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Posted: 1/5/2023 10:41:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In for another day of embarrassment for our nation. Yes, we should keep the status quo Damn kids and their new fangled politics. Youll get the uniparty like we did and like it 
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Posted: 1/5/2023 10:42:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Remember his Meme? Elon is a leftist, just the left went psycho while he stayed the same. Elon was a lefty that got burned by his own. Now, he's just confused. He is at times, "my enemy's enemy". He likes to tweet shit like "take the red pill", but he needs to follow his own advice. |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 10:43:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Site the part that forbids it. I won't hold my breath either. https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artI-S3-C3-3/ALDE_00013347/ The more I look at this issue the more I think that it would require an amendment--so I will admit I was wrong. I still think term limits--3 terms tops is a good thing. |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 10:43:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not a budget. It was a funding bill. We haven’t passed a real budget in 20 years. There is a difference. Semantics... |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 10:47:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: FL has an eight-year term limits for Senators. Former members that hit thr term could be elected again after a two-year break. They traditionally run for another office and come back. So if Senator Joe Blow is termed out, he runs for County Dog Catcher and runs again for Senate and wins. Thus, he is the ranking lawmaker with time in office. Traditionally, they'll do their full allowed terms in the House, term out, run for Senate, term out, run for some high paying County Office, and run back for the legislature. Redistricting resets the clock, so if someone is elected in 2022 and they're around in 2030 when the next census happens and the districts are redrawn, BAM, clock is reset and they have another two terms they can run for again with no break. They build time and seniority in office thst way. State Reps serve two-year terms and can serve a total of four of 'em in one shot without a break. Senators serve four year terms, hence limited to two terms. Every two years, the Senate elects a new Majority Leader and a New Senate President. Dennis Baxley has been in office since 2010 and due to redistricting, the clock has been reset for him. He has another eight years he can be in office. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/122381/Screenshot_20230105_020419_jpg-2661041.JPG He's now Number 3 in the Senate due to seniority. He served 7 years, took a two year break, served another 6 years in the House, then did 6 in the Senate and due to redistricting, he has another 8, and if he sticks around for 2030, he'll get another 8 again. He's been in office since Bill Clinton was President. Again, term limits don't stop what you think it does. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: So, you say that Senate President isn't a separate elected position. Then does that mean they have to be elected in their district? Again, term limits don't stop corruption. Wilton Simpson became the Senate President because it was "his turn" since he was the "senior lawmaker" who was previously the Majority Leader. Just like McCarthy. Same with Galvano and Passidomo. In another thread, you said: Ego is a big problem with career politicians, especially ones that think they are "entitled" to the job. This fiasco is a "I'm in charge and you're not" kind of idiocy. He needs to get over himself if he wants to be Speaker. If he can't, then he'll never be Speaker. Guess what, term limits doesn't stop that. It accelerates it. Instead of 40 years, it is 8 years. OK, so if Joe Blow gets term-limited out from being elected in his district, by definition, he can't be Senate President any more. You see how this works? Term limits absolutely stops the kind of career corruption we see in DC. There wouldn't be a "ranking member" as all of them would be either on term 1 or 2. Redistricting resets the clock, so if someone is elected in 2022 and they're around in 2030 when the next census happens and the districts are redrawn, BAM, clock is reset and they have another two terms they can run for again with no break. They build time and seniority in office thst way. State Reps serve two-year terms and can serve a total of four of 'em in one shot without a break. Senators serve four year terms, hence limited to two terms. Every two years, the Senate elects a new Majority Leader and a New Senate President. Dennis Baxley has been in office since 2010 and due to redistricting, the clock has been reset for him. He has another eight years he can be in office. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/122381/Screenshot_20230105_020419_jpg-2661041.JPG He's now Number 3 in the Senate due to seniority. He served 7 years, took a two year break, served another 6 years in the House, then did 6 in the Senate and due to redistricting, he has another 8, and if he sticks around for 2030, he'll get another 8 again. He's been in office since Bill Clinton was President. Again, term limits don't stop what you think it does. So, they get two 4 year terms then they have to find something else to do (or 4 terms of 2 for your House). Some states have lifetime limits on Governorships. Seems like that would be a good practice to implement for legislatures, too. You only get 2 shots at the pig trough. Better hope you have an actual skill/business to fall back on once you're done. This was the idea of the Founders. Citizen legislators that go back to work after their "sentence" in the legislature was up. |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 10:50:06 AM EDT
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Very light on details and sourcing. I highly doubt this. |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 10:51:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In for another day of embarrassment for our nation. Oh bullshit. You're buying the MSM narrative. This is how it's supposed to work, not this selection by acclamation crap. This is only embarassing to Kevin McCarthy and the jackasses in the GOPe. |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 10:53:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s cute you think the politicians are running the show in DC. It has always been the staffers. The staffers shift around from R to D as it makes no difference to them. They know the game, they make the rules, the empty suit who gets elected is their vessel, term limits do not stop them. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Term limits absolutely stop that. That's the entire point of them. If they can't stay in a position very long, there is no climbing the ranks. There is no "I've been here for 40 years and am now the ranking member" of a committee. There is no time to set up a perpetual grift. All the things you're grousing about are the very things term limits prevent. It’s cute you think the politicians are running the show in DC. It has always been the staffers. The staffers shift around from R to D as it makes no difference to them. They know the game, they make the rules, the empty suit who gets elected is their vessel, term limits do not stop them. My observation of the staffers is they turn over a lot. Further, it's the politicians who have to secure the grift, er, funding from donors. Unfortunately, lobbyists meet with legislators, staff just listens in. And, when lobbyists meet with legislators, they usually bring a check with them. For their "reelection campaign", of course. 
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Posted: 1/5/2023 10:55:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
 Well, that certainly cut to the chase, didn't it? |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 10:56:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So, they get two 4 year terms then they have to find something else to do (or 4 terms of 2 for your House). Some states have lifetime limits on Governorships. Seems like that would be a good practice to implement for legislatures, too. You only get 2 shots at the pig trough. Better hope you have an actual skill/business to fall back on once you're done. This was the idea of the Founders. Citizen legislators that go back to work after their "sentence" in the legislature was up. We can send reps back home after 2 years, and senators back home after 6. |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 11:02:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I am enjoying it Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: In for another day of embarrassment for our nation. I am enjoying it |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 11:06:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So, they get two 4 year terms then they have to find something else to do (or 4 terms of 2 for your House). Some states have lifetime limits on Governorships. Seems like that would be a good practice to implement for legislatures, too. You only get 2 shots at the pig trough. Better hope you have an actual skill/business to fall back on once you're done. This was the idea of the Founders. Citizen legislators that go back to work after their "sentence" in the legislature was up. |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 11:07:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We can send reps back home after 2 years, and senators back home after 6. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So, they get two 4 year terms then they have to find something else to do (or 4 terms of 2 for your House). Some states have lifetime limits on Governorships. Seems like that would be a good practice to implement for legislatures, too. You only get 2 shots at the pig trough. Better hope you have an actual skill/business to fall back on once you're done. This was the idea of the Founders. Citizen legislators that go back to work after their "sentence" in the legislature was up. We can send reps back home after 2 years, and senators back home after 6. |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 11:08:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The more I look at this issue the more I think that it would require an amendment--so I will admit I was wrong. I still think term limits--3 terms tops is a good thing. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Site the part that forbids it. I won't hold my breath either. https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artI-S3-C3-3/ALDE_00013347/ The more I look at this issue the more I think that it would require an amendment--so I will admit I was wrong. I still think term limits--3 terms tops is a good thing. If you're going to hold the speakership hostage, at least ask for something of value the other side can give you. |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 11:11:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In for another day of embarrassment for our nation. Not only is he a phony, he's also incredibly stupid as evidenced by pushing through the $1.7 TRILLION omnibus (theft) package that effectively rendered the first year for the new speaker POWERLESS. And before you waste the effort typing it out, INVESTIGATIONS OF THE BIDEN FAMILY WILL BE NOTHING MORE THAN POLITICAL THEATER, if they happen at all. |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 11:12:01 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/5/2023 11:14:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh bullshit. You're buying the MSM narrative. This is how it's supposed to work, not this selection by acclamation crap. This is only embarassing to Kevin McCarthy and the jackasses in the GOPe. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: In for another day of embarrassment for our nation. Oh bullshit. You're buying the MSM narrative. This is how it's supposed to work, not this selection by acclamation crap. This is only embarassing to Kevin McCarthy and the jackasses in the GOPe. Come on man, politics should happen behind closed doors in secret. It's better for our country that way. |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 11:15:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryIt was funny the first time. Not so much the 17th time this is posted. |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 11:15:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So, they get two 4 year terms then they have to find something else to do (or 4 terms of 2 for your House). Some states have lifetime limits on Governorships. Seems like that would be a good practice to implement for legislatures, too. You only get 2 shots at the pig trough. Better hope you have an actual skill/business to fall back on once you're done. This was the idea of the Founders. Citizen legislators that go back to work after their "sentence" in the legislature was up. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: So, you say that Senate President isn't a separate elected position. Then does that mean they have to be elected in their district? Again, term limits don't stop corruption. Wilton Simpson became the Senate President because it was "his turn" since he was the "senior lawmaker" who was previously the Majority Leader. Just like McCarthy. Same with Galvano and Passidomo. In another thread, you said: Ego is a big problem with career politicians, especially ones that think they are "entitled" to the job. This fiasco is a "I'm in charge and you're not" kind of idiocy. He needs to get over himself if he wants to be Speaker. If he can't, then he'll never be Speaker. Guess what, term limits doesn't stop that. It accelerates it. Instead of 40 years, it is 8 years. OK, so if Joe Blow gets term-limited out from being elected in his district, by definition, he can't be Senate President any more. You see how this works? Term limits absolutely stops the kind of career corruption we see in DC. There wouldn't be a "ranking member" as all of them would be either on term 1 or 2. Redistricting resets the clock, so if someone is elected in 2022 and they're around in 2030 when the next census happens and the districts are redrawn, BAM, clock is reset and they have another two terms they can run for again with no break. They build time and seniority in office thst way. State Reps serve two-year terms and can serve a total of four of 'em in one shot without a break. Senators serve four year terms, hence limited to two terms. Every two years, the Senate elects a new Majority Leader and a New Senate President. Dennis Baxley has been in office since 2010 and due to redistricting, the clock has been reset for him. He has another eight years he can be in office. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/122381/Screenshot_20230105_020419_jpg-2661041.JPG He's now Number 3 in the Senate due to seniority. He served 7 years, took a two year break, served another 6 years in the House, then did 6 in the Senate and due to redistricting, he has another 8, and if he sticks around for 2030, he'll get another 8 again. He's been in office since Bill Clinton was President. Again, term limits don't stop what you think it does. So, they get two 4 year terms then they have to find something else to do (or 4 terms of 2 for your House). Some states have lifetime limits on Governorships. Seems like that would be a good practice to implement for legislatures, too. You only get 2 shots at the pig trough. Better hope you have an actual skill/business to fall back on once you're done. This was the idea of the Founders. Citizen legislators that go back to work after their "sentence" in the legislature was up. Mods, please ban the slow learners from this thread as promised. (Slow learner because you've been warned about continuing to derail this thread, not specifically because you think term limits are the answer.) |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 11:15:57 AM EDT
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What will we see today?
If the Freedom caucus doesn’t prevail? Well fuck it I don’t want be fuck it |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 11:29:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Mods, please ban the slow learners from this thread as promised. (Slow learner because you've been warned about continuing to derail this thread, not specifically because you think term limits are the answer.) Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: So, you say that Senate President isn't a separate elected position. Then does that mean they have to be elected in their district? Again, term limits don't stop corruption. Wilton Simpson became the Senate President because it was "his turn" since he was the "senior lawmaker" who was previously the Majority Leader. Just like McCarthy. Same with Galvano and Passidomo. In another thread, you said: Ego is a big problem with career politicians, especially ones that think they are "entitled" to the job. This fiasco is a "I'm in charge and you're not" kind of idiocy. He needs to get over himself if he wants to be Speaker. If he can't, then he'll never be Speaker. Guess what, term limits doesn't stop that. It accelerates it. Instead of 40 years, it is 8 years. OK, so if Joe Blow gets term-limited out from being elected in his district, by definition, he can't be Senate President any more. You see how this works? Term limits absolutely stops the kind of career corruption we see in DC. There wouldn't be a "ranking member" as all of them would be either on term 1 or 2. Redistricting resets the clock, so if someone is elected in 2022 and they're around in 2030 when the next census happens and the districts are redrawn, BAM, clock is reset and they have another two terms they can run for again with no break. They build time and seniority in office thst way. State Reps serve two-year terms and can serve a total of four of 'em in one shot without a break. Senators serve four year terms, hence limited to two terms. Every two years, the Senate elects a new Majority Leader and a New Senate President. Dennis Baxley has been in office since 2010 and due to redistricting, the clock has been reset for him. He has another eight years he can be in office. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/122381/Screenshot_20230105_020419_jpg-2661041.JPG He's now Number 3 in the Senate due to seniority. He served 7 years, took a two year break, served another 6 years in the House, then did 6 in the Senate and due to redistricting, he has another 8, and if he sticks around for 2030, he'll get another 8 again. He's been in office since Bill Clinton was President. Again, term limits don't stop what you think it does. So, they get two 4 year terms then they have to find something else to do (or 4 terms of 2 for your House). Some states have lifetime limits on Governorships. Seems like that would be a good practice to implement for legislatures, too. You only get 2 shots at the pig trough. Better hope you have an actual skill/business to fall back on once you're done. This was the idea of the Founders. Citizen legislators that go back to work after their "sentence" in the legislature was up. Mods, please ban the slow learners from this thread as promised. (Slow learner because you've been warned about continuing to derail this thread, not specifically because you think term limits are the answer.) Right now, we're waiting for the next session to see if anything has changed (new nominees, brokered deals, etc.). Until then, I'm okay with letting people discuss anything related/relevant so long as the conversation stays out of personal attacks. We should probably wrap up the term limit conversation before long, however, as neither side is convincing the other of much. |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 11:29:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What will we see today? If the Freedom caucus doesn’t prevail? Well fuck it I don’t want be fuck it FKM continuing to lose, can't wait . |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 11:31:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Regardless of the wisdom of the policy, which I doubt, do you think there is a path for a 2/3 approval in the House and Senate and 3/4 of the states for that amendment at this time? We have a house that is split between Captain Milquetoast for Speaker on one side and Let it Burn on the other. Amending the Constitution requires broad consensus, by design and that just isn't in the cards. If you're going to hold the speakership hostage, at least ask for something of value the other side can give you. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Site the part that forbids it. I won't hold my breath either. https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artI-S3-C3-3/ALDE_00013347/ The more I look at this issue the more I think that it would require an amendment--so I will admit I was wrong. I still think term limits--3 terms tops is a good thing. If you're going to hold the speakership hostage, at least ask for something of value the other side can give you. There is a path to a vote and putting everyone on record. |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 11:32:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Right now, we're waiting for the next session to see if anything has changed (new nominees, brokered deals, etc.). Until then, I'm okay with letting people discuss anything related/relevant so long as the conversation stays out of personal attacks. We should probably wrap up the term limit conversation before long, however, as neither side is convincing the other of much. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: So, you say that Senate President isn't a separate elected position. Then does that mean they have to be elected in their district? Again, term limits don't stop corruption. Wilton Simpson became the Senate President because it was "his turn" since he was the "senior lawmaker" who was previously the Majority Leader. Just like McCarthy. Same with Galvano and Passidomo. In another thread, you said: Ego is a big problem with career politicians, especially ones that think they are "entitled" to the job. This fiasco is a "I'm in charge and you're not" kind of idiocy. He needs to get over himself if he wants to be Speaker. If he can't, then he'll never be Speaker. Guess what, term limits doesn't stop that. It accelerates it. Instead of 40 years, it is 8 years. OK, so if Joe Blow gets term-limited out from being elected in his district, by definition, he can't be Senate President any more. You see how this works? Term limits absolutely stops the kind of career corruption we see in DC. There wouldn't be a "ranking member" as all of them would be either on term 1 or 2. Redistricting resets the clock, so if someone is elected in 2022 and they're around in 2030 when the next census happens and the districts are redrawn, BAM, clock is reset and they have another two terms they can run for again with no break. They build time and seniority in office thst way. State Reps serve two-year terms and can serve a total of four of 'em in one shot without a break. Senators serve four year terms, hence limited to two terms. Every two years, the Senate elects a new Majority Leader and a New Senate President. Dennis Baxley has been in office since 2010 and due to redistricting, the clock has been reset for him. He has another eight years he can be in office. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/122381/Screenshot_20230105_020419_jpg-2661041.JPG He's now Number 3 in the Senate due to seniority. He served 7 years, took a two year break, served another 6 years in the House, then did 6 in the Senate and due to redistricting, he has another 8, and if he sticks around for 2030, he'll get another 8 again. He's been in office since Bill Clinton was President. Again, term limits don't stop what you think it does. So, they get two 4 year terms then they have to find something else to do (or 4 terms of 2 for your House). Some states have lifetime limits on Governorships. Seems like that would be a good practice to implement for legislatures, too. You only get 2 shots at the pig trough. Better hope you have an actual skill/business to fall back on once you're done. This was the idea of the Founders. Citizen legislators that go back to work after their "sentence" in the legislature was up. Mods, please ban the slow learners from this thread as promised. (Slow learner because you've been warned about continuing to derail this thread, not specifically because you think term limits are the answer.) Right now, we're waiting for the next session to see if anything has changed (new nominees, brokered deals, etc.). Until then, I'm okay with letting people discuss anything related/relevant so long as the conversation stays out of personal attacks. We should probably wrap up the term limit conversation before long, however, as neither side is convincing the other of much. I'm not going to give the typical mod hate because I know it's a thankless, no win job. I will suggest, however, that mods don't make threats they aren't prepared to follow through on. |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 11:32:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's a bingo. Also, repealing the 16th wouldn't be bad either. Repealing everything after #10 is the way to go... |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 11:33:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not going to give the typical mod hate because I know it's a thankless, no win job. I will suggest, however, that mods don't make threats they aren't prepared to follow through on. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: So, you say that Senate President isn't a separate elected position. Then does that mean they have to be elected in their district? Again, term limits don't stop corruption. Wilton Simpson became the Senate President because it was "his turn" since he was the "senior lawmaker" who was previously the Majority Leader. Just like McCarthy. Same with Galvano and Passidomo. In another thread, you said: Ego is a big problem with career politicians, especially ones that think they are "entitled" to the job. This fiasco is a "I'm in charge and you're not" kind of idiocy. He needs to get over himself if he wants to be Speaker. If he can't, then he'll never be Speaker. Guess what, term limits doesn't stop that. It accelerates it. Instead of 40 years, it is 8 years. OK, so if Joe Blow gets term-limited out from being elected in his district, by definition, he can't be Senate President any more. You see how this works? Term limits absolutely stops the kind of career corruption we see in DC. There wouldn't be a "ranking member" as all of them would be either on term 1 or 2. Redistricting resets the clock, so if someone is elected in 2022 and they're around in 2030 when the next census happens and the districts are redrawn, BAM, clock is reset and they have another two terms they can run for again with no break. They build time and seniority in office thst way. State Reps serve two-year terms and can serve a total of four of 'em in one shot without a break. Senators serve four year terms, hence limited to two terms. Every two years, the Senate elects a new Majority Leader and a New Senate President. Dennis Baxley has been in office since 2010 and due to redistricting, the clock has been reset for him. He has another eight years he can be in office. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/122381/Screenshot_20230105_020419_jpg-2661041.JPG He's now Number 3 in the Senate due to seniority. He served 7 years, took a two year break, served another 6 years in the House, then did 6 in the Senate and due to redistricting, he has another 8, and if he sticks around for 2030, he'll get another 8 again. He's been in office since Bill Clinton was President. Again, term limits don't stop what you think it does. So, they get two 4 year terms then they have to find something else to do (or 4 terms of 2 for your House). Some states have lifetime limits on Governorships. Seems like that would be a good practice to implement for legislatures, too. You only get 2 shots at the pig trough. Better hope you have an actual skill/business to fall back on once you're done. This was the idea of the Founders. Citizen legislators that go back to work after their "sentence" in the legislature was up. Mods, please ban the slow learners from this thread as promised. (Slow learner because you've been warned about continuing to derail this thread, not specifically because you think term limits are the answer.) Right now, we're waiting for the next session to see if anything has changed (new nominees, brokered deals, etc.). Until then, I'm okay with letting people discuss anything related/relevant so long as the conversation stays out of personal attacks. We should probably wrap up the term limit conversation before long, however, as neither side is convincing the other of much. I'm not going to give the typical mod hate because I know it's a thankless, no win job. I will suggest, however, that mods don't make threats they aren't prepared to follow through on. Could you be specific? I'm not sure I've threatened anything other than to warn and boot people fighting over trump here. 
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Posted: 1/5/2023 11:35:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That is why I hope the current situation continues until January of 2025. The only downside is they can't investigate anything until this is done. Or impeach Brandon. |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 11:40:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Could you be specific? I'm not sure I've threatened anything other than to warn and boot people fighting over trump here. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: So, you say that Senate President isn't a separate elected position. Then does that mean they have to be elected in their district? Again, term limits don't stop corruption. Wilton Simpson became the Senate President because it was "his turn" since he was the "senior lawmaker" who was previously the Majority Leader. Just like McCarthy. Same with Galvano and Passidomo. In another thread, you said: Ego is a big problem with career politicians, especially ones that think they are "entitled" to the job. This fiasco is a "I'm in charge and you're not" kind of idiocy. He needs to get over himself if he wants to be Speaker. If he can't, then he'll never be Speaker. Guess what, term limits doesn't stop that. It accelerates it. Instead of 40 years, it is 8 years. OK, so if Joe Blow gets term-limited out from being elected in his district, by definition, he can't be Senate President any more. You see how this works? Term limits absolutely stops the kind of career corruption we see in DC. There wouldn't be a "ranking member" as all of them would be either on term 1 or 2. Redistricting resets the clock, so if someone is elected in 2022 and they're around in 2030 when the next census happens and the districts are redrawn, BAM, clock is reset and they have another two terms they can run for again with no break. They build time and seniority in office thst way. State Reps serve two-year terms and can serve a total of four of 'em in one shot without a break. Senators serve four year terms, hence limited to two terms. Every two years, the Senate elects a new Majority Leader and a New Senate President. Dennis Baxley has been in office since 2010 and due to redistricting, the clock has been reset for him. He has another eight years he can be in office. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/122381/Screenshot_20230105_020419_jpg-2661041.JPG He's now Number 3 in the Senate due to seniority. He served 7 years, took a two year break, served another 6 years in the House, then did 6 in the Senate and due to redistricting, he has another 8, and if he sticks around for 2030, he'll get another 8 again. He's been in office since Bill Clinton was President. Again, term limits don't stop what you think it does. So, they get two 4 year terms then they have to find something else to do (or 4 terms of 2 for your House). Some states have lifetime limits on Governorships. Seems like that would be a good practice to implement for legislatures, too. You only get 2 shots at the pig trough. Better hope you have an actual skill/business to fall back on once you're done. This was the idea of the Founders. Citizen legislators that go back to work after their "sentence" in the legislature was up. Mods, please ban the slow learners from this thread as promised. (Slow learner because you've been warned about continuing to derail this thread, not specifically because you think term limits are the answer.) Right now, we're waiting for the next session to see if anything has changed (new nominees, brokered deals, etc.). Until then, I'm okay with letting people discuss anything related/relevant so long as the conversation stays out of personal attacks. We should probably wrap up the term limit conversation before long, however, as neither side is convincing the other of much. I'm not going to give the typical mod hate because I know it's a thankless, no win job. I will suggest, however, that mods don't make threats they aren't prepared to follow through on. Could you be specific? I'm not sure I've threatened anything other than to warn and boot people fighting over trump here. Somewhere earlier in this thread the people bickering over term limits were warned to stop derailing the thread. I'm not going back through the entire history trying to find it, so my apologies it if wasn't you. |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 11:41:08 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The only downside is they can't investigate anything until this is done. Or impeach Brandon. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That is why I hope the current situation continues until January of 2025. The only downside is they can't investigate anything until this is done. Or impeach Brandon. Neither was ever going to happen. |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 11:42:02 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: FL has an eight-year term limits for Senators. Former members that hit thr term could be elected again after a two-year break. They traditionally run for another office and come back. So if Senator Joe Blow is termed out, he runs for County Dog Catcher and runs again for Senate and wins. Thus, he is the ranking lawmaker with time in office. Traditionally, they'll do their full allowed terms in the House, term out, run for Senate, term out, run for some high paying County Office, and run back for the legislature. Redistricting resets the clock, so if someone is elected in 2022 and they're around in 2030 when the next census happens and the districts are redrawn, BAM, clock is reset and they have another two terms they can run for again with no break. They build time and seniority in office thst way. State Reps serve two-year terms and can serve a total of four of 'em in one shot without a break. Senators serve four year terms, hence limited to two terms. Every two years, the Senate elects a new Majority Leader and a New Senate President. Dennis Baxley has been in office since 2010 and due to redistricting, the clock has been reset for him. He has another eight years he can be in office. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/122381/Screenshot_20230105_020419_jpg-2661041.JPG He's now Number 3 in the Senate due to seniority. He served 7 years, took a two year break, served another 6 years in the House, then did 6 in the Senate and due to redistricting, he has another 8, and if he sticks around for 2030, he'll get another 8 again. He's been in office since Bill Clinton was President. Again, term limits don't stop what you think it does. This is one local guy. FL isn't doing their term limits correctly & has to change the law. You need to limit them to 1 or 2 terms lifetime - after that they become ineligible to hold elected office... |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 11:42:48 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Repealing everything after #10 is the way to go...  The 12th, 13th, 14th, 15th, 19th, 21st, 22nd, 24th, 25th, 26th, and 27th are good. So, you want to repeal the ban on slavery? |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 11:44:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is one local guy. FL isn't doing their term limits correctly & has to change the law. You need to limit them to 1 or 2 terms lifetime - after that they become ineligible to hold elected office... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: FL has an eight-year term limits for Senators. Former members that hit thr term could be elected again after a two-year break. They traditionally run for another office and come back. So if Senator Joe Blow is termed out, he runs for County Dog Catcher and runs again for Senate and wins. Thus, he is the ranking lawmaker with time in office. Traditionally, they'll do their full allowed terms in the House, term out, run for Senate, term out, run for some high paying County Office, and run back for the legislature. Redistricting resets the clock, so if someone is elected in 2022 and they're around in 2030 when the next census happens and the districts are redrawn, BAM, clock is reset and they have another two terms they can run for again with no break. They build time and seniority in office thst way. State Reps serve two-year terms and can serve a total of four of 'em in one shot without a break. Senators serve four year terms, hence limited to two terms. Every two years, the Senate elects a new Majority Leader and a New Senate President. Dennis Baxley has been in office since 2010 and due to redistricting, the clock has been reset for him. He has another eight years he can be in office. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/122381/Screenshot_20230105_020419_jpg-2661041.JPG He's now Number 3 in the Senate due to seniority. He served 7 years, took a two year break, served another 6 years in the House, then did 6 in the Senate and due to redistricting, he has another 8, and if he sticks around for 2030, he'll get another 8 again. He's been in office since Bill Clinton was President. Again, term limits don't stop what you think it does. This is one local guy. FL isn't doing their term limits correctly & has to change the law. You need to limit them to 1 or 2 terms lifetime - after that they become ineligible to hold elected office...  |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 11:45:00 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It'll also create more retirees that will get lifetime retirement, medical and whatever-else benefits that are paid by Another thing that needs to change - you make them pay into FERS & a 401K - that's their only retirement - just like every other government worker. And they can pay for their medical after retirement, just like everyone else... |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 11:46:47 AM EDT
[#34]
Maybe just threaten to cut your hair!
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Posted: 1/5/2023 11:46:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s cute you think the politicians are running the show in DC. It has always been the staffers. The staffers shift around from R to D as it makes no difference to them. They know the game, they make the rules, the empty suit who gets elected is their vessel, term limits do not stop them. All unnecessary jobs that should be eliminated. Each party should have one secretary that operates the switchboard - everyone else should be fired. |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 11:54:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The 12th, 13th, 14th, 15th, 19th, 21st, 22nd, 24th, 25th, 26th, and 27th are good. So, you want to repeal the ban on slavery? Repealing it won't bring back slavery, it is an unnecessary amendment... |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 11:54:38 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 1/5/2023 11:55:00 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/5/2023 11:56:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OK, so if Joe Blow gets term-limited out from being elected in his district, by definition, he can't be Senate President any more. You see how this works? Term limits absolutely stops the kind of career corruption we see in DC. There wouldn't be a "ranking member" as all of them would be either on term 1 or 2. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: So, you say that Senate President isn't a separate elected position. Then does that mean they have to be elected in their district? Again, term limits don't stop corruption. Wilton Simpson became the Senate President because it was "his turn" since he was the "senior lawmaker" who was previously the Majority Leader. Just like McCarthy. Same with Galvano and Passidomo. In another thread, you said: Ego is a big problem with career politicians, especially ones that think they are "entitled" to the job. This fiasco is a "I'm in charge and you're not" kind of idiocy. He needs to get over himself if he wants to be Speaker. If he can't, then he'll never be Speaker. Guess what, term limits doesn't stop that. It accelerates it. Instead of 40 years, it is 8 years. OK, so if Joe Blow gets term-limited out from being elected in his district, by definition, he can't be Senate President any more. You see how this works? Term limits absolutely stops the kind of career corruption we see in DC. There wouldn't be a "ranking member" as all of them would be either on term 1 or 2. Mitch McConnell could resign today and he would still have control over almost everything that happens in DC. He has connections, appointed officials, appointed cabinet members, appointed judges, and personally knows every single high value donor. Ever here of the "Good Ole Boys Club"? It is real and it is how politics work. Some of the state level positions in Kentucky are term limited as well, yet Ryan Quarles who has strong connections with the state level establishment has been holding one office or another for over a decade and now he is running for Governor. The establishment, state or federal, gets their anointed people in power and they keep pushing the same agenda whether it is the same position or not. Ask yourself this: does a Commissioner of Agriculture meet with legislators, propose legislative changes to them, and speak at committee meetings? The answer is yes. At that point does it doesn't matter if they are legislator casting the vote or the one working with the legislators to draft the bill, the end result is the same legislative agenda and changes get passed. If someone is term limited after 8 years and hold 3 different positions then they have political power and influence for 24 years. That is a lot of people hired, people appointed, and connections with donors. The only thing term limits really does is create an opening for the people to become active and disrupt the establishment. But people actually have to become activists and push for changes and 99% of the time that is too much work for people. |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 12:03:58 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We can send reps back home after 2 years, and senators back home after 6. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So, they get two 4 year terms then they have to find something else to do (or 4 terms of 2 for your House). Some states have lifetime limits on Governorships. Seems like that would be a good practice to implement for legislatures, too. You only get 2 shots at the pig trough. Better hope you have an actual skill/business to fall back on once you're done. This was the idea of the Founders. Citizen legislators that go back to work after their "sentence" in the legislature was up. We can send reps back home after 2 years, and senators back home after 6. planemaker was responding to a FL state level specific post, not national... |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 12:12:49 PM EDT
[#41]
Kabuki theater at its most stupid!
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Posted: 1/5/2023 12:16:18 PM EDT
[#42]
Kevin McCarthy gave 46% of his votes to Nancy Pelosi in the last 6 years.
Nancy Pelosi gave 7% of her vote to Republicans in the last 6 years. |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 12:18:10 PM EDT
[#43]
I really have to wonder what kind of "negotiations" are going on behind closed doors. There's no telling what is being promised to end the stalemate. Some of that might be good, some probably won't be. If the 20 holdouts are serious, they'll keep holding out until McCarthy simply drops out of the race. Then the real fun begins.
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Posted: 1/5/2023 12:20:42 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: In for another day of embarrassment for our nation. Regarding the vote for Speaker: See how hard it is rig an election when there’s no drop-boxes and you verify the identity of everyone who’s voting? |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 12:22:10 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Regarding the vote for Speaker: See how hard it is rig an election when there's no drop-boxes and you verify the identity of everyone who's voting? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: In for another day of embarrassment for our nation. Regarding the vote for Speaker: See how hard it is rig an election when there's no drop-boxes and you verify the identity of everyone who's voting? |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 12:22:24 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Awesome Imagine if they could vote by mail for Speaker. The democrats would win and Fox and CNN would try to explain to us how having more votes than there are members of Congress is perfectly normal. And do you know what Mcarthy would do about it? Nothing. |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 12:25:35 PM EDT
[#47]
Quoted: Imagine if they could vote by mail for Speaker. The democrats would win and Fox and CNN would try to explain to us how having more votes than there are members of Congress is perfectly normal. And do you know what Mcarthy would do about it? Nothing. Jeffries would have 6,000 votes. |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 12:26:06 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/5/2023 12:26:56 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Somewhere earlier in this thread the people bickering over term limits were warned to stop derailing the thread. I'm not going back through the entire history trying to find it, so my apologies it if wasn't you. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: So, you say that Senate President isn't a separate elected position. Then does that mean they have to be elected in their district? Again, term limits don't stop corruption. Wilton Simpson became the Senate President because it was "his turn" since he was the "senior lawmaker" who was previously the Majority Leader. Just like McCarthy. Same with Galvano and Passidomo. In another thread, you said: Ego is a big problem with career politicians, especially ones that think they are "entitled" to the job. This fiasco is a "I'm in charge and you're not" kind of idiocy. He needs to get over himself if he wants to be Speaker. If he can't, then he'll never be Speaker. Guess what, term limits doesn't stop that. It accelerates it. Instead of 40 years, it is 8 years. OK, so if Joe Blow gets term-limited out from being elected in his district, by definition, he can't be Senate President any more. You see how this works? Term limits absolutely stops the kind of career corruption we see in DC. There wouldn't be a "ranking member" as all of them would be either on term 1 or 2. Redistricting resets the clock, so if someone is elected in 2022 and they're around in 2030 when the next census happens and the districts are redrawn, BAM, clock is reset and they have another two terms they can run for again with no break. They build time and seniority in office thst way. State Reps serve two-year terms and can serve a total of four of 'em in one shot without a break. Senators serve four year terms, hence limited to two terms. Every two years, the Senate elects a new Majority Leader and a New Senate President. Dennis Baxley has been in office since 2010 and due to redistricting, the clock has been reset for him. He has another eight years he can be in office. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/122381/Screenshot_20230105_020419_jpg-2661041.JPG He's now Number 3 in the Senate due to seniority. He served 7 years, took a two year break, served another 6 years in the House, then did 6 in the Senate and due to redistricting, he has another 8, and if he sticks around for 2030, he'll get another 8 again. He's been in office since Bill Clinton was President. Again, term limits don't stop what you think it does. So, they get two 4 year terms then they have to find something else to do (or 4 terms of 2 for your House). Some states have lifetime limits on Governorships. Seems like that would be a good practice to implement for legislatures, too. You only get 2 shots at the pig trough. Better hope you have an actual skill/business to fall back on once you're done. This was the idea of the Founders. Citizen legislators that go back to work after their "sentence" in the legislature was up. Mods, please ban the slow learners from this thread as promised. (Slow learner because you've been warned about continuing to derail this thread, not specifically because you think term limits are the answer.) Right now, we're waiting for the next session to see if anything has changed (new nominees, brokered deals, etc.). Until then, I'm okay with letting people discuss anything related/relevant so long as the conversation stays out of personal attacks. We should probably wrap up the term limit conversation before long, however, as neither side is convincing the other of much. I'm not going to give the typical mod hate because I know it's a thankless, no win job. I will suggest, however, that mods don't make threats they aren't prepared to follow through on. Could you be specific? I'm not sure I've threatened anything other than to warn and boot people fighting over trump here. Somewhere earlier in this thread the people bickering over term limits were warned to stop derailing the thread. I'm not going back through the entire history trying to find it, so my apologies it if wasn't you. I don't think that was me. I don't even think it was a mod. |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 12:28:35 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't think that was me. I don't even think it was a mod. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: So, you say that Senate President isn't a separate elected position. Then does that mean they have to be elected in their district? Again, term limits don't stop corruption. Wilton Simpson became the Senate President because it was "his turn" since he was the "senior lawmaker" who was previously the Majority Leader. Just like McCarthy. Same with Galvano and Passidomo. In another thread, you said: Ego is a big problem with career politicians, especially ones that think they are "entitled" to the job. This fiasco is a "I'm in charge and you're not" kind of idiocy. He needs to get over himself if he wants to be Speaker. If he can't, then he'll never be Speaker. Guess what, term limits doesn't stop that. It accelerates it. Instead of 40 years, it is 8 years. OK, so if Joe Blow gets term-limited out from being elected in his district, by definition, he can't be Senate President any more. You see how this works? Term limits absolutely stops the kind of career corruption we see in DC. There wouldn't be a "ranking member" as all of them would be either on term 1 or 2. Redistricting resets the clock, so if someone is elected in 2022 and they're around in 2030 when the next census happens and the districts are redrawn, BAM, clock is reset and they have another two terms they can run for again with no break. They build time and seniority in office thst way. State Reps serve two-year terms and can serve a total of four of 'em in one shot without a break. Senators serve four year terms, hence limited to two terms. Every two years, the Senate elects a new Majority Leader and a New Senate President. Dennis Baxley has been in office since 2010 and due to redistricting, the clock has been reset for him. He has another eight years he can be in office. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/122381/Screenshot_20230105_020419_jpg-2661041.JPG He's now Number 3 in the Senate due to seniority. He served 7 years, took a two year break, served another 6 years in the House, then did 6 in the Senate and due to redistricting, he has another 8, and if he sticks around for 2030, he'll get another 8 again. He's been in office since Bill Clinton was President. Again, term limits don't stop what you think it does. So, they get two 4 year terms then they have to find something else to do (or 4 terms of 2 for your House). Some states have lifetime limits on Governorships. Seems like that would be a good practice to implement for legislatures, too. You only get 2 shots at the pig trough. Better hope you have an actual skill/business to fall back on once you're done. This was the idea of the Founders. Citizen legislators that go back to work after their "sentence" in the legislature was up. Mods, please ban the slow learners from this thread as promised. (Slow learner because you've been warned about continuing to derail this thread, not specifically because you think term limits are the answer.) Right now, we're waiting for the next session to see if anything has changed (new nominees, brokered deals, etc.). Until then, I'm okay with letting people discuss anything related/relevant so long as the conversation stays out of personal attacks. We should probably wrap up the term limit conversation before long, however, as neither side is convincing the other of much. I'm not going to give the typical mod hate because I know it's a thankless, no win job. I will suggest, however, that mods don't make threats they aren't prepared to follow through on. Could you be specific? I'm not sure I've threatened anything other than to warn and boot people fighting over trump here. Somewhere earlier in this thread the people bickering over term limits were warned to stop derailing the thread. I'm not going back through the entire history trying to find it, so my apologies it if wasn't you. I don't think that was me. I don't even think it was a mod. It was me I just asked people to stop the thread sliding. Dont taze me, bro! |
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