:40:37 AM EDT
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The good news is that it is perfectly legal for a president to deploy troops to protect the border. Any judge who doesn't recognize that a force of 80% healthy males between the ages of 17 - 40 bearing foreign flags and burning the US flag is an invasion force needs to be horsewhipped and then shot. The bad news is that the invasion force is 20% women and children, and CNN would love nothing more than to show footage of those women and children (who will be the vanguard when the borders is reached) being shot by US troops. My solution is water cannon filled with Israeli Skunk Juice. When the mob can't stand the stench of each other, or even of their own clothing, they tend to disburse quickly. |
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Posted: 10/24/2018 12:44:24 AM EDT
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I am pretty sure he can set up an exclusion zone of 1 mile from the border, and have the military control it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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According to our own stupid ass laws the US cannot use the Armed forces to do this. Posse Comitatus and Martial Law The Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 prohibits the use of U.S. military forces to perform the tasks of civilian law enforcement such as arrest, apprehension, interrogation, and detention unless explicitly authorized by Congress. The Posse Comitatus Act, signed into law by President Rutherford B. Hayes on June 18, 1878, limits the power of the federal government in the use of federal military personnel to enforce U.S. laws and domestic policies within the borders of the United States. The law was passed as an amendment to an army appropriation bill following the end of Reconstruction and was subsequently amended in 1956 and 1981. As originally enacted in 1878, the Posse Comitatus Act applied only to the U.S. Army but was amended in 1956 to include the Air Force. In addition, the Department of the Navy has enacted regulations intended to apply the Posse Comitatus Act restrictions to the U.S. Navy and Marine Corps. The Posse Comitatus Act does not apply to the Army National Guard and the Air National Guard when acting in a law enforcement capacity within its own state when ordered by the governor of that state or in an adjacent state if invited by that state's governor. Operating under the Department of Homeland Security, the U.S. Coast Guard is not covered by the Posse Comitatus Act. While the Coast Guard is an "armed service," it also has both a maritime law enforcement mission and a federal regulatory agency mission. The Posse Comitatus Act was originally enacted due to the feeling of many members of Congress at the time that President Abraham Lincoln had exceeded his authority during the Civil War by suspending habeas corpus and creating military courts with jurisdiction over civilians. It should be noted that the Posse Comitatus Act greatly limits, but does not eliminate the power of the President of the United States to declare "martial law," the assumption of all civilian police powers by the military. The president, under his or her constitutional powers to put down insurrection, rebellion, or invasion, may declare martial law when local law enforcement and court systems have ceased to function. For example, after the bombing of Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941, President Roosevelt declared martial law in Hawaii at the request of the territorial governor. So does Trump have something up his sleeve, or is he just bloviating to get through the mid term elections? |
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Posted: 10/24/2018 12:45:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I doubt there will be any cross border incursion, as you said we're talking about unarmed civilians, a lot of them I grant you but unarmed civilians none the less. hard to justify a cross border incursion by US military forces based just upon that. |
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Posted: 10/24/2018 12:49:09 AM EDT
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Why would this be a law enforcement issue? The goal is to protect the border, not allow them in and subsequently have the police deal with them.
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Posted: 10/24/2018 12:50:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Making them believe there will be a cross border incursion is just part of the game you play, if the President warns the Mexican President that the possibility exist it may happen and making the statement changes the direction of the diplomacy involved. |
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Posted: 10/24/2018 12:56:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: except a cross border incursion or even the threat of one doesn't make Mexico look like the asshole in the room, it makes the US look like the asshole in the room. also the notion that congress is going to sign off on such a military action is laughable at best. especially with the midterms days away. hell even after the midterms congress signing off on such an action is a very long shot at best Congress does not have to sign off, the leaders of both houses would be informed, but he does have select powers that don't need to be approved that allows him to move troops and that has the ability to last a set amount of time in instances of emergency. By the way, Mexico already looks like the assholes in this one, because they have allowed this on their soil and did not do much to prevent the incursion to a neighboring ally |
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Posted: 10/24/2018 1:01:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Trump can sign a declaration of Martial Law that covers the border areas and put troops on the ground to prevent entry across our border of illegal aliens, all it has to be is declared as a emergency situation pivotal to our National Security and our troops can be deployed in country to protect the border. Just because he declares martial law, does not mean it covers the whole country, it can be selective in particular zones that have already been defined, long before I was in the service and spent my years at the Pentagon. There are several scenarios that cover exclusionary zones around this country to prevent incidents such as is occurring right now. They are updated frequently to adapt to the ever changing situations that happen. Congress does not have to sign off, the leaders of both houses would be informed, but he does have select powers that don't need to be approved that allows him to move troops and that has the ability to last a set amount of time in times of emergency. |
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Posted: 10/24/2018 1:02:04 AM EDT
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Move the 3rd Infantry Division to the border, they did a fine job in Adhamiya in 2007.
If any illegals are allowed in they should be shipped to Northern Alaska and housed in basic tent camps there with no interweb access until they are deported. If they know they will be shipped to Northern Alaska with winter coming, there is less incentive for them to come. |
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Posted: 10/24/2018 1:07:07 AM EDT
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US Constitution Article 4, Section 4 This isn't a posse comitatus issue |
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Posted: 10/24/2018 1:07:51 AM EDT
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I've said it in other threads, and I'll say it in this one: They must be stopped at all costs. If you don't stop this one it will take 20 Army divisions to stop the next one.
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Posted: 10/24/2018 1:09:40 AM EDT
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I've said it in other threads, and I'll say it in this one: They must be stopped at all costs. If you don't stop this one it will take 20 Army divisions to stop the next one. |
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Posted: 10/24/2018 1:10:22 AM EDT
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I haven't read the whole thread so forgive me if this has been mentioned. But don't we have microwave and or sonic crowd control units? Like mounted on Humvees? It seems like a handful of those might be useful.
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Posted: 10/24/2018 1:22:24 AM EDT
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feel free to be one of the dumbasses that goes to the border to valiantly fend off the invasion... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've said it in other threads, and I'll say it in this one: They must be stopped at all costs. If you don't stop this one it will take 20 Army divisions to stop the next one.  Where did I mention any such foolishness?
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Posted: 10/24/2018 1:27:31 AM EDT
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I haven't read the whole thread so forgive me if this has been mentioned. But don't we have microwave and or sonic crowd control units? Like mounted on Humvees? It seems like a handful of those might be useful. No matter what gets done, many people are not going to be happy, so do what needs to be done beside injuring them and move forward. |
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Posted: 10/24/2018 1:39:28 AM EDT
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Hand out the hickory and start giving shampoos.
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Posted: 10/24/2018 1:44:25 AM EDT
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Posse Comitatus would not apply to repelling foreign invaders regardless of whether not hostilities have been declared against the country from which the invaders are coming from.
Frankly I think that Trump should declare that a state of war exists between the US and Mexico but that no action shall be taken against Mexico except at the border. Any person attempting to cross the border shall be considered an insurgent in time of war which means we can shoot them. This engineered crisis has to be nipped in the bud, HARD. This is really a make-or-break power play and Trump must break the backs of our enemies the socialists who are behind this. |
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Posted: 10/24/2018 1:50:12 AM EDT
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Posse Comitatus would not apply to repelling foreign invaders regardless of whether not hostilities have been declared against the country from which the invaders are coming from. Frankly I think that Trump should declare that a state of war exists between the US and Mexico but that no action shall be taken against Mexico except at the border. Any person attempting to cross the border shall be considered an insurgent in time of war which means we can shoot them. This engineered crisis has to be nipped in the bud, HARD. This is really a make-or-break power play and Trump must break the backs of our enemies the socialists who are behind this. |
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Posted: 10/24/2018 2:01:38 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/24/2018 2:04:29 AM EDT
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in a thread full of retardation this is some next level retardation. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posse Comitatus would not apply to repelling foreign invaders regardless of whether not hostilities have been declared against the country from which the invaders are coming from. Frankly I think that Trump should declare that a state of war exists between the US and Mexico but that no action shall be taken against Mexico except at the border. Any person attempting to cross the border shall be considered an insurgent in time of war which means we can shoot them. This engineered crisis has to be nipped in the bud, HARD. This is really a make-or-break power play and Trump must break the backs of our enemies the socialists who are behind this. There's already confirmations of gang members and random people from the Middle East, Asia, and Africa. Do they need to wear brightly colored t-shirts stating they're enemies before we can react? Pussyfooting about the border is how millions have gotten in for years. Do you suggest we just let in another 7000 in one swoop? Why not right? |
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Posted: 10/24/2018 2:10:20 AM EDT
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Posse Comitatus would not apply to repelling foreign invaders regardless of whether not hostilities have been declared against the country from which the invaders are coming from. Frankly I think that Trump should declare that a state of war exists between the US and Mexico but that no action shall be taken against Mexico except at the border. Any person attempting to cross the border shall be considered an insurgent in time of war which means we can shoot them. This engineered crisis has to be nipped in the bud, HARD. This is really a make-or-break power play and Trump must break the backs of our enemies the socialists who are behind this. |
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Posted: 10/24/2018 2:15:38 AM EDT
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Defending the border against a foreign invasion is not a violation of Posse Comitatus Act. |
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Posted: 10/24/2018 2:50:00 AM EDT
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He could possibly declare imminent domain on the border and make it federal land. Another aspect use general support troops for domestic emergencies.
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Posted: 10/24/2018 3:06:46 AM EDT
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Do you think these people are going to simply peacefully turn around and walk back to Honduras ? |
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Posted: 10/24/2018 3:32:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: just simply drag an estimated 10,000 people (plus however many mexicans also decide to make a run with them) back across the border? you do realize we're not playing red rover on the playground right? "throw their electronics in the river" guess there'll be a river conveniently located right where they'll attempt to cross? you won't be able to silence the media on this. there's already too much attention. We have surveillance from the air. We can put full battalions in front of them if we want. |
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Posted: 10/24/2018 5:36:56 AM EDT
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Another convenient player is looking at this..the cartels. It's the absolute last thing they want is increased fed presence..up to and including Mil. Who's to say these key players, leading the vanguard in this..dont mysteriously start disappearing in an attempt to cut the head off the snake that's threatening their business?
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Posted: 10/24/2018 5:49:48 AM EDT
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and mexico, a country trump has shit on relentlessly since he kicked off his campaign is going to just go along with what's convenient for the trump admin? again I'll say it, "progressive agents" whatever deep state boogeyman bullshit that is won't need to do anything. the militia types have been looking for a reason to start shooting for years. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Trick is to stop the invaders short of the border, in order to avoid US-directed/blamed bloodshed. Agreed that some irresponsible militia types might take some shots at the invaders if presented with opportunity. More likely that Progressive armed agents will try to do similar to provoke things. That would be in the best interest of the Progs, and I suspect that they are funded/directed to do such. IMHO. |
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Posted: 10/24/2018 6:37:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Our ancestors would've attacked Mexico by now. |
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Posted: 10/24/2018 6:42:02 AM EDT
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Uh......they are going to California. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Trick is to stop the invaders short of the border, in order to avoid US-directed/blamed bloodshed. Agreed that some irresponsible militia types might take some shots at the invaders if presented with opportunity. More likely that Progressive armed agents will try to do similar to provoke things. That would be in the best interest of the Progs, and I suspect that they are funded/directed to do such. IMHO. Why people respond to him is beyond me. |
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Posted: 10/24/2018 7:45:47 AM EDT
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This needs to be stopped the Israeli way:
1) Infiltrate the caravan, get at least one person on each bus 2) Send a commando force to intercept the caravan in between towns on open road. 3) With the help of infiltrators arrest the bus drivers and the leaders 4) Disable buses and any other transport vehicles. Have people get out and set the vehicles on fire 5) Offer people $200 gift cards to go back as a gesture of goodwill |
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Posted: 10/24/2018 7:56:35 AM EDT
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hawaiinate is an open borders troll Why people respond to him is beyond me. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Trick is to stop the invaders short of the border, in order to avoid US-directed/blamed bloodshed. Agreed that some irresponsible militia types might take some shots at the invaders if presented with opportunity. More likely that Progressive armed agents will try to do similar to provoke things. That would be in the best interest of the Progs, and I suspect that they are funded/directed to do such. IMHO. Why people respond to him is beyond me. I should have known this but I cannot remember...…….there are MANY democrats here nowadays. |
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Posted: 10/24/2018 7:59:20 AM EDT
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This needs to be stopped the Israeli way: 1) Infiltrate the caravan, get at least one person on each bus 2) Send a commando force to intercept the caravan in between towns on open road. 3) With the help of infiltrators arrest the bus drivers and the leaders 4) Disable buses and any other transport vehicles. Have people get out and set the vehicles on fire 5) Offer people $200 gift cards to go back as a gesture of goodwill 
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Posted: 10/24/2018 8:06:15 AM EDT
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No matter, the illegals are gonna be let in and a couple years from now there will be several small revolutions around CA, OR, Ill, AZ, TX and FL.
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Posted: 10/24/2018 8:13:48 AM EDT
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No matter, the illegals are gonna be let in and a couple years from now there will be several small revolutions around CA, OR, Ill, AZ, TX and FL. |
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Posted: 10/24/2018 8:15:05 AM EDT
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I know folks who have a ranch on the Rio Grande, had it for 80 years in the family. They have a wonderful family with cute kids and this is bad ju ju. They are nice people but fed up with all of the American tears for the caravan as they are in fear for their children and it all is at stake. They needs some prayers as do the rest of the Americans who live on this side of the border. The Border Patrol is going to be busy.
 . This crisis is the perfect weapon for the evil lefties.
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Posted: 10/24/2018 8:18:10 AM EDT
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The US Mexico border should look a whole lot more like the NORK South border imho. Mines, machine guns, wire, towers, guards, you know like a legitimate border.  |
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Posted: 10/24/2018 8:21:50 AM EDT
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He isn't. He'll probably get the Governors to send more national guardsmen and continue to do what they're currently doing...watching and reporting. |
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Posted: 10/24/2018 8:32:56 AM EDT
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hawaiinate is an open borders troll Why people respond to him is beyond me. |
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Posted: 10/24/2018 9:06:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ya, we have them and they are very effective, but no matter what we do, things are going to be pushed that it was the wrong action to take, so the direct approach is the best approach, if they can be stopped until after the mid terms it would still not play well but it would be better. No matter what gets done, many people are not going to be happy, so do what needs to be done beside injuring them and move forward. I just don't understand people who would abandon Trump knowing what the dems what to do to this country. |
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Posted: 10/24/2018 9:16:49 AM EDT
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feel free to be one of the dumbasses that goes to the border to valiantly fend off the invasion... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've said it in other threads, and I'll say it in this one: They must be stopped at all costs. If you don't stop this one it will take 20 Army divisions to stop the next one. |
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Posted: 10/24/2018 9:18:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I just don't understand people who would abandon Trump knowing what the dems what to do to this country. As far as Trump, right now I am 100% behind him, he has a difficult and tricky task in hands right now and he needs to be listening to his advisers, he needs to make the decisions, but not without knowledgeable people helping him. This is not the time to be winging it. |
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Posted: 10/24/2018 9:28:19 AM EDT
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I don't think the Op understands how it works...
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Posted: 10/24/2018 9:30:27 AM EDT
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The communists will be throwing babies under the tanks and their Marxist press will be conveniently right there cameras rollin'
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Posted: 10/24/2018 9:46:50 AM EDT
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 "Aliens" Sentry Guns Scenes |
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Posted: 10/24/2018 9:48:13 AM EDT
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Oops.
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Posted: 10/24/2018 10:05:13 AM EDT
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It's not a military invasion or one otherwise involving force of arms. It's a large group of people who will be attempting to break the law by entering unlawfully, which naturally makes it a law enforcement issue. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How is an invasion of foreigners a law enforcement issue? |
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Posted: 10/24/2018 10:18:36 AM EDT
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I don't think the Op understands how it works... 
Dude I asked a question, I did not just write a comment. Typical GD answer, noticed you don't know how it works either, as all you posted was typical GD crap. Please leave |
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Posted: 10/24/2018 10:25:00 AM EDT
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Rome payed the barbarians to go away. It didn’t work long term. You see it just encourages more. Those of you suggesting violence is absolutely not an option are thinking very short term. Long term it is the only option.
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Posted: 10/24/2018 3:12:01 PM EDT
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I'm amazed how many of you think it's even in the realm of possibility that we're going to use force against this caravan.
What world are you living in? Have you paid attention to the media or politics at all in your lifetime? I'll give the Dems some credit, this was a masterstroke trap right before the election. Well executed. |
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Posted: 10/24/2018 3:18:12 PM EDT
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I am thinking this guy could interdict the invasion column.
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Posted: 10/24/2018 3:19:01 PM EDT
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I'm amazed how many of you think it's even in the realm of possibility that we're going to use force against this caravan. What world are you living in? Have you paid attention to the media or politics at all in your lifetime? I'll give the Dems some credit, this was a masterstroke trap right before the election. Well executed. |
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