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Posted: 1/11/2019 6:47:28 PM EST
[#1]
When is Keltec going to make guns that aren't screwed together like my 80s Rambo squirt gun? They have some neat designs, but they all look like shit that shouldn't be taken seriously.
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Posted: 1/11/2019 6:47:33 PM EST
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I really wanted a KSG till I shot one. Even though it wasn't a fun experience what I still would probably buy is an updated version and that also automatically switches to the next tube.
I didn't find the KSG heavy and a lighter version is probably just going to kick harder and be even less pleasant to shoot.... |
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Posted: 1/11/2019 6:48:36 PM EST
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The PMR functions using 40gr and above for me (IAW the manual). The lighter loads induce FTF & FTE. I just got my CMR barrel back after shortening and pinning a flash hider for 16" OAL. On the fence on whether to scope or red dot. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/92018/IMG_1322_jpg-804383.JPG |
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Posted: 1/11/2019 6:49:20 PM EST
[#4]
Thats a weird looking shotgun, and I want it. |
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Posted: 1/11/2019 7:00:11 PM EST
[#5]
As with a lot of Kel-tec stuff, it has my attention.
They've only managed to sell me a P32, though. The pistol, if it works - and the mag worries me - would be hella fun. The Shotgun... someone above compared it to a Shockwave. Mossberg and Remington have sold the shit out of those, and if this truely similar in size and weight... it would be much more useful. (which is easy, since a Shockwave is nearly useLESS) |
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Posted: 1/11/2019 7:02:20 PM EST
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FPNI
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Posted: 1/11/2019 7:08:39 PM EST
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Posted: 1/11/2019 7:12:15 PM EST
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pistol looks alot like the B&T https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/images/415001043.jpg Rail is independent of the slide so the dot stays on target. This Kel-Tec has more in common with something like a Ruger MkIV or a S&W Victory. |
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Posted: 1/11/2019 7:16:41 PM EST
[#9]
They will make 2 of each.
Kel Tech dealings awesome shit but can’t produce guns. They need to use contract manufacturers to scale production. |
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Posted: 1/11/2019 7:24:43 PM EST
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Derp. Kel-Tec is missing out on huge profits by not meeting demand. But that makes me an anti-capitalist for calling them out on bad business decisions... https://media.giphy.com/media/Fml0fgAxVx1eM/giphy.gif Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't care what Kel-Tec's production numbers are. When you can't meet demand for your product, you have a problem. The PMR30 was extremely sought after and Kel-Tec is stupid for creating a secondary market of insane prices because they can't put out enough to meet the demand. https://media.giphy.com/media/Fml0fgAxVx1eM/giphy.gif Wait a year for a Kel Tech product that will never ship and be happy commie. |
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Posted: 1/11/2019 7:24:48 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's .22lr and 30rd mags It looks like just a .22lr version of the PMR30 |
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Posted: 1/11/2019 7:27:31 PM EST
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Yeah they should invest a half million dollars in extra tooling that they won’t pay off for about five years just to meet your demand in a market that they can’t control because all these fucking gun laws people want to make. What great business sense that makes. Not only do you completely understand capitalism, it seems you must have a PhD in economics as well. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't care what Kel-Tec's production numbers are. When you can't meet demand for your product, you have a problem. The PMR30 was extremely sought after and Kel-Tec is stupid for creating a secondary market of insane prices because they can't put out enough to meet the demand. https://media.giphy.com/media/Fml0fgAxVx1eM/giphy.gif What great business sense that makes. Not only do you completely understand capitalism, it seems you must have a PhD in economics as well. |
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Posted: 1/11/2019 7:27:42 PM EST
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Is that the Grendel P30 version 3.0?
ETA nvm is lr |
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Posted: 1/11/2019 7:39:32 PM EST
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The PMR functions using 40gr and above for me (IAW the manual). The lighter loads induce FTF & FTE. I just got my CMR barrel back after shortening and pinning a flash hider for 16" OAL. On the fence on whether to scope or red dot. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/92018/IMG_1322_jpg-804383.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I bought a PMR30 and it has never functioned 100%. It's a fun range blaster but nothing more. I have zero confidence that the CP33 will ever feed reliably. Cool concept though. If they come up with a .22LR rifle version, I will own one, if I can ever actually see one.  I just got my CMR barrel back after shortening and pinning a flash hider for 16" OAL. On the fence on whether to scope or red dot. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/92018/IMG_1322_jpg-804383.JPG |
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Posted: 1/11/2019 7:50:28 PM EST
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Taking a KSG and making it hold fewer rounds seems like a step backwards. 
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Posted: 1/11/2019 7:51:27 PM EST
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Bullpup guns seem like a great idea .... until you've seen your 20th gun kaboom with a boom.
I'd prefer that kaboom happen a foot or two in front of my face instead of pressed up against the side of my head. |
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Posted: 1/11/2019 7:58:10 PM EST
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For Kel Tecs size they punch way above their weight in innovation.
They have some truly innovative and interesting designs out. Hate on their quality control all you want but at least they're not Remington producing the same old tires designs poorly. |
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Posted: 1/11/2019 8:01:04 PM EST
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I've got a CMR. I am seriously tempted to SBR it. They look really good at about 10". Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I bought a PMR30 and it has never functioned 100%. It's a fun range blaster but nothing more. I have zero confidence that the CP33 will ever feed reliably. Cool concept though. If they come up with a .22LR rifle version, I will own one, if I can ever actually see one. I just got my CMR barrel back after shortening and pinning a flash hider for 16" OAL. On the fence on whether to scope or red dot. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/92018/IMG_1322_jpg-804383.JPG |
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Posted: 1/11/2019 8:24:58 PM EST
[#19]
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When is Keltec going to make guns that aren't screwed together like my 80s Rambo squirt gun? They have some neat designs, but they all look like shit that shouldn't be taken seriously. |
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Posted: 1/11/2019 8:27:29 PM EST
[#20]
looks like an elevator ride straight to hell
eta: second one needs a VFG, zig zag stock, and happy switch |
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Posted: 1/11/2019 8:32:17 PM EST
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The PMR functions using 40gr and above for me (IAW the manual). The lighter loads induce FTF & FTE. I just got my CMR barrel back after shortening and pinning a flash hider for 16" OAL. On the fence on whether to scope or red dot. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/92018/IMG_1322_jpg-804383.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I bought a PMR30 and it has never functioned 100%. It's a fun range blaster but nothing more. I have zero confidence that the CP33 will ever feed reliably. Cool concept though. If they come up with a .22LR rifle version, I will own one, if I can ever actually see one. I just got my CMR barrel back after shortening and pinning a flash hider for 16" OAL. On the fence on whether to scope or red dot. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/92018/IMG_1322_jpg-804383.JPG |
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Posted: 1/11/2019 8:36:01 PM EST
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That's a lot of boolits in that pistola.
Kel-Tec really needs to hire an industrial designer. |
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Posted: 1/11/2019 8:39:45 PM EST
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Wife "Honey why did you buy a kel-tec?" Husband "They were all out of hi-points."
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Posted: 1/11/2019 8:43:05 PM EST
[#24]
I think that pistol looks pretty badass... in fact I think the shotgun does too... although I wonder how much that thing punishes you..
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Posted: 1/11/2019 8:45:54 PM EST
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I'm not sure I really get the appeal of either one. The KSG is already very compact with high capacity for a shotgun, why make it shorter and lose rounds? Also what the hell is going on with that handle? They try to make it shorter and then nearly double the height with that...thing?
The pistol is a bit more interesting, but I don't care much for "tactical" .22lr pistols. For me, the fun of a .22lr is accuracy. If I'm taking a .22lr pistol to the range it would a target model Ruger or something similar. |
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Posted: 1/11/2019 8:52:46 PM EST
[#26]
 J Jonah Jameson Laugh - Spiderman |
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Posted: 1/11/2019 8:54:57 PM EST
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I read on another site that the shotguns msrp is $495, if they are around $350 street I will be buying one.
And if their 33rd 22lr mags are reliable they will have revolutionized the market, even the new mk 4 hasn't been able to move away from 10rd mags. I am still waiting on what they will spit out for a full size 9mm handgun, which they hinted at like three years ago. Also for the guy who criticized the use of screwed together receivers. Can you not imagine the cost difference between standard style molds and 3d super complicated molds? I guess they could sonic weld the parts together but I don't think it would be as strong. The RDB can be had for like $700, while the X95 for example is like $1700, if it wasn't the receiver you would say a Kel-tec that costs as much as a Tavor is a joke. |
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Posted: 1/11/2019 8:55:29 PM EST
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If they would just get rid of that awful waffle texture, their guns would look 87% less cheap. |
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Posted: 1/11/2019 8:56:36 PM EST
[#29]
Those are as ugly as a mud fence. What the fuck?
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Posted: 1/11/2019 9:14:53 PM EST
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Taking a KSG and making it hold fewer rounds seems like a step backwards. |
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Posted: 1/11/2019 9:26:28 PM EST
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Gross. Where is the semi auto KSG variant? |
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Posted: 1/11/2019 10:13:34 PM EST
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Minus the gross part I want a semi-auto KSG |
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Posted: 1/11/2019 10:19:18 PM EST
[#33]
I'll buy that cp33 when my dealer gets one in 2025.
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Posted: 1/11/2019 10:21:20 PM EST
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I'll buy that cp33 when my dealer gets one in 2025.
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Posted: 1/11/2019 10:25:20 PM EST
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I bet with that finger support thing on the side you can bump fire this thing haha https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/319551/cp33_jpg-804067.JPG |
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Posted: 1/11/2019 10:26:47 PM EST
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That shotgun looks like the pulse rifle from Aliens...by that virtue alone, I kinda want one  |
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Posted: 1/11/2019 10:30:31 PM EST
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Posted: 1/11/2019 10:30:44 PM EST
[#38]
How are they still in business?
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Posted: 1/11/2019 10:32:12 PM EST
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How are they still in business? |
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Posted: 1/12/2019 12:12:32 AM EST
[#40]
Definitely do want CP33. Always wish my '68 S&W41 had much more mag capacity. Fun should last longer.
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Posted: 1/12/2019 12:16:47 AM EST
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Because they don't have debt and making firearms is just a side business. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How are they still in business? What would their primary business be? I haven't been to the factory in about a decade, but last time I was there, the entire property was 100% dedicated to firearms production... |
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Posted: 1/12/2019 12:42:04 AM EST
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if the pistol actually works it will be a ton of fun |
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Posted: 1/12/2019 12:43:20 AM EST
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Kinda want.
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Posted: 1/12/2019 12:49:44 AM EST
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Looks like a ksg. But half as much ammo and a g36 rail.
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Posted: 1/12/2019 12:51:44 AM EST
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That pistol could be fun, i thought it was going to be a 22mag. 22lr in a gamer chassis pistol.... sure.
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Posted: 1/12/2019 1:02:36 AM EST
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Subcontract it out and assemble it in house. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't care what Kel-Tec's production numbers are. When you can't meet demand for your product, you have a problem. The PMR30 was extremely sought after and Kel-Tec is stupid for creating a secondary market of insane prices because they can't put out enough to meet the demand. https://media.giphy.com/media/Fml0fgAxVx1eM/giphy.gif What great business sense that makes. Not only do you completely understand capitalism, it seems you must have a PhD in economics as well. |
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Posted: 1/12/2019 1:06:20 AM EST
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I read on another site that the shotguns msrp is $495, if they are around $350 street I will be buying one. Lower price + improved mechanical reliability + existing short profile of KSG = a real winner. At $350-$450 I think KelTec will sell a ton of them. I know I'll snag one if the reviews are favorable. |
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Posted: 1/12/2019 1:09:20 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The more I think about it, the more excited I am for the KS7. Lower price + improved mechanical reliability + existing short profile of KSG = a real winner. At $350-$450 I think KelTec will sell a ton of them. I know I'll snag one if the reviews are favorable. ETA: Add semi-auto then “OMG!”... It’s the auto-loading bullpup 12g Glock should have done but Kel-Tec beat them to it. |
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Posted: 1/12/2019 1:11:12 AM EST
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Every time Kel-Tec does this I hem and haw over how cool it is. Sometimes I land on cool. Then realize Nerf also makes cool guns. I'd rather buy Nerf.
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Posted: 1/12/2019 1:46:40 AM EST
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Take that ridiculous carry-handle off and, meh...sort of want. 1. Plastic CH lowers production cost vs machined aluminum rail of KSG 2. Provides quick and simple integral sight at the proper height for inline stock, further lowering cost to consumer as no need to buy sights vs buying RDS+Riser for KSG. 
3. Looks cool, similar to the M41A and Morita space gats: 
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