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Posted: 1/16/2019 3:26:07 PM EDT
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Nah I’m full of shit, it was 4.x cpr, but under .05, which is my “buy now” price. Had to go check it’s been a few months.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I bought a case of CCI minimags for less than 2.5cpr. Plenty of 22 available, stack it deep. Quoted:
The Econ/biz-running debate has made this thread totally suck. |
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Posted: 1/16/2019 4:38:08 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/16/2019 4:40:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryHey look a KS7 with a top rail 
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Posted: 1/16/2019 4:40:39 PM EDT
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quad stack magazine?! Cool.
Ugly fucking gun but cool magazine. |
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Posted: 1/16/2019 5:14:30 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/16/2019 5:15:14 PM EDT
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50 round mags with extension!
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Posted: 1/16/2019 5:20:12 PM EDT
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That answers two of my questions
50rds = i hate the stupid euro mag catch less now. |
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Posted: 1/16/2019 5:27:44 PM EDT
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50 round mags with extension!  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOP7pxFZUHo
from the comments: Jeremy S. Jeremy S. 5 hours ago It had only a few feeding issues on the first round or two in the magazine related mostly to the single-digit temperatures getting the lubrication all gummed up and thick and slowing the bolt down. Kel-Tec is used to their Florida weather haha. There were one or two mid-magazine feeding stoppages due to a round being rimlocked behind the next round in the magazine, that was also exacerbated by slow bolt speeds due to thick lube. Overall they ran really well with multiple brands of ammo. And we shot A LOT of rounds! I hope I have the opportunity to buy this in the next 6 months before our stupid new WA state laws kick in |
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Posted: 1/16/2019 5:38:20 PM EDT
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hope they have a patent on those mags cause everyone is gonna try to copy them.
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Posted: 1/16/2019 9:32:18 PM EDT
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Wow the version of the KS7 with the longer barrel and top rail really does resemble the Halo shotgun.
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Posted: 1/16/2019 9:55:08 PM EDT
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hope they have a patent on those mags cause everyone is gonna try to copy them. So it should be patented already. Either way I'm thinking that is going to be something I buy. |
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Posted: 1/17/2019 8:55:46 AM EDT
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Wow the version of the KS7 with the longer barrel and top rail really does resemble the Halo shotgun. 2. the original Halo shotgun was top loading
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Posted: 1/17/2019 11:53:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 1. that's a longer mag tube, not a longer barrel. 2. the original Halo shotgun was top loading
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/halo/images/e/e6/M90_Shotgun_%28Torch_Side%29.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20100505170325 I've actually thought for awhile that top loading shotguns would be a improvement / much easier to load. |
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Posted: 1/23/2019 8:39:24 PM EDT
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I . . . fucking. . . want . . . this I hope I have the opportunity to buy this in the next 6 months before our stupid new WA state laws kick in Quote HistoryQuoted:
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50 round mags with extension! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOP7pxFZUHo
from the comments: Jeremy S. Jeremy S. 5 hours ago It had only a few feeding issues on the first round or two in the magazine related mostly to the single-digit temperatures getting the lubrication all gummed up and thick and slowing the bolt down. Kel-Tec is used to their Florida weather haha. There were one or two mid-magazine feeding stoppages due to a round being rimlocked behind the next round in the magazine, that was also exacerbated by slow bolt speeds due to thick lube. Overall they ran really well with multiple brands of ammo. And we shot A LOT of rounds! I hope I have the opportunity to buy this in the next 6 months before our stupid new WA state laws kick in |
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Posted: 1/23/2019 10:43:51 PM EDT
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50 round mags with extension! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOP7pxFZUHo
from the comments: Jeremy S. Jeremy S. 5 hours ago It had only a few feeding issues on the first round or two in the magazine related mostly to the single-digit temperatures getting the lubrication all gummed up and thick and slowing the bolt down. Kel-Tec is used to their Florida weather haha. There were one or two mid-magazine feeding stoppages due to a round being rimlocked behind the next round in the magazine, that was also exacerbated by slow bolt speeds due to thick lube. Overall they ran really well with multiple brands of ammo. And we shot A LOT of rounds! I hope I have the opportunity to buy this in the next 6 months before our stupid new WA state laws kick in |
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Posted: 1/24/2019 8:47:46 AM EDT
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In related news, Federal came out with their own mini shells that are supposed to be roughly equivalent to standard 2.75" loads.
(Now if they will cycle semi autos, it would be a game changer....) The videos I saw of them shooting slugs looked like they thumped pretty good, would be curious to see how their mini-buck looks. 
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Posted: 1/24/2019 1:47:28 PM EDT
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In related news, Federal came out with their own mini shells that are supposed to be roughly equivalent to standard 2.75" loads. (Now if they will cycle semi autos, it would be a game changer....) The videos I saw of them shooting slugs looked like they thumped pretty good, would be curious to see how their mini-buck looks. https://cdn0.thetruthaboutguns.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/mini-slug-feat.jpg |
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Posted: 1/24/2019 1:48:08 PM EDT
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Friends dont let friends by KelTec.
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Posted: 1/24/2019 2:17:36 PM EDT
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Friends dont let friends by KelTec. -bullpup shotgun that doesn't cost an arm and a leg -30+rd .22lr handgun |
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Posted: 1/24/2019 2:34:11 PM EDT
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Friends dont let friends by KelTec. |
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Posted: 1/24/2019 2:45:15 PM EDT
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Any competing products out there you'd like to suggest? -bullpup shotgun that doesn't cost an arm and a leg -30+rd .22lr handgun Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Friends dont let friends by KelTec. -bullpup shotgun that doesn't cost an arm and a leg -30+rd .22lr handgun |
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Posted: 1/25/2019 10:25:43 AM EDT
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My very first thought was the shotgun looked like it would be right at home with the Colonial Marines from Aliens, or could be their stand alone grenade "20mm grenade" launcher. Since it was about my favorite movie as a kid, I will probably get one. I wonder if the aesthetics were purposefully chosen or coincidental? |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 12:42:56 PM EDT
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Kinda skimmed the thread so I'm sure it's been already mentioned anything Kel Tec releases is unobtanium in the beginning. CP33 looks tempting, but I'll wait a while. I'm sure the first waves will be in boring black only. Also hate being the guinea pig. Have fun with all the teething issues for you early adopters.
When the Gen 2 flavor is out, early bird bugs worked out and Cerakote color options are plentiful then I'll probably pounce. I have a Dead Air Mask that would be perfect up front. Sadly they made the barrel a bit too long. Should have been shortened back to 4.5 inches to keep bulk pack stuff from going supersonic with a can up front. I know the aftermarket guys will be all over this like stink on you know what so maybe a replacement front end rail that is a bit shorter would allow for a shaved back barrel? Curious to know what the inner diameter is of that rail currently on it? If you could have the barrel shaved back a bit and tuck the can inside......................? Might have to make some inquiries with KT. Also its inevitable that someone in the aftermarket is going to conjure up a pistol brace for this thing. I'd also bet KT will release a carbine aka CMR style flavor of this thing at some point. So in a few years once all that has happened then I'll want one of these. For those of you that pounce now, best of luck. I hate paying over MSRP so its worth the wait.
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Posted: 1/27/2019 1:38:44 PM EDT
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I have three gunshops with my name on a list for a CP33.
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Posted: 1/27/2019 1:53:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 1. that's a longer mag tube, not a longer barrel. 2. the original Halo shotgun was top loading
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/halo/images/e/e6/M90_Shotgun_%28Torch_Side%29.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20100505170325 |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 3:05:28 PM EDT
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hope they have a patent on those mags cause everyone is gonna try to copy them. |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 3:06:46 PM EDT
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https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/avp/images/8/8f/M41A_Pulse_Rifle.png/revision/latest?cb=20130524131631https://www.tk560.com/weapons2/weapons-Images/2.jpg https://www.alloutdoor.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/KS7_DSC7509web.jpg https://nerdist.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Aliens-M41A-Pulse-Rifle.jpg https://www.alloutdoor.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/KS7_OD_right_DSC9625hires.jpg My very first thought was the shotgun looked like it would be right at home with the Colonial Marines from Aliens, or could be their stand alone grenade "20mm grenade" launcher. Since it was about my favorite movie as a kid, I will probably get one. I wonder if the aesthetics were purposefully chosen or coincidental? |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 3:17:01 PM EDT
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https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/avp/images/8/8f/M41A_Pulse_Rifle.png/revision/latest?cb=20130524131631https://www.tk560.com/weapons2/weapons-Images/2.jpg https://www.alloutdoor.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/KS7_DSC7509web.jpg https://nerdist.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Aliens-M41A-Pulse-Rifle.jpg https://www.alloutdoor.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/KS7_OD_right_DSC9625hires.jpg My very first thought was the shotgun looked like it would be right at home with the Colonial Marines from Aliens, or could be their stand alone grenade "20mm grenade" launcher. Since it was about my favorite movie as a kid, I will probably get one. I wonder if the aesthetics were purposefully chosen or coincidental?
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Posted: 1/27/2019 3:50:40 PM EDT
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It's funny how opinions can change when you have time to think about stuff.
I originally thought that the CP33 would be fun, and between the two products, it had all of my interest. But the more I think about it, the more loading 33 rounds of .22lr into a mag is going to seriously suck unless there's a genius way of doing it. Compare that to the mag loaders available for the typical 10 round stick mags, and those are probably easier to shoot high volume for a long range session. On the other hand, I saw no value in the KS7 at first. Now that I see the pricing, size, and weight of it, this could be a damn good alternative to those Shockwave things. |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 3:59:55 PM EDT
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It's funny how opinions can change when you have time to think about stuff. I originally thought that the CP33 would be fun, and between the two products, it had all of my interest. But the more I think about it, the more loading 33 rounds of .22lr into a mag is going to seriously suck unless there's a genius way of doing it. Compare that to the mag loaders available for the typical 10 round stick mags, and those are probably easier to shoot high volume for a long range session. On the other hand, I saw no value in the KS7 at first. Now that I see the pricing, size, and weight of it, this could be a damn good alternative to those Shockwave things. |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 4:12:35 PM EDT
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Now I want a 50 round .22lr. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's funny how opinions can change when you have time to think about stuff. I originally thought that the CP33 would be fun, and between the two products, it had all of my interest. But the more I think about it, the more loading 33 rounds of .22lr into a mag is going to seriously suck unless there's a genius way of doing it. Compare that to the mag loaders available for the typical 10 round stick mags, and those are probably easier to shoot high volume for a long range session. On the other hand, I saw no value in the KS7 at first. Now that I see the pricing, size, and weight of it, this could be a damn good alternative to those Shockwave things. At 5 seconds per round, that time goes up to 4 minutes and 10 seconds.
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Posted: 1/27/2019 4:17:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you maintain an average pace of 3 seconds per round, it will take 2 minutes and 30 seconds of non-stop loading to fill a mag. At 5 seconds per round, that time goes up to 4 minutes and 10 seconds. now if someone comes out with a brace 
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Posted: 1/27/2019 4:56:43 PM EDT
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Im pretty excited about both of these. I am curious about the 33 round mag works well with the rimmed cases. Would be super fun plinking in the back yard. I wonder if the carry handle comes off of the shotty. Not crazy about that thing.
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Posted: 1/27/2019 8:09:13 PM EDT
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Im pretty excited about both of these. I am curious about the 33 round mag works well with the rimmed cases. Would be super fun plinking in the back yard. I wonder if the carry handle comes off of the shotty. Not crazy about that thing. They even had one set up that way in one of the videos. |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 8:12:31 PM EDT
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That's awesome. I've actually thought for awhile that top loading shotguns would be a improvement / much easier to load. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: 1. that's a longer mag tube, not a longer barrel. 2. the original Halo shotgun was top loading
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/halo/images/e/e6/M90_Shotgun_%28Torch_Side%29.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20100505170325 I've actually thought for awhile that top loading shotguns would be a improvement / much easier to load. |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 8:13:57 PM EDT
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Any competing products out there you'd like to suggest? -bullpup shotgun that doesn't cost an arm and a leg -30+rd .22lr handgun Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Friends dont let friends by KelTec. -bullpup shotgun that doesn't cost an arm and a leg -30+rd .22lr handgun |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 10:51:21 PM EDT
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It's funny how opinions can change when you have time to think about stuff. I originally thought that the CP33 would be fun, and between the two products, it had all of my interest. But the more I think about it, the more loading 33 rounds of .22lr into a mag is going to seriously suck unless there's a genius way of doing it. Compare that to the mag loaders available for the typical 10 round stick mags, and those are probably easier to shoot high volume for a long range session. On the other hand, I saw no value in the KS7 at first. Now that I see the pricing, size, and weight of it, this could be a damn good alternative to those Shockwave things. YMMV.
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Posted: 1/27/2019 11:37:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You don't have to load all 33. Usually I only put 10-15 tops into my PMR mags at a time. I have a couple of the 30+ rounder Glock mags for my Sub 2k. I usually only load 20 to 25 in those at a time. As that spring pressure near the end starts to get tough its not worth trying to squeeze in every round possible. Your thumbs will thank you. YMMV.I suspect they will make the cp-33 mags easier to work with though. |
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Posted: 2/2/2019 2:11:06 AM EDT
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Is it bad that i ordered a cp33 already even though it wont ship till may-june
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Posted: 2/2/2019 2:40:56 AM EDT
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I want to know where I can order mags for it.... Since my state has retards in charge that are going full retard (it's the kindest thing I can say about some of them.....). lol (only thing I can do is laugh) I will get the pistol latter. But better get the mags now.... dam this sucks..... I am a simple man, but..... How is this not infringing.... Anyone know who has CP33 mags for sale?
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Posted: 2/2/2019 3:34:28 AM EDT
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It's funny how opinions can change when you have time to think about stuff. I originally thought that the CP33 would be fun, and between the two products, it had all of my interest. But the more I think about it, the more loading 33 rounds of .22lr into a mag is going to seriously suck unless there's a genius way of doing it. Compare that to the mag loaders available for the typical 10 round stick mags, and those are probably easier to shoot high volume for a long range session. On the other hand, I saw no value in the KS7 at first. Now that I see the pricing, size, and weight of it, this could be a damn good alternative to those Shockwave things. |
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Posted: 2/2/2019 5:53:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I get the joke and all, but... do you know why it's such a common complaint that KT items are out of stock/hard to get? The demand is insane, and they produce a whole lot more than most people seem to realize. According to the ATF FFL manufacturer reports, KT's production numbers are some of the very highest in the nation for shotguns and pistols, and they're no slouch in the rifle category either. ETA: In 2016 (the most recent year with a complete Annual Firearms Manufacturing and Export Report available), Kel Tec produced 57,802 pistols, 10,003 rifles, and 29,329 shotguns. As an example, only Remington and Maverick made more shotguns. Kel Tec produced more than Beretta. 
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Posted: 2/2/2019 7:34:56 AM EDT
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https://i.imgur.com/RG0BS1U.gif So you just made my point. The guy doesn't really have a great track record. And you said it yourself, OVER-EXPANSION. That's piss poor planning/market research. |
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Posted: 2/2/2019 8:01:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: what shot guns does keltec make besides the fancy nbull pup |
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Posted: 2/4/2019 4:32:07 PM EDT
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Is it bad that i ordered a cp33 already even though it wont ship till may-june |
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Posted: 2/6/2019 11:23:37 PM EDT
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I'm glad to see the KS7 carry-handle is removable. I want to mount a red-dot. There's also a video of it shooting mini-shells with no issues (I assume it holds 12 like the KSG did in one tube).
I think the CP-33 REALLY needs a "brace"...as soon as FLUX or SB Tactical comes out with a brace, I'll be buying one for sure (assuming the gun and mags prove reliable). |
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Posted: 2/6/2019 11:39:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you maintain an average pace of 3 seconds per round, it will take 2 minutes and 30 seconds of non-stop loading to fill a mag. At 5 seconds per round, that time goes up to 4 minutes and 10 seconds.
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Posted: 2/6/2019 11:40:44 PM EDT
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Is it bad that i ordered a cp33 already even though it wont ship till may-june You pay full msrp then get a discount if they lower the price so $475 but i was about to drop that on a 22/45 or browning buckmark with a threaded barrel when i saw this then played with ot at shot show. 
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Posted: 2/7/2019 12:08:54 AM EDT
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I'm glad to see the KS7 carry-handle is removable. I want to mount a red-dot. There's also a video of it shooting mini-shells with no issues (I assume it holds 12 like the KSG did in one tube). I'm not a shotgun guy, and I don't think they're generally very useful guns, so (to me) they're not worth much investment. BUT! For $400-450 I'm very interested in this, and am very excited to get my hands on one- in 2-3 years when Keltec finally catches up with demand.
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Posted: 2/7/2019 12:54:27 AM EDT
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Did anyone ever figure out what was up with the KSG's absurd recoil, compared to its weight? That is some voodoo going on there.
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