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Posted: 3/18/2022 6:32:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How reliable? Never had a problem with mine...and glock mags is aplus |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 6:33:50 PM EST
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So... Keltec is on Russia's side?   |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 6:35:32 PM EST
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: just a guess bit they probably need the MP5s elsewhere . Also may have a lot of 9mm ammo and not enough guns. They probably have captured plenty 7.62 as of late and need something different They'll be capturing 5.45. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 6:43:34 PM EST
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I wouldn't buy one of those before this news, and I certainly won't ever buy one in the future. Same with every other virtue signaler out there. This quantity/quality of 'weapon' represents not even a pisshole in the snow and will probably lead to more casualties/deaths among the people yielding them, assuming they ever make it into the hands of any actual Ukrainian patriot fighting for their country.
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Posted: 3/18/2022 6:49:41 PM EST
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I wouldn't buy one of those before this news, and I certainly won't ever buy one in the future. Same with every other virtue signaler out there. This quantity/quality of 'weapon' represents not even a pisshole in the snow and will probably lead to more casualties/deaths among the people yielding them, assuming they ever make it into the hands of any actual Ukrainian patriot fighting for their country. That’s nice,nobody told you that you had to buy one  This isn’t “virtue signaling”,these are gun that were going to go to a Ukrainian distributor for their civilian market. They are being donated instead. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 6:51:19 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My Sub2000 is literally the LAST gun in my inventory I would trust in a life or death situation. It's a great range toy and is mostly reliable but no way I would bet my life on it. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 6:56:12 PM EST
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I did firearms training for four years, rifle, pistol, shotgun. Guess how many keltecs showed up during that years? One, a ksg, that couldn't make it ten rounds. Keltec = absolute garbage. So in 4 years you had one gun from a certain manufacture and you are basing the reputation off that sample size of one? |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 6:57:07 PM EST
[#8]
Nice.
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Posted: 3/18/2022 6:57:37 PM EST
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have a G1 Sub2k and it is NOT something I'd want to test in a war zone. Better than a sharp stick though, I guess.. I wonder what prompted Kel Tec to send them? Maybe 9mm is a lot easier to get ahold of in Ukraine right now than 5.56? I've never bothered with Kel Tec. They seem like flimsy junk. I never heard anything about this one being unreliable. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 6:58:15 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Send your gen 1 to them, pay $150 and they send you a gen 2 in whatever color, mag style/size with your gen 1 serial number on it. I felt the same way until I did what I explained above. The gen 2 has been phenomenal. The gen 1 I could fire around 75 shots and it would just fail to extract or fire. This gen 2 I'm on a little over 400 rounds without a single failure. I just added a light and the M.I. flip to side rail and put a little TRS25 on it to have some cheap fun. Been meaning to do that for awhile. My G1 is actually really dependable. It has a hiccup once in awhile, but rarely. It just doesn't seem robust enough to hold up to the inevitable abuse that would take place in a combat scenario. Soft steel, cheap plastic, etc. Maybe the G2 is really a lot better... |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 7:05:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Been meaning to do that for awhile. My G1 is actually really dependable. It has a hiccup once in awhile, but rarely. It just doesn't seem robust enough to hold up to the inevitable abuse that would take place in a combat scenario. Soft steel, cheap plastic, etc. Maybe the G2 is really a lot better... I was pleasantly surprised with it, I'd say more durable than the gen 1. Plus they made some upgrades to the chamber/feed ramp. Not saying I'd use it as my first choice in combat, but it does serve me as a hiking and truck gun. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 7:29:54 PM EST
[#12]
It’s the gun you use to get a better gun.
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Posted: 3/18/2022 7:37:57 PM EST
[#13]
Breaking News:
A C130 cargo aircraft loaded with donated firearms for Ukraine crashed on landing in Poland. The crew was unharmed. The aircraft and cargo burned and is declared a total loss. Reports state that the aircraft was fully loaded and possibly overweight. A representative of US firearms manufacturer Hi Point Firearms estimates the loss to the company at $1000 USD. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 7:42:25 PM EST
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sub2000 .40 Glock mag MasterRace. Super reliable and discrete in my experience. Good for Kel-tec! For the one's bitching, how many pallets of rifles have you sent? |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 7:51:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wonder what prompted Kel Tec to send them? Free "battle" experience without the need to win one of the impossible govt/military contracts from a first world nation? Seems like a win-win for them. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 8:02:59 PM EST
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Never had a problem with mine...and glock mags is aplus Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How reliable? Never had a problem with mine...and glock mags is aplus |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 8:19:56 PM EST
[#17]
I wouldn't want to use it as an offensive weapon but it's better than nothing in a last ditch defensive situation.
A RDB would be a better choice. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 8:27:32 PM EST
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Meanwhile their stuff is vaporware here.. I’d rather them have it right now. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 8:28:53 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Meanwhile their stuff is vaporware here.. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 8:30:12 PM EST
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's a Direct blowback metal pipe with plastic shit screwed onto it to make it look less like a taurus. It's probably the most reliable gun they make.   |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 8:31:12 PM EST
[#21]
Noice!
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Posted: 3/18/2022 8:31:12 PM EST
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll go out on a limb and say... these are fabulous weapons for partisans 'behind the lines' of the Russian invasion. They're small, they're effective... and if you get caught in your house with one, it's not a 'military issue' weapon. Think outside the box a little... don't give these to front line infantry, give them to that guy who's stayed behind at his house, calling in targets and intel. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 8:32:45 PM EST
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Think of the marketing angle. Own a Keltec, our guns went to war against the Russians. They will sell all they can make. Won't matter if they work or not. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 8:33:16 PM EST
[#24]
Lol, their factory is local to me and I won't buy one. I have friends from highschool that work there. Even they lol about the reliability of keltecs
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Posted: 3/18/2022 8:34:43 PM EST
[#25]
Isn't eastern Europe awash in AK's of some kind or another and Ukraine is able to give them out even to older female school teachers? Virtue signaling at it's finest.
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Posted: 3/18/2022 8:35:18 PM EST
[#26]
Those are gonna be prison guns I'm guessing
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Posted: 3/18/2022 8:38:48 PM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Think of the marketing angle. Own a Keltec, our guns went to war against the Russians. They will sell all they can make. Won’t matter if they work or not. Honestly if I was a company around the size of keltec that would be a great idea. If you can get your gun in pictures of war that will keep you selling that model for ever. Wait until the new call of duty or whatever video game uses it. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 8:51:24 PM EST
[#28]
Keltec is 10 miles from me; I own 2. P32 and PMR-30, both utterly reliable, though the PMR is a pain in the ass to load.
I've also owned a P11 that I gave my son, who shoots it regularly and a SUB-2K in .40 that I really like, but swapped it for a Hi-Point 10mm carbine that is also utterly reliable (mag capacity sux though).As for KT donating the guns, good on'em. They ain't whiz-bang tactical, but they'll get the job done. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 8:58:10 PM EST
[#29]
Someone tell Othias from C&R Arsenal.
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Posted: 3/18/2022 9:00:21 PM EST
[#30]
beats the fuck out of a Liberator and still accomplishes the same thing.
simple, reliable, easy to use, cheap, guerilla anti insurgency as fuck, especially with a simple suppressor. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 9:13:42 PM EST
[#31]
A gun that can folded in half and fits easily in a small pack would make an excellent resistance rifle. They should send 9mm subs and suppressors as well.
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Posted: 3/18/2022 9:52:19 PM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I didn’t think much of mine even as a range toy, but you’re right: this “carbine” makes even a poor old Sten gun look like a MP5. No way I’d want to go to war with that Keltec in any role whatsoever. You clearly don't know much about the history of the STEN or its magazines. In Indian service, they converted em to 20 rnd single stack mags b/c they were so unreliable. My SUB Gen 2 is my truck gun, shares mags w/ my 26. Works fine w/ my Form 1 can. Runs steel case out of a 40 rnd ETS mag. It's as simple and easy to fix as any blowback AR-9, but folds in half and can be concealed in a jacket. Sights are fine, it has an AR front post, or you can mount a red dot a half dozen different ways. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 10:14:50 PM EST
[#33]
stop being distracted
democrats are evil who are the democrats supporting this is all you need to know |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 11:15:06 PM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Keltec is 10 miles from me; I own 2. P32 and PMR-30, both utterly reliable, though the PMR is a pain in the ass to load. I've also owned a P11 that I gave my son, who shoots it regularly and a SUB-2K in .40 that I really like, but swapped it for a Hi-Point 10mm carbine that is also utterly reliable (mag capacity sux though).As for KT donating the guns, good on'em. They ain't whiz-bang tactical, but they'll get the job done. You have a rimfire 22 caliber magazine fed semiautomatic that is “utterly reliable”? I call BS regardless of manufacturer or model. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 11:18:55 PM EST
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Seems like HiPoint could make a handful of cheap handguns and carbines to send over there. Cheap doesn't always mean junk, hipoints are pretty robust from what I've seen in torture testing. As long as it shoots a bullet they are can be deadly. Kill a commie with a hipoint.
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Posted: 3/18/2022 11:42:55 PM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You have a rimfire 22 caliber magazine fed semiautomatic that is “utterly reliable”? I call BS regardless of manufacturer or model. My CMR-30 was utterly reliable w/ .22 WMR as long as I fed it 40 grns. I wanted to feed it 30 grns, and it did not like that, and the manual said the same thing. Maybe I'll get another to fiddle w/ someday, neat little carbine, very handy. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 11:48:04 PM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I guess they're better than nothing for handing out to civvies, but assuming most of the Russian troops are wearing body armor? |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 11:50:18 PM EST
[#38]
Unfortunately the bullpup 308 seems to not work well. Kel Tec is like Ruger minis, I like them in theory
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Posted: 3/18/2022 11:54:58 PM EST
[#39]
Meh, most of the Kel-Tec haters probably haven't owned one, much shot one.
I've got a Sub2k in 9mm and .40. Both have had zero problems. My CMR-30 or PMR-30 are problem free as well. Did have to send my M&P 45 back to S&W for service after it failed to fire more than twice in a row. Good on Kel-Tec for sending the gear and helping out the Ukrainians more than 99.9% of GD chestbeaters. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 11:57:57 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Meh, most of the Kel-Tec haters probably haven't owned one, much shot one. I've got a Sub2k in 9mm and .40. Both have had zero problems. My CMR-30 or PMR-30 are problem free as well. Did have to send my M&P 45 back to S&W for service after it failed to fire more than twice in a row. My KSG worked pretty well after a short break in My OG metal SUB2000 was a pretty nice rifle that worked great Haven't had much experience with the newer plastic ones |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 12:15:24 AM EST
[#41]
terrible for military applications, perfect for besieged civilians who need to do sneaky stuff and get AKs.
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Posted: 3/19/2022 12:22:26 AM EST
[#42]
I have a first gen sub2000. I haven't shot it that much but its never failed to go bang when I pulled the trigger. Sure beats a pointy stick.
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Posted: 3/19/2022 6:55:14 AM EST
[#43]
In before translation of Ukranian wielding keltec teabagging dead russian soldier chanting "Just as good"
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Posted: 3/19/2022 7:18:10 AM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Meh, most of the Kel-Tec haters probably haven't owned one, much shot one. I owned a gen 2 Glock mag carbine and literally gave it away. Prior to that my dad gave it to me because he didn't like it. To me the construction quality doesn't match the intended purpose. It's a stashable emergency weapon meant to be deployed when you most need it, however that thing is just about last on the list of guns I would trust my life to. Good on Keltec for donating, but let's stop with the allusions that they are somehow quality firearms. |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 7:24:45 AM EST
[#45]
Piece is shit rifle
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Posted: 3/19/2022 7:34:57 AM EST
[#46]
I had one in college. After 9/11 i put it in my backpack sith my books and would take it to school with me in case of some crazy shit.
Was handy amd reliable. Havent shot it in 15 years or more. |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 7:41:10 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Those are gonna be prison guns I'm guessing Any gun is a prison gun is a prison gun if your brave enough. |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 7:43:06 AM EST
[#48]
The 2 Keltecs I owned went back to them as I had constant fail to feed and eject, even getting them back they didnt run well. Id hate to be a Ukrainian on the front line with one.
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Posted: 3/19/2022 7:52:15 AM EST
[#49]
It would sure be nice for KEL-Tec to donate rifles to US citizen victims of illegal immigrant crimes.
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Posted: 3/19/2022 8:09:58 AM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It would sure be nice for KEL-Tec to donate rifles to US citizen victims of illegal immigrant crimes. Well i'm angry that they aren't donating rifles to my favorite amazon smile charity and the local boys field hockey team. I'm going to go ahead and assume you donated rifles to the victims of illegal immigrant crimes before expecting others to. That would go without saying, right? I swear, nothing is ever good enough. |
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