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I have the taller brother. '17 1290 SAR

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I saw a gun owner do something stupid once.

LOL at gun owners?

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Do most gun owners go around with wanton disregard for their own safety and the safety of others? And/or daring you to get into an altercation with them? LOL.

P.S. My point is aimed at the average biker gang wanna-be.

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The massive amount of horse manure on the roads here keep me toward the left side of the road.

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4 pages of discussion about Harley riders get to enjoy noise and vibration without the harmful side effect of horsepower.

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This week's Thursday Harley thread two days early. Odd.

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He is leaning off the bike in the turn, towards the apex of the turn. This is called "shifting your weight", or "hanging off the bike" while countersteering. What this does is enable you to turn tighter, or faster, without using up all of your traction points by leaning the motorcycle. This also causes the suspension to ride higher, and has the added effect of not scraping hard parts on the pavement. This technique is used primarily by sportbike riders on closed courses, but is taught in the Advanced Rider's Course. This is not to be confused with "turning your bike by leaning in the direction without countersteering", which is usually done by inexperienced riders.



That sentence is so full of WTF that I can barely translate it in my head, but I will try. ALL motorcycles experience gyroscopic effect from the motion of the wheels at speeds above 5mph. On a V-Twin bike (not just Harleys), they also experience some gyroscopic effect from the motion of the engine. This gyroscopic motion is what enables a motorcycle to remain upright at speed. Without it, all motorcycles would need training wheels. Now, as to the assertion that "Harley's cannot weave in and out of traffic at 80mph"...I assure you, they can. What affects the degree to which they can weave is rake, trail, and weight. Sportbikes have shorter rake and trail (with the exception of a stretched out 'Busa), weigh significantly less, so therefore are more maneuverable. This is referred to as "flickability", or the ease of being able to transition from left to right. In order to manuver a big twin bike in the manner of a sportbike requires signifigantly more force at the handlebars, and due to the total wheelbase, rake, and trail of your typical big twin, no matter how much force you put to the bars, it will still not match a sportbike for maneuverability. Now, as to ape hangars...Archimedes once said "Give me a place to stand on, and I will move the Earth." This is referring to levers, which handlebars are essentially levers that are used to move the bike left and right, along with a few controls for stop and go. Yes, ape hangars that are stupidly high overall make the bike harder to control. Apes that are shoulder high, however, act as a longer lever on the same weight bike. For example, I ride an Indian Roadmaster. I recently had opportunity to ride a Chieftain with mini-apes installed. It was MUCH easier to initiate a turn on the Chieftain than on my Roadmaster, due to the added leverage from the apes.

If you want my credentials, I have been riding for almost eight years, I have taken the Basic Rider's Course, Basic Rider's Course-2, and the Advanced Rider's Course, and am MSF certified to teach all three.

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This is now a Harley pic thread, for all the haters!!!!!





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ETA- I need to take a more recent pic now that I have black highway pegs, need to black out the passenger pegs also I see. It's a work in progress to me so in time I'll have it all done.

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I think mine will hit 60 in second gear, but haven't been able to ride it in a couple of years due to health issues.  Tops out at like 115 or 120, but gets there really, really fast.  V-Rod Muscle.

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4 pages of discussion about Harley riders get to enjoy noise and vibration without the harmful side effect of horsepower.

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I ride sport and dual-sport bikes. Can't stand straight-pipe Harley assholes. Hate 'em with every fiber of my being.

Last week I was driving home from a camping trip with the wife on the interstate and a pair of straight-pipers was ahead of us. One in each lane, going the same exact speed, so that no one could pass. One had a T-shirt with big white letters on the back that read "ASSHOLE". I always knew that those guys are going for the title of biggest douche, but that proved it beyond the shadow of a doubt. Here's to hoping that "ASSHOLE" finds himself being dragged under a large truck at some point.

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Lane split them with your car.

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-They spend a lot of money on those machines, but they can't seem to afford mufflers?

I mean, they can't ALL have tiny dicks, right?

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What sucks the most about having a "moment" with another driver is that it tends to ruin the rest of my ride.  Happy face goes to sad face.

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Because twin cams is in !!! 'Cause its hi-tech.
And pushrods are sooooooo reliable.

So Harley uses both. Twice as hi-tech.

Why the ever loving fuck would you put twin cams in a crankcase,
to drive pushrods ?
WTF.

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It's not just the bike, it's the rider...

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Do most gun owners go around with wanton disregard for their own safety and the safety of others? And/or daring you to get into an altercation with them? LOL.

P.S. My point is aimed at the average biker gang wanna-be.

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No, and neither do most Motorcyclist.

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Nope. Nice try, but I shoot at the range and in the field. Not the same as riding through residential neighborhoods revving your unmuffled engines so folks will notice you. It's abundantly clear that the folks in question make as much noise as possible.

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Well, I think you're kinda ignoring the reality of analogous complaints (even on ARFCOM) about noise from use of muzzle brakes devices on rifles at ranges. Loud pipe complaints are analogous to muzzle brake complaints.  Performance pipes and muzzle brakes each bring improved performance characteristics to their respective applications. People whose ears are offended by the increased noises from either scenario often assume the worst of the "offending party" and generalize that their environment is intentionally under attack; even if that is not the case.  Assholes will be assholes in both shooting and motorcycle realms, but generalizing and disparaging groups is pretty weak...

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The massive amount of horse manure on the roads here keep me toward the left side of the road.

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Hooray! Time for everyone to post their favorite confirmation bias story!

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I ride sport and dual-sport bikes. Can't stand straight-pipe Harley assholes. Hate 'em with every fiber of my being.

Last week I was driving home from a camping trip with the wife on the interstate and a pair of straight-pipers was ahead of us. One in each lane, going the same exact speed, so that no one could pass. One had a T-shirt with big white letters on the back that read "ASSHOLE". I always knew that those guys are going for the title of biggest douche, but that proved it beyond the shadow of a doubt. Here's to hoping that "ASSHOLE" finds himself being dragged under a large truck at some point.

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Yeah, because the leather/denim, patched up vest wearing loud-piper is running straght pipes primarily for performance gains. If he wants increased performance, then he should climb on a sport bike. For the record, I can't stand sport bike squids who run loud pipes to try to make their bikes sound like a Ferrari either. When I rode a Ninja, I did not outfit it with such racket producing devices in an effort to gain an HP or two. I was always the weak link in the chain. Just like 99% of ALL riders are the weak link and not their bikes. Even cruisers. People are delusional and full of shit when it comes to thinking they're utilizing 100% of their bike's performance envelope.

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So we should all just be like you then, right? My new goal is to be just like Red_Label in everything from now on, because fuck freedom and being able to do what you want to do, if Red_Label don't approve how the fuck dare you go against what he wishes!!
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Harley riders Gun owners don't care about freedom, they care about impressing other gun owners Harley riders.

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What sucks the most about having a "moment" with another driver is that it tends to ruin the rest of my ride.  Happy face goes to sad face.

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 For fucks sake, you haters are really making this comical now!! lmao  you are right, because all Harley riders are the same, just like all gun owners are also then!!

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Like I've said several times, to each his own, but owning a chrome-clad "look-at-me" land barge with freedom pipes doesn't make you king of the road.  It's not the bike I have a problem with, it's the superiority complex and childish need for constant attention that often accompany it..

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Again, are you saying it's every single harley rider that personifies this image to you? Cause if you're lumping every harley rider into this catgory then you have some serious issue's. A harley rider steal your wife, or dog maybe? This is no different than lumping all gun owners into a bad group because of the actions of a few bad ones that have been brought to the attention of the population in part thanks to the biased fake news generating media we all love and care for so much. But hey, if this is what you choose to hate on, far be it for me to get in your way. Keep on hating on brotha!!

I swear the things some of you guys get your panties in a bunch over sometimes really make's me go

In all seriousness besides the unsafe/jackass driving parts of this thread, which I agree as a harley rider, are fucked up, why the fuck do you even care about all the other stupid ass shit you guys are whining about?? Pipes blah blah blah, performance blah blah blah, leather clad patched vests blah blah blah, some of you need to get the fuck over yourselves!!

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you haters are really making this comical now!! lmao  you are right, because all Harley riders are the same, just like all gun owners are also then!!

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We were getting off an off ramp and there was a bike that missed the ramp and he was backing up in the breakdown lane to take the ramp. Of course we were exiting at around 35-40mph and couldn't/didn't want to stop to let him take his sweet time backing up and getting onto the offramp. He pulls up behind us about 20 seconds later rides my tail and revs the crap out of his bike then looks at me and shakes his head.

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I honestly can not believe how many post on this website that are just such miserable fucks.  Their lives suck so much that they need to bitch about X group.  They can't even get through the day without coming up with a group to hate.  Maybe you should learn to relax a little.  Maybe take a rider safety course and learn to ride a motorcycle.
So driving too fast for conditions and then you can't even take the time to be safe for another human being?  Would have been a shame if your drive was 5 seconds longer.  How would you ever get somewhere.  
Unless of course you did not see him "miss the ramp".  And are just making shit up to talk smack.

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Why do some of the large groups do the thing where they will block a green-light intersection to let the rest of their group make it through a (now red) light?
That happened to someone I know a few week back.

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I didn't realize Harleys pissed people off so much......or I wouldn't have sold mine.
I may have to buy another.

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Some big groups are riding for a "cause" which must mean traffic laws don't apply to them, else they get separated on their way from one place to another to raise awareness for something somewhere.

Granted, some groups do some real good, but what you're talking about is usually more about staying with the pack.